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Cain Talks Libya, Pulls A Perry

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So in the Perry aftermath, is everyone now going for the sympathy "I am just as big an idiot as Dubya" card, or are all Republican candidates seriously insane and/or raving, deranged lunatics? Will it seriously be that difficult to give Ron Paul a full body botox, cut off his frontal lobe, have him grope several women, promise to bomb someone or something, execute a few hundred illegal immigrants, and see him gain 200 extra pounds? Because if that is what it will take to make him "appeal" to the general Joe Sixpack, so be it: if America ends up with one of these other muppets it is doomed. Doomed.

For more on this latest caught on video travesty read here.


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Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:26 | 1877355 SGS
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"I have all this stuff twirling around in my head."  HAHAHAHAHAH

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:30 | 1877366 A Man without Q...
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that line's a classic.  When I said it, I imagined those little birds you get in the cartoons when the character gets hit over the head.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:00 | 1877466 Pladizow
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Avoid this Noid!

I would'nt even buy a pizza covered in Gubmnt cheese from this guy.

America has become a joke!


Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:24 | 1877571 FEDbuster
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Sharp as a rubber spatula.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:57 | 1877852 Comay Mierda
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As much as I think cain is a tool, I admit he understands the marketing principle of "keep it simple stupid" better than all the other candidates. 9 9 9 is so simple a three year old can repeat it.

Paul is the best one of the bunch by far, but he is too smart for joe sixpack. He needs to learn to really simplify his message in a way that a three year old can repeat it. Because sadly the american intelligence has become like that of a three year old

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:04 | 1878002 williambanzai7
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I just dialed 999-9999 and Cain picked up.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 02:13 | 1878366 phyuckyiu
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William Banzai supported the uprising, correct? Um, no - that's a different one. Let's see, I've got to go back to the beginning of chutes and ladders, see. I've got all these dice swirling around in my head.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:13 | 1877885 i-dog
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They're all having trouble remembering their prepared lines and scripted positions on each talking point! LOL ... to be an actor, you must have a good memory.

The fluoride is getting to them too. LOL ... poetic!

Who in their right mind would vote in the [soon to be cancelled anyway] next election?!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:20 | 1878042 Yamaha
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JC - stupid is as stupid does...............

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:16 | 1878033 Yamaha
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As Dad said "sharp as a marble"!

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 03:46 | 1878421 c'mon man
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Takes him an hour and a half to watch 60 minutes...

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 02:46 | 1878390 fourchan
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a real man could admit obama was right, not sending in troops, and letting nato

take the lions share of the action with a very satisfactory result. cain is shit

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:42 | 1877417 fjupiter
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probably pussy

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:46 | 1877430 caerus
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"some people want to say well as president you're supposed to know you don't!"

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:37 | 1878077 logically possible
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some people want to say well as president you're supposed to know "something"...No he does not! This is GW all over again. Where does America find these candidates?

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:12 | 1877517 ffart
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Herman Cain = America's affirmative action hire

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:41 | 1877630 funthea
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Actually, that card was already pulled the last election.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:50 | 1877672 ffart
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Damn, good point. I'm going to have to throw all these bumper stickers away now.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:39 | 1877947 SGS
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CHANGE? Yes we can!

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:13 | 1878186 Manthong
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If we could just get Ron Paul to start screwing around with Lady GaGa, we might be able to swing enough Obama voters into his camp.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 09:46 | 1878779 FEDbuster
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At least if he had a fling with Gaga (hard to picture), he would get more than 89 seconds to speak in a 90 minute debate.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:45 | 1878094 trav7777
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Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:43 | 1877640 Cui Bono
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Kang: We must move forward... not backwards, not to the side, not forwards, but always whirling, whirling, whirling towards freedom.

Holy shit.... I posted this in the Caption contest because of the tentacles but it fits even better here.......JFC!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:00 | 1877702 tarsubil
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They tried to mock the process so much with that episode and it becomes more true everyday.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:02 | 1877709 ghengis86
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:46 | 1878098 Bananamerican
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the actual Simpson's quote says "twirling, twirling twirling", so no, it's dead balls on target...

you have to admit that cain is a 1st class bullshitter though, truly adept, but yes, we have clearly devolved as a "people"....The Clenis had some synaptic activity but W. was the 1st full on "lights out" president...we turned the corner there into "idiocracy"

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:49 | 1877666 philipat
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Voices in my head? Be afraid, be very afraid.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:17 | 1878036 Albertarocks
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"I have all this stuff twirling around in my head."  HAHAHAHAHAH

It's called sawdust.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:55 | 1878129 Coke and Hookers
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How the fuck can clinically retarded people become billionaires? A president I can understand but a successful businessman? Can someone explain that to me?

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 03:19 | 1878406 fajensen
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"Understand your customers" - nuff said.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 07:54 | 1878535 IO_Psychic_TV
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Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:57 | 1877449 Carlyle Groupie
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Not really.

We need more AA's running for president. Yo yo yo. The commander in chief needs serious street creds to be considered as a threat.

We needs peoples who be talking da peoples talk and walking da peoples walk. Niggas straight up and serious!

Word. You don kneed no edjabacation. You not need to speak the kings engwish. You just need to be freely and highly manipulable by chosen peps lobby.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:47 | 1877657 AdahPrice
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Do people sit down at their computers, log onto the internet, and then practice being stupid?  How does that affect them in their work, in their families, and in their thoughts?  Doesn't acting stupid make you stupid?

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:23 | 1877774 AdahPrice
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Momma always said, "stupid is as stupid does".

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:36 | 1877807 Night Owl Trader
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Ron White says "You can't fix stupid".

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 07:49 | 1878531 Carlyle Groupie
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"and then practice being stupid?"

Practice!? I don't need no stinking practice! Bitchez.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:27 | 1877359 Deadpool
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doomed no matter what.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:30 | 1877595 FEDbuster
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"Hasten the Collapse, Obama 2012"  will replace my "Restore America, Ron Paul 2012" bumpersticker after the GOP convention.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:30 | 1877361 bank guy in Brussels
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Here's an eloquent black American leader who did not hesitate on Obama and Libya ... Barack Obama's former supporter, America's most well-known Muslim preacher, Louis Farrakhan:

Amazing intensity here, especially the few seconds starting about 4:30 ... the lead-in to when Farrakhan shouts:

« That's a MURDERER in the White House! Who will say It? I will! Because I have a POWER behind me that is bringing America to judgement as we speak ... »

Minister Farrakhan: "That's A Murderer In The White House!"

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:36 | 1877392 john39
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that is the difference between speaking the truth, and spouting canned lies that someone is feeding to an actor...    

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:39 | 1877404 Savyindallas
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Farrakhan  -a 21st century black Patrick Henry. 

I'm White and Farrakhan's Right!--

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:24 | 1877575 Everybodys All ...
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Crazy Louie is no Patrick Henry ... try Benedict Arnold and I'm sure being white don't make it right.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:43 | 1877634 AdahPrice
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There is no similarity between Louis Farrakan and Benedict Arnold.  There is a similarity between Louis Farrakan and Patrick Henry, because Patrick Henry was an orator and crusader.  Benedict Arnold was just a soldier, and though he was a pretty good fighter, he was a very bad soldier, because when he didn't get the promotion he thought he deserved, he betrayed his fellow soldiers to the enemy, abandoning his post and giving it to the enemy, in a move which, had it succeeded, might have given the enemy the war.  Again, there is no similarity between Louis Farrakan and Benedict Arnold.  Before you pull names out of history and use them, please read their history.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:01 | 1877704 Everybodys All ...
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You are clueless about what Mr. Farrakan and the Nation of Islam advocate. My history is fine ... how is your reading comprehension.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:22 | 1877765 AdahPrice
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You have made no argument.

My cluelessness is not an argument.

My lack of reading comprehension is not an argument.

Again, comparing Farrakan to Arnold is arguing that Farrakan was in a position to give the country to a declared enemy, and used that position in an attempt to do so.  The fact is that Farrakan has never been in such a position.  Therefore, your comparison of Farrakan to Arnold is an obvious failure.  If you go around saying things like that to people who are not clueless and who have good reading comprehension, you will embarrass them and yourself.  Better to take the time to find a good comparison.  There is always a good comparison if you dig deep enough.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:53 | 1877848 Everybodys All ...
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Never meant to be literal but I'm good with the comparison.

Considered by many to be a former (and by some, a present) competitor to Malcolm X, Farrakhan made numerous incendiary statements about him, contributing to what was called a "climate of vilification".[6] This may have contributed to what ultimately led to the assassination of Malcolm X at a time when he was beginning to distance himself from the NOI after his hajj to Mecca.[6] Three men from a Newark, New Jersey, NOI mosque were convicted of the killing and served prison sentences.[citation needed] Farrakhan was the keynote speaker at the Newark temple the same day that Malcolm X was assassinated.

We don't give a damn about no white man law if you attack what we love. And frankly, it ain't none of your business. What do you got to say about it? Did you teach Malcolm? Did you make Malcolm? Did you clean up Malcolm? Did you put Malcolm out before the world? Was Malcolm your traitor or ours? And if we dealt with him like a nation deals with a traitor, what the hell business is it of yours? You just shut your mouth, and stay out of it. Because in the future, we gonna become a nation. And a nation gotta be able to deal with traitors and cutthroats and turncoats. The white man deals with his. The Jews deal with theirs.[38][39][40]

In a 60 Minutes interview that aired during May 2000, Farrakhan stated that some of the things he said may have led to the assassination of Malcolm X. "I may have been complicit in words that I spoke", he said. "I acknowledge that and regret that any word that I have said caused the loss of life of a human being."[43] A few days later Farrakhan denied that he "ordered the assassination" of Malcolm X, although he again acknowledged that he "created the atmosphere that ultimately led to Malcolm X's assassination."[44]

This is where you say well played homes.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 10:41 | 1879021 AdahPrice
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Thank you, Everybody's All...  Now I have a need to go back and watch the movie "Malcolm X" again, and a reason to read more.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:28 | 1877922 Optimusprime
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Arnold is an interesting case.  Before you buy into the "MSM"/American patriot narrative, you might wish to read some of Kenneth Roberts' well-researched novels dealing with him. 


Arnold was virtually the sole US commander responsible for the victory at Saratoga, which redically changed the course of the struggle.  He was indeed a "good fighter" as you put it.


But he feared the consequences of the French alliance.  Perhaps he should have been more worried about the eventual British alliance.  Cecil Rhodes, WWI (Balfour declaration, Brandeis appointment, Wilson stupidity, suicide of the West, etc).

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 10:11 | 1878886 AdahPrice
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Thanks.  I will.  Complicated times then, and complicated times, always.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 09:25 | 1878721 taxpayer102
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@Everybodys All...

Nothing crazy about Minister Farrakhan.  He's been speaking truth to power for years and been villified, defamed and ridiculed for it.  Interview Minister Farrakhan about Libya and Gadhafi and you'll hear the truth spoken by a man who doesn't need a teleprompter or speech writer.  My first clue he spoke truth was his 1995 lecture 'The Conspiracy of the International Bankers - The Takeover of America' - true then and even more true today.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 02:08 | 1878359 Arkadaba
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The only begotten son thing doesn't quite work for me ....but yes oratory and speaking from an interesting POV

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:29 | 1877362 What_Me_Worry
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Two scumbags down...

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:29 | 1877364 Strider52
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Now that's very telling: There are very few comments about Cain.

I also have no comment.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:53 | 1877679 Uncle Remus
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That no one (in the MSM) is serious about the only serious guy in the race (Ron Paul) is the tell. Everything else is just part of the circus.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:47 | 1877835 Dane Bramage
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Oh, they are serious abour Dr. Paul alright.  They're seriously doing everything they can to ignore, marginalize, etc.,.  :(

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:02 | 1877997 Uncle Remus
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I knew that was coming. True nonetheless.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 08:03 | 1878549 fockewulf190
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Ron Paul or bust. Big bust that is.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:31 | 1877369 deepsouthdoug
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THAT is a Stupid Man.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:55 | 1877462 Schmuck Raker
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Yeah, I get the feeling that if he's driving the campaign bus we'll never hear from him again, he won't be able to find his way out of Wisconsin.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:33 | 1877602 FEDbuster
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The short bus is filling up with GOP candidates (maybe WB7 can do a nice graphic of that?)

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:15 | 1877533 Tater Salad
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Not too bright, however much brighter than the Barack-upier in chief.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:46 | 1878244 tyler
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They don't get dumber than a knuckledragger.  As much as I despise obama, at least he speaks in coherent sentences.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:43 | 1877820 PapSmear
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Cain can't be dumber than the community organizer

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:03 | 1877870 GeorgeHayduke
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I guess this is another good example to help bust the myth in this country that wealth = intelligence, and it's inverse, intelligence = wealth. But then, I might be overestimating the intelligence of the sheople.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:31 | 1877370 jcaz
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Eh, I get the same way when all three of MY girlfriends are outed by the media......

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:31 | 1877372 mfoste1
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and in other news, obama is playing golf again today

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:31 | 1878064 Cathartes Aura
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here's something for the other side of your brain:

"Bush has spent more than a year of his presidency" at his ranch in Crawford, Texas. On August 19, 2005, "he broke Ronald Reagan's record of 335 days for America's most vacationed president and went on to take the longest presidential vacation in 36 years," Dale McFeatters wrote August 8, 2006, in a ScrippsNews editorial.

ponder how much time any president needs to spend at his desk. . .

(didn't junk you)

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:33 | 1877383 Reptil
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hahahaha FAIL

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:34 | 1877386 wrs
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Once he got going, he made sense, Perry and Bush just totally flopped.  Bush couldn't think of any mistake he ever made for over 30 seconds and blamed not being able to think on his feet.  Perry just looked like a buffoon.  Cain was OK, I know what he was talking about, the friggin opposition had elements of AQ in it.  How smart is it for us to be supporting AQ?

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:01 | 1877481 Schmuck Raker
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YOU may "know what he was talking about", but HE clearly didn't.

He just barely remembers what was on the script his handlers gave him.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:36 | 1877387 bob_dabolina
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I support Ron Paul as a President 100%. 

There is one bit of advice I could extend to him. When he speaks publicly he does this thing with his hands that makes them look like claws and that can appear kinda' creepy. Other then that I have no other concerns.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:14 | 1877527 hannah
hannah's picture you advocate electing a crustacean for president.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:21 | 1877556 bob_dabolina
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I just don't like what he does with his hands.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:29 | 1877557 bob_dabolina
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Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:05 | 1878163's picture



I should have been a pair of ragged claws

Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.
Tue, 11/15/2011 - 01:31 | 1878325 caerus
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i grow old … i grow old …        
i shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 02:12 | 1878363 Arkadaba
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Tue, 11/15/2011 - 02:16 | 1878367 caerus
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t.s. eliot

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 03:57 | 1878425 Antipodeus
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"The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock", or something similar?


Tue, 11/15/2011 - 04:57 | 1878449 caerus
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Tue, 11/15/2011 - 04:58 | 1878451 Arkadaba
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Thanks - long time since I read this:

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 05:02 | 1878452 caerus
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the waste land

the poet speaks for himself...internet not such a bad thing after all... cheers!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:34 | 1877389 ReallySparky
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Tyson should do his interviews.  Would make a great double if Cain elected.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:21 | 1877501 Schmuck Raker
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All things considered we might be better off with Tyson as PODUS, and Cain as the double.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:35 | 1877939 Schmuck Raker
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Whoopsie... I meant PO'T'US, naturally.

Although, President of 'DUH' United States has a certain ring to it.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:20 | 1878039 Blano
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You had it right the first time.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:40 | 1877396 mfoste1
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ohh yea EU trying to suspend sovereign debt ratings......


if all else fails just hide the problem :) ----the motto of the leaders of todays world!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:50 | 1877445 sosoome
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Ya gotta give these crooks an A+ for creativity...

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:38 | 1877398 wretch
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Ron Paul sucks too.  I don't like the way ZH implicitly supports that Randian fuckshite.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:41 | 1877413 mfoste1
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you dumb

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:06 | 1877496 Carlyle Groupie
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It's very dumb. Who's it think ZH is going to support?

Time for it to start paying attention.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:42 | 1877415 bob_dabolina
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Your mom sucks

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:42 | 1877416 Savyindallas
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My God  -another ignorant. moronic Denningerite on this Board  - go back to ticker forum and drink the coolaid from that pissant imecile Denninger

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:03 | 1877482 SheepHerder
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You're going to catch a lot of minuses, but I think you bring up a interesting point. 

Ron Paul has been in politics since the seventies with the same spiel.  It seems to me if he was serious about his views, he would have gotten out of politics and started a movement to create real change.  A militia comes to mind. Jefferson Davis comes to mind.

His bitching about change is like Thomas Jefferson saying he was going to go back to England to get involved in politics to change the injustices in the colonies.  Or it's like me being a division manager at Goldman Sachs for thirty years telling everyone how corrupt our company is, yet still collecting a paycheck for my job. 

I've heard the arguement that he is trying to change things from the inside out.  For thirty years?  C'mon, the way our government is structured, even if he was president, he won't accomplish much.  There will still be lobbyists, a corporate bought congress, etc. You can't fix a corrupt system by working inside of it.  Ron Paul is just another actor on the political stage.  And like any good production, he plays his part well while getting paid six figures to do it.    He drew the short stick and someone told him,  "You are going to be the whiny old fart lamenting about the Federal Reserve and the military industrial complex, so all those taxpayers think there's a chance in hell that corporate bought politicians actually give two fucks about them.  And when your son grows up, he can do the same thing." 

He's good at riling people up which makes me wonder, given the economic and societal condition of America what is his real purpose?  "One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes a revolution in order to establish a dictatorship." - by Orwell, George


Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:12 | 1877519 Clinteastwood
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you dumb, too.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:12 | 1877741 SpeakerFTD
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Start a militia?   It's not easy to lose all credibility by the 4th sentence, but you did it!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:32 | 1877931 SheepHerder
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Yeah militias are foolish, because that didn't win America's freedom from the tyranny of the Bank of England and rampant taxation in the 1770's, huh?  Minutemen...who the fuck are they? Oh and those reports about an insurgence in militias within the past few years...pure bullshit, right?

Do me a favor and attack the arguement not me.  If I'm wrong, I'll admit it.  I love learning from other people's viewpoints. 

But let's be real, at what point does voting a new representative to play American superhero get old?

There's a lot of intelligence on this board.  Do you really think Ron Paul as president would change America's course? What do you think he's going to go in and blow up the Fed if he gets elected?  And the corporate bought Congress will just sit by and watch? 

Oh and the CIA will just stop existing and will stop funding wars from all side to enrich corporations, right?  Blackwater/XE will go away quietly?

And the debt ceiling will magically come back down to earth? Congress will start magically getting along and looking out for the interests of their constituents, right?

I could go on...

Ron Paul is a sedative to the people and works within the beast.  I hope he does get elected, so people will finally start becoming aware of the fact that there is no solutions to a broken system by using that same system to fix it.  Please show me where in history that has ever worked.  Ad hominem attacks do not constitute an intelligent answer.


Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:44 | 1878086 Dooud
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I agree with both of your comments here. I worked on some of Ron's early Libertatian campaigns and have come to the conclusion that he is essentially a Gadfly. At best he is a slightly more sane Ralph Nader. Even back in those days, Ron would never accept plank compromises to even slightly increase his electability. For a politician to a priori state he will never compromise, is a promise to get nothing done in our political reality. If Ron was sincere, his philosophy is more consistent with a revolutionary that would use ANY MEANS NECESSARY to overthrow the status quo. The fact that he doesn't and has never been willing to do this, exposes him for what he is and for what you have identified him to be, at best an "arm-chair" revolutionary who is satisfied with the fanboy adoration of his "army" but lacking the guts to do anything with them.

I grew up and gave up on Ron 20 years ago.

Though I do support him on MJ, man.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:56 | 1878137 Bananamerican
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Arm chair or no, Ron Paul IS out and about and running for president....

All the inbred "plank compromisers" seem to self-immolating as one might assume they would...

Let's vote RP in and see what happens...

waddya say?

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 01:01 | 1878267 Dooud
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Do you and the other dimwit fanboys fail to understand..... Let me spell it out........REVOLUTION IS THE ONLY SOLUTION......AND THE TREE OF LIBERTY REQUIRES BLOOD. RP talks a good game, but he has failed to deploy his following in a way which could make REAL change. What is the point in the moral victory of another 5% of the electorate. RP's mistake is thinking that just being the smartass in the room with the answers is enough, it is not and it never will be unless he takes the next step and that step may require his life also and those followers willing to give theirs. THIS is where I gave up on RP.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:11 | 1878185's picture

Ron would never accept plank compromises to even slightly increase his electability.


That's why he's so popular. Ironic, isn't it.


I grew up and gave up on Ron 20 years ago.


Why is it that when weak willed people fail to follow through with what they innately know is right they claim to have grown up and moved on?

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:38 | 1878231 Dooud
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You misconstrue my meaning, I gave up on Ron, because ultimately I don't believe he is sincere. Ron P is and always has been a Cult of Personality.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:55 | 1878256's picture

I suspect that you are projecting your own lack of character onto Dr. Paul.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 01:10 | 1878294 Dooud
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Have you ever met RP? I doubt it, you have the rose-colored view of fan-boy adoration. You see, bottom line RP is a pacifist, but not in the foreign policy way portrayed in the MSM, but in the way that he won't take up arms to defend his views of the constitution. If the world worked by pure logic he would be right, but it doesn't and he has never been willing to take the next step required.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 01:38 | 1878332's picture

Yes, I've met Ron Paul. The rest of your comment is too bizarre for me to formulate a response.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 02:28 | 1878376 Arkadaba
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I've said this before - vote with your heart for ideas not a person. I actually might agree with RP on certain economic issues though I'm guessing we might be somewhat far apart on social issues and defence. But that is not a bad thing - I'm pretty sure RP would prefer a democratically elected gov even if it went against his core beliefs.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 02:29 | 1878377 Arkadaba
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I've said this before - vote with your heart for ideas not a person. I actually might agree with RP on certain economic issues though I'm guessing we might be somewhat far apart on social issues and defence. But that is not a bad thing - I'm pretty sure RP would prefer a democratically elected gov even if it went against his core beliefs.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 02:29 | 1878378 Arkadaba
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I've said this before - vote with your heart for ideas not a person. I actually might agree with RP on certain economic issues though I'm guessing we might be somewhat far apart on social issues and defence. But that is not a bad thing - I'm pretty sure RP would prefer a democratically elected gov even if it went against his core beliefs.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 09:53 | 1878807 W.M. Worry
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He's not a sedative. He's a palliative. " easing the symptoms of a disease without effecting a cure"

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:47 | 1877836 forexskin
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on green up just for creative trollery mixed with a dash of ageant provacateaur-ish-ness.

*golf clap*

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:22 | 1877558 Vagabond
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Give a reason you worthless douche.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:10 | 1877734 SpeakerFTD
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Proud to be the -45 vote

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:58 | 1877823 chindit13
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Is Paul a co-sponsor of HR 1148?  Was he a sponsor of HR 682?


The co-sponsors, to date, are:

Rep Earl Blumenauer [OR-3rd]
Rep Steve Cohen [TN-9th]
Rep Raul Grijalva [AZ-7th]
Rep Kathleen Hochul [NY-26th]
Rep Walter Jones, Jr. [NC-3rd]
Rep Dennis Kucinich [OH-10th]
Rep David Loebsack [IA-2nd]
Rep Louise McIntosh Slaughter [NY-28th]
Rep Niki Tsongas [MA-5th]

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:19 | 1878201's picture

Which implies what, exactly? We know that Ron Paul opposes government privilege and fraud in all its forms. We know that Ron will only vote on legislation which is constitutionally permitted. We also know that there are thousands upon thousands of bills submitted and no one has the time to read each and every one of them.

We can then draw the conclusion that Ron Paul is not a co-sponsor of this bill because either 1) he is unaware of it 2) he has had not had time to investigate this particular bill or 3) the bill has something in it somewhere which is not constitutionally authorized.

Of course you could just ask Ron. He'll talk to anybody about anything and makes himself quite accessible.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:32 | 1877918 Al Gorerhythm
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Courtesy of Jesse's Cafe American: GATA: The Men in the Arena.

This excerpt has the same overtones as applied to RP's detractors and of his journey through the halls of congress. For or against him, his efforts deserve more than snide adhominims.

"A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities - all these are marks, not as the possessor would feign to think, of superiority but of weakness. They mark the men unfit to bear their part painfully in the stern strife of living, who seek, in the affection of contempt for the achievements of others, to hide from others and from themselves in their own weakness. The rôle is easy; there is none easier, save only the rôle of the man who sneers alike at both criticism and performance. 

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. 

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." 

Theodore Roosevelt, The Man in the Arena,, Paris, April 23, 1910

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:54 | 1888896 margaris
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exactly why ron paul is respected around here.

Zerohedge is about calling bullshit, and ron paul is just clean like a babyass when it comes to credibility....

you can throw shit at him, but it willl not stick no matter what.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:41 | 1877408 Cruel Aid
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It is a simple yes-no Herman.

Equally as painful to watch as was the Perry drop.

RP has answers.

Mitt has way too many.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:40 | 1877409 Josh Randall
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The FED's own man  enjoy morons who want to vote for him

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:40 | 1877410 Motorhead
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Funny how everything is now lining up for Newt Gingrich...said to be up in the polls, and now "suddenly" we've had gaffes by Cain & Perry.

I certainly hope, but do not believe, that Ron Paul will be "the man" in 2012, but he is certainly the vanguard for 2016.  The train is rolling, but it still needs to pick up some more passengers.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:45 | 1877425 Savyindallas
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RP will not get the republican nomination  -he will run third party-and will have a much better chance of winning . Too many Republicans have their heads up their asses and there is simply too little time left for them to pull their heads out. 

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1877453 Motorhead
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I agree about GOP'ers having their heads up their rears, but Ron Paul will not run as a third party candidate.  He's not done it before and I don't think he will start now.  Besides, like with Bush Sr. and Ross Perot (and Clinton), a third-party candidate would usher in another term for President Obama.  Unfortunately.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:03 | 1877487 Savyindallas
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wrong  - wait and see. He didn't give up his Congressional seat to retire. Running as a republican kept him in the spotlight - unless things change quickly, he will not win. He has a better chance as a third party candidate  - it gives the American people a few more months to relaize that both parties are controlled by the same degenerate banksters -plus, the country can be much closer to depression or world war by that time. He knows all of this. Timining is everything. This is his last hurrah  -he will not let his organization and supporters die  -he will run third party  -Count on it.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:39 | 1877614 Everybodys All ...
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Third party candidates have no chance of winning the presidency and even a lesser chance of governing because there is not a party affiliation to which they are aligned politically. Ron Paul being a very savy and smart man and will not run as a third party candidate because he understands the problem(s) for third party candidates. He would simply rather run again as a candidate again in 2016 especially if Obama wins re-relection.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 23:52 | 1878120 trav7777
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as long as 3rd party candidates have "no chance" due to the majority wasting their votes, there is no hope whatsoever for change.  None.  So the entire discussion is academic

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:24 | 1878209's picture

The Libertarians could give Ron Paul the nod. They're already on the ballot just about everywhere so that groundwork has been done. But I want to see him get the Republican nomination. I'll be registering Republican (yikes!) in order to vote for Ron and such a tribulation shouldn't go for naught.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:27 | 1877581 Vagabond
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Apparently you have your head up your rear.,_1988

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:10 | 1877888 Revolution_star...
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1988, Ron Paul ran 3rd party for president. What he said then could be just replayed now. He hasn't changed a single thing.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:15 | 1877532 silverserfer
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ITs even funnier that NEWWWWWWWWT thinks he is a contender.It is a CRAPPY election cycle to be a republican. Even worse if you are a republican and a Colts fan.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:42 | 1877414 gbresnahan
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Ron Paul 2012. Our only hope.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:50 | 1877971 dolph9
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I disagree.  I'm sure Ron Paul is a perfectly good guy and would make a decent President, but we have no hope.

No hope.  Zero.  Zilch.  The ship is going down.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:43 | 1877421 runlevel
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"HMMM WHAT WAS I TOLD TO SAY TO THAT QUESTION HMMMMMM OH YA  WAIT NO UH.......<grabs water bottle> ... <adjusts seat> <grabs water bottle> UH SHIT WHAT DID THEY TELL ME TO SAY AGAIN???"

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:50 | 1877446 Blagio
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Just goes to show ya America is sold to the highest bidder for TOTUS!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:44 | 1877422 Stack Trace
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HOLY FUCK! Can you get any dumber. WHAT THE FUCK? How is it that we can only get incompetents and idiots to run for office? If I were an American Citizen I would run for office just so we could have someone younger than Ron Paul with an IQ above 100.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:45 | 1877429 mfoste1
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this just goes to show you how successful TPTB are becoming at dumbing down an entire society.....

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:47 | 1877432 Stack Trace
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BTW, I am not implying that I think IQ alone is the determinative factor in running for office but it sure would be a nice quality for a candidate to possess.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:45 | 1877427 topcallingtroll
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I guess nowdays you cant run for president unless your affair made the news greater than ten years ago like Newt, or you have to be so stupid and obsessed that only your wife will fuck you.

Ron Paul doesnt fit my theory.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:57 | 1877857 Desert Irish
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This is something I just randomly pulled up from the internet knowing the man's history

Newt is scum. Ron Paul is the real deal...and I can see where your coming from.


Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:48 | 1877437 ioni
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Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1877455 Motorhead
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Pizza, bitchez!

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:53 | 1877457 mfoste1
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SNAP now accepted at godfathers.......

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:48 | 1877438 Blagio
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Ron Paul isn't telling us anything we don't already know. Problem is, when/if elected will he be able to do anything about it? None of these candidates will be able to pass 10% of what they are telling us through Congress including Ron Paul.  They will have to invoke an Executive order to move the solar system. Not gonna happen.

We are all screwed.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 20:38 | 1877621 Vagabond
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If Ron Paul gets elected that would say a lot about the American people and how far we've come.  He really couldn't have a bigger set of clowns as opposition so maybe he does have a chance.  If we manage to elect Ron Paul, I think the American people will be able to influence their Congressmen to shape up or ship out.  Unfortunately, he'll probably have to work real hard not to get suicided or "old aged"... and Bernanke and friends will likely unleash all hell on us to get their revenge... no this can't end well... and I started out so positive.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:17 | 1877758 SpeakerFTD
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It's not that we need to pass legislation.   95% of legslation passed is written by lobbyists anyway.   All we need is an honest man and Costco value pack of red veto pens.   

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:50 | 1877842 forexskin
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bully pulpit - worked for teddy r. until he was bull moosed into throwing the election to wilson.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:33 | 1878223's picture

The President commands the military and all the folks at Defense, Treasury, State, etc. Ron will have plenty of power to get the ball rolling even if congress sits on its hands.

Besides, congress had abdicated much of its power to the executive, to the Fed, etc. If anything, Ron will demand more input from congress. He'd make those bastards earn their pay.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:48 | 1877439 SumSUN
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Any answers that come from these clowns are useless.  Asking them questions is a waste of time and brain cells.  But the show keeps going on and on.

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 19:54 | 1877441 TheAkashicRecord
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  • Cain / Jesus 2012

The businessman went on Saturday at a national meeting of young Republicans where he gave several interesting statements. One of them is probably the most sensational, as Cain declared that the Lord himself persuaded him to run for president by comparing the businessman to Moses.

Cain began talking about his passion for praying: "That's when I prayed and prayed and prayed. I'm a man of faith – I had to do a lot of praying for this one, more praying than I've ever done before in my life". And then the secret: "And when I finally realized that it was God saying that this is what I needed to do, I was like Moses. You've got the wrong man, Lord. Are you sure?"

  • Perry sees the economic downturn as all part of God's Plan (so don't worry)

PERRY: I think in America from time to time we have to go through some difficult times — and I think we’re going through those difficult economic times for a purpose, to bring us back to those Biblical principles of you know, you don’t spend all the money. You work hard for those six years and you put up that seventh year in the warehouse to take you through the hard times. And not spending all of our money. Not asking for Pharaoh to give everything to everybody and to take care of folks because at the end of the day, it’s slavery. We become slaves to government.

  • God also thought it would be a good idea for Bachmann to join the IRS

"'Tax law? I hate taxes. Why should I go do something like that?' " Ms. Bachmann said in 2006 remarks at the Living Word Christian Center in Brooklyn Park, Minn., recounting a conversation she had with her husband. "But, by faith, I was going to be faithful to what God was calling me to do through my husband, and I finished that course of study.


Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:01 | 1877865 StychoKiller
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Hmm, and 4 out of the 5 voices in my head say "Don't SHOOT!"

I wonder if any of these so-called "Christian fundamentalists" will ever wise up to the fact that they're being played for a buncha chumps...

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