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Sun, 12/04/2011 - 02:00 | 1943279 Teamtc321
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Na, I think I will stay right here. I also firmly believe in our constitution. 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:24 | 1942947 philipat
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It's fun winding folks up!! I was actually attempting a "Vote down" record and am doing quite well.

There is a serious point though. In the most famous case of DC versus Heller, SCOTUS made a narrow decision with the following dissenting opinion:

In a dissenting opinion, joined by Justices David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Stephen Breyer, Justice John Paul Stevens said:

The (Second) Amendment’s text does justify a different limitation: the “right to keep and bear arms” protects only a right to possess and use firearms in connection with service in a state-organized militia. Had the Framers wished to expand the meaning of the phrase “bear arms” to encompass civilian possession and use, they could have done so by the addition of phrases such as “for the defense of themselves”.
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:39 | 1942989 reescher
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You probably do real well in a pub on a saturday night.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:56 | 1943192 UP Forester
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Must be a Chica-metrosexualville-go lawyer.  They don't do too well in bars up here during snowmobile season....

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:40 | 1942993 CompassionateFascist
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2 Jews, 2 Cosmic WASPs. Figures.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:47 | 1943006 dwdollar
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"state-organized militia"

Whose ass did they pull that from? It reads:

"well regulated militia"

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:52 | 1943020 FeralSerf
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They pulled it from their hats, of course.  That bunch doesn't like citizens with firearms.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 02:15 | 1943295 CrockettAlmanac.com
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"well regulated militia"

And in this case "regulated" means well trained in the use of arms.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 15:10 | 1944462 SilverRhino
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Actually well regulated meant well functioning back then.

A brand new corvette is a well regulated sports car.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:04 | 1943070 KK Tipton
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"Had the Framers wished to expand the meaning of the phrase “bear arms” to encompass civilian possession and use, they could have done so by the addition of phrases such as “for the defense of themselves”.

Like these "dissenting" pukes could have done a better job of writing the Constititution?
They lack the education.

Supreme arrogance on display.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:11 | 1943089 VelvetHog
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The right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Pushing Your Red Arrow.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:54 | 1943187 DaveyJones
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and if it wasn't a dissenting opinion, you might have some authority there

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 08:49 | 1943561 nmewn
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I call complete bullshit.

"It's fun winding folks up!! I was actually attempting a "Vote down" record and am doing quite well. There is a serious point though."

You know how I know this new statement of yours is bullshit?...from your first statement...

"In most countries this is known as the military."

Any Supreme Court judge or commenter (like you) who offers an opinion citing another countrys laws or norms as an avenue to interpret our law and rights should be dismissed out of hand as a dangerous globalist sock puppet.

Ruth Bader Ginsberg does this shit almost constantly...drives me up the wall. No other country or organization has or should have influence over our domestic laws & rights.

Now lets all sing kum-fucking-bayah.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:01 | 1943891 g speed
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Lying pile of back peddling shit--You ment exactly what you said-- Typical lib/commie-- love of state over all.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:25 | 1942954 reescher
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philpat is stuck at -80. it won't let me vote him down anymore. anyone else?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:33 | 1942974 Rome is burining
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Yes "armed militias" ..... to fight the government..... if they ever become tyrannical or oppressive, which we know is a rediculous notion!  It's not like OUR government would ever do something rediculous like suspend our constitutional rights and give the President unilateral authority to declare one of our citizens a terrorist and then deny him a trial or anything silly like that!!!!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:38 | 1942986 Simple.Machine
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Saying the 2nd amendment is not an individual right is like saying the first amendment only applies to professional reporters and the media. How many of the other rights listed in the Bill of Rights are not individual rights?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 02:17 | 1943296 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Rights denoted in the tenth amendment accrue unto either the people or the individual states.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:49 | 1943011 Teamtc321
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Get the fuck out you troll. "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:02 | 1943066 VelvetHog
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The Supreme Court in all its corporations-are-people-too corruptitude doesn't agree with you, dawg.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:14 | 1943094 DoChenRollingBearing
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Well philipat, as far as I know you now have the record!

+ 1 and -120

 

Signed,

An Armed Bearing

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:33 | 1943141 fuu
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MDB has had well over -250.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:21 | 1943105 Bananamerican
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did Philipat set a ZH record?

i bought a "muthafuckin glock" 19...

if it's good enough for the fuzz it's good enough for me

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:35 | 1943148 San Diego Gold Bug
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philipat Fool,

  Do you know how many retired military people there are in this country, The Great USA, that own guns?  Can you say Springfield M1A .308 with special Night Force night vision scope (500 yards in the dead of night is nothing)!  It is our right, one of the things that has made us great and help provide not only our freedom but the freedom of others (many of us died saving Europes ass from hitler).  hitler took away the guns and look what happened!  Maybe you should just stay inside and let us continue to do the heavy lifting for you!

A Patriot

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:35 | 1943150 xtop23
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Your words have the ring of a lawyer for the Obama administration sir.

You didn't perchance attend Columbia did you? 

Saul Alinsky is your God.

FIN~

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 01:29 | 1943193 DanDaley
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This is easy to clear up.  The Bill of Rights (the 1st 10 Amendments to the Constitution) protects INDIVIDUAL rights AGAINST the government...all 10 of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights do this, not just one or two of them.  The 2nd Amendment is one of those rights of INDIVIDUALS against government infringement.  Got it?

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself."  George Washington

"Americans have the advantage of being armed -unlike the citizens of other countries countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." (James Madison -author of the US Constitution- The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244)

Looks Madison is right, and you are wrong. 


Sun, 12/04/2011 - 01:06 | 1943211 trav7777
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that's contrary to the interpretation of like every legal or historical scholar around...thanks for setting them all straight, moron

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 01:35 | 1943253 joshua10
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>>"Here we go again. Actually, the US Constitution does NOT give the right to individuals to bear arms. What it actually describes is the right of the people to establish "Armed militias". In most countries this is known as the military."<<

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Here we go again is exactly correct. I get so tired of correcting this half-ass backward argument. In the US, militias and the military are two completely different groups. Militias are under civilian control, military is under state or federal government control. Take notice of the exact wording of our 2nd Amendment above. No where does it say the militia must be regulated by the federal government or even the state. It says the militia is necessary for a FREE STATE. What ever powers are not specifically delegated to the federal government or the state are reserved exclusively for THE PEOPLE and shall not be infringed.

It is our right and duty to keep and bear arms and the ultimate security of the State is dependent upon the People being armed in order to defend the nation, the Constitution, and each other from all threat within and without.

In most parts of the socialist dominated cradle-to-grave welfare world that is sucking on the tit of the government, this concept is completely alien.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 14:02 | 1944317 sun tzu
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You are actually stupid enough to think that the Second Amendment was put there to give the this country the right to have a military? All the rights in the Constitution are individual rights you fucking retarded statist Nazi pigs. 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:32 | 1944726 DosZap
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philipat

You must be a Liberal, FAR  left.

The Const, nor the BOR guarantees it.

It just puts it in writing.

Natural Law guarantees it.

Man has a God given inherent right to self preservation, and that of his family.

The BOR's just makes it CLEAR,the government cannot infringe on the right (already inherent thru Natural Law) a citizens/sovereigns right to own them.

 

Militias are the PEOPLE. Anyone can form a citizens Militia,(train,drill, and practice, have a chain of command, and be ready for whatever comes.)

The standing Army has ZERO to do with a Militia. Militias were formed as groups to be able to  OVERPOWER the Military,if it became onerous.

Originally the standing army, could not exceed 100,000 men.

What grade are you in, and are you American?.

PS: Before you bring it up, the National Guard is NOT the Militia either.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 22:20 | 1942820 brew
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guns, gold and a getaway plan...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:55 | 1943036 FeralSerf
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What about girls?  It can get pretty cold and lonely in that cave.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 00:59 | 1943196 Lednbrass
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In that kind of scenario if one has weapons, food, and security the notoriously short sighted American females will be a dime a dozen.

Or perhaps more accurately a bowl of beans a dozen...

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 02:19 | 1943298 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Make that a pre-1965 dime a dozen.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 12:11 | 1943926 San Diego Gold Bug
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Check comparesilverprices website...just found it for best silver prices in the US.  No 90%  but a good site for prices.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:02 | 1944772 DosZap
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San Diego Gold Bug

Nice listing for the NOOB, but sure not the best prices.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 07:24 | 1943512 prole
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And your assets well positioned in a diversified MFGlobal account.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 10:11 | 1943643 peekcrackers
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Gold , Guns , GASMASK, getaway plan

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 22:41 | 1942862 navy62802
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We got fun and games. We got everything you want.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 11:23 | 1943758 covert
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this is a wonder sign of hope for the future, beware of sudden jihad syndrome.

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Sun, 12/04/2011 - 15:06 | 1944454 DosZap
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"Deputy Assistant FBI Director Jerry Pender said the checks, required by federal law, surged to 129,166 during the day, far surpassing the previous high of 97,848 on Black Friday of 2008." And in reality, the number is likely far greater: "The actual number of firearms sold last Friday is likely higher because multiple firearms can be included in a transaction by a single buyer.

These numbers ars so far off it's a joke.They cannot even factor in Dealer purchases for stock, OR Permit holders, as they do not have to be NICS Checked.

The number is like 10-20x's that, if not more.

And the FBI does not track actual gun sales."

No, the ATF does illegally.

I have seen it with my own eyes,more than once.(actually saw two ATF agents doing an audit, get removed from the store they were auditing.

WHY?,they were skipping pages and writing down only buyers of all AR 15 clones.The owner confronted them, they told him to do his job, and they would do theirs, and leave them alone.

He promptly called the Dallas Office, and told the head nagga what they were doing,and he wanted them OUT of his store IMMEDIATELY(as they were breaking the law,two to be exact), within 30 mins 2 new agents replaced them.

Since when did the Feds do anything LEGAL.

Maybe, if they get caught red handed.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 21:53 | 1942761 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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America likes gunz more than ever, bitchez

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 22:55 | 1942888 Bansters-in-my-...
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America like gunz more than Bitchez,ever.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 21:53 | 1942762 SilverIsKing
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Guns make the perfect stocking stuffers.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 21:55 | 1942766 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The guy in the pic looks like he is aiming at his wife.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 22:48 | 1942871 navy62802
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Yeah, he looks homicidal ... about to pop that melon.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 22:34 | 1942845 MachoMan
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You joke, but I was seriously considering giving all the male in-laws ar 15 stripped lower receivers for christmas...  Instead, I picked up 2 for myself...  couldn't pass up the $49.95/pop deal at palmetto state armory.  Nothing says christmas like assembling your own ar 15... 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 22:51 | 1942879 WaterWings
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Get 'em the pistol lowers. Concealable 5.56!!!

100 yards ain't as easy, but you're not likely to need it that far in a pinch...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:01 | 1942906 JohnG
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Those are NATO 5.56mm.  Don't make the common mistake of firing .223...can destoy the weapon, and half your face.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 23:21 | 1942922 Broken_Trades
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You're an armorer?

You can shoot .223 remington in a NATO chambered 5.56mm rifle all day long and not worry about a thing.

Supposedly you can't use 556mm in a .223 chambered rifle due to the higher pressures and longer chamber in 556.

If you're really worried , you can always buy a rifle chambered in .223 Wylde

 

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