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Brent At $126 As Israel Security Cabinet Votes 8 To 6 To Attack Iran

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Looking at the tranquil sea that is the S&P one may be forgiven to ignore the rapid intraday surge in Brent which was up over $3 in a few hours, approaching $126 once again. But why? After all the FOMC minutes were oh so very slightly hawkish, and not to mention that the Fed's scribe Hilsenrath told everyone at best the Fed would proceed with sterilized QE which would leave risk prices untouched. Maybe it has something to do with this. According to Israel's NRG, in a just completed cabinet vote, for the first time Netanyahu has gotten a majority (8 over 6) supporting an Iran attack. NRG also notes that at this point Israel has decided to not wait until the US elections in November before proceeding with sending crude to the stratosphere. From NRG (google translated): "Israeli political sources believe that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a majority Cabinet support Israeli military action against Iran without American approval....He announced that he would not hesitate to perform the operation without the approval of President Obama mentioned the precedent of the decision to attack the Iraqi reactor, Prime Minister Menachem Begin, and with the comments heard yesterday some cabinet ministers say privately that "It sounds like a speech preparation for attack." Political - Security Cabinet 14 ministers. According to estimates, at this stage tend to support Netanyahu and
Barak's approach eight ministers, and six against it
(including the traditional opponents octet: Moshe Ya'alon, Dan Meridor, Benny Begin and Eli Yishai).
" So... $4.00 gas is just around the corner. As is, probably, $5.00 gas. And $6.00 gas.

And from Richard Silverstein's blog:

Just when you thought it was safe to come out from your air raid shelter after Bibi returned from his U.S. foray to stoke up war fever, Maariv raises the temperature to a boiling point.  Ben Caspit reports (Hebrew) that the cabinet now has, for the first time, a majority (eight votes for, six votes against) favoring the measure.  This means that theoretically Bibi can begin an attack at any time.  Of course, it could mean something different: it could mean the cabinet has approved a strike at any point in future with Bibi determining the timing.  So it doesn’t necessarily mean the F-16s will fly tonight or tomorrow.  But it could:

 

Cabinet Majority Supports Iran Attack

 

The prime minister yesterday delivered one of the most combative and explicit speeches in the history of the Iran affair.  Several cabinet ministers said in private conversations that it sounded like a “speech preparing for war.”

 

Political sources judge that the prime minister has a majority in the cabinet which favors a military strike against Iran, even without American approval.  Yesterday, Netanyahu said he wouldn’t hesitate to attack Iran even without the approval of Pres. Obama…A senior official said Bibi believed it would be best not to wait for the November presidential elections because he didn’t trust the president to deal with the problem after the election.

So it appears that the dies is cast. Our ETA for the earliest possible offensive? Not before CVN-65 Enterprise reaches CVN 70 and CVN 74, sometime over the next 3-5 days. Of course, this is not a prediction of war. Just a logistical notice.

h/t Gregor Peter

 


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Fri, 03/16/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment t_kAyk
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Happy Friday!!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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We love War. It's a spectator sport. It's part of the Circus portion that was entertainment to Romans while their empire was collapsing.

War & SNAP, bitchez.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sDkhzHQO7jY#t=99s

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 15:52 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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I hate how accurate your comment is and don't have the courage to click the link...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment t_kAyk
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you really should...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment SilverTree
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Got Gas?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment qqqqtrader
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:33 | Link to Comment bobola
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Got bicycle..??

I buy Silver Eagles using my bike....

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Gidas19
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I guess I have to let my hummer go, and buy one of those cars that catches on fire...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:59 | Link to Comment true brain
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Got spam. No, not the email variety. the can food variety that will help you survive nuclear winter, at least for a few month, while your body feeds off its own fat.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:33 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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322, Skull & Bones, bitches.  NWO elite represent!

Skull & Bones 322

3/22 - New moon in Aries.  The God of War returns.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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Good one! I like it!

Three ways to clear debt;

1/ Pay it off (fat chance!)

2/ Default (ain't gonna happen!)

3/ Go to war

Yup - looks like option #3 Rich get richer and the poor die!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:12 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Perfect cover to light the fuse of the CDS unwind that is going to incinerate the planetary financial system.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/breaking-report-insider-documents-...

Who is going to be paying attention to Greece the day after March 22?

This was all planned long ago.  Now we just wait and watch the pieces fall into place.  This was one of them.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:57 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Why doesn't Israel drop one of their own nukes on Iran's nuclear facility for attempting to make a nuke?

 

Oh and Israel zionists can build some gas chambers in the name of religion as Nazis has shown it is quite efficient in wiping out a population.

 

dumb middle eastern bitches being played by US, China, Russia in the game of foreign policy.Don't they know that end of Iran is end of Israel as US will no longer need an "ally" when they conquered all of it?

 

same shit for native american tribes...

 

DIVIDE & CONQUER bitches.

 

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Manthong
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I wonder if the rest of CVN-77's battle group is undergoing qualifications in the Atlantic, too?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 23:17 | Link to Comment comrade pravda
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Let us remember our love for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Myers promoted to Chairman of JCS for his role in the murder of over 3,000 people on 9/11/2001 and for helping to start two wars that have murdered more than 1,000,000 people.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment waylon153
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Has anyone actually looked at a map of the middle east?  How is Israel going to wage a war against Iran?  There's a huge country called Iraq sitting between Israel and Iran.  How the hell is either side going to get ground troops to the other side?  Let me guess, missles?  Yeah, because that works so well.  The last time I checked when Israel launched the Six Day War they sure didn't telegraph to the world they were coming.  This is all strong arm tactics by the Israelis to gain concessions from Obama before the elections.  Looking at the map, it would comparable to Cancun, Mexico declaring war on Canada.  Not going to happen....

Sun, 03/18/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment superflyguy
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you have to go a days back on ZH and look at the possible attack scenarios, somebody posted a map and consensus was - they'll fly over Syria and unload the bombs.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Crab Cake
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Native Americans were mostly wiped out ahead of European colonization, literally 50 + percent just gone. The sailors brought it to the islands and it burned through both continents. To give you an idea the Black Plague killed around 1 in 3. Just a historical tidbit. THEN they divided and conquered them.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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Looks like collecting middle east green glass dinnerware will be the Road Show rage in about 50 years.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 00:40 | Link to Comment Tompooz
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They'll call it Ahmadinnerware. Bastards.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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Hey, what do you know?  There is also a new executive order out today for "National Defense Resources Preparedness":

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-na...

Let me take this opportunity to mention that I am pretty sure the US went broke when it went off the gold standard.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 05:48 | Link to Comment Element
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So let me get this right ... when a citizen does the same sort of thing to provide for their own, in an emergency like an economic and banking collapse ... they are terrists?

 

Kinda looks like USSA is mobilising.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 16:20 | Link to Comment The Heart
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Good morning Element,

Happy Patty day blessings to you, yours, and everyone else here.

Just for fun video.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5v9-kKZuUo

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Sat, 03/17/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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Fuku, this is really devastating, why nobody else has picked up on it I can't say, in normal times I would have thought this would be the lead story on the evening news.  This is as close to a declaration of war as we will get now that the War Powers Act governs our foreign adventures. 

PART VI  -  LABOR REQUIREMENTS

Sec. 601Secretary of Labor.  (a)  The Secretary of Labor, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of other agencies, as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of Labor, shall:

(2)  upon request by the Director of Selective Service, and in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, assist the Director of Selective Service in development of policies regulating the induction and deferment of persons for duty in the armed services;

 

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Not Too Important
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The US Army, under direct orders from Lincoln, killed 1,000 anti-draft protesters in NYC at the beginning of the Civil War. We got lucky during the Vietnam draft riots.

How far do you think these lunatics will go this time, since the majority of draft age kids believe 9/11 was an inside job?

Good luck, guys.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Not Too Important
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This is a blueprint for Martial Law.

The US push for war is the last gasp of a dying aristocracy willing to go down in flames, for their own perverted sense of glory. Actually, it's more like,"If we can't have it, you can't have it, either". A global version of the Japanese government's push for national suicide by not evacuating and spreading the radioactive debris around, while the wind and rain will complete their plan. All of the ruling Japanese families are dying, so everyone must go. The ultimate hubris.

How about when the entire world realizes all of the world's water is contaminated with logarithmically-increasing amounts of Fukushima radiation? The radioactive rain contaminating all of our food supply? There's no filtering that. The mutation of global DNA is already taking place. Give this 5 years . . .

Over 50% of the world's oxygen comes from phytoplankton, which is highly susceptable to radiation damage. Between direct Fuku ocean dumping and the radioactive rain, our oxygen will only last so long. Can't buy more.

With all their money and power, they can't prevent the destruction of their own DNA within two generations. It's over for them, and we will all suffer their madness.

Time to work on your bucket lists.

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment kill switch
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A Contributor!!!! About time!!!! This will be a shitload of fun!!!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment Stanwick
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Two former participants in the CIA’s Mars visitation program of the early 1980’s have confirmed that U.S. President Barack H. Obama was enrolled in their Mars training class in 1980 and was among the young Americans from the program who they later encountered on the Martian surface after reaching Mars via “jump room.”

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:39 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Bring it on Israel, glass & sand will become your new rare Earth mineral resource. I'll have to to start up a new mining company. Thanks for the new business opportunity. Placing orders with CAT on Monday.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:17 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Better fighting with Israeli soldiers than Americans.

 

China and Russia will fight using Iranian soldiers.

 

I'd like to see Jews making more holocaust movies after obviously starting world war III.

 

But Iranians just sitting on oil wealth like dumb Saudis and not sharing it are no more innocent.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment passwordis
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 I was with you until the stupidity of your last sentence.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment prole
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It's the new trolling technicQ.

Say something that your target group will all agree with, even controversial push-the-boundaries whatever, to make you "one of them" lower their guard.... then tag it to some statist BS that will doubtless cloud their minds and make them want to conform and sell their PM, and switch their allegiance to a special other country.

Is it working trolls? Are "we all Evolutionists now?"

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Hey Chum,

If i may also add to that...

March 21-22 - Goddess Ostara  i.e. Easter

Easter is the first Sunday after the first new moon after Ostara.

March 21 is one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 16:47 | Link to Comment The Heart
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Ever notice that horrific events take place on Easter?

.

 

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 01:41 | Link to Comment JTBfromtheWL
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3/22 is also the next date in a 188 day seismic cycle of major earthquakes. Previous quakes include Chile, Christchurch NZ, Fukashima, Fiji. These 4, separated by 188 days are large next is likely to be 9.0+

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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It'll be quite a week, won't it?  At least it promises to be, if all this esoteric nonsense is to be believed.

Just a few more days.  We shall see...

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 04:03 | Link to Comment UnpatrioticHoarder
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Wars are typically launched during the new moon. Don't think Aries has much to do with it though.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 12:46 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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How are you getting images showing? At least when I preview my own replies it looks like the HTML img tag and not the actual showing of the image so I doubt it works.

Like so:

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 21:48 | Link to Comment Jake88
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ouch!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment the_magician
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A fellow lithuanian? Good to see you here!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Michael
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Good. Lets get this party started so in the end Israel gets wipped off the map and millions of people get killed.

Have a nice day.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Even the jew supremacists starting this shit believe thousands of jews will get killed from the Hezbollah, Syrian and Iranian missiles-then there's the surprise shit they didn't think about. Probably 100,000 jews die by the time the dust settles.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:00 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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when did supremacists give a shit about others?

 

zionazis only care about their own bank accounts and milking defence contractor deals. They got houses in Alps, Florida, London except in Israel.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Hey moron, you really need to do some research on jew supremacism and stop makimg a fool of yourself:

 

 

I believe in our moral and intellectual superiority, in our capacity to serve as a model for the redemption of the human race. This belief of mine is based on my knowledge of the Jewish people, not some mystical faith; the glory of the divine presence is within us, in our hearts, and not outside of us.

" (Hertzberg, Arthur. The Zionist State. Jewish Publication Society, 1997, p. 94)

 

 

 

http://zioncrimefactory.com/jew-world-order/   

 

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 17:08 | Link to Comment balanced
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That's right! All that white phosphorus that Israel drops on Palestinian men, women, and children, that's for the redemption of the human race.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 00:13 | Link to Comment Hacked Economy
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Oh, Michael, there you are!  Your avatar pops up every now and then in the comments, teasing us like an online game of whack-a-mole.  It was the oddly familiar sound of your high-pitched anti-Semitic ranting that drew me over here to look for your fungus-green hair.

Now hold still for a minute while I go back to my shed and get the mallet...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:38 | Link to Comment true brain
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So much hunger during WWII , only to be repeated over and over, and over and over and over and over.......

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Fat Americans can go hungry for a long time before BMI comes back into the normal range.

 

In fact that will solve the healthcare cost crisis. Fat fuckers dying off or becoming less fat.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:19 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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TAFAS: Truly, now, you are a British Officer?

LAWRENCE: Yes.

TAFAS: From Cairo?

LAWRENCE: Yes.

TAFAS: You did not ride from Cairo?

LAWRENCE: No. Thank Heavens. It's nine hundred miles; I came by boat.

TAFAS: And before? From Britain?

LAWRENCE: Yes.

TAFAS: Truly?

LAWRENCE: From Oxfordshire.

TAFAS: Is that a desert country?

LAWRENCE: No; a fat country; fat people.

TAFAS: You are not fat?

LAWRENCE: No. I'm different... Here, take it.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:18 | Link to Comment xela2200
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A Ford Pinto?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 22:22 | Link to Comment Clueless Economist
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LIETUVA Mr Gidas

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Gidas19
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Brangi Tevyne!

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment passwordis
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Better yet just burn the hummer!

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 11:33 | Link to Comment Gidas19
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I'm a conservative Lithuanian, I dont drive a hummer, but I feel sorry for the idiots that do... 

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 14:54 | Link to Comment ihedgemyhedges
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"I guess I have to let my hummer go....."

I let hummers go about a year or so after I said "I do.".......................................should've just stayed on the dating scene..................

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Another Texan
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Got Farm? I do.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:26 | Link to Comment xela2200
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Is it located in in the US?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:00 | Link to Comment prains
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Got a heart rate that can 200 bpm for long enough not to die

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment monoloco
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Dear Bibi, 

All future purchases of military hardware must be paid for in advance.

Regards,

Barack

 

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment prole
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Dear Beebee,

Just kidding!! Our tax slaves will keep funding your party as usual,

"Proceed!"

Signed,

Barry, Georgie, Hillbilly, Senior, and friends

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:21 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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... only if you have a spare monitor ...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:51 | Link to Comment fuu
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It's George Carlin.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 15:55 | Link to Comment navy62802
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We'll see how many people are rooting for war with Iran when they're paying $8 or $10 for a gallon at the pump.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:09 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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Yeah. Then they'll vote for Romney, an even worse ZOGstooge than Obama.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:07 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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-- Will Hunting had it right 14 years ago, bitchez - YouTube

Okay, that was dramatic fiction that I find of the 'art imitating life' variety.

 

Below is reality:

The wheels of statist control are already coming off. Be hopeful. Would you have thought, assuming that you had been aware of what The Federal Reserve really is and represents, that animus towards and awareness of The Federal Reserve would grow like it has, a mere decade ago?

Escape velocity has already been reached at this point. The more they accelerate the actions that got us to where we are, the faster they kill the present system.

Robert David Steele (not a 'tin foiler': I dare anyone here to defy what he has to say at link below) predicted everything that's happening (he's not a 'savior' or 'prophet' - he's a former CIA & Military Intelligence Officer who founded The U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence Center).

He accurately predicted that intelligence services are coming after bloggers (years ago), because 80% of 'intelligence activity' is merely interpreting patterns, that bloggers and their readers have already sparked the next revolution (in whatever form it takes), and that central banks will fall. Gird your servers well, bitchez.

If you or people you talk to doubt that the U.S. form of government (a Republic - a form of representative government limited/constrained by the rule of constitutional law) is in serious jeopardy, you only need cite NDAA 2012 as proof [assuming the final check & balance that is the Supreme Court doesn't overturn it at first chance]. You don't need cite anything else, though you could find and cite much.

Check out what he says about Operation Trailblazer, Iraq, how congressman mapped out the exact cost that it would take lobbyists to 'buy' the U.S. government back in the 1990's, precisely what the role of The Federal Reserve is, and how incredibly clear and simple the solutions to what ails the CITIZENS of the United States and world are, and I challenge anyone to tell me or anyone else how and/or why, with specifics, he's wrong.

[Remember that the percentage of the population that needs to be aware is a fairly low threshold, historically around 3% (III) or so]:

 

Former CIA Agent's Message to America
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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alright, I'll bite.

listened to the full 8+ min. - there were some "well known" lines, a couple of cringe worthy ones, but overall nothing most of us *here* don't already acknowledge. . . most of us. . .

a couple of things I did find of interest:

the link was uploaded March 22, 2011 - *waves* at Chumba

and then this, from 23 Feb 2012:

Robert David Steele ends campaign for the Reform Party presidential nomination


He said the following via e-mail:

I got zero traction within the party — I scared them with my wild ideas of creating a team — and I got zero traction with Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein, and Gary Johnson (personal direct contact) as well as zero traction with Ron Paul (two letters) and Dennis Kucinich (one letter, two staff emails).  Bottom line is that no one is interested in actually getting right.  Rocky was a particular disappointment.  He called me.  I suggested he run for the Reform Party nomination and leverage that to be included in all the debates.

My gut feeling is that none of the candidates are taking our crisis seriously — they are all playing a personal  game, not a team game, and I just do not see a positive outcome in the near term.

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/02/robert-david-steele-en...

all presented without (my) comment.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:03 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Oh, it's moot whether he or any 3rd party successfully challenge the establishment.

IMO, the change he speaks of via the blogosphere, which has already sparked the consciousness of that which only has to be a small % of the total population to effectuate substantive change, has already happened.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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well that's something we can certainly agree on!

Oh, it's moot whether he or any 3rd party successfully challenge the establishment.

and yes, given that this seems to be an older recorded broadcast (he's referring to Bush as pres), what he says about bloggers being the only space where truths can find readers, it would appear he's made his point.

it was a notable listen - but y'know me, I'm always waiting for the "next" shoe to fall - he was an "insider" and he's still "around" - so how much new stuff can he be sharing, truthfully. . .

you still get my upvotes *smile*

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:46 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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I think you're right.  It'll probably be awhile before you see Americans with bread on their heads, but most people I interact with are at best contemptuous of any claim that the Federal government is a legitimate authority. 

Everyone knows the gummit can kill ya, lock ya up, take your property, destroy your livelihood or your family, subject you to unwanted medical procedures, etc...this is totally understood. 

But no one I know is *happy* about that.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:36 | Link to Comment defencev
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 You are wrong. From what I gather the restarting negotiations with Iran present the last chance to the former to stop their nuclear program. If not, Israeli attack is imminent with full support of US. Short and victorious war with the goal to destroy Iran nuclear facilities is 100 percent in US interests (because it will destoy Iran ambitions to trade oil in anything but US dollars). Such a war will be logical. Because a part of being world reserve currency means that the correponding country has a dominating military power and show it from time to time. However, such an outcome (short and victorious war) will guarantee Obama reelection.

Which is (overall) will be a disastful outcome. I have absolutely no doubts that Nobel Piece Prize winner is smart enough to make this simple calculation. Therefore, get ready (unless,of course, Iran back off the very last minute which I doubt).

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:50 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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It doesn't matter which party is in charge; quit buying into the false left-right/right-left bullshit paradigm they've set up as detour for the majority to follow.

The Democrats will vote to allow gay 18+ year olds to serve in the military, while the Democrats & Republicans will jointly vote to send other peoples' kids, straight and gay, to go die in some God-forsaken place to further the interests of the elite insiders at the expense of the overwhelming majority of their alleged 'constituents.'

This is what happens when the puppet masters take over all allegedly 'different' political parties:

 

"Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws."

 

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Jake88
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There is one party in the US.  It is called the CFR.  Their little left right liberal conservative show is genius.  The "parties" have one half of the country fighting and hating the other half. Meanwhile the agenda of the CFR plutocracy moves forward unhindered no matter which one of their puppets is elected.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Defence - Not sure why you got negative votes for you logic but if Iran happens, I'll take the other side of the trade for post election. We only have a year to find out. I do hope we are both wrong.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:08 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Because all wars end up short and victorious. Right?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 23:37 | Link to Comment RichardP
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How long did it take Israel to destroy the nuclear facilities in Iraq and Syria.  And did it take a war to do it?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:27 | Link to Comment knukles
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I attended a nice luncheon the other day where the speaker was a well respected, published academic specializing in ME affairs.  And "let me tell you" as my mom, God bless her soul, used to say, this was a rootin' tootin' light the animal spirirts, bomb the piss out of the little Godless bastards holding us hostage (for whatever we can conjure at the moment but we're not really sure and it doesn't fucking matter 'cause who knows what the little fuckers are going to do... can't trust them rag heads) including the horrible life of Chralie's Uncle Ted who was born without a spine, need to do it in self defense and Goddamnit, if we wait the Taliban will be running our healthcare system.
Seriously.

The classic Bernaysian scare mongering fear based perceptions management.

This hacademic specializes (BTW) in non-proliferation and peaceful resolution studies.
And his "handler" was overheard whilst exiting the function that they were going to be quite busy for the next several weeks/months what with this speaking circut that he's on.
NFW, folks, this was nothing but a preplanned propaganda effort to gin the "intellectual" and monied interests into supporting a war.
The chap didn't quite explain why there should be a war, but man, he got people's blood boiling!

Go figure....
And then, here's this....

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:28 | Link to Comment kill switch
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Your Mother was one sharp cookie!!!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:17 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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here's to ginnin the intellect to whom to are addressing the hacademoniac, curly!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:56 | Link to Comment Kali
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OR getting drafted for the war.  Can we even fight this war without one?  I bet these 3 and 4 tours of duty soldiers are just happy as fuck to go to Iran next.  I can't stand any of this shit anymore.  I need more booze and drugs for this weekend.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:39 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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I just had a two hour conversation on my front porch with a two tour Afghanistan veteran I'd never met before who has various steel plates and replacement parts. No job, seemingly lost in America but a real good sort. I have faith that he has the wherewithal to get his life together but having heard his stories I don't trust his luck.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:44 | Link to Comment sun tzu
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I don't see anyone in the US rooting for a war with Iran except for the politicians and a few talking heads

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 03:37 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Really?

Selective sight...

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment prole
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I agree with the Chinese troll. Every lumpen form I come across, is unifomly against Those Moslems 'over there' quickly rationalizing/minimizing atrocities, basically totally on-board all aggressive wars and hopes the military can be unleashed from ROE so they can "really win"

Oh and they view Moslems "over there" as sub-human, blame them for what we "have to do" (should say "we")

And they have internally switched their allegiance from the US to another country, a special country.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:07 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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We love War. It's a spectator sport.

 

I respectfully disagree.  Everyone gets to participate at the pump.

BTW...any word on the 6 holdouts?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment navy62802
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I'm sure they'll be "convinced" soon enough.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:37 | Link to Comment bobola
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I respectfully disagree. 

Those who drive combustion engines get to participate at the pump.

Liberate your bicycles, folks...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment wretch
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Long local bike stores.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment Bolweevil
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Just paid $4.91/gal. Got an ETF for those bike stores?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Tompooz
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"Got an ETF for those bike stores?"

 

Dutch municipal bonds get closest. If you don't trust the Euro, they also have NOK and AUD. :-)

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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I'll open new bicycle tire repair franchise companies. Contact me for new ground floor opportunities. 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:42 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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This may only be appropriate for those who base investment decisions on the prospect of deflation.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment ACP
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Must be why people are planning a space hotel...a giant space station with bleachers to see the action unfold and make bets.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:12 | Link to Comment MrBinkeyWhat
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I am currently reading "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" by Gibbon on my Kindle. Cut and Paste...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:28 | Link to Comment knukles
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Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:30 | Link to Comment kill switch
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No!! Goebbels Diaries

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:44 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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David Irving. Here's a good start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKuXW2fLkz4

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:36 | Link to Comment tamboo
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irving's a big  heeb with a dubious lovely young assistant.

these dudes are the real deal:

 

Ernst Gauss (ed.): Dissecting the Holocaust
Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:04 | Link to Comment LasVegasDave
Sat, 03/17/2012 - 04:24 | Link to Comment Element
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An Inconvenient History (blog)
http://www.revblog.codoh.com/
 
 
CODOH - Committee For Open Debate On the Holocaust
Historical Revisionism Discussion forum:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewforum.php?f=2
 
 
Free downloads of many of David Irving's books:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/index.html

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:14 | Link to Comment Milestones
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Better--Try Spengler's "Decline of the West" written in 1914. He was on target.           Milestones

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Bam_Man
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George had the whole thing NAILED. And that was 20 years ago. A genius.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:44 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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DR STRANGE BOMB

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:49 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Looks like there's a new Ben in town.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:38 | Link to Comment tamboo
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you forgot the star o dave as usual.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:46 | Link to Comment Shleprock
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Great clip. Carlin nails it!

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 16:46 | Link to Comment UBIGDummy
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Don't you know, they have wait until the Enterprise can be in position for her decommisioning along with her crew.  So the attack will commence roughly as soon as or shortly after the BIG E clears the Suez Canal.  It cost alot of money to decommision Nukes.  Why not have Iran or Israel pay for the munitions for the job.  

The Big E undoubtedly will be the CLOSEST carrier group to the Iranian shores.  Going up and down, with the lights on, stereo blasting....

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:41 | Link to Comment Amagnonx
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.. running over local fishing boats and pissing over the sides.  If Iran responds with even harsh laguage, it will declared a 'deadly covert strike' against the brave men defending the dear ol' US of A.

 

ANy hope of those in charge of the US machinery refusing to obey orders to attack is unlikely I'm affraid - thats why they have state military, so people don't have to accept responsibility - they can just 'follow orders' .. from 'above' ...

When are human beings going to grow up and realize that there is no 'above' - anyone who listens, obeys, gives time to anyone claiming any authority over them is just oiling the machine thats eating their own face.  The only legitimate authority over a man is Justice, nothing else - even God takes a back seat to Justice, because if God is asking you to do something unjust - you should be giving him the finger.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 22:24 | Link to Comment UBIGDummy
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".. running over local fishing boats and pissing over the sides.  If Iran responds with even harsh laguage, it will declared a 'deadly "

 

OH MAN that was funnny, thanks alot...

seriously, I am not joking about what I said....

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 23:15 | Link to Comment Thought Processor
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Rumor has it the Big 'E' is filled to the brim with Asbestos (just like the trade center towers) and lead paint, as well as having 8 nuclear reactors on it, more than any other Navy Ship before or since.  Being the first nuclear aircraft carrier the engineers designed it to run at speed with only 6 active reactors, thinking that having two extra was a required safety margin.  As a result the ship is still the fastest Aircraft carrier afloat and she can even outrun her own escort ships, having done so on a couple of occasions .  51 years of consecutive service.   That's amazing when you think about it.

Will she be offered as bait?  False Flag target? (they've probably rigged charges somewhere in its hull just for the occasion). I think if that actually happens it will only hammer home how planned all of these events are.  It would raise some serious questions, even to the average American (not to mention the rest of the world).  Not that 911 didn't but this would wake a lot more people up around the world.  It would just be too convenient. 

But then I said that about TARP also.  

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment Normalcy Bias
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Carlin was a seer who spoke the truth. The Govt would've eliminated him if he hadn't been a comedian.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Maybe they did. I haven't seen George around recently.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 20:15 | Link to Comment Normalcy Bias
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Perhaps, but 71 years is a pretty good run for someone who lived as hard as he did, whilst offending nearly everyone along the way...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:28 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Excuse me, people.

It is roughly 2000 miles round trip Israel to Iran's targets, and yes, plural.  There is no one place that could set the Iranian nuclear program back.  It would require many targets be hit.

An Israeli F-16, with drop tanks (which eat wing space otherwise loaded with bombs) have about a 400 mile range.  

THEY CAN'T GET THERE WITHOUT AIR-TO-AIR REFUELING OVER HOSTILE TERRITORY.

A tanker would have to loiter in hostile airspace to do the refueling.  It Would Be Shot Down if there is no American intervention to persuade Iraq or Saudi Arabia to allow traverse.  And any such intervention could never be kept secret from the Iranians.

This drumbeat for an Israeli attack is almost absurd.  They have enormous logistics issues to solve to accomplish such an attack, assuming they could even identify the targets AND escape the anti air network.

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:33 | Link to Comment akak
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I never thought I would ever be rooting for the ayatollahs, but ......

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:23 | Link to Comment akak
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Oh no, I have been junked by a Zionist and/or Neocon!

My day is ruined.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:31 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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root for the people of Iran akak, and let THEM sort out their own ayatollahs. . .

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:45 | Link to Comment akak
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Good point CA.

But it must be said, the rationale for a US war against Iran today is about as "justified" as the US' invasion of Iraq in 2003 --- Or Saddam's invasion of Kuwait in 1990, or Hitler's invasion of Poland in 1939.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:54 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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couldn't agree more - amrka has had zero "justifies" for any of the invasive actions taken on nationstates since the last world-war-for-debts.

but it's the role amrka plays in the global story - the strong arm - just like isn't real plays the whiny little brother instigator. . . and even then, I often like to reverse the roles in my mind - that "wag the dog" (wag the god?) story also feels plausible.  we'll let the next week's events unfold as they've been scripted. . .

hope all goes well with you!

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 08:05 | Link to Comment Rick64
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  Hitler invaded Poland to reclaim the territory Germany lost because of the Treaty of Versailles, Saddam invaded Kuwait because they were allegedly slant drilling into Iraq territory among other reasons. Better rationale than WMDs that could be used against the U.S..

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 17:55 | Link to Comment Nobody special
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Isralies are masters of the false flag attack. They don't want to go to war with Iran. They want the US to go to war with Iran. There is no logistics issue for Israel if they make it appear as though Iran attacked the US. I'm certain they know it too.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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The Israelis will most likely pump a torpedo in that disaster waiting to happen called the USS Enterprise, using one that has a lot of Farsi writing on it. And away we go! Bang zoom to the moon Alice!

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 05:18 | Link to Comment Element
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Hey, if you want to go there ... if they can take down WT7 with prepositioned demo charges ... who the hell needs a torpedo, a mine, or anti-ship missile, let alone an actual Iranian, .. sorry, IDF attack.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:52 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Why not just refuel over Afghanistan? hahahahaha

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:16 | Link to Comment spinone
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Raethon had a bunker buster stealth cruise missile in 2008.  Its only improved since then.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/03/raytheons-sup-1/

 

They don't need F-16's.  The Iranian sites are already pre-programmed into the missiles.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:36 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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are these the "bunker busters" Net-n-yahoo supposedly gets in return for no attacks on Iran in 2012? 

or was that just last week's (s)nooz(e)?

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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Interestingly, prior to the US withdrawl from Iraq, your point would be salient, but no longer.  First, Israel would use F-15's to conduct the ground attack.  They have significantly longer combat radius than the F-16's.  Some F-16's retrofitted for increased range would likey be used to provide air support, carrying only air-to-air missiles and jamming.  The big issue with Israel doing an attack on its own was the fact that the US Air Force controlled Iraqi airspace, so there was no plausable way for Israel to attack on its own without US approval.  With the US completly out of Iraq, its airspace is essentially unguarded.  Iraq has no air force to speak of nor a functional ground based air defense system.  Israeli tankers could loiter over Iraq for hours with impunity.  By tanking in route and after an attack on Iran, Israel's F-15's should have adequate range to hit all of Iran's known nuclear facilities.  Tactically, it will would still be a challenging mission, but it's not impossible.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Legit rebuttal.

But Israel has no KC135s.  Their tankers are cobbled together C130s.  These are not stealth aircraft we're talking about.  The C130s would have to invade Iraqi airspace and loiter for an hour or two until the fighters arrived for refill, then . . . not sure but I suspect return to base to be replaced by other C130s to do the refill for the fighters enroute home.

These are not stealth aircraft.  The air traffic control radar for civilian aircraft would show it all happening.  There are plenty of Iran sympathizers in Iraq.

There would be 4-5 hours warning to Iran.

The traverse has to be of Jordan, too, btw.  Dunno what their air defense looks like.  Their civilian radar certainly works.  

I think the overall point here is this is not an attack of an Iraq reactor in 1981.  This is hundreds of miles farther away.  I don't see this as a credible mission.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:06 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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Israel has some converted 707's, upgraded in recent years with the same refueling boom as the KC135.  They've had them since the early 1980's.  No, no stealth aircraft.  They'd rely heavily on conventional jamming.  Jordan's air force is nothing to write home about, but politically, Jordan is unlikely to interfere.  They'll just claim the Israeli raids went through Syria's airspace, not implausable.  Syria's air force wasn't anything to write home about, even without a civil war going on.  Yes, Iraq would certainly provide an hour or two advance notice (not 4 - 5), but that wouldn't be a decisive advantage/disadvantage.  There is absolutely nothing over Western Iraq.  Israel could have their tankers loiter there, defended by a couple F-16's.  Their bluster aside, Iran's air force and air defense are not up to the challenge of thwarting an Israeli raid.  They rely on older Chinese fighters and even older Chinese knockoffs of Russian SAM's.

Is it different than the 1981 raid.  Some aspects will be easier, the jamming and accuracy of the bombs, while some aspects will be harder, the long distance and the large number of targets.  Iss it a credible mission, yes.  Is it easy, no.  Blowing up a functioning nuclear reactor might create some "issues" too.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:17 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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It wouldn't surprise me if they went right for the ICBMs the deny they have.

Whole irony is Israel denies to say if they have nukes, everyone knows they do. But they're peaceful, and even attacking is considered peaceful. That's really f'ed up.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment BigJim
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I've been wondering - why are we all assuming they have to make it all the way back to Israel?

They could just ditch on their way back and be collected from the middle of the Iraqi/Jordanian desert. And the Israelis are just as fanatical as the Muslims - why wouldn't they agreee to a semi-suicide mission for the 'homeland'?

The US will supply Israel all the new replacement planes it wants.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 04:14 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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"the US withdrawl from Iraq"

 

You really believe we are fully out of Iraq? Even the NYT admits to this:

 

Even after the formal withdrawal, the military still has two bases in Iraq and roughly 4,000 troops.

 

from article in Feb. 2012: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories...

 

So how much did we(as in US taxpayers) spend on that embassy in Iraq...

 

I'm willing to bet we still have hardware in the air there yet as well...

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:22 | Link to Comment Milestones
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2 or 3 rogue USA F-16's could end the whole thing-take out the refuelers.           Milestones

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 21:11 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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New York Times Headline...

Obama Thwarts Israli Attack on Iran.  Orders Israeli aircraft shot down... in other news President's job approval gaps down.  Pollster says support from Jews has "vanished".  AIPAC creates superpac for GOP.

Bibi hates Obama enough, he might make that an October surprise, even if it wasn't true.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 22:18 | Link to Comment CompassionateFascist
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No, not October; onset of war that close to election would probably help Obama. Best for ZOG c. July-August, then it'll drag on and on as gas price goes to $10/gal. and sticks there. Then Romney and his neo-con handlers in like flint.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 23:53 | Link to Comment JOYFUL
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 -"Israeli F-16, with drop tanks ...have about a 400 mile range"

The trip from Azerbaijan Zato controlled airfields to the three northernmost Iranian nuke facilities is less than 500 miles. Fully ordananced israeli assets have been sitting ready there for a year or more.

Egress route will be over northern Iraq, with refueling in Kurdish territory, then home to israhell.

Logistical issues have been long solved, an efficient network of mossad-led CIA funded Iranian spies long ago mapped out all targets, anti-aircraft defences heavily weighted towards the decoy southern approaches. Only political issues left to solve.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 02:04 | Link to Comment chindit13
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You state with an implied assumption of fact things which are purely speculative and your own opinion.  That being said, I'll add to your opinion with my own.....

If Iraq is a route, it can only be via Kurdish territories, as you suggest.  If the US has any friends left in Iraq (dubious) these would only be amongst the already-once-betrayed Kurds.  PM Nouri al-Maliki, a Shi'a, despises the US.  He is also running a regime as brutal as what was overthrown, with his ire directed toward Sunnis, but soon enough against any remaining US personnel.  At some point the masses in the US will see that "nothing has changed" in Iraq, that there is no democracy, that the US made more enemies than it already had, and that every dime spent and every life lost on all sides was for absolutely nothing.  Waste waste waste.

Iraq will be viewed historically as a far greater mistake than even Vietnam, because at least US errors in Vietnam have faded into history as Vietnam has partially embraced capitalism and offers it own population the chance for a better life than it had when it was a separated nation.  Iraq will not be anything other than what it was before, albeit with better relations with Iran than would ever have been possible under Sunni Saddam.

Even if one puts aside the horrors of war and the immorality of a war of choice, what is left post Iraq is an example of abject incompetence heretofore unknown, even by US political standards.  Those who think there was some Master Plan and some secretive Mandarins pulling strings behind the scenes are, in my opinion, woefully naive and just cannot accept that leadership is simply stupid and incompetent (that is NOT an opinion).

If there was any competence whatsoever shown in the entire Iraqi debacle---and this is cynical---it was by those who benefited financially from it.  These people did not drive the policy (idiot idealogues drove policy), but they piggybacked off of the stupidity in order to enrich themselves.

Afghanistan is the same story.  Whatever justification there might have been for the original strikes on al Qaeda training camps, nothing good and everything bad followed that.  The al Qaeda training camps were replaced by life-fire, on-the-job training in Iraq.  The US stayed in Afghanistan with this amorphous goal of "nation-building", and then when the US finally realized that was not possible, the only reason the US stayed (other than the fact that Generals know it is easier to get another star during wartime than peacetime) is because the US could not define the measure of success, so did not want to leave until it could define it and then announce it had been achieved.

Now that Karzai hates the US almost as much as Nouri al Maliki, and absolutely nothing positive can be achieved, the US will draw down.  In fact, by early summer Obama will be making announcements in this regard, just in time for the campaign.  Playing with lives, just like Bush before him.

To be honest, this crap angers me more than anything Bernanke or Geithner have done, and those two have made me apoplectic.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 04:33 | Link to Comment akak
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But you forget Chindit --- "We have to fight them over there so we won't have to fight them over here".

 

I jest, of course, but inside I seethe with rage at the levels of sociopathic power-lust among the neocon ringleaders, the official lies, the specious warmongering propaganda swallowed willingly by a gullible and complicit public, the wasted resources, the wasted lives, and the freedoms destroyed in the name of a futile and utterly unnecessary pre-emptive war just as much as you do.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 05:02 | Link to Comment Element
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I agree with much of your analysis here, and it is often thoughtfully (and temptingly) constructed.

But I've seen way too much (and so have you, but you won't admit to it, I guess you have your reasons) to ever accept that this stuff is the product of mere mundane incompetence.  I don't for one second accept that you came to this view, that it's all simple incompetence, due to an honest evaluation of what's known and the sequence of events.  The evidence for on-going conspiracy and subterfuge, backed by endless lies and cover-ups is replete and overwhelming, and goes back as far as you care too look, beyond any of our births.

Either you decidedly filter it all out always, and you have in fact said you do, and that you look down on others who don't do that, which would potentially just make you ignorant if wrong, rather than civil and shrewd.  Or else, you know it's real and are simply pretending its not.  Otherwise you still hope it's not real, and have decided this will remain your position until further notice. Or alternatively you dare not face up to it--period.

I don't know which.

But it was a pretty good attempt to appeal to the common desire for 'sensibleness' and rationality of analysis and conclusion though.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 08:47 | Link to Comment JOYFUL
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Not quite cricket, old chap, to hold your own opinions as 'fact' and call the other guys' 'speculation.' I've seen you play a sharper game in the past, so I'm less offended than disappointed.

It is nothing more than speculation on your part to assume that conditions at Azeri airflieds of the moment are other than what I have described. Were you to offer an opinion to the contrary for review, I could see that working better; at least there would be something other than greased pig to go after. Surely you're not saying that if it hasn't been mentioned by DEBKA or STRATFOR it can't be true!>?!?

But that is the Chindit style! Someone makes a fuss about israeli moving companies in NJ, or art students in CA, and they are "painfully naive' or something to that effect. Everybody's a speculator cept our man in Imphal. Having once been on everybodys' need to know list, the ex-officer disallows that anyone else can ever be ín the know, you know?!?

But today spring is in the air, the sky is robin's egg blue, the sun is warm, and it's always endearing to have a word from the man in the pressed linen suit, with the British Israel pamphlets - so I'm going to be generous and give you another clay to shoot at. But this time remember, you've got to aim before pulling the trigger...here's nothing to be gained from getting apoplectic!

Israelis have been extensively identified as involved in the WTC attack activities and having inside knowledge of the flights and time of attack.

Feel free to identify which elements of my statement are "ímplied assumption of fact," "purely speculative", or merely my opinion. And if you find it a tad bothersome, just DO IT FOR ENGLAND~! Cheerio!

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 05:14 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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There are places to stop and load fuel for the inbound jets. It only takes a few minutes.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Amagnonx
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In my experience I have found one thing that dwarfs even the staggering dimensions of the universe itself, that is human stupidity - infinite in scale, scope and dimension.

If it is at all possible to screw something up - you can be sure human stupidity will find a way.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment holdingontomypants
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Looks like new fuel storage capabilities has come along for the F-16's and other fighter aircraft. Besides, I think their F-16's would be used in a escort role for their F-15's who would be carrying the bunker buster bombs. http://defense-update.com/products/c/F-16-CFT.htm

 

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 17:43 | Link to Comment The Heart
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Has anyone even noticed that all this rhetoric started up just after the announcement that the obama/soetero birth certificate is a FORGERY and a fraud?

Funny how that orwellian distraction psychology of 'no-truth' sprinkled with lots of yellow journalism fear sauce is hungrily lapped up by the sheeple masses.

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Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:03 | Link to Comment newworldorder
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Sad but true. Especially for those that don't have any skin in the game in the form of universal service. How different our fealings might be if most of our sons or daughters were serving in uniform? But never mind, - we live in a "volunteer" society and those that voluntered must take their chances.

Far be it from Congress to stand up and follow their Constitutional mandates.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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Your exactly right, they had more wars and more reality entertainment of Gladiators and such to keep the peoples mind off of the empires bankruptcy and it's death.  What really should tell you that war is about to start is SWIFT not letting Iranian banks have access to them and in turn the banking system of th world.  We will be attacking Iran real soon.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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amazing link thanks.  from 1992 ta boot

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:26 | Link to Comment Two Towers AU AG
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Passover begins April 6th and ends on April 14th.. I guess Israel will do nothing prior to that..

But after April 14th..  ( vote or no vote) All bets are off and I would not bet on that timeline.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 20:55 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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An attack on Passover might be easily thwarted by the Iranians who could fortify all their positions by swabbing the door posts with hyssops soaked in lamb's blood.

Sat, 03/17/2012 - 16:19 | Link to Comment holdingontomypants
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And because many would have that same thought process about passover being a no-go time the element of surprise would be at its greatest to do it during passover.

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