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Umm...if you want to identify the end of the gold bubble, you only need to look at one thing...
i'm not looking for the end of anything...i am a student of market history, and i enjoy this corner immensely...as i enjoy thales' corner...and vanderbilt's...
France is about to demand payment from Libya for the "liberating costs". They are going to rape the Libyan people just like they raped Haiti:
Sarkozy wants to take Gadaffi's gold. Then stage a faux sale while everyone knows who the buyer will be.
Tank prices and buy at firesale prices at the same price is what NATO had in mind.
The problem is, the vaults were found empty.
If Lybian gold is put on the market the Chinese soverign wealth fund will buy it instantly... Just as they tried to buy the 210 tons of IMF gold that was sold off a year or so ago to India.
Whatever amount of physical is brought to market now will be purchased instantly with Ts or FRNs that the East has accumulated in abundance.
Am I seeing this properly?
A drop from $133.5/oz at 02.35pm to $34/oz at 02.36pm (a 75% drop in a minute when the US govt 'dumped' its gold holding)
Crash? Open at 150 close 133 ?
30 or 40 trades. Talk about a thin market. Talk a out a pants full of balls risk on/off market those days were.
Lol. No HFT back then. Nice chaulk
Remember: Eric Sprott tried to buy TONS of gold from the IMF for his gold fund and the IMF outright REFUSED to sell it to him. There are too many players in the market looking to buy bulk physical (not paper) when physical is available.
I don't think that you are looking properly; from 2.36pm all the way to the close it quite clearly trades between $33 AND $34 (why would they not write the '1' before 33/34 on all those quotes when they have done so for the rest of the day)?
To save time when re-re-re-re-re-writing it as the price dived.
You'll note that they only do the short-hand when the quotes are within minutes, but they take the time to write it out otherwise.
10 - 11:30a +8% (150 -> 162)
11:30a -> 4p -17% (162 -> 134)
Oops, back to chart school for me.
I am not sure that they are using shorthand and dropping the handle.
Note in the morning that it goes from 150 to 50.
So is the actual crash from 160 go 130's?
"If Lybian gold is put on the market the Chinese soverign wealth fund will buy it instantly... Just as they tried to buy the 210 tons of IMF gold that was sold off a year or so ago to India."
(India Bought it at about $1070)
At what price? $2000/oz are you kidding? Do you think they are
Check this out: "Gold mining in the People's Republic of China has recently made that country the world's largest gold producer. For the year 2007, gold output rose 12% from 2006 to 276 tonnes (or 9.7 million ounces) to become the world's largest for the first time -- overtaking South Africa, which produced 272 tonnes."
They are largest producer of Gold and they are Communists, basically
they can nationalize industry in the split second
If they need to, (but I'm sure they have a deal with Gold industry
to capture Gold at production + reasonable profit %)
and have all Gold
at production costs, Russia have lot's of Gold as well (They noway
paying Market price),
traders and speculators buying this at huge premium.
Regardess of what they can get out of the ground, if you were a Chi-Com leader, and held 3,000 billion FRN dollars of US debt ($3T), wouldn't you be chomping at the bit to dump a lousy 135 of those billions for Moomars's Au?
Not a reader, huh?
Might I suggest you read the sticky? Price in dollars doesn't matter to an entity trying to DESTROY the dollar by buying gold.
No, they are not dumb...unless you think protecting (if not speculatively inflating) the price of an asset that they can nationalize at will is dumb.
France is about to demand payment from Libya for the "liberating costs".
France is about to demand payment from Libya for the "liberating costs".
Excuse me sir but you have to ajust your vocabulary. It's Sarkozy who demand payment, not France.
Sarkozy does not represent France. The French were never asked if they agreed with this war that they pay with heavy taxes and none of them will profit of the libyan gold. To tell the truth, if the Anglo-american cartel was not backing the dwarf, the French people would have kicked him out of the office a long time ago.
What's stopping them from kicking him out? Are they afraid of being invaded?
I second this thought ! the French since the Lisbon and the Maastricht Treaty CAN'T say a damn thing about anything anymore...until we get down in the streets, but that won't happen before people get hungry ! and angry
Sarkozy does not represent France. The French were never asked if they agreed with this war that they pay with heavy taxes and none of them will profit of the libyan gold.
Grossly stupid claims to make.
Sarkozy does represent the French. The French operate under the same political philosophy as US citizens.
Sarkozy is not an autocratic leader. He is empowered by the french popular will who have consented to deleguate their power in mattering questions to him.
Sarkozy as the french president has declared and waged war in Libya on the behalf of the French people. Sarkozy is just a civil servant working for the French people, doing what the French want and desire. The French people's responsibility is committed in the Libyan war.
So states the US political philosophy.
Ahmeexnal is an agent of Sarkozy, who in turn is an agent of the international zionist consipracy that sent the jewish workers home on 9/11 before ramming two empty planes intothe towers while they stole the gold from ft. knox and replaced it with tungsten.
really, meexy, take the tin foil off your chimney and get out once in a while
Sounds like the Romans, who used to force vanquished peoples to pay the cost of the Roman armies which invaded and vanquished them. That was usually part of the "treaty". For instance, it was part of a treaty Rome imposed on Carthage, which was right next door to Libya.
Tank prices? Tank prices?! Let's take a closer look and start bidding:
now who could have taken all that gold from the vaults?
Let's go find it! FOR LIBYA!
thats the sign of a bubble in blue pill world.
LULZ. Clearly neither of you read the article.
i posted a link under the china gold article 3 hours ago...thanks for playing
That would be my guess as well. Things are very different than 1980 or 1869.
Besides, who sees high real interest rates coming? Not for a long time.
You don't have to stay at the All Inn either. Holding 10% in gold is better than 98% of Americans... Holding 20% might make you RICH.
The end of the price rise of gold is far far away. Get some while you can!
When the dollar is no more and we go to Civil War II, gold will be "worth" whatever you can barter it for. Might be a lot. Might be almost nothing. One thing for sure, lead's going to be worth a whole hell of a lot more. W/o it, you will be dead.
What makes you think the end of the USD will result in Civil War II or a Mad Max scenario?
Because that'S what happens when people are ruined and believe they are still entitled to everything they were promised to... medicare, medicaid, social security, pensions... all of that will be GONE.
Entitled people who got cheated are mad dogs.
The world runned during milleniums before the USA and will continue to do so after the US empire collapse.
I've got some reservations about your use of the plural form, but I'll add a question... How many world killing technologies had to be maintained at the time of the last destruction of the world's reserve currency?
"Entitled people" have lived their lives sheltered and nestled without a care in the world. They are sheep, and will be consumed when they panic and run into the streets and start bleating loudly. They have no guns, bullets, or a backup supply. They will be shorn and sent to the butchers.
I envision two conflicts back to back.
The first will be the crazed 'entitled sheep' who take to the streets.and demand their bread and circuses. They will topple local governments (especially big cities) and the clueless politicians who run them. Eventually they will run out of easy and defenseless institutions to loot. The 'movement' will burn itself out as resources become increasingly scarce and they die off.
The second will be between the hardened federal government (now a martial law dictatorship) and the independent people who survive. These independent people are the those who still have resources and the ability to generate resources. The federal government will not tolerate anyone who doesn't willing surrender their resources for the 'rebuilding effort' which mainly is a war effort attacking independent people in order to preserve the failing federal power structure.
Oh good. For a moment there I thought we were in trouble.
I have the Pb thing covered too.
and I pray it doesnt come to that, for these are fellow americans, i just hope they wake up...
Having gold and supplies will not be enough to make America a nice place if it comes to that.
But, not much is being talked about by our .gov that inspires any optimism or confidence.
Green for you X.inf.
sad, but true, I dont think this story is going to end with "And we lived happily ever after"
p.s. green back at you.
I agree, just remember you can't eat Au, Ag, or Pb on brass....(I've got mine) if you can swing it, it doesn't take a huge farm to feed yourself. If we don't go Mad Max, fresh food is yummy. Iif you can't do that, develope a relationship with someone who has excess growing capacity. I want as many smart, prepared people around as we can. My dream would be to have some theif banker who horded a truckload of gold playing the game show up and aquire said gold for the scraps of my excess production.
An old farmer once told me: "In the end, mother nature has a way of exacting her own revenge." I've found no other insight to ring so true.
Hedge from all angles, my brothers.
. . . it doesn't take a huge farm to feed yourself
. . . it doesn't take a huge farm to feed yourself
Indeed. I recommend "Square Foot Gardening" by Mel Bartholomew.
Yeah, that's the book that got me started, lo, several decades ago when all I had was a backyard in suburbia. Highly recommended.
My garden gets ruined regularly by weather "events", and sometimes varmints when we don't watch well enough (boxes and milk jugs over plants when we get a warning). That's why you get extra seeds, make provision for watering (I haul from the creek), and plant extra seedlings in the starter/greenhouse to recover from that kind of thing. Farming isn't easy, but it is possible. You just have to accept that it's not automatic, and a re-do is required now and again.
One of the benefits of a rural lifestyle is that for example - I have next year's food, or most of it laid up as excess from the hobby farm. I have next year's heat already stocked in the form of a mountain of firewood. I don't depend on anything external for those. Wheras when I was a city boy, I had none of that, and didn't get the heat bill (or the electric for the AC) until I'd already "spent" the resource, and was dependent totally on a possibly shaky income to keep playing the game. Everything was completely dependent on the actions of other humans who didn't care if I lived or died, and society as a whole had to "work" for the electricity and gas to be available.
Now, all I need is the sun for the electricity. And this isn't because I thought the sky was falling -- it's just a better lifestyle that feels better every day, whatever the rest of the dumb humans are up to. I found city life to involve dealing with too many of the turds of humanity, here my neighbors are more or less at the other extreme.
Friends helping friends vs dog eat dog -- no contest, in my mind. I'll never go back.
The drought and hailstorm this year destroyed my garden. What the hailstorm didn't kill in one day, the 2 months without any rain took care of. Farming isn't easy.
That's the problem...many...most?...are NOT "fellow Americans" and I'd prefer them gone.
Last night I heard a CNBC World host asking a precious metals analyst;
Q: When do you know gold is in a bubble?
A: When you hear every CNBC guest is now recommending people buy gold.
Yeah, like that'll happen.
You've got a situation in Greece where the entire history of their civilization is being taken over by bank robbers.
well, at least the greeks have Luke, the riot dog.
We in the US must immediately address this riot dog gap.
The way our planet came into being is not our fault.
You are not to blame.
very true, mike. but that gives me very little comfort thinking about the PAIN, SUFFERING, and AUSTERITY ( i.e. to pay back a debt I didnt agree to incur), that the aveage american is dealing with, or will, very soon. It breaks my heart....and they will watch it collapse, and well be luckly to survive it. Its to the point that how one prepares now will determine how bad you suffer. But all will suffer. What did the average american do to deserve this? Theyre not sheeples, they are americans, who didnt deserve this....
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