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The Black Friday Shopping Hangover Is Coming: David Rosenberg Explains

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Last week, while the market was soaring as news of the upcoming Fed's FX swap lines was being leaked, the general media's narrative goalseeked to the stock spike was that it was a function of "record" Black Friday sales. Alas, as often the case, there is some unpleasant fine print to go alongside this seemingly bullish proclamation. David Rosenberg explains why the shopping bonanza hangover is coming, and why, just like in the cash for clunkers case, it means that a late November shopping record means an imminent plunge in retail traffic...as soon as the bills come in.

Hangover Coming

 

Credit card usage was quite rampant on Black Friday — it outstripped cash and debit-card payment by more than a two-to-one ratio. But when the bills come in early in the New Year, look for a bit of a consumer pullback — another risk to the Q1 outlook (especially if we wake up on December 17th and realize that Congress has recessed without extending last year's tax goodies into 2012 — see House G.O.P. Is Divided On Extension of Payroll Tax on page All of the Saturday NYT).

 

Despite all the hoopla over Thanksgiving, total chain store sales only came in +3.2% YoY in November, which was light versus consensus expectations and far slower than the 5.5% pace of a year ago. Volumes may have been blown out, but the retailers cannibalized their margins with the widespread promotional activity (Have a look at In Bargain Aisle, a Squeeze on Margins on page Cl of today's WSJ). Not only that but one-third of the retail universe missed their sales targets last month. And guess what item was the hottest seller in the post-Thanksgiving sales rush? Try ... hand guns: a record 32% YoY pace (to 129,166 — based on FBI background checks). All of a sudden, being a bank teller or gas station attendant just became a tad less safe.

 


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Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Seditious Blasphemer
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Bullish for Bullets and Bomb shelters.

"And guess what item was the hottest seller in the post-Thanksgiving sales rush? Try ... hand guns: a record 32% YoY pace (to 129,166 — based on FBI background checks)"

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Rainman
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....understated number....street mutts don't do no background sheet.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:22 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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The main reason for the bleak retail outlook post Black Friday is that my wife untypically only charged half the max limit on her credit cards.    

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:46 | Link to Comment txsilverbug
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This is news?

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:42 | Link to Comment CPL
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So what happens on a dead retail christmas?  Chew that as bubble gum for the mind, make a plan and trade on it.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 20:25 | Link to Comment CClarity
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Had to run out to Best Buy and Office Max this afternoon.  Both were dead.  I mean really dead.  No lines at all.  Normally there are lines even during non holiday times.  And it wasn't because there were so many clerks manning the check out counter.  I think a lot of people blew their wad on Black Friday and the rest of the season will be slower than expected.  Or my anecdotal experience in an anomaly.

So much for ConsumerMas.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 20:37 | Link to Comment andybev01
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I went to Office Max on Saturday around 2pm, prime shopping time frame.

This store is in Mountain View, Ca, on the border of Los Altos (if you know the area, this isn't exactly economically depressed).

Same scenario, parked at the door and had the attention of every sales person...of which there were 4.

Spooky stuff right there.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 21:10 | Link to Comment CClarity
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Exactly!  I was in Pleasant Hill, and while not as robust as the Los Altos area, most of the shoppers are from Lamorinda and tony Walnut Creek, so certainly not depressed and very electronic saavy and consumptive.

Thank you for mentioning the parking situation.  That probably blew me away the most.  Typically, not holiday time, I still have to drive around and wait for someone to leave a parking place.  Just like you said, there were far more empty places than occupied.  I pulled right up front on the side of all the empty handicapped slots. 

This is not what our retail market mavens want known.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment J 457
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Interesting, I'm also in Nor Cal not far from you and the mall stores were absolutely packed.  Ate late lunch at 2:00 and nearly every seat taken.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 00:43 | Link to Comment Stack Trace
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My wife and I went to the mall last week to get a battery for my frill. The mall was a ghost town. Mind you it was 4 in the afternoon on a Friday but still...the place was so empty we thought it might be closed when we pulled up. BTW I live in Dallas... Most shopping malls per capita.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Let them eat iPads
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Hand gun Friday!

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Nothing real here
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What was the credit card to debit/cash ratio last year during the Black Friday period?  Wtihout that, I don't know if that statement is meaningful, even as I agree with the conclusion. 

 

 

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:48 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Hangover?

More gin and credit cards!

Everything is fine!  Really!

People don't need jobs to buy stuff, that's what debt is for!

Just ask the CONgress and Fannie/Freddie and the ECB and the FED and BOA and the IMF!

More debt!  More spending! More liquor and mind altering substances!

Party on!!!

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment MrBinkeyWhat
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The unhappy truth is you are 100% on target.  Me: got my "special equipment" long ago, so not buying in the now under heavy scrutiny. The only purchases I even consider are "junk silver"...and beef jurkey.

Gotta love the Deep South...Bitchez!

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:21 | Link to Comment Crisismode
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The Deep South is not the kind of place you want to live in.

 

It is indeed ugly, in form, shape, and substance.

 

Get thee hence from that pit of hell.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:49 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Deutsche Bank Sued for Billions Over Fund’s Currency Losses
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-05/deutsche-bank-sued-for-billi...

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Yossarian
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I use my credit card for everything- and I have zero debt and substantial liquid assets.  I pay it off at the end of every month.  Maybe it's the result of another less alarming trend...

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Fedophile
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You'll have to wait a month for the November G19 to find out.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 20:15 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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Isn't it nice to know that your credit card company knows everywhere you have shopped? I like the anonymity of cash. No one needs to know what I buy or where I buy it.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:26 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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you got a phone on ya - well they got ya tagged with a wireless bracelet

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:36 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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Correct but the old Captain Kirk communicator wasn't quite that sophisticated. Plus they can tell I was there but not what I bought if anything or how much I bought.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:47 | Link to Comment jonjon831983
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Dammit now they know all the porn sites and toy shops I've been to.

Too bad the ho down the street doesn't take plastic.

 

jk.

 

but, yea nice how points cards also collect this info and sell it out.

 

Credit cards are just soooo damned convenient though if you have the cash to pay it off.  I use CC's for everything as low as I can go and the shops would allow.  Deferred payment ftw.  Collect my 1.5% interest while I wait.... and possibly end up consuming more because of the convenience.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment john39
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speaking of guns... some in the gun world have cast a worrisome eye at the fact that a new york capital group has been steadily acquiring gun manufacturers.  some believe that the entity is a Soros front:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/04/BUJ91M4HL0.DTL&ao=all

kinda makes you wonder...

 

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 05:03 | Link to Comment saiybat
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They plan to make money off of demagoguery after seeing all the cash that was made after the Obama scare. Buy used to discourage fear mongering. You can expect this Freedom Group with the help of the NRA to be behind an even bigger scare in the near future. Guns are a bull market. They might go as far as getting some politicians to propose gun ban legislation and then killing it knowing it wouldn't get passed anyhow. If that were to happen price would skyrocket especially in private sales. My guns go up in value every year mostly due to inflation. If you buy used at under or close to the value of the gun there's money to be made in it. In either case guns are a good store of value especially if you're strapped for cash. There's not much speculation so they won't lose value unless a huge shipment of military surplus comes on the markets which is unlikely to happen.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Troll Magnet
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time to go do my part and pick up another dime bag.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Scalaris
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Really? But how is it not possible, that one night's credit-purchased iPads, helped to fix the economy?

Perhaps the numbers were mixed with the amount of McChickens bought with food stamps that night. It happens.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:55 | Link to Comment grid-b-gone
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"Being a bank teller or gas station attendant just became a tad less safe."

This is an irresponsible statement. The FBI NICS check on those 129,166 adds much assurance that solid citizens bought the guns. The secondary gun markets, shows and private sales, are much more likely to be a source of questionable sales. Actually, with 45% of housholds owning guns, theft is a greater source still.

The NICS check usually only goes through same-day or quickly when a social security number is on the 4473 form. This ties the gun's serial number directly to the buyer.

I know the line was only thrown into the article for its desired effect, but it was a little irresponsible, or shows a lack of knowledge about the process.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment Let them eat iPads
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I buy all my guns through the secondary markets.

Craigslist has an excellent selection.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:17 | Link to Comment JohnG
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Hotter than a two dollar pistol.....

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:27 | Link to Comment hannah
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i call bullshi.t.....craigslist doesnt list real guns for sale...least not in my area.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Crisismode
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He was bullshitting you, and

 

just yanking your chain.

 

Ignore the pissant.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:11 | Link to Comment Chuck Walla
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Hell, the ATF is responsible for thousands of guns in criminal hands. So, who's watching them if they are supposed to be watching us?

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 18:58 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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19% of Americans with a 401K plan have taken out a loan against it. 

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment grid-b-gone
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And U6 unemployment is about 19%, too. I'll bet those charts correlate well, or maybe with a 99-week offset.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:05 | Link to Comment Rainman
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Looks like a lot of upside left for this ATM tool

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:25 | Link to Comment Crisismode
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 Only 19% ???

 

I'm very surprised it is that low.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:03 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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i am already down for predicting the largest dollar volume of returned merch in history between the 26th and the Rose Parade [or the Macy's New Year's Day Parade if they're still in business]

i hope we don't have any stories of how people had a few cocktails and decided to check out their new firearms...unless they go outside, of course...

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:26 | Link to Comment Crisismode
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I'm betting the handguns will not be returned.

 

Nor the ammo.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Thunder_Downunder
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"All of a sudden, being a bank teller or gas station attendant just became a tad less safe."

 

Pfft! Everyone knows that handguns have only 3 uses:

 

1. Self defence

2. Recreation

3. Disciplining the Missus

 

NRA, A-OK?

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:08 | Link to Comment txsilverbug
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Four uses..

Don't forget that the ATF and DOJ can buy them and put them in the hands of mexican cartels to increase the body count along the border.  They they can get congress and senate to enact more gun laws for our own good.  Had this plan went through without a hitch, we would be in for a world of hurt.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:52 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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Be careful with that last one, it seems that most of the new handgun owners are the Missus...  they shoot back! lol

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I can tell you that my wife and her friends got everything on black Friday for Christmas. I can't speak for all of them but I know my wife won't be spending any significant amount of money between now an Christmas. As for me everything was bought on line. My suspicion is there are a lot more people out there that have done the same.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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ditto for my wife.......ditto for me ......done and done !

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment IndicaTive
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---------------procrastinating.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:11 | Link to Comment ItsDanger
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I usually use a credit card for most purchases, dont own a debit card.  Im not sure if that measure is reliable, Id need to see more stats on that topic.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Victor Berry
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Don't forget about the credit card bills coming due over the next several months that the likes of GE Money offered with zero percent interest rates for 12- and 18-months.  You know, the interest-free credit cards which jump to 29.99% interest retroactively if the balance is not paid in full.  There's gonna be some unhappy proles when they see their credit card statements with big lumps of additional money owed!

Anyone interested in a low-paying job working in the customer service departments of the blood-sucking leeches like GE Money?  Not me, no matter how good the corporate health insurance is! 

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:13 | Link to Comment JohnG
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The Simpsons episode where Homer get's hired as a conveinece store clerk:

Pakistani accent....

 

"And remember, as a clerk, your WILL be shot [rips open shirt], I wear these bullet hole scars as a badge of HONOR!!"

 

Be safe all you new shooters.....I'll stay in the house.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Harrison
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What sort of retarded nonsense is this about "All of a sudden, being a bank teller or gas station attendant just became a tad less safe"? Who do you think bought the guns? Does the insufferable Canadian jackass think that gang members go to a retail store and submit to an FBI background check in order to obtain their guns?

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:32 | Link to Comment Crisismode
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He does think that.

 

Because, as you said, he is a complete asshole.

 

Enough said.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:28 | Link to Comment f16hoser
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.....but, but, "They" said this years Black Friday "Crushed" last years black friday. Did they lie to us again?????

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:37 | Link to Comment Thunder_Downunder
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No, no. Calm yourself. Take your pills and go sit in the corner. Dr Phil will be on any minute now.

 

:P

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:48 | Link to Comment Mr. Lucky
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According to that blond bubble head on abc that's exactly what happened.  "Could this be the spark that ignites the economy" LOL

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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So, American's went into debt to purchase vast amounts of products from China, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan.  That's bullish for America, huh? 

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment non_anon
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blast from 2009

uncle sugar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LcYZxGdY8U

 

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 20:02 | Link to Comment Iconoclast
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"Turnover vanity, profit reality"..the discounts we're seeing in the UK are unbelievable, desperate stuff, presumably the scuzzie shops are paying their Bangladeshi suppliers fractions of buttons ATM ;-(

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 20:15 | Link to Comment Tater Salad
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"All of a sudden, being a bank teller or gas station attendant just became a tad less safe."

With all due respect Rosie, criminals don't go through background checks to buy hand guns.  This is good 'ol fashioned Americans that are now VERY concerned with the future social fabric of this country.

I would have supported the record gun sale record but I'm full up on guns and munitions!

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 20:15 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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Try ... hand guns: a record 32% YoY pace (to 129,166 — based on FBI background checks). All of a sudden, being a bank teller or gas station attendant just became a tad less safe.

Or, in some areas, one would argue they just become MORE safe (by buying guns themselves).

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 20:21 | Link to Comment PapSmear
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Jammies bitchez

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Savyindallas
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Handgun friday is more like it. But don't forget saturday sales. I went to the gun show in dallas on saturday. it took me 20 minutes to park. I had to walk a half mile. maybe 5,000 people were there. my son bought a shotgun. i bought some ammo and  berkey water filtration unit. The survivalist industry owes a fortune to Obama  -not that mcCain would have been any better.   Nazi parapernalia was selling well too  -go figure.  Go ron Paul !

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 22:48 | Link to Comment Sk84life
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comon hangover?  really?  All these people got airline miles and cash back?  this is sooooooooooooo much better than using cash!  Think of the payoff later when people there ther $50 checks in the mail and fly next summer!  Obviously you guys havent thought this through.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:08 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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If you're going bankrupt why not max out the credit cards first?

Actually, going heavily into debt is a smart move if you're expecting high inflation.... spend now pand pay off your debts with inflated money (assumiong that you have a way to pay off your debt).

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 23:29 | Link to Comment PulauHantu29
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My Paki buddy was robbed at gun point twice last month in broad daylight...2pm...while working in a you know what--a convenience store-- paying his way through grad school in physics and that "twice" is seasonally adjusted, inflation moderated, YoY. Both times they got less then $200 bucks. How would you like to be gunned down for $90?  Very much in line with your economic analysis and report of the soaring gun (and ammo) sales. Scary stuff out there.

All of a sudden, being a bank teller or gas station attendant just became a tad less safe.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:39 | Link to Comment hairball48
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All of a sudden, being a bank teller or gas station attendant just became a tad less safe.

Say what you want, but...

Strong arm robberies of  small casinos are on the increase in many areas here in Montana....the perception being that a casino is where the money is. The gaming joints I work for are installing slam bars on the doors with "buzz-in" locks; activated after dark....so it'll be a lil easier to keep out those crackhead dipshits wearing "hoodies" and  saggyass baggy pants.

Being an official "old dude" at 63 and a perceived "victim"....I have a CC permit...and I do carry (except  in the joints where I work where carrying firearms are prohibited). 

At home I have a short barrel .12g pumpgun loaded up with 00buckshot...for when the food riots and general mayhem begin :) 

Vote Ron Paul

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 03:38 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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SP500 monthly chart remains bearish and USDX weekly remains bullish, so it’s only a matter of time until the market makes its move.

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