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Boehner Deficit Plan Passes: Here Is What Happens Next
As expected, the revised revised Boehner plan has passed the Congress garnering the required 216 votes to be successful (218-210 to be precise). And now that the ball is in the Senate's court, here is was happens over the next 3 days...
Via Nancy Vanden Houten of Stone McCarthy.
Majority Leader Reid today set the wheels in motion for the Senate to begin consideration of the House bill, assuming it passes, or his own debt ceiling/deficit reduction plan.
Our understanding of the procedures in the Senate is pretty basic, but the bottom line seems to be that the soonest we would see any meaningful vote in the Senate would be shortly after midnight on Saturday (i.e. early Sunday morning.) It's not clear to us whether that initial vote would be on some version of the House bill, Reid's original proposal, or Reid's proposal modified based on recommendations from Minority Leader McConnell. Without Republican input on the legislation, the odds of filibuster go up. People with more knowledge of the workings of the Senate than we have are looking for another procedural vote on Monday morning, and a final vote on some piece of legislation on Tuesday (August 2.)
Putting the logistics of the Senate aside, Reid is going to have to make some adjustments to his bill to get enough Republican support so that Republicans don't block legislation through filibusters or other tactics.
Assuming Reid can get the Senate to pass some piece of legislation, some compromise will still have to be worked out with the House. If Speaker Boehner wants to be part of a compromise that prevents default, he's going to have to shift gears in a major way. In the last couple of days, he's been working overtime to get support for his bill from members of his own party. If he wants to push through compromise legislation, he's going to have to court some Democrats, because he'll surely lose Republican votes on any compromise with Democrats.
As we noted in our comment Monday, the original Boehner and Reid plans had enough in common to suggest grounds for compromise.
The biggest stumbling block will continue to be the House bill's provision that calls for the debt limit to be increased in two steps, with the first increase only lasting through the end of this year or early this year. We don't think Senate Democrats and the White House would concede to that. As we noted in our update Monday, both the original House and Senate bills call for a new Congressional committee to make recommendations for long-term deficit reduction. The House bill made the second increase in the debt limit contingent on Congress adopting those recommendations. There are no consequences for failing to adopt the committee's recommendations in the Senate bill.
We think Senate Democrats would agree to adding some mechanism to their bill to force the adoption of the Committee's recommendations. Indeed, President Obama said today he could support some sort of enforcement mechanism if it was "smart and balanced." We don't think Democrats would support the enforcing mechanisms in either version of the House bill -- i.e. making a debt limit increase dependent on Congress adopting the new committee's deficit reduction recommendations in the first bill, or Congress adopting a balanced budget amendment in the latest version. However, Senate Democrats do seem open to requiring a vote on a balanced budget amendment as part of a compromise.
The bottom line: To get legislation to raise the debt limit, some bi-partisan cooperation will be required. Senator Reid will need to work with Republicans to move a bill through the Senate, and House Speaker Boehner will need to start wooing Democrats because he's sure to lose Republican votes for any legislation that makes some concessions to Democrats. Given the procedures in the Senate, this isn't likely to be resolved before Tuesday. If the two sides are making progress, we think there is a good chance we would see a very short-term increase in the debt ceiling lasting for a matter of days.
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is any other tinfoiler thinking that a large part of the reason for this whole drawn-out affair is to direct attention away from the GDP print/revision released today?
an odd coinkidink don't ye think?
+1
I'm a tinfoiler, but uh...nope. I don't think they're that stupid.
That'd be like trying to distract your mom from the smell of weed by setting your house on fire. It might work, but the cure is worse than the disease.
I think it's more likely they know the jig's up and don't want to be hanged from lampposts.
maybe...then again, they were also successful in getting the meme out that SS is pretty much a goner...and you know, kids do say the darnedest things...
Well, SS *is* a goner. Not because it should be, but just because the government that administers it is collapsing under the weight of its own mismanagement.
Philosophically, you can make a good case for SocSec and if you're going to bother with government and such, maybe it's the right thing to do. (I confess to a personal like for the idea. I also like education and humanitarian justice, etc.)
*Practically* speaking, however: the guys in charge have already fucked things up so completely royally that we'll be lucky if we can salvage a nationwide electrical grid over the next 50 years, let alone a centralized system of retirement payments.
Bettin' on Balkanization, myself. I know it might suck, but describing the future is not the same as engineering it.
My guess is, if this was orchestrated, it was to rob the pension funds. If they end up defaulting here shortly, I won't be able to conclude anything other than that it was a ploy to make several other average American's poor. Fight a bunch of wars, you'll end up having to pay a lot of pensions, what the fuck did they think would happen?
In the fog of budget wars, some clarity on how it all started. Regardless of his history media whoring, da man can think straight:
How did the deficit worsen by over US$1.4 trillion between 2000 and Obama’s entry into the Oval Office? There were five main reasons:
Overall, the policy changes legislated in the 2002-09 fiscal years over which the Bush administration had decision-making power increased the fiscal deficit by about US$5 trillion. An ideology of laissez-faire market fundamentalism, aggressive war-waging and reckless tax cuts passed under the excuse of “starving the beast” (it was an “excuse” as discretionary spending doubled under Bush rather than being reined in by the tax cuts) created this fiscal train wreck.
you could have just said it was Bush's fault
President Obama has been saying that for years
by the way if we want to PM you, what's your mybarackobama.com handle?
Oh, I see now. It was ONLY Bush and Free Market Capitalism that caused this. Thanks for clearing that up. I love when some ignorant party hack joins the discussion.
Or could it be that all politicians, of any stripe, are blood sucking parasites and good Ol USSA has never had ANYTHING close to free market capitalism for nearly 100 years and THAT is what caused this cluster fuck? Get lost you one party hack.
Go suck a teamster off union thieving moron.
djCandi,
Posting these facts will gain you nothing here. You will likely collect more red downers than green uppers - no doubt. But good going anyway.
<Disclaimer>
I do not vote nor do I claim affiliation with any political party.
Still, I see the Republican Party at this time as The Party Of The Rich - Everyone Else Be Dammned. The Tea Party is a temporary insanity in the body politic as best I can tell. The Democratic Party seems to be the lesser of evils at this time - but I won't vote for them either - Spineless.
My own view of the best of all enslavers... oops... governments is somewhere between Social Democracy and Anarchism from the choices available to man at the current limited level of wisdom and enlightenement.
Hit those down arrows!
Too bad the Democrats didn't have a majority in both the executive and legislative branches in 2009-2010, during which time they could have reversed any of those above 5 things. Such a shame, such a pity....
And you sir win the game. DJCandi: please take your ball and go home for you are not fit to play with the pros.
I think you're missing the point. Once an administration is out of office it is no longer held accountable. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, all the neo-cons like Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Wolfowitz, etc, they are now all good guys!
I don't see that you are saying anything in favor of the Obamanation administration, but the rule is that if you bring up the sins of the Bush administration, that is prima facie evidence that you agree with all the lies of the current adminstration, so shame on you!
"How did the deficit worsen by over US$1.4 trillion between 2000 and Obama’s entry into the Oval Office?" - djCandi
Next, one needs to follow up by asking and answering: How did the deficit worsen by more trillion$ since Obama’s entry into the Oval Office?
Obama has advocated, continued, and magnified all the worst policies of his predecessors (including Clinton's 'free trade' exporting of the tax base). The global wars and militarism have increased, and the financial handouts since TARP (which Obama supported) have grown exponentially. And do include the big pharma/ health insurance industry give-aways and boondoggle.
"How did the deficit worsen by more trillion$ since Obama’s entry into the Oval Office?"
Professor Bartlett on youtube can answer that question for any of the 'slower' here amongst us that don't understand wtf an exponential function is. We are without a doubt entering the metaphorical 99.9ish% timeline in the petri dish.
OBAMA for 2012 banner ad... PUKE. Thats what I get for visiting CNN website today.
Try Googleing "Debt Ceiling" and you'll always get a direct link to Odumbos re-election site in the top returns. It's "Barack-O-Uflaged" as the: "Obama Debt Ceiling Plan". Fucking shameless. Not to mention the fact that a gazillion morons will hit the link and he'll get a shit load of contirbutions toward his campaign. This country is beyond doomed. My parents are rolling in their graves. If you could travel back in time 40 years and make contact with me to inform me of the future I wouldn't have believed what you told me for a million bucks. Truly sad state of affairs. Burn baby, burn; bring on the next evolution of the former USA.
How'd that bail out of TBTF Banks work out? Why are we considering bailing out a government who's reckless spending is far worse than anything we have evr envisioned?
In life when you screw up- you pay a penalty. It's time to default and save 3 additional trillion. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2011/07/time-to-default.html
We will still get downgraded after the Obamacare bills come due. Enjoy it for a few years.
if anyone thinks that getting a deal done is a victory, he is a goddamned fucktard.....this bill is a fraud and any raise of the debt limit is proof that the banksters control congress and rule amerika with an iron fist....
fuck the debt limit increase; bring on the default.....as noted already, america has already defaulted and taxed the fuck out of this country to support wars of imperial aggression and blood letting, to say nothing of prupping up the bankster junta who willfully destroyed this nation for their pecuniary interests....because they couldn't help themselves because the system made them do it....
Senate Kills Boehner Debt Ceiling Plan: http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/29/senate-kills-boehner-debt-ceiling-plan/
Oh shit...
14th Amendment invoked on Tuesday by Prez?
Meat grinder at the sausage making has stalled...
What happens next?
Tee time for the "Putter-In-Chief".
Why not just remove the damn debt ceiling altogether? What would have to be done to make this happen?
Then it'd be party time!
Remove the debt ceiling altogether? Oh please stop to think, before posting ... unless you happen to live on some other planet with infinite resources for exponential growth.
Maybe there is a god. Because someone's punishing the shit out of once free Americans since Abe Lincoln fucked the whole thing to bits.
The US collects $200 billion a month in tax revenues and spends $300 billion.
Sooo.....we need to cut expenditures by 1/3rd if we want to correct our problem immediately. But why do that?
I think it would be better to evaluate expenses and raise the debt ceiling each month.
Force "fiscal responsibility" upon the President who is apparently not capable of originating this idea on his own.
Question is, how do we get congress to impose this sort of thing when they seem equally inept at budgeting?
I think a better plan would be to:
A. Increase spending to $400B/mo
B. Allocate $100B/mo of that to be distributed to all citizens, tax free (sorry, natural born only)
C. Depress PM spot and encourage all citizens to purchase said PM's while maintaining artificial manipulated prices
D. Default and fuck the entire globe after 1 year
E. Sell "Debt Ceiling Negotiations Participants Tags" (similar to a deer tag during hunting season) for 1/TOz Ag immediately after default
F. Open season until all tags are filled.
That would be pretty irresponsible of us albeit probably very much fun.
Good thinking!
Ag is already depressed but I like it.
Don't need to raise the debt ceiling, nope, it's all a ruse to keep sheeple preoccupied with circuses. goob currently collects about 175 to 180 billion per month, with that kind of cash flows just about any budget woe can be straighten out with just a wee bit of accounting. Few if any of these rubes in the congress has an accounting degree, most are cast as lawyer, and lawyers don't understand accounting and never will. take your 175 billion and pay your debt service, then pay the entitlements, and then the military, what is left is about 35 billion for the discretionary spending, probably not enough left over to keep funding the programs that could include, underwater basket weaving, local bird calls, turtle wheelchair programs , etc, etc, you know the drill. they spend to much on bull shit discretionary pork for their own districts, I am afraid it is going end badly for some who have failed to realize that the party is over.
Holy Shit! "Turtle Wheelchair Programs"?!?! That's a +2 (and a -1 for making me spit beer all over my keyboard; you get +1 net for the humor!).
You are correct.
We have a systemic problem.
Every congressperson needs to right these two words a hundred times on their white boards: Fiscal Responsibility.
They already do that daily. The problem is the white board is composed of a huge acid test stone and the marker is solid Au. All funded by the US citizen/sucker/sheeple. When they run out of markers they order more and clean the board with nitric flushing the waste fluid down our sewer of an economic system after allowing the banking industry to drop all trace Au out of solution to be retained for Global use.
Tyler...you really need to bring back "captcha".
"As U.S. debt ceiling negotiations get down to the wire, fund managers are shifting out of money market funds in case a debt default creates a pressing demand for cash.
More than $62 billion has been shifted out of money market funds over the past two weeks, according to Investment Company Institute. About 60% of that, or $37.5 billion, was yanked during the week ended July 27."
http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/29/markets/bondcenter/Treasuries_debt_ceili...
Ouch! I think things are not going so well.
Pretty strong correlation there between the short term rates spiking and the mid and long term rates dropping.
A flattenng yield curve!
My PST holding got hammered the last few days.
The MM freeze of 2008 is still fresh in my memory. Sub par and illiquidity and all of that stuff.
Now you've gone and done it with your post and link.
I'm going to bed scared :)
Ain't Debt Parties fun... (c'mon, they VOTED, even)
The obfuscation, distraction, manipulation make me want to celebrate, too. What's in the Pinata, I wonder?
And when does Honest Leadership start playing? (that's a band, right?)
What's in the Pinata?
USDA-Subprime Bullshit. Or, pork rinds. Or, Reid's balls. Or, Boehner's ass. Or, Pelosi's make-up. Or, Hope and a few pennies Change. Or, nothing at all.
MMmmm...MMmmm Big breasted filipino womem.....
MMmmm...MMmmmmm...good.!
Damn.
Filipinas are the most beautiful women in the world, but I've never seen a big-breasted one. Neither has Google, apparently.
Floyd...Sheep...take two
Uhhh..sorry for the prayer at the end of the vid...not in the original song...creepy
I just want to say Harry Reid is a wussy for not allowing debate on not one, but two house bills to solve this manufactured crisis.
Viva la revolucion!!!
My kitten's name is Kitler.
Kute!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YpMVoYBJzs
Ron and Rand on it all during the House vote on FBN
Ron saying price inflation will be hot talk by next summer... Econ 313 a macro class is a fun back drop to this all...
Next ... your doorbell will ring:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqoGORXAv2o
Here's a great paper by Antal Fekete who exposes Keynes for the manipulator he was.
http://www.professorfekete.com/articles%5CAEFTheDeepCauseOfTheGreatFinan...
Keynesian stimulus:economics::curved space:gravitation only if you think general relativity is correct, but see
"Dirac's Equation and the Sea of Negative Energy, part 2" at the following url: http://www.zeitlin.net/OpenSETI/Docs/HotsonPart2.pdf
Dirac? Very nice...I'm partial to a feynman path integral approach...principle of least price action...I guess
It may or may not be fringe physics, but some of the ideas are fascinating. He wrote a third paper that gets into telepathy, cold fusion, and immortality. He's a good literate writer, but whether his physics is a genuine revolution or will go in the bin for crank theories is hard for me to tell. Definitely worth the read and nothing threatening if you are strictly standard model. I read some criticisms on a physics forum, but I'm not expert enough to judge. If he is right, it overturns the big bang theory, GR, and the standard model, leading to a flat universe that has always existed. I need to find out more about the solutions to Dirac's equation, which is a relativistic equation, so I am boning up on GR and tensor calculus.
Certainly physics has its orthodoxy, and this paper questions the orthodoxy in a big way. That's what I like are thinkers who are both original and non-orthodox, but who are also conversant with the orthodox point of view. Fekete appeals to me because he has proven himself as a mathematician and has gone over to thinking about economics in a ground-breaking way. I find what he has to say compelling.
(Meant to hit the edit button--they are too close together. I was going to add that I also like Steve Keen who understands enough math to reformulate economics in terms of dynamical systems. He gives the lie to the conventional model which bases everything on equilibrium and has actually come up with a toy model on his website where you can play with the non-linear approach.
On a side note,I get sick of the ideology between left and right that you read ad nauseum on this site. These ideologies are just psychological artifacts that say nothing about reality and speak only to the groupthink of the people who cling to them. Politicians use them to "appeal to voters"--ie, they are predicated on manipulating credulous stupid people. They are also intellectually vapid. They are why the US is turning into a dump.
Steve Keen's debtwatch.com is all good.
As for the Left vs Right dichotomy, we could make it easier by simply asking what kind of society and economy we would like to have for most people, and their children, to participate in.
I understand the spirit of your suggestion, but these little demons are not easily banished and would enter--frothing at the mouth--into any such discussion. No, I think the only way one can be cured of this affliction is to suffer the full consequences of where these beliefs lead. They are so ingrained that it is as if a new born baby is already hard-wired to be a Marxist or a fascist. My own thought is along Freudian lines: I believe they result from the love or absence of love that a mother shows her infant child, or perhaps from the spectrum of permissiveness to authoritarianism in the natal family.
***Raised eyebrows***
In that case, at your leisure you might like to take a look at this
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1012/10122301
and this
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
Although I suspect you may already be familiar with this material...
Absolutely correct, there are no born beliefs. They are learned behaviour. Unfortunately our culture has become one of pandering to little Johnny who can't read, so just push him along. Can't have losers in a ball game so we won't keep score. Our coddling of todays youth has resulted in a lack of drive to succeed. They're all "winners" without even trying, and look how happy they are. Today's youth will never be able to be the innovators and leaders we need them to be if we don't let them experience failure, like our government should have done with our banks. How did that work out?
What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
There is shadow under this red rock,
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
Frisch weht der Wind
Der Heimat zu.
Mein Irisch Kind,
Wo weilest du?
'You gave me hyacinths first a year ago;
'They called me the hyacinth girl.'
—Yet when we came back, late, from the Hyacinth garden,
Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
Speak, and my eyes failed, I was neither
Living nor dead, and I knew nothing,
Looking into the heart of light, the silence.
Od' und leer das Meer.
Love this poem. I used to listen to Eliot's Four Quartets read by the poet himself--indescribable!
Mein Irisch Kind,
Wo weilest du?
Stunningly beautiful.
I'm guessing you would like Goethe and von Hoffmansthal too.
spot on...you sir, are intelligent...could talk forever about physics...imho I'm partial to the least action approach because it's economical...it (as I'm sure you understand) states that there is a quantity that exists in this universe and the universe proceeds in such a manner that this quantity (action) is minimized...beautiful...of course, there are other approaches...I suspect that the true theories are equivalent anyway (Heisenberg matrix mechanics & schroedingers wave theory for example)
"the cricket no relief". What kind of relief does a cricket give? Debt relief? Tax relief?
Here's Gerald Celente's take on Boner's plan:
http://www.geraldcelente.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1536
Here's Ron Paul's take on Boner's bill:
http://www.geraldcelente.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=paul&action=display&thread=1547
and here's Randy...night all
Randy Shredding
What a complete mess! But, imagine how much worse it would have been if Palin had anything to do with it!!!
Just a random thought about US troubles, via Joan Baez.
Yes I am of her age: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnS9M03F-fA&NR=1&feature=fvwp
So you're our entitlement problem in person?
And go with the best version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMHyovwX7JM
Ponder the message about driving people down in any era.
$2T in retirement 401k money sitting ripe for the milkshake straw to suck.
Yet the zombie lemming brigade remains content in their pig slop.
Ponder how developed banker WMD have ground people down for a very long while and ponder how, now, sundry financial derivatives are grinding people into poverty.
About ten years ago I fondly imagined that banks only lent money from deposits on hand.
It has been a steep learning curve for me to learn what is really going on.
I am fairly intelligent and I have found it a struggle to grasp what is going on. What hope anyone less able to grasp what has become "financialism"?
It was hard-enough to understand capitalism and mercantilism, for anyone who had the aptitude and could be bothered with Adam Smith, Ricardo, Marx and, latterly, such as Keynes and Galbraith.
Now we have financialism and who really understands manifold derivatives of the real economy?
I believe a biological approach makes more sense. It is now a question of parasite and host. Take rabies, please. This disease kills its host, but acts in such a way as to keep the animal alive so that it can spread to other animals by causing the host to bite. It is optimally tuned for self-propagation. Same thing seems to be true with financial parasitism. We've become inured to suffering the slings and arrows of gotcha capitalism, which set us up for the last phase which is "biting" our opponents on the other extreme of the political political spectrum and will soon descend into knife fights at the local food depot as the parasite jumps to another host population.
Imho, we're in a Japanese-style endless recession.
We might be talking about a couple of lost generations.
Fuck the debt.
We need growth and jobs.
http://geraldcelente.proboards.com
'growth and jobs' wtf that really mean? globalization is eating US jobs, big corp is eating small biz, thus the empire is dying
anyone who has enough money to create jobs can just happily sit on that money... for years. Or invest in another country.
Healthcare costs is what made unions look like thieves when that wasn't their fault. Now the rest of the country is finally seeing what a beast that became from pharma and insurance racketeering
all this theater is just the politicians gaming for their bribes/special interests before it gets raised again... the last few debt raises, the wars and wall street took all the new money.. so now all the beggars line up for this one
What's the point of the clown freak show but to allow ameriCON'd to see how much we need the baboons banana republic. Don't read it. Pass it! File it with lil scamBO wealth care. More intellectual masturbation with no potency. It all gives birth to more self gratifying indulgent lunacy. Lock'em up in a rubber room and let'em eternally circle jerk while we the people restore the republic & get on with true freedom.
where is tyler?
bad hangover leaving him unconscious in a bathtub?
rare communicable disease leaving him incapacitated in a third world hospital?
black helicopters?
far too many hours have passed without a post......
Old Russian saying--- Better to be a drunkard then stupid. A drunkard sobers up in the morning, a stupid person remains so forever. Congress is akin to the latter. Soon we will all be living in a trailer parks enjoying vodka and sex of your preferance---new interpretation of Freedom and ownnership society
True. True. Our government funds PBS which has a show called "globe trekker." the episode I caught this morning showed the russian mail order bride banquet/matchmaking events in a posh crimerian hotel.
Long story short. Russian men have little illusion about how they are valued by society. According to the CEO of the american mail order bride corporation: they drink, smoke and work themselves into looking like 60 at age 40 and that is why these women are shopping for second (foriegn) husbands.
Where this applies to the budget debate is that the american equivelent is to go into enormous debt, to cater to people that "vote" serving the great sin of vanity required to be a politician. Men and women of america who actually do work hard are learning that the Tax code is worse than the russian mafia (communist or current) Atleast in russia, slavery keeps the nation solvent. AS opposed to america, it makes some kinda bizzaro sense that two people of any sex or sexual orientation pay less effective tax than those without the government marriage license. And if that marriage sours it is a ubiquitously accepted excuse to renig on all debts those folks had at any point in thier lives, including to thier children.
End the evils of the US tax code and good people can build commonwealth again.
Old Russian saying--- Better to be a drunkard then stupid. A drunkard sobers up in the morning, a stupid person remains so forever. Congress is akin to the latter. Soon we will all be living in a trailer parks enjoying vodka and sex of your preferance---new interpretation of Freedom and ownnership society
Let the Tyler's have a break.
So we ZH folks likely consider ourselves to be among the most well informed individuals within the herd eh?
I call bullshit until I see GW or CD or TD or anyone else who hits these threads man up and address this little nugget with some integrity.
It IS worse than you think and the problem is far larger than most care to admit.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/confessions_of_a_birther_evangeli...
At least have the courage to read it....
As I read the articles conclusion I would suggest that Zero Hedge has been way out in front of all of these issues so I am not sure what you are talking about
You are technically correct. This site hammers home the flagrant illegitimacy of our 'government' (regime). My alarm is at just how remarkably in your face it is. My challenge is simply for someone to provide a credible defense of stinkies (B.O) legitimacy. Camille Paglia started to question B.O and promptly was exiled. All the farcical 'progressive' voices are either retarded or corrupt. I personally believe though that the FACT that B.O committed felonies in order to become president needs to be put in peoples faces because once that lie is fully exposed, the rest of the farce implodes.
We could have a real 'morning in America'.
What is there to "address"? That guy says it's proven that Obama's BC is forged. There are other guys who say it's the real article, but why does it matter? The entire institution of the Federal government is illegitimate--even if Obama was provably a native-born citizen he'd be an illegitimate "leader." A few years ago, people with similarly passionate theatrics waxed on about the illegitimacy of our previous President, too.
It is ALL bullshit. It has ALWAYS BEEN bullshit. Obama is the latest in a long line of fictional authorities.
Looking for someone to defend Obama's legitimacy, you might try a place where there are people who like Obama. I don't think there are any here. The folks you called out in your initial post have never expressed any love for the guy.
If you want to pick a fight, you should make at least a token effort to find someone on the other side. Did you mention cowardice?
Duh. Weak.
(As for Camille Paglia, she's been a joke for decades. She wrote one interesting book and made a lot of noise for a college professor. She never had anything important to say. Which was your favorite essay from Vamps and Tramps?)
If the sample posted is in keeping with the rest of the "article".........
Only a fool or dishonest or under 30 person could pen that outside of the Onion or some supermarket slime retardo mag.
If that passes for informed opinion then this country has a mess of people with no sense of history even of their own country.
Damn useless apes.
Nice job saying nothing. I truly would like an honest, verifiable refutation. Prove your indignation to be based on confirmable reality. Get scientific. I don't like believing that America has been turned into a hoax administered by a regime. Do please offer some defense of your words. I'll even take links to someone else's defense if you personally buy into them.
I'm tempted to dismiss you with useless words/accusations and name calling...but then I truly would be an "ape" eh?
WTF are you talking about?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/confessions_of_a_birther_evangeli...
I think therefore I agree.
Sorry to say....
Ya-alll need to start paying your taxes.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-news/us/...
Three cheers for Tyler. How he reads and writes at the same time is beyond me. He forces the sycophantic mainstream media's bumbling attempts to follow him on the issues. No wonder Congress can't get anything done; they're glued to ZH looking for their names.
I'm writing this Saturday morning, after the Boehner bill has already been derailed. Here's my take on what will happen. Nothing today (Saturday). The Senate will take up the Reid bill on Sunday, but won't pass it until late Sunday/early Monday? Why? The Democrats want to be able to say they passed a debt ceiling increase, but the Republicans in the House blocked it. It's a classic case of both parties wanting to be able to say they were the ones that did their best, but the other, evil party is to blame for Granny eating Fido's food for dinner on 8-3-11. In other words, both parties will place the benefit of the party ahead of the needs of the nation. Big surprise there.
As a nation, we're screwed. We're paying for the choices that have been made since the end of WWII. I have no problelm with a nation running a deficit in hard times. But you have to balance that with paying that deficit off in good times. We overspent in bad times, and we overspent even more in good times, the times we should have been putting that money away for the rainy days that have come. And, the days we're in now aren't just rainy days, they're deluges, and we can't respond.
As others have noted on this site, I know that all the numbers coming out of DC are cooked. That they do that to condition the population isn't as big a thing to me as it is to some of you. What gets me is that it appears more and more that these guys are actually starting to believe their own fabricated numbers and are making policy based on those fabrications. I don't really care if you're spouting that the unemployment rate is 9.2% when it's more like 16%. But for the love of God, please make sure that you are developing policies based on that 16% real rate instead of the rate that's calculated by dividing the real rate by two, except if the month has an R and the moon is in Pisces (or whatever the hell the formula is). Don't base policy decisions on a 2% rate of inflation because the price of a laptop has come down, while ignoring the fact that meat, milk, fruits and vegetables are through the roof. But I'm pretty much preaching to the choir here. I honestly don't see how we get out of this if denial is such a huge part of what comes out of DC these days.....on both sides of the aisle.
And the political posturing won't fucking end.
Picture this, late monday night Boehner, Cantor, Reid, and the decrepit bitch walk out arm in arm acting like fucking heros. Then the markets rally 200 points Tuesday.
Oh, then S&P and Moody's still have the US on a negative outlook.
This nation is going to explode. All the back woods boys are cleaning their guns out in the open. No kidding I'm seeing signs everywhere. People building up AR's in feed stores and stuff like that.
They're real pissed about the ATF smuggling guns that kill Americans on the border.
My powder's dry and I'm ready. If they think we'll back down their mindfucks have only worked on themselves.
The population is seething. Watch the fuck out and vote for Liberty.
Let it burn...
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