Broken Market Chronicles: Nasdaq Proposes To Make Legal What Exchanges Have Been Doing Illegally For Years

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Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:45 | 1826291 Schmuck Raker
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Sooo..."If it ain't 'fixed', break it?"

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:48 | 1826306 Dental Floss Tycoon
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One market for the big boys and a little toy market for us.

So what changed?

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 15:50 | 1826649 whstlblwr
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Translated: the market will be, for all intents and purposes, officially two-tiered and terminally broken.

Translated: the market controlled by government. Bailout for insiders only. One market for government manipulations and no free market for us.

We need class action lawsuit against SEC.

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 07:56 | 1831164 Ted K
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This is a scam run by private brokerages and ETFs.  So it's the brokerages in FINRA causing the price manipulations, not the "evil gov".  If you had reading comprehension past the Glenn Beck level you'd know that, you damned idiot.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:54 | 1826321 Racer
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Yes thoroughly break it so no human life form will touch it and  the snakes feed on themselves until they eat their own tails

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:45 | 1826299 ziggy59
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It's called CYA! If you make crime legal, no one goes to jail.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:45 | 1826301 disabledvet
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This is a little too inside baseball for me. All it makes me think of is Europe trying to scuttle the deal between the NYSE and Deutche Bourse as "monopolistic." A "monopoly in trading activity" for the entirety of an equity exchange would quite a monopoly indeed. It might "push" it's only true rival (the Nasdaq) in a "regulatory aggressive" direction.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:49 | 1826310 LawsofPhysics
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Wow, just wow.  Of course this makes sense, a properly functioning free market with true price discovery would not allow all the manners of skimming we have already.  No way anyone currently profiting from these markets wants a properly functioning market.  Especially the big boys.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:51 | 1826314 0cz
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This is just setting up the legal framework for when Goldman Sachs will soon use quantum entanglement technology to not only manipulate the markets now, but they will soon be able to manipulate the markets in the past, present and future. 

Looks like my degree in temporal mechanics and quantum spintronics is going to be useful after all!

Goldman Sachs has been hunting for a technology they can use to increase the effeciency of their conquest to steal wealth from people before the wealth even exists.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:35 | 1826406 Uncle Sam
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"We found many symbols with trade executions that appeared several hundred milliseconds before the quotes that could have produced them."

This is no different from what they proved at CERN, that Einstein was wrong and electrons can travel faster than the speed of light. This is quantum disentanglement, and does prove it is possible to steal wealth before wealth even exists.

The creation of the Federal Reserve, despite 'The Creature From Jekyll Island', is nothing more than a 'quantum time machine future wealth absorbption unit'. It is the pinnacle of German engineering, and we should wholeheartedly embrace it. They clearly have our best interest at heart. Financial science is our friend.

Or not.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:52 | 1826435 Darth..Putter
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Bet you were surprised when you found all the formulas were already there in the ancient religious texts, poetry, and fairy tales. 

 

Zombie Markets Unite!!

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1826510 slewie the pi-rat
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this is a fabulous post, uncle sugar!

tyler can give it to his cat, schrodinger, as a tricky halloween treat

you and darth have been puttering around here for about the same short time, but i have be4en playing blackjack elimination tournamen-toes all morning, so rather than get too suspicious, i'll just say hi and welcome to the boards, BiCheZ!

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:52 | 1826317 GeneMarchbanks
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Looting looters....

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:57 | 1826326 SheepDog-One
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NASDAQ lol didnt Bernie Madoff invent that scam? Why even try to hide it anymore, the markets are a jerry-rigged joke.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:04 | 1826338 pauhana
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I have waited in vain for the SEC and/or the CFTC to do something about the quote stuffing of HFTs and their constant skimming thoughout the trading day.  How many times have we had concrete proof of what's going on only to face complete silence from the regulatory agencies?  What more proof do they need to know that this market is totally rigged for the benefit of those co-located super computers?  This isn't even a casino.  It's a disgrace.  There isn't even a pretext of protection for the small investor and yet . . . . It's enough to drive this 65 year old into the streets with the rest of the OWS protesters, for whatever good that will do.  

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 14:56 | 1826536 traderjoe
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They are the defenders of the system. The system was set up to steal from you. The system is operating within its design parameters.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:04 | 1826339 HD
Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:06 | 1826342 maxw3st
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It looks like the problem is three-fold. 1. Regulators are ignoring, or incapable of understanding the significance of the charts and data above and 2. The market is not being run through a single, integrated quote/execution system. 3. Trades are being executed arbitrarily, it would appear, based on the presumption of price rather than an actual open-interest-auction derived price. This is occurring due to a lack of coordination between multiple trading systems. A quote is made available on one system and HFT's run trades according to that price. That strike price is not being reported to other involved systems until after the trade is run. This means that those receiving quotes and trading accordingly are not getting the same opportunity to trade "at the market" the HFT's are trading at. Simply put, HFT's are front running the exchanges to the detriment of all investors other than those with HFT capacity. The easiest way to correct this would simply be to block those trades until all involved systems are reflecting the same bid and offer for every security involved. ie. before that HFT trade is run according the quote from one system that system needs to check the others to assure that all are reflecting the same quote.

Once executed, of course, a trade will probably affect the price quoted. Before a second trade is run a check needs to be made that all systems have been updated to reflect the volume data and subsequent price changes involved. In short, the trading platforms need to be brought into sync. before trades are executed, not after the fact. Removing this source of arbitrage that HFT's have been exploiting would probably dramatically decrease the volume of HFT trading.

And that gets to the real problem here. It's probable that none of the trading system operators want to do anything to decrease the volume of HFT trades since they get paid transaction fees for each trade. They are desperately hoping the system is  complex enough that nobody (other than HFT algo's) will notice it's going on.

Bottom line is that if you want to have the fair, electronic trading system that most believe they are using then all these different platforms need to run through a common filter that provides bids and offers to all trading platforms at the same time.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:08 | 1826348 pauhana
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Can I get an "amen?"

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 14:35 | 1826469 paulbain
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MaxW3st wrote:

 

 

It looks like the problem is three-fold. 1. Regulators are ignoring, or incapable of understanding the significance of the charts and data above and 2. The market is not being run through a single, integrated quote/execution system. 3. Trades are being executed arbitrarily, it would appear, based on the presumption of price rather than an actual open-interest-auction derived price. This is occurring due to a lack of coordination between multiple trading systems. A quote is made available on one system and HFT's run trades according to that price. That strike price is not being reported to other involved systems until after the trade is run.

 

 

 

Max West, thank you for explaining this matter in layman's language. I still do not completely understand the problem, but your explanation greatly helped me nevertheless. Tyler Durden's explanation, by contrast, confused me completely.

 

-- Paul D. Bain

paulbain@pobox.com

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 21:21 | 1827141 myne
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It could be as simple as clock squew at those timeframes.

Essentially, the servers will be synching with Network Time Protocol. A protocol that runs over the internet. By nature this means it is not perfect.

The timing signal is then updated and synchronised with the mainboard's onboard crystal. Another source of unreliability. They're accurate enough for most things, but a single cycle per second less than the benchmark will add up over time. Let's say it's a relatively standard 30,000hz crystal running at 29,999 hz. After 1 hour it's down 3600hz which amounts to 1.2 millionths of a second.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:15 | 1826363 navy62802
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Got gold?

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:16 | 1826364 ArkansasAngie
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My daughter just sent me a photo of a sign that says "Jail the banksters -- Free Pot Smokers"

Now that's a philosophy that I can get on board with. 

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:21 | 1826374 SilverDoctors
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Zerohedge should start a pool on if/when there will ever be the first bankster jailing from this mess...

http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:25 | 1826384 HD
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What would be the point if everyone picks "never"....

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:31 | 1826393 adr
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That is pretty easy. The answer you are looking for is never.

A better pool is which day will a chairman of Goldman be thrown from the top of a NY highrise by an angry mob?

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:35 | 1826402 JR
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This is what it looks like at the end; you can’t live on paper. Ask anybody in Zimbabwe.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 14:02 | 1826447 prophet
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Is that a Jack-o'-latern I see in those NANEX charts?

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 14:05 | 1826451 max2205
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Hence 'late tape' in this day and age

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 14:59 | 1826543 billsykes
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Would this be akin to what used to happen in the pits when a trade was placed for a customer- slipage?

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 15:13 | 1826581 Bansters-in-my-...
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Fuk You...Uncle Sam.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 16:37 | 1826721 dizzyfingers
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All suspicions are now confirmed?

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 17:03 | 1826757 Carnegie_IB
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Broken yes. but what difference does this make if I am trading periodicity longer than miliseconds? ie. trading 15 min, 30 min, 60 min, daily price moves? 

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 17:11 | 1826768 Caviar Emptor
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Back to a system like in the 1900s: trading INside the exchange, and trading OUTside the exchange on the actual street (hence the slang term "what the street sez" )

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 18:35 | 1826866 catch edge ghost
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Oh crap.  Another world-as-we-know-it-ending systemic shift that will go ignored by nearly all of the people it harms.

I should spend days better educating myself so that I might educate others and create awareness. I'll read every paper, every proposal, every everything ever written by everyone ever named Saluzzi or posted by Nanex. I will win this time.

Because the truth always wins out. And let us never forget the Spirit of 1776 and Liberty and America and, um, uhh, Truth and Justice, and Change, and America. 

I like clipper ships.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 23:06 | 1827406 swani
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Join OWS bitchez!

But seriously, isn't there an anti-trust issue here? Isn't there a law suit? Something?

I mean the mood is right to take action. It's now or never.   

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 02:34 | 1827751 connda
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The market's already broken.  Now their just grinding the remains into dust.  The big pieces go to the 0.01%.  The dust goes to the 99.99% of the peons.  Let them eat cake -- or iPods.

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