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Bundesbank: "Mein Entschluss: Anschluss-Plus" - Germany Reveals The European Annexation Blueprints

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We were wondering how long it would be before Germany, following in the footsteps of such luminaries as Hank Paulson and Tim Geithner, would formally announce to the world that with it now openly calling the shots in Europe, it would be its way or the mutual assured destruction way. We just got our answer courtesy of the just released August Outlook from the Bundesbank, in which the German national bank lays out the framework of the upcoming European anschluss play by play, as Germany prepares to roll out the Fourth Reich welcome mat without ever spilling a drop of blood. After all: why injure the soon to be millions of debt slaves? To wit from the report: "Unless and until a fundamental change of regime occurs involving an extensive surrender of national fiscal sovereignty, it is imperative that the no bail-out rule that is still enshrined in the treaties and the associated disciplining function of the capital markets be strengthened, and not fatally weakened." Translation: "we will gladly help everyone out... in exchange for a little of that vastly overrated fiscal sovereignty... Did we say a little? We meant all of it..."

Here are the salient points from the just released Bundesbank manifesto of Mutual Assured Anschluss or else:

Overall, there is a risk that the originally agreed institutional framework of the monetary union will increasingly become eroded.

As noted, there is but one proposed solution:

Unless and until a fundamental change of regime occurs involving an extensive surrender of national fiscal sovereignty, it is imperative that the no bail-out rule that is still enshrined in the treaties and the associated disciplining function of the capital markets be strengthened, and not fatally weakened.

You want your stupid brilliant monetary union? Fine.

You want us to pay for it? Sure.

The cost? Your "extensive" national independence.

Full passage:

The recent resolutions transfer sizeable additional risks to the countries providing assistance and their taxpayers, and go a long way towards communitising risks caused by unsound public finances and misguided macroeconomic policies in individual euro-area countries. This weakens the foundations of monetary union, which is based on the principles of national fiscal responsibility and the disciplining effect of capital markets, without noticeably increasing the influence and control over individual national fiscal policies as a quid pro quo. Overall, there is a risk that the originally agreed institutional framework of the monetary union will increasingly become eroded. While fiscal policy will continue to be determined by democratically elected parliaments at national level, the resultant risks and burdens will increasingly be borne by the Community in general and the financially sound countries in particular, without this being offset by any concrete powers to intervene in the sovereignty of national fiscal policies. No comprehensive change in the European treaties is currently envisaged that would democratically empower a central entity to exert some control over national budgetary policies. This means there is a danger that the euro-area countries’ propensity to incur debt may increase even further, and the euro area’s single monetary policy will be increasingly susceptible to the temptation to adopt an accommodating stance. Unless and until a fundamental change of regime occurs involving an extensive surrender of national fiscal sovereignty, it is imperative that the no bail-out rule that is still enshrined in the treaties and the associated disciplining function of the capital markets be strengthened, and not fatally weakened.

h/t Geoffrey Batt


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Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:28 | 1585589 caerus
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"extensive surrender of national fiscal sovereignty" wow...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:05 | 1585732 trav7777
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yeah, they just came right out and said it...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:33 | 1585826 Crisismode
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Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:15 | 1585980 He_Who Carried ...
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Stop cryin' bitcheez, 'cause: deutschen Wesen

wird die Welt genesen!



Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:39 | 1586111 Buckaroo Banzai
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Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Euro!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:13 | 1586251 Rynak
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But seriously..... those banks represent "germany"? Just as current types of "democracy" do not represent the population, the banks that control said "democracy" do not represent the population. No one here likes inflation. If it were about me, kill those parasites.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:18 | 1586275 eureka
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Nah, it's more like Germany is the Tea Party of Europe - teaching everybody to save rather than spend - and better than the Tea Party in the sense that Germany produces rather than speculates, and, isn't pro military empire, i.e. has s symetrical philosophy.

I say let Germany run U.S. as well. Ah, what the hell - run the whole world.

Non-Speculative - Productive - Tea Party Austerity Uber Alles, Bitchez.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:21 | 1586293 Ahmeexnal
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Wrong. Germany wants the PIIGS to impose austerity measures on their populace: lower wages, no benefits.

BUT...Germany wants the PIIGS to keep SPENDING ON JUNK GERMAN IMPORTS like it's 1999!

You can't have your cake and eat it too, can you?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:10 | 1586528 Great Dane
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I have never seen this 'Made In Germany 'junk", as you put it.  hmmm...BMW,Porsche,Mercedes,Volkswagon,Siemens,etc.....?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:45 | 1586677 malek
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Well SOMEONE has to pay the German pensions, right? The diminishing German working-age population cannot shoulder that...

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 11:47 | 1797312 dugorama
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have you confused Germany and China?  "junk German imports" .  junk?  like their best-in-the-world machine tools?  or a BMW M3?  yes, I'll take more German junk

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:18 | 1586277 Ahmeexnal
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Dr. Vannevar Bush was correct in pointing out that Operation Paperclip would bring the downfall of democracy in the US.

The germans have robbed the PIIGS of their future.  It only takes one brave soul to stand up against the sauronite Imperio Tedesco.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:17 | 1586547 schadenfreude
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You should differentiate your statment. It was not the Germans, that robbed the PIIGS, but the corporations which are held mostly by anglo-american fianance and the finance elite of the world as well.

As a German taxpayer I worked for the PIIGS living beyond their means on debit, which will never be paid back.....THANKS for working for nothing!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:57 | 1586462 Zeilschip
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Stahlhelme und panzerfauste bitchez!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:38 | 1586104 SWRichmond
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Lebensraum, bitches.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:21 | 1586291 Crack-up Boom
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... but what precisely does that mean? 

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 11:49 | 1797321 dugorama
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from google translate: the German character will heal the world!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:07 | 1585734 slaughterer
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Looks like Jim O'Neill got his answer from the Bundesbank.  Would not be surprised to find out that a few ex-Goldmanites were in on the final formulation of this plan.  Very high-handed rhetoric, a different species of FLUFF.    Problem is, it is impractical, and will lead to much heated debate and no action.  I guarantee the Bundestag in September will have even more brinksmanship and bickering than the US debt ceiling fiasco.  Do not expect calm European markets in September.  Those who are picking up Eurozone CDSs this month are making the right move.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:10 | 1585754 Quintus
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I don't think the Germans can make it any clearer that they have no intention of rescuing the Eurozone at the expense of their own economy.  However, they are not willing to be the ones who say it directly.

This statement looks to me very similar to when an insurance company really doesn't want your business, so they just give you a ridiculous quote to make you go away.

The Germans are setting Europe a ridiculous, politically impossible, price for their help, in the hope that Europe will say 'Fuck it - we're not going to pay that'.  

Thus, Germany comes out looking like the good guy who tried to help, but alas! their generous offer was rejected.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:26 | 1585805 A Man without Q...
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You know, the German government was very surprised to learn the extent of the deceit in Greece about debt levels, and the things like the swap trade, which were also done by others.  It is slowly dawning on them that since the beginning of the single currency, many nations have borrowed far more than they promised, or than they admitted, in the expectation Germany will bail them out.  The poor Germans seem to lack a certain degree of street smarts (which I think comes from killing or expelling all the Jews, but that's another issue).  For example, the UK said we are staying out of it because half of you are a bunch of liars, but the Germans just believed the Italians and the Portuguese and the Greeks and are only now waking up the fact they have been played.  The whole Eurobond farce is an attempt to continue the charade (can I just borrow your credit card, please?  I promise I'll be more sensible this time.)

You make the point very well - Germany cannot simply say no, but it needs to give harsh enough terms that they have no choice but to reject it.  

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:42 | 1585851 Mec-sick-o
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I'm grateful you are not at German government.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:45 | 1586142 Thorlyx
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The german Godafther: He made an offer the other could not accept.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:01 | 1586208 SWRichmond
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The Germans were shamed into it.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:30 | 1586357 eureka
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For all my fellow zerohedge commentators:

You all have good points. However, you must remember that no European wants to go back to pre-EU.

Jim Rickards is long EUR, because he understands that EU integration/EU bondsEU/etc - is reality.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:47 | 1586688 malek
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Please explain to me why pre-Euro would inevitably also mean pre-EU

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 14:06 | 1586798 eureka
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Because all human institutions and businesses must grow in order to stay competitive - i.e. the EUR and the continued expanded integration of EU member countries, including sticter EU rules for sovereign fiscal discipline and Euro bonds etc - are all logical extensions of the founding purposes of EU: ever increasing integration to preclude future European national wars - and, the secondary emerging purpose: to act as a counter to U.S. uni-polar hegemony.

The only REAL obstacle to continued EU integration is US & UK - The USUKs (my term).

USUK laissez faire bankster bail out imperial capitalism - the to date primary tool of globalist financialist elite - rigged the PIIGS to fail in order to extract their equity - i.e. gold and sovereign real assets.

EU will march on - and USUKs will crumble. Watch closely next nine months.

For a perspective in support of my analysis check Jim Rickards' latest interview on

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 15:13 | 1587162 malek
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Both your mentioned "founding purposes" are phony - and I hope you know that.

- preclude future European national wars:
The main thing nowadays inhibiting the re-occurrence of wars in Europe is still the memory of WW2. As former Yugoslavia showed us, national wars between small sovereigns can easily be replaced by civil wars within a large sovereign. Forcing fringe regions to stay in line with central planned strategy or even in debt serfdom to the stronger center, without having the freedom to pursue any different route, over time increases discontent and lays the seeds for conflict.

- a counter to U.S. uni-polar hegemony:
In the end this is merely a wishful-thinking theoretical construct, as long as an agreed upon EU central military command doesn't exist. And I don't see ANY sign that will happen soon - or ever.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:13 | 1589330 eureka
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All war is financial. Soviet Union spent itself to death competing with U.S. - however, to day Russia is going up while U.S. is spending itself to death. As I said: pay attention next nine months; U.S. Empire is crashing.

EU doesn't need a lot of military to outcompete U.S. - Eu makes things everyone wants, U.S. doesn't.

End of story.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 11:27 | 1590403 malek
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I'd guess the Euro zone crashes first - but maybe they can still save the EU.
US shortly thereafter.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 14:22 | 1586888 slewie the pi-rat
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hopefully, he is also smart enuf to sell Euroz for phyzzZZZZ

added leverage, 0'course

one non-counterparty asset v ALL the styoooopid fuking currencies, no matter which wishes to "hype" today...

... for the very best of "reasons and intentions", like helping his clones make "money"

hey!  sell your USDz for Euroz! they are politically  1)correct? 2) fuked?  3) trapped, but only temporarily, since they are about to "evolve"?  4) ???????

slewie would, pick 1, 2, and 4

wtf?  or is he "doing the diversifukation dance" b/c gold is "dangerously overpriced here"?  i don't "follow" him and tyvm for not providing a link

ps:  you have v good posts and i'm not kidding

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:36 | 1585829 TheEmperor
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It is unavoidable, it is EURO destiny!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:28 | 1585591 ZeroPower
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it is imperative that the no bail-out rule that is still enshrined in the treaties and the associated disciplining function of the capital markets be strengthened

Enshrined, but not followed apparently..

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:30 | 1585597 So Close
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If I control the money I care not who makes the laws.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:20 | 1585784 carbonmutant
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"Sieg Heil"

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:30 | 1585598 lolmao500
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Well of course. Taking over Europe financially and politically was Hitler's idea in case they lost the war...  European Union was the nazis's idea.


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:46 | 1585653 Confused
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I might remind you that there is the largest population of US citizens outside of the US currently residing in military facilities on German soil.

Its all an empire by the rich. To think otherwise is foolish.


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:02 | 1585719 Oh regional Indian
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You are clearly NOT Confused! 

Vivek (ORI)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:06 | 1585733 lolmao500
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:48 | 1585870 Confused
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Thanks for the link. I will certainly read it.


And if you don't believe me, I would suggest a road trip through Germany. It might open your eyes. Hard to be soverign when the world police are in your back yard.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:08 | 1585745 IBelieveInMagic
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Guess this helps you disassociate from the horrors -- it's them!

Have you ever stopped to wonder how we enjoy this cushy lifestyle?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:31 | 1585600 Village Smithy
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I guess they have had enough of waking up in the morning to the smell of burning Benz.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:31 | 1585601 CPL
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Not one shot was fired and the war was won.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:03 | 1585724 Oh regional Indian
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hey CPL, whatever came of your dire, dire warnigns of a couple of weeks ago? Anything? Was it all rumor?


Vivek (ORI)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:04 | 1585925 CPL
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You are watching it right now, all the way through to the end of September until the first shot is fired, then it gets weirder.  The next couple of weeks you'll see many of the big players get screwed to fight for scraps at the Central Banks tables.


Only thing I'm not sure of is Libya and who's going to get control.  There are roughly 10-12 tribal groups there, unless someone does some matromonial exchange to unite the tribes, Libya is going to turn into a complete mess fast.

A couple of things that have happened sooner than thought.


1)  China is now fully capable of seizing California with the one of three Aircraft Carriers.  Contrary to the media.  The Chiense have three ships, not one.  No architect or engineer in their right mind would only build one massive weapons platform.  One for production, One for back up and One to test re-fits on.  I understand there is production for a couple more which should match or beat in terms of fire power, technology and crew versus a 30 year old US fleet.

I would go into the China vs the World arguement.  But with dozens of daily news sources discussing a Pacific Theatre, it will happen soon enough.

2) Libya

While the west friendly dicator has been deposed, we are now going to see two fronts in Libya.

Which Muslim tribe is going to run the place.  I know it's not in a white man's nature to understand what a fiefdom is, or the behaviors that go along with it, but that term "fiefdom" is what the political structure on the ground is about.

3) Egypt is about to blow up again.

4)  India is trying its hardest to tamp down on the roughly 210 million people that will starve to death because of poor crop production world wide.  While corn production is up, the corn production is not for human consumption.  human corn which requires.

5)  Venezula pulling it's physical gold.  This was a surprise.  Waiting for a couple more people to pick up whats owed

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:31 | 1586073 Ignatius J Reilly
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6) Japan.  Radioactive rice. Un-capped nuclear problem.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:37 | 1586101 CPL
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Japan is just going to get ignored.  The government will pull a Russian war stance of throwing bodies at the problem until it's buried in the bones of stupid and brave people.


Just like the Gulf is still being ignored.


Problems don't go away.  All that happens is the media goes away then nobody thinks about it.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:50 | 1586165 Ignatius J Reilly
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I'd like to hear from Archimedes.  That guy knows his stuff.


I wonder what China will do if they begin to see radiation effect their coasts.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:22 | 1586558 CPL
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Wind is blowing the wrong way.  That's why the Pacific Jetstream is carrying the radiation right over the West coast and then catching a ride to the Canuck east coast.

That airburst btw was performed during operation cross roads inthe middle of the pacific ocean btw.


If it makes you feel any better North America is getting a much smaller dose of radioactivity.  It is enough in terms of energy to give a fully grown healthy adult any variety of agressive forms of cancer and kill in weeks.

Anyone trending these news articles?

Prescription drug shortages worsen in Canada

Drug shortages lead to price gouging

Drug shortages set to reach record levels


Drug Shortages


Prescription Drug Shortages Forcing Docs, Pharmacists To Scramble Chemo drug shortage may start impacting patients Doctors alter cancer treatments to accommodate drug scarcity

This was not a trend until recently.  Same production, same demand, same costs in Q1 and Q2...yet Pharmas the last two quarters have been getting hit on profit losses?  Why?  Generics don't eat that much of the market.  What does that leave?


Someone is stockpiling them for long term demand.  Especially the cancer meds.


Here is the google trend.

Notice when it starts.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:27 | 1586581 CPL
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In a month we'll be selling radioactive food.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 14:56 | 1587030 slewie the pi-rat
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hey, CPL!

as i posted when the early lies abt fuk_u were coming in: "oncologists on the west coast are now ordering their new tesla roadsters"

re libya:  when i checked i got 143 tribes, plus the berbers;  and yes, how they "coalesce" here, politically, into 10-12 groups, provided the moQ's head is raised in a pike, will be v. intersting, especially when they realize how fuked they are by "NATO" and the "transitional goobermint", compared to the moQ! sonuva BiCh that he may be, does anyone believe that he absolutely loves (loved?) libya, especially viz-a-vis the NWO?

and jalil?  yes he certainly loves libya and the NWO, doncha think? good luck with that!  eh?

wasn't it funny over the weekend when the NWO "reported", as they went into tripoli with armor, that the moQ had "fled by sea" so everybody can just rejoice now, and, of course, surrender their arms to those who have US drones as "air cover"?

my dad recently told me that NY, the "empire state" is going to open its own casinos!  for the benefit of the poor and downtrodden who will probably receive a share, like the the tribal memberz, and, of couse, the sicilian "tribes" will be strictly forbidden to participate, doncha think?  /s/ we have any stats abt how TPTB treat varous "tribes"?  L0L!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:32 | 1585823 Herbert_guthrie
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Yes, I am also curious as to your "time is up" prediction from a couple weeks ago.

I believed you, packed up the wife and kids, and we have sat outside DIA waiting to be processed into the nuke shelter ever since.......

You wouldn't just sound an alarm on ZeroHedge based on bad rumor, now would you?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:24 | 1586565 CPL
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See above post


Besides where would you run?  Radioactivity only moves around lead.  Since there has been a lead shortage for around ten years, there aren't enough fishing wieghts to build a house out of.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 15:08 | 1587142 Herbert_guthrie
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Running in circles might prevent neutrons from fixing themselves to cells. It hasn't been proven, but so far I am non-cancerous!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:47 | 1587963 Ahmeexnal
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So that's why they removed lead from paint.

Now your walls can't protect you from radiation.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:31 | 1585603 Azannoth
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Nothing new the Bankers put the burden on the (German) taxpayer for their World hegemony

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:37 | 1586621 schadenfreude
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This will result in massive protests on the street here in Germany.

The discussed Euro Bond light (just the 60% base of EU-countries debt are covered) means about 5tr. EUR, which means about 1.3tr. for Germany. This would bring debt ratio to GDP to a whopping 160% if the EU project fail.

Who said, that the Germans are going to have the lead in the EU government, because the article doesn't say they have to give up their fiscal sovereignity to Germany but to a "EU government" ? Once again a French / Spanish / Italian etc.... politician who leads this shit?

Looking at the ruins of US of A I really do not want to have a US of E going the same road as US is going.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:32 | 1585604 Sequitur
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Eurozone goes "boom."

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:32 | 1585606 scratch_and_sniff
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Not much of a slave if you can turn around and tell your master to fuck off when ever you fancy it.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:32 | 1585608 Dr. Richard Head
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:32 | 1585609 Jim in MN
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Are your taxes are belong to us...and now is the time in Bundesbank when we dance!

Cue Kraftwerk at top volume

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:36 | 1585619 Tyler Durden
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This is better:

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:39 | 1585842 Bastiat
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That is worse than Rick Roll.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:00 | 1585914 JohnFrodo
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Touch my monkey Bitches

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:35 | 1586620 Esso
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11 ups & 1 down? Sorry, Tyler, I gotta junk that on principle. This is supposed to be Fight Club, not Apple Polisher Club.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:05 | 1585927 Zero Debt
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And all our debt are belongs to your children, and all their debt belongs to their grandchildren, and so on and so forth, with interest.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:35 | 1585614 hognutz
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Sieg Heil!  Deutchland Uber Alles!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:37 | 1585623 brokesville
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No soup for you!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:40 | 1585626 jakethesnake76
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Hell Ya they don't even have to fire a shot unless you count rubber bullets and water cannons on the few protesters ;-) win-win for the banks. Meanwhile back home we bailing out the soon to be defunct BoA... tax payers rejoice ;-)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:41 | 1585631 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:44 | 1585646 Dr. Richard Head
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I always wondered why so much poop porn had the porn stars speaking German. Apparently the German people like being shat upon. 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:45 | 1585647 krispkritter
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I've grown cabbages but never 'moustages'. Is this a new variant?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:49 | 1585665 Dr. Richard Head
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It's like a landing strip, only smaller and stinkier.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:19 | 1585999 He_Who Carried ...
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Go  f***  your  fat racoon and enjoy!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:41 | 1585634 Oh regional Indian
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Aaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnd the 4th reich states it's case.

In no uncertain terms. Be afraid Europe, very afraid.

Vivek (ORI)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:11 | 1585758 scratch_and_sniff
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See the posted sprockets video above and go away and have a good think about that.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:59 | 1585908 Oh regional Indian
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On dial up, so will not. I'm sure your send off is politely well intention-ed, thanks. But I'm only saying what I've said and known for the better part of a decade.

The reich is rising back in the Fatherland. The homeland, which I presume you call home (USSA) was a holding/plundering station, is all. Perhaps the truth will be obvious before years end.

Meanwhile, the interwebs are full of information that shows exactly that. 

The entire US MIC is based on Operation Paperclip.

Vivek (ORI)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:40 | 1585846 Bastiat
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Yeah, you might have to become competent at something . . . and work!  The horror!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:00 | 1585912 Oh regional Indian
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What? Are you responding to me? Whatever, you are not a follow-up guy anyways, so worthless to engage.

Vivek (ORI)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:51 | 1586167 Jim in MN
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He was helping you warn Europe. 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 15:48 | 1587290 Oh regional Indian
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oops Bastiat, my apologis, I mis-understood.

Vivek (ORI)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:42 | 1585635 Internet Tough Guy
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Fourth Reich? Hyperbolic rhetoric, engage! Set phasers on TEOTWAWKI.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:42 | 1585636 GCT
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I was discussing this last week over at Mish's and I was called an idiot by a couple of posters and here it is.  May go over there and call some of them sheeple.  Welcome all to the Dictatorsip of Europe without a shot fired.  Will this actually happen?  I am not so sure.  This will require each soverign country to give up their soverignty.  I  am sure some of the PIIGS nations may well do this.  Each country will have to change its constitution. This is no small thing. 

I can see this already.  Greece and others will now have the central enforcers coming to their homeland when they do not meet thier goals.  Tax collectors from the central authority enforcing collections.  Retirement age will be the same across the countires that agree to this. The riots could get real ugly this time. This is dangerous in my mind.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:42 | 1585637 PulauHantu29
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Deutschland über alles...... looks like Germany is the powerhouse of the EU....again.


Will they work harder to bail out Greece? Italy? Portugal? Spain?

Is it their duty to do so?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:42 | 1585639 Durchbruch
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Deutschland über alles !  El pueblo europeo unido jamas sera vencido !  Europe will come back from this crisis more powerful than ever. 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:44 | 1585643 alien-IQ
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Oh this is going to end well...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:03 | 1585722 NotApplicable
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It's definitely going to leave a mark.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:57 | 1586734 Uncle Remus
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Deutschmark oder Reichsmark?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:44 | 1585644 kato
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Stupid, ugly, ignorant misrepresentation to say 'Fourth Reich' and most everything else you say about Germany.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:49 | 1585663 SheepDog-One
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Right, the 4th Reich is actually here in the US!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:37 | 1586388 eureka
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The Anglo Derivative Reich Variety.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:49 | 1585664 Confused
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Thank you. Germans, much like the Americans, are at the mercy of TPTB. Which are all part of the same club.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:10 | 1585753 rwe2late
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 The US has also been pressuring US-occupied Japan to re-arm and re-militarize.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:53 | 1586718 the tower
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Most people on this site don't seem to have a working knowledge about anything else than the USA... but they insist on having an opinion and come up with lame ww2 shit... if there's one country that 100% surrendered to commercialism it's the USA. Shut down your fucking computer and start building a life and a country you fucking American morons, before it's too late!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 16:47 | 1587550 Panafrican Funk...
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Yeah, those non-commercialist Germans, with their substantially better lives built around activites like.... drinking beer.... and watching sports on television.... and buying stuff.... and making stuff that other people buy!  So much better than everyone else!!!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:44 | 1585645 Ausperity
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Reichbonds, Bitchez!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:45 | 1585648 lolmao500
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So how long before they make an European army and invade Russia again?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:08 | 1585742 rwe2late
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 Are you referring to the US-led NATO?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:46 | 1585649 DefiantSurf
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each passing day  the previously unbelievable becomes more and more believable and in some cases comes to pass...


I don't discount any opinions anymore



Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:48 | 1585654 SheepDog-One
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Sure, we'll bail you out, after you sign over all your assets and lands are belong to us!

Sieg HEIL!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:53 | 1586179 Confused
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Sounds like the IMF, no?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:46 | 1585655 NoTTD
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As Mel Brooks (as Hitler) sang it:

"All I want is Peace! Peace...

A little piece of Poland,

A little piece of France, 

And then a taste

Of Austria and Hungary, perchance..."

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:41 | 1586123 CPL
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History of the World was a great movie.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:48 | 1585657 Sudden Debt
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Wouldn't that be the joke :)

If any German would ever tell a Belgium citizen what to do, you'd get nothing more than a finger.

And the French :) hahaha :)

Nop, will never work.

I've seen an interview this weekend where they proposed to call political intervention to all indepted countries but that will remain nothing more than a plan.

We've all got some history with the Germans and we where all raised with the notion that a good German is a burning German.

Nobody forget that almost every country now has a seperatis movement and a nationalistic movement that is growing bigger by the day.


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:43 | 1585853 Bastiat
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Why would the Germans want the hassle? I think they don't.  It's a diplomatic way of saying:  Nein.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:26 | 1586046 He_Who Carried ...
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I have a hard time to believe, what I see here, Sudden Debt.

I thought you'd be intelligent to some extent, but here we go again...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:25 | 1586578 Great Dane
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I agree, as I expected more from you 'Sudden Debt'. Germans have been endlessly demonized from 1945 on especially in movies and propaganda. Obviously some group desires a suppressed German people.  Eventually it will back-fire with a vengenge- like suppression of metals.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:52 | 1586714 schadenfreude
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I show you a finger for being stupid. Do you really believe this crap? A German dictatorship? It is going to be a Bilderberg dictatorship with a puppet (whatver country)  in the lead. Just come over to Germany to see the sympathies for Euro bonds. 80% are against them.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:48 | 1585658 Durchbruch
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involving an extensive surrender of national fiscal sovereignty


it is correct. Governments of the southern regions have proved incapable of containing their debts. It is in the long term interest of their own populace. There will be pain because of the initial deflation there but then they will get a more efficient system, more productivity and a stronger currency. The alternative is huge inflation with wages remaining the same as before. Cutting debts through inflation damages savers.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:10 | 1585755 ViewfromUnderth...
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I take it you are serious.

Der Speigel was earnestly running this line about two weeks ago...naturally these southern regions will need assistance with the collection of their taxes...after all, it is our money!

There is a saying..."Germans, the only mistakes they make are big ones". Tell me you are not serious.

The Euro was supposed to end centuries of European wars....nice idea.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:23 | 1585795 Durchbruch
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I am serious. And I'm Italian. My region has been Austrian up till 1918, and my grandfather on my father side fought WWI against my grandfather on my mother side. Europe has too many politicians. Especially in south europe. Let us give back some power to a central government. I know I will have to pay more taxes because of this, and I am glad of it, rather than to see my savings become Lire and disappear like icecream under the sun. Let us shrink government and rise productivity. Let us stop to have people receiving pensions when they are 50 y.o. etc. Let Germany help us to change. 

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:45 | 1586131 CPL
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That would unfortunately require planning.  In a universe of 4 year election terms, that's as far as any politician thinks.


I'm so sorry for the loss that is coming to Italy, it'll be pretty rough.  I'm not sure what the background is on owning physical gold or silver, but if you are trying to avoid getting completely messed up financially, go get some soon to protect yourself.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:44 | 1587997 Ahmeexnal
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If you had been wise enough, you would have kept your lire.

I'd take a KM#98 500 lire coin over a 10 eurobill toilet paper anytime.

Last time Germany "helped" you, they threw you under the bus. They looted you and dumped you.

France once helped you too. Remember? They took the Gioconda as collateral that time.


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:49 | 1585660 Caviar Emptor
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Will PIIGS simply break away, default and devlaue? They'd keep sovereignty and they have plenty of devalue experience......welcome back Billion Lira Notes

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:49 | 1585662 spanish inquisition
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Unless and until a fundamental change of regime occurs involving an extensive surrender of national fiscal sovereignty

So we wasted trillions on warfare to create regime change when all we had to do is write a paper?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:51 | 1585675 SheepDog-One
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Sure seems that way.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:20 | 1585790 ViewfromUnderth...
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a lot of paper...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:51 | 1585677 Village Smithy
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I'm sorry but I don't see this as a statement of German power and authority, but more of capitulation, resignation. This to me is huge news because Germany is telling us they can't and won't go on supporting the Euro. The Euro is finished today.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:12 | 1585762 IBelieveInMagic
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Insightful interpretation!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:48 | 1585869 Durchbruch
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I don't agree with your interpretation. Germany is telling you: we help you if you help yourselves changing your spending habits. The Euro would be finished if Germany begin to throw good money after bad debt, or if they would refuse any help inconditionally. Instead there's a precise a legitimate condition: Stop your governments' expenditures and you'll get help.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:52 | 1585678 giovanni_f
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What's the problem? Nazi regimes on both sides of the Atlantic


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:53 | 1585679 maxcody
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It is why the Tea Party is winning.  Balance the budget or be owned.  Obama Debt man walking.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:57 | 1585699 DefiantSurf
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last I checked they weren't winning, the MSM is villifying them at every opportunity, ie Tea Party Downgrade, next the debt will be thier fault, certainly isn't Obammy's

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:53 | 1585680 koeleköpke
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The germans have only a 'Drang nach Osten', they can't handel so many anarchists...

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:53 | 1585681 maxcody
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It is why the Tea Party is winning.  Balance the budget or be owned.  Obama Debt man walking.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:01 | 1585713 snowball777
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So the Tea Party are a German front group? That explains a lot.

Heil Koch!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:06 | 1585736 Oh regional Indian
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Well Snow, if you had to, you could not have chosen a more apropos name, both for beign Germanic and somethng you would use to cause discomfort if used roughly, eh?

Koch indeed. is either of the brothers called Wilhelm or Kasier Koch?

Vivek (ORI)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:42 | 1586661 eureka
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Unlike Koch & Tea Party, Germany believes in paying decent living wages to its workers AND in having a decent social insurance services program.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:53 | 1585684 SheepDog-One
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I dont really blame the Germans at all...if my whole neighborhood was at my front porch demanding I pay their mortgages and grocery bills, Id tell them to first sign over their mortgages and wives to me too!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:02 | 1585717 Esso
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That's right.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:24 | 1585799 ViewfromUnderth...
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OK, so far so, what happens when you try to collect on that?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 10:31 | 1585819 slaughterer
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Depends on the mortgages and depends on the wives.  Whereas if they could post gold as collateral, no problemo.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:00 | 1586204 snowball777
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If it was at your corner store and they were most of your customer base?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 14:03 | 1586781 Uncle Remus
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Time to go upscale.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 16:54 | 1587582 jumblies
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depends on the wives. you may want to keep the receipt

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:54 | 1585690 Jim in MN
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Upon reflection, does 'fiscal sovereignty' include working hours, pensions, and such labor relations matters?  Because I think Germany will be needing a lot more then a typical definition of 'fiscal' to get the deadbeat French, oooooh I mean Southerners, to Shut Up and Get Back To Work.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:57 | 1585697 snowball777
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With respect to the Heim ins Reich movement, I'd keep a very close eye on Wisconsin, Jim. ;)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:46 | 1586684 eureka
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I'll take cheese & wine from France over U.S. ditto any day.

There's no western population more deadbeat than the U.S. sheeple. Mehh.

Now eat your garbage junk food, Little Lamb.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 14:09 | 1586817 schadenfreude
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Remember the statement from Sarkozy/Merkel? The plan is to harmonize pension ages, corporate taxes and soical security costs for EU countries.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:56 | 1585692 Jim in MN
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Side note: China taking extensive notes, drafting paper for USA

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:56 | 1585693 Clampit
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Might as well sell your sovereignty while it's still worth something. A gift of sovereignty, if you can keep it.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:56 | 1585696 robobbob
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Is anyone willing to take this serious now?

Redhouse report: final directives from the nazi party to the german industrialists to continue their important work.

text of report

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:10 | 1585957 Oh regional Indian
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Awesome links. Thanks robo.

Vivek (ori)

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:10 | 1586237 robobbob
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Quite a compliment from ORI


Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:31 | 1586071 He_Who Carried ...
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The dailyWHO printed this?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:08 | 1586230 robobbob
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A UK moderately accurate, in the socialist tank, propaganda paper.

You should get out more often. Take your browser to see the sights.

Besides, who wrote the article doesn't change the text of the original document. Which is why I included a link so you can judge for yourself.

Should I bring up Project Paperclip? Too much for a first date?

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 19:21 | 1588163 Ahmeexnal
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You'll be glad to know the fourth reich will turn out to be a miscarriage.

As you have pointed out with those links, their plans have been know since day one.

They are just being given enough rope to hang themselves. They will all soon be exposed.

Remember the other apex of their power resides in the Vatican. This too will crumble to dust.

While some believed they had changed, many of us knew they hadn't.  There will be no tears when the sociopaths are put down.

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:58 | 1585702 Ricky Bobby
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Papiermark Bitchez!

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:58 | 1585704 chinaguy
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PIIGS sheeple ain't gonna roll over for this...more strikes and more posturing. This only kicks the can down the road another year....while Europe sinks back into recession

Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:59 | 1585708 DefiantSurf
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you think they have another year? You must be an optimist!


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