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Bill Gross: Enjoy The Santa Rally - The Hangover Is Coming As "US Is Not An Island"
Just tweeted from the bond titan who is getting more and more concerned about those asset management fees in a world in which fixed income is increasingly becoming risk free, courtesy of central planning, until Gresham's law unwind destroys everyone.
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Bill Gorss is confused, bitchez
Ron Paul's Secret Weapon: US!!!!!!!
http://djia.tv/ron-paul/ron-pauls-secret-weapon-us-lets-do-this/
The Bernank just tweeted back to Gross.
@Gross
This rally might last through tomorrow, but I have a feeling it's a big head fake. Could be wrong, which is why I'm holding off on placing any bets. Maybe it lasts all week, but when it shows signs of exhaustion, load the puts because the next leg down is going to be a sight to behold.
Record cold winter ?
And the PIMPCO chief knows this, how ? Does Gross have access to material insider information at the Old Farmer's Almanac ?
would guess one should look for S&P 1260 (likely tomorrow?) and retest of 200dma before placing a bearish bet (if so inclined)???
Hey, we're talking about the weather, here.
Maybe Gross has an inside line with the HAARP kids?
does gross have inside info? no dipshit his info is all publicly disclosed, like everyone else that manages a trillion dollars...
vxbhai, he is talkiing sarcastically about the solstice and the almanac that marks such things for farmers...
ori
sorry...i sit corrected...
Maybe he just read the Shape Of Things To Come Report by Clif.
It did mention similar themes, once you get past (the babbling) and [the brackets] after every four words.
Hope you're right - but market not based on reality - DOW 12800+ by end of year -
Obama ain't going down easy
You could be right, but I doubt it. If you are right, what a great opportunity to get in position for the next leg down. Only thing to do is stay nimble and let the rally play out.
haha awesome
Soooooo, what is the ZH cynic brigade going to say when Bill Gross says Solstice is upon us?
Aiieeeeee, it's the work of the devil pagans.....
See, billionaires follow such stuff. Assiduously actually.
And yes, the storm IS already here, we are just in the eye.
or eye
/re-capitulation-collaboration/
His twat "followers" are sure to slit the throat of a goat tomorrow in the name of the all mighty money tree
Blood of the earth, blood for the earth. Rather strange.
And for all the literalist christians out there, Jesus was not a real person. HE never walked upon the earth.
Google astro-theology
Google Jordan Maxwell
Google Santos Bonnaci
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology
I can ASSURE you your world will NEVER be the same again.
Caveat Emptor. Bound to blow your mind.
you can thank me later.
ori
You forgot to Google "Horus" and "pagan mystery religions" ;-)
Indeed. Fro an image of Horus, from my terrace, please see:
http://aadivaahan.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/dsc00009.jpg
Well, here's the thing, ORI: There were many men back then who claimed to be prophets. The biblical Jesus is a composit of them, litterally or figuratively, take your pick.
What matters most is what was done to those teachings of the prophets, by the Establishment. When you read the bible, you must note the wisdom. Yet there is a lot washed out, missing, and some things put in that don't belong. Personally, I think it is best to take religion with a grain of salt, but there is still much to gain from the biblical stories.
Stories and myths, after all, seem to be all we have left in this mad world.
All too true Mr. LH.
Please check out
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology
I can assure you of a paradigm shift in your thinking.
ori
Naw, I'll pass on clicking onto any of your links, freakshow.....
Looks like you are yet to step out of the mental basement jcaz. And that was for LH anyways.
It's okay, sleeping through life works well for some people.
ori
It is not yet too late for your poor lost soul.
And congratulations...I think you found the Zodiac killer.
Oh, go fire up a cow patty and fry yourself some locusts you freak.
@ORI Since you seem to (1) like stars and (2) have an open mind, spend a little bit (from amazon) and check this out...http://www.bethlehemstar.net/
I can see how applying mathematics to our universe, solar system, and own cycles of the planet is a waste of time. /sarc
Very valuable comment you posted as well...
yes links are scary terrorist devices...
The first ever mention of Jesus completely outside the Bible in secular history is by a Roman historian who was in Jerusalem in the 60's A.D, around 30 years after the time Chistians believe he died on the cross. The reference was to an execution of someone listed as a family member who refused to recant his adherence to Jesus as the Messiah.
Many more such executions start showing up in secular history around this time, as does the founding of the early church. A time when people who would have remembered Jesus in person were sill alive.
So some went to their deaths refusing to recant, and others built a church all around a composite?
Thank you.
Hope this is later already. HeHeHe.
I think he's trying to say that our (US) darkest days are just around the corner.
Technically... The solstice is the point where things start going the other way... So in this instance, the "darkest days ahead of us reference would only apply to the Southern hemisphere...
Just saying...
That's my understanding as well.
Unless he's referring to the next two days, after that the days get longer.
did u say loooonger? thats good for my xmas appetite, give unto others;...like a long drawwwwn swig of pinot noir.
But the light returns only on 21st march. Till then, the Sun is still technically in the Darkness for the Northern Hemisphere.
Spring Equinox is the time to celebrate.
This is the time to hibernate.
Let the bulls have at it.
ori
Bulls? You mean fish ;)
Jesus, I wish your mother hadm't given you a keyboard for your birthday. Typing is so much easier than thinking; and then there's studying reality, oh; perish the thought.
It will start getting lighter after December 21st (shortest day of the year). ORI - you know this, c'mon
It doesn't sound like he thinks that the macro-gloom will begin to lift by the day after tomorrow.
It's just the winter solstice, it's the marker for the end and the beginning of the cycle of nature.
If you are a new age pagan though it pretty much could mean anything from barnacles on boats to bad markets.
The Tribe ain't goona allow equities to crash during their 8-days of magic and lights that begins at sundown tonight
They love spilled blood. Haven't you read their book?
Around the corner??? only problem w/ that reference is that it's a circle and that darn corner always does seem just out of reach...PTB will decide time and place, no need to worry our pretty little heads bout this....
Yes, tomorrow will indeed be a long and dark day.
The red arrow folk do not know basic planetary dynamics it seems.
Tomorrow IS the darkest day, the longest night.
oreye
Tell that to the penguins in Antarctica...
now he's just talking his book. unfortunately, he's now about as credible as any other talking head on TV.....actually, it's worse - he's a contrary indicator.
That is OK because Bill Gross is dead on. China lurks. Kyle is also dead on when said that the idea was to import products but not import the wages. Well, that was a big boo-boo now wasn't it?
Billy Boy talking his book again!!??
Somebody's treasuries are hurting!
Who is this?
Bill sounds manic. I can see him in his room smoking a huka, laughing hysterically about the end of the Fiat Ponzi, clutching his stamp collection.
Great image, thank you!
His Bosses back in Munich, Germany, should've fired him a while ago!
hahahahaha that is an awesome comment.
Far too much credence being given to Billy by ZH recently
Bill is working it out, albeit slowly
He has been telling like it is (albeit a watered-down version) for a while now. He missed the Treasury trade this year, but for the right reasons, he was just very early.
You don't know the power of the dark side!
Gross is right.
cramer creamed in his shorts this morning. This is a mirage with tinsil and ribbons.
CNBC is fun to watch when we have these huge gap up runs in the market. It is like financial porn what with Cramer and Pissani having literal orgasms on the air! Wonder when we'll see the money shot?
"US Is Not An Island"
But I thought most banana republics were, in fact, islands...
you mean confusing, don't you?
Short USTs, then long USTs. Short MBS, then long MBS. Short cash, then long cash. His fund has under performed the market every turn for over a year. Now he is basically giving up, and twatting more than Kimmy K. about it.
Senile ole man...
dup
"Prepare 4 record cold winter"
Half your firewood and half your hay,
should still remain by Candlemas Day.
Thanks, Ralph. Reminded me I need to order some more firewood.
Solstice? Where is that psychic who said we'll have an apolcolyptic event on the solstice?
That was me. I turned the tarot cards and came up with darks day ahead.
Everyone else just interpreted it.
Still think I will be proven right.
Rally indeed. Seems no matter the news, those October lows just sit there like a line in the sand.
Sand. Good analogy for how firm this market's foundation appears to be.
Thanks Bill for the Merry Christmas!
And when I attended the PIMCO meeting recently, I told you that housing starts would continue to sink. Well, HERE YOU GO!
1 Unit Housing Starts Actually FELL -11.25% in November NSA, Not Rose
http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com
"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." -- James A. Garfield, President of the United States
"Odie, let's talk effort versus return here. You know, you can still lead a pointless life without all that running around." -- Garfield the cat
Bill "Insider" Gross talks counter to his hole cards.
/springs his new position, just in the nick o time/
Well !! what a smart dude. In hindsight he had it right in his hand.
/what a bluffer!/
actually he's a fluffer, just like Uncle Warren.
You have it wrong. Munger is the fluffer.
lol, for his nice Uncle.
Warren goes down on high in the City.
the market is mostly HFT noise. You have no idea when bots will pull liquidity, or withdraw liquidity to ETFs, pushing markets lower.
ICI data indicates retail are getting out of equities. So it's mainly bots & whales playing for pennies in front of a steam roller, which if it comes, retails get wiped out, but whales & bots get bailed out.
http://www.marketanthropology.com/2011/12/rabbit-run.html
Makes you think doesn't it?
It sucks to have to do stuff like thinking.
Granny: Why don't you think?
Jethro: I tried it once. It hurts!
Did i miss something ? Dow up 300 because of Santa Clause ?
I thought the US was a waffle iron.
Gold and oil getting ramped right back up.
Screaming cotton candy rally in equities; either short covering or building apartments because people can't buy is a good thing.
I'd like to know when these rallies stop.
We had the ridiculous down-up-down-up in August, massive rally in October (supposedly normally the worst month of the year), the worst Thanksgiving week since the 1930s followed by a massive rally the following week, and now a 360 point move up from last night's low just before the close.
DavidC
What's old is new again
The market is bullshit.
Fuck em.
No, market is reality.
It's justice, law, and equality that are bullshit.
The market is reality if your reality is dropping a hit of acid every 4 hours after downing a pint of whiskey. It decoupled from reality in 08. Now it is the banksters manipulating the sysem to give themselves as much time as possible before the inevitable. It is inevitable.
We've been waiting for the inevitable a long time... it's always right around the corner...
TPTB can keep the farce going a long time. Longer than you think.
It's not going to be "ahhh, here's the disaster we've been waiting for and expecting!!"
What's coming? Who really knows?
What a worry wart Bill is. "Everything is fine" I just heard on CNN ...
...right before I saw the police gunning down a few dozen protesters in Cairo....also on CNN...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-20/bankers-join-billionaires-to-debunk-imbecile-attack-on-top-1-.html
"Gee, we've got to defend ourselves against these attacks! I mean, sure some of us are crooks and creeps, but gosh and golly, most of us are pretty darn nice when you get to know us. Not that you ever would, mind you."
there is no way today's rise in the US equities market has to do with that phony read between the lines and you'll understand this is not news headline about housing. Christ this is exhausting some days.
@PIMCO
SPREAD FEAR, BONDS PRICES RISE, ERGO I DO WELL.
SUCKAHS. BILL.
All this market manipulation just to save BAC from the sub-$5 stigma. I still think she lost her virginity yesterday, and there is no getting that back.
As I understand it, the excuse for the ramp is that banks can borrow unlimited money from ECB. Good thing the world does not already have a debt problem!
Where are you hiding Mr. S&P? This market has all the craziness that folks know something nasty is coming.
Perhaps someone here (more skilled than I) could do an overlay plotting the market this year against the mood swings of an average person suffering from bipolar disorder? Is there a correlation?
In a similar vein, has anyone noticed whether or not the amplitude of the market's mood changes is becoming larger? Is the frequency becoming higher? Or is it 'depressed' so to speak?
that's an extremely complicated data set, and even semi-solid numbers would be subject to scrutiny.
this is assuming you weren't being facetious.
I did liquidate a tad today to get ready for the Apocalypse.
Has the Fed and Banking Cartel Attacked Iran's Central Bank?
If I wanted to follow Bill Gross on Twitter...I would follow him on Twitter. WTF Tyler?
isn't it obvious people in these positions tweet only to run interference?
The last Gross tweet I remember was in July when he predicted treasuries would collapse once QE2 ended. He's a smart guy, but timing the market isn't his strong suit.
The last Gross tweet I remember was in July when he predicted treasuries would collapse once QE2 ended. He's a smart guy, but timing the market isn't his strong suit.
Well, QE2 never did end, its been extended under the table like mad since then when they could not announce QE3, but did it anyway in secret.
SAY IT WITH ME...HOPIUM HOPIUM HOPIUM!!!!!!!!!!
You can't beat the market. BAC above $5, FAZ Down 11%. The market says "Screw You, Merry Christmas, Bitches!"
need a christmas rally, ffs. christmas is the most sacred corporate holiday of the year; you don't fucking acknowledge any bears, or reality, on this holiday. Things must be on on the up because people expect it.
Things will continue until it breaks--catastrophically. There'll be more than just pain, then.
PIMCO is TBTD (Too Big To Dance)....a law of gravity has blown up their business model.
Q: Who the fuck writes this stuff for Gross?
Like, does he sit on his ass composing these tweets all day?
Or somebody does it for him?
Do they need his and Mohammed's approval?
Who even thinks anybody who tweets deep financial thoughts is erudite, informed and insightful?
It's bush league.
While this guy and his firm are suppposed to be in the Majors.
It disgusts me that anyone couild be so pompus to assume that their professional opinion is worth a tweet.
Cognative dissonance personafied, a truly Qzymandic moment.
I don't listen to men with bad comb overs. If he can't accept the reality that he's going bald how can anyone accept the reality of his judgements regarding the markets?