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Bob Janjuah: "In One Year I Expect Global Equities To Be 25%/30% Lower; The S&P Will Reach Low 1000s In October"

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Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:00 | 1732565 GeneMarchbanks
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Eric Shatzer: "Bob the Bear or Bob the Bull?" Fucking Bloomtool...

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:39 | 1732668 MillionDollarBonus_
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How long is it going to take cowardly sellers and short-sellers to realise that they are DESTROYING this country. Our forefathers spent YEARS building some of the most esteemed corporations the world has ever known, and all you can do to thank them and their faithful investors is SELL? The public has a MORAL OBLIGATION to buy-and-hold so that we don't have to experience such devastating market-turbulence. Mature investors like myself have been buying and holding for years, and this is the thanks we get?

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:45 | 1732680 russki standart
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Dear MillionDollarBonus,

 

and you are finally waking up, realizing that the system into which you placed faith and trust is a fraud, manipulated by the banksters. Don´t worry, once most of these corporations are sufficiently weakened (and SME businesses are destroyed), the banksters will buy everything for pennies on the dollar, with money printed out of thin air.You will wake up a slave, in the lands where your forefathers walked as free men.  Get off you ass and done something, unless you wish for your children to walk in the chains of unpayable debt serfdom.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:04 | 1732726 Dugald
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And the Devil will drag you under

with a Debt so heavy you'll never float,

Sit down, sit down,

sit down, sit down

your rockin the boat......

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:30 | 1732784 Comay Mierda
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MDB I was wondering where you were over the weekend cuz I didnt see any of your krugman/bernanke worshipping troll speeches. but then i realized either you were too busy downloading kiddie porn, or you probably just work M-F 9am-5pm at the FIAttack watch center in the NY Fed. (or both?)

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:26 | 1732752 MillionDollarBonus_
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I believe your anger is misdirected. The problem is not legitimate banks like JPM and Goldman Sachs. These banks are highly respected and form a large part of our economy, which is why they unfortunately had to be bailed out. The problem is GREEDY HEDGE FUNDS AND TRADERS that earn far too much money by SPECULATING. Christine Lagarde has correctly pointed out that the government should decide ALL salaries for private workers to ensure that they are receiving FAIR compensation for the work they do.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 12:17 | 1733403 ceilidh_trail
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MDB=Fascist fool/tool. You cannot really believe this garbage. Even oboy doesn't really (Ihope) believe the crap he spouts. Go back to huffpo where you would be much happier... 

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:54 | 1732688 DormRoom
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you mean those esteemed corporations who shipped manufacturing jobs to the far east, and gutted high paying, and low skill jobs, which allowed mobility into the middle class?

 

Or those esteemed corporations who pay less taxes than small business owner because of tax loopholes like the double irish, and the dutch sandwich.

 

Maybe it's those corporations who stopped innovating, or making real goods, but instead financialized their business models, and played the derivatives market, so the profit center was the accounting department, instead of R&D.

 

All this leverage, and market financialization  is similar to the events leading up to the panic of 1873, which lead to the 'Long Depression'.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:04 | 1732730 traderjoe
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Double Irish and Dutch sandwich - sound like names for great sex positions.

And in your list don't forget your executives robbing the company through outsized compensation packages.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:08 | 1732743 DosZap
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MillionDollarBonus_

NOW you know the feeling of Being FRANKED (No Lube),not once,but twice,for Mr & Mrs J6P, who have taken 45% haircuts in the last 25yrs.

Buy and Fold, is more like it.You know a 25% Mkt loss takes at least a 50% return to JUST break even.Count time loss to get back, your still scroomed.

It's happened 2x's, get ready for # 3..................anyone dumb enough to HOLD in this, and the coming mkt deserves it.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:09 | 1732745 Dapper Dan
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Anyone who does not see the emperors clothes is an imbecile.

How would you get real price discovery with out selling?

the tax man indicates my house is worth $200,000  but it won't sell for $95,000,  8 months running.

buy and hold this billionmollardonus

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:24 | 1732778 MillionDollarBonus_
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"the tax man indicates my house is worth $200,000  but it won't sell for $95,000".

And there you have one of the tragic outcomes of free market prices. If we simply let professional economists set the prices of consumer goods, then the market price for your type of house could be set at $200,000, and no other bids would be allowed. Buyers would be FORCED to pay $200,000 for your house if they want to buy it. This would allow resources to be allocated according to the preferences of economic experts, rather than the general public. Economists are then able to apply capital-allocation models tailored for optimal prosperity.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:34 | 1732799 Hedgetard55
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The economists making these decisions would have to be carefully screened and vetted beforehand, though. An Ivy League PhD is the minimum requirement, it seems to me.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:46 | 1732833 g speed
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I've decided to become a professional economist-- so let me see--hum-- a--- OK everything you own is worth shit and everything I own is priceless so shut your stupid pie hole you poverty stricken lowlife--- how's them apples?

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 10:09 | 1732910 Raynja
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hahahahaha I needed that laugh. Central planning will make it all better. Hahahahaha you fucking retarded troll the fed is going to fire you for economic illiteracy.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 10:14 | 1732927 GCT
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I never thought I would post this.  I need some of what MDB is smoking or snorting.  Hell I am not a professional investor but can see this market is actually scary.  Buy and hold my ass.

The bank taking care of me my ass!  Corporations helping the people please.  Corporations are all about profit and do not care who they step on to make it,  including you!  When you wake up from your buy and hold to have nothing.  You were warned.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:47 | 1732834 clones2
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It's called a "market"...  And your "investments" are only worth what someone else will pay for them!  Why has it taken decades for the older generation to get this.  My parents still don't get it.

My investments in Bonds are doing OUTSTANDING!!!  30% return in 2 months...  My 401K has never been higher... I'm not sure what the problem is.

I always tell them... this is YOUR RETIREMENT, YOUR MONEY, and YOUR FUTURE.  YOU better learn how to invest it.

 

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:08 | 1732595 newstreet
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Hoping to cover those ES 1000 shorts from last summer.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:16 | 1732617 Edward Fiatski
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Really? I bet the fundamentals are a-okay - the market has been stick-saved, along with EUR at 1.334  last week.

Now it's ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:10 | 1732601 oh_bama
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So BTFD??

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:22 | 1732628 WonderDawg
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There's one in every crowd...

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:11 | 1732602 FOC 1183
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We wnt the old BoB bck. Ths cLear legble txt wthout errers, abbrvtns, and rndom caps wil nt wrk.  Whre's the real BoB?

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:13 | 1732610 slaughterer
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Funny Bob does not mention possibility of QE3 as risk to his hypothesis.  Any deflation like he predicts will be met by LSAP very quickly.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:32 | 1732656 junkyardjack
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Yea, the market will drop short term but if you think that Bernake won't be hitting print at some point in an election year you are sadly mistaken.  The market being down 25-30% next year just won't be happening unless you are looking at it in Real dollars.  The market being down 25-30% in the next two months is likely.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:49 | 1732699 WonderDawg
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Your post assumes that Bernanke will force the market higher by printing. I disagree. Will he print? Probably. Will it work this time to juice the markets? Doubtful. Confidence is deteriorating. Banks aren't lending, people aren't borrowing, hope is being washed away by fear, the credit collapse will be unlike anything that has been witnessed by us or written about by historians. This is epic. Bernanke (or rather, his masters) doesn't control the markets with his printer. QE1 worked beautifully to juice the markets (there was still hope), QE2 worked but less so (there was less hope), and QE3 will be a minor bump that will quickly be overwhelmed by the epic credit collapse. IMO.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:12 | 1732753 SheepDog-One
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'Printing' in an election year doing more of what the people hate the most and identify as 'bailing out the rich'...in case you havent noticed there are 'Occupy Wall St' protests all over the country. They havent gone Syria style yet but soon will, and definitely will if Ogolfer embarks on another free money printfest for billionaires.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:02 | 1732728 SheepDog-One
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I cant believe people still think some huge 'bailout' is primed and ready in the wings to be thrown in at any minute. 

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:37 | 1732805 Hedgetard55
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Well, sheep, that is what we've has been conditioned to believe by the actions of the last 2.5 years.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:29 | 1732613 i-dog
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"The key basic problems remain weak trend growth in the DM world, which we think will continue for another three to five years, the policy errors (in our view) of the current set of policymakers, and the existing set of inadequate 'old world' policy institutions."

No ... dickhead ... the "key basic problem" is that Joe, Josephine and Junior Sixpack each wish to continue purchasing iCrap and adding more toys to the garage, the kitchen, the study, the car and the dog kennel -- while all of these useless toys are being imported from overseas against IOUs that can/will never be repaid.

The fact that the Sixpacks also have no wealth-producing jobs ... and nobody is planning on creating any wealth-producing jobs for them any time within the next century, let alone the next "three to five years"! ... also seems to have escaped your incisive analysis of 'the charts'.

For fuck's sake ... wake up! The jig is up ... the ponzi is over ... and no cunning plans from Timmay "Baldrick" Geithner, or Ben "Percy" Bernanke, to screw around with the printer are going to change that!

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:24 | 1732633 doomz78
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predictions mean nothing to me in a market with 0% interest rates and the printing presses licking at the chops in the background.  The real question is what will the value of gold vs the dow jones be?  That is my only true measure of the stock market.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:53 | 1732708 Quinvarius
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The gold price is my DOW target, and most other people's.  So mashing up paper gold with margin hikes and interventions is probably a really bad idea.  But that's cool.  I like cheap stocks.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:24 | 1732634 msmith
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If so, we should expect Oil to drop through critical support on the weekly chart.  http://bit.ly/pe90Vi

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:26 | 1732642 King_of_simpletons
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So what happens when the stock market keeps going down, dollar keeps going up because Eurozone is in the shitter, commodities keep going down ??

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:32 | 1732655 doomz78
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well look at today.  Dollar going up and silver and gold going up.  The smart hands are coming back into silver and gold.  And the leveraged meatheads have been flushed out.  Oil and copper will keep on tanking as this euro slow motion car crash with occupants slamming into trees resumes.  \

if this starts to happen it's a big moment.  Many predicted that gold and silver would seperate from the rest of the market.  The timing of those predictions were wrong, even though fundamentally they made sense.  We might see it now becoming real.  And if it happens I think we will see gold at 2000 by years end.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:49 | 1732700 trampstamp
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not yet. Still to high for them. Remember pennies on the dollar.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:28 | 1732646 fdisk
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"My secular view remains bearish."

Ask yourself, who is bullish then? Pretty much nobody..

And what happens when all those doomsters sitting on the same

side of the boat?

Market simply doesn't work that way. If everyone bearish and all SHORT

the Market then All makes money? Das is Fantastish. :)))

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:06 | 1732738 SheepDog-One
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Wow people still actually believe theres a miracle coming right around the next corner.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:32 | 1732647 Archimedes
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Sorry but this guy has lost all credibility. He should stop making these stupid S&P predictions as he has been wrong on every call for the past two years. He is starting to give Cramer a run for his money.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:28 | 1732648 Moneyswirth
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Should this materialise, the S&P500 could move from a low in October of around 1000, up to/towards 1200 by end-December 2011/January 2012.

 

Merry Christmas!! 

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:34 | 1732662 slaughterer
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Christmas season already started before Halloween this year.  Earliest Christmas season start for US retailers ever in history.  Santa rally, indeed.  

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:35 | 1732664 warchopper
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Good brief analysis. However, I think it negates the impact that HFT will have on the markets.

It's easier for the SP 500 to drop 300 or 400 points then it is for it to rally by 300 or 400 points.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:45 | 1732687 Johnny Lawrence
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At some point, I'm very confident we'll see new lows.  New lows were established several times after the initial crash during both the Great Depression and Japan post-1989.   It wouldn't be unprecedented to see it in the US.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:48 | 1732694 slewie the pi-rat
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slewie remains firmly convinced we are in an avalanche of never-ending, secular bullshit.

LET THEM FAIL!!!

get rid of the zombie parasites already!  they're worse than ori-0 and falak penis trolling together, with spirit of lies thrown in for "good measure"! 

never-ending bullshit, BiCheZ! 

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:47 | 1732697 trampstamp
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Everyone is an expert until their not.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:52 | 1732707 NEOSERF
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A decision was made several weeks ago to "retire" Bob and replace him with Watson who of course was gramatically correct and therefore must be more accurate..

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 08:59 | 1732724 pasttense
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"The key basic problems remain weak trend growth in the DM world, which we think will continue for another three to five years,"

 

I just don't see any reason things are going to change for the better in three to five years. What I see happening in the next three to five years is a lot more Greece style soverign debt problems (although the United States  may take from five to ten years before it goes down).

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:05 | 1732732 monopoly
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And have a nice day. Geesh!

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:05 | 1732735 monopoly
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We break 1,100 spoos not sure miners can withstand that pressure, for now.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:11 | 1732749 fdisk
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GOLD/SILVER up, don't think Market will go down in days like this..

If GOLD heading higher or flat here, DOW might turn actually positive.

Watch.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 09:13 | 1732757 SheepDog-One
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AH yes the new Gold/DOW pair...yea sure.

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