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Calpers Generates 1% Return, Misses Discount Rate Target By 87%

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"Thank you ZIRP, may we have another." This is what the 1.6 million workers who have invested their retirement money with America's largest pension fund, California's CALPERS, may want to ask Chairman Ben following the firm's just announced results for Fiscal 2012 (ended June 30). The end result: +1% nominal return, which means a negative real return. And this is even including the now traditional end of June ramp which this year came courtesy of the now largely irrelevant European summit, which nonetheless ramped stocks and likely meant the difference for Calpers between positive and negative on the year! Sadly just one "another" year would not be enough, but a whopping 7 more would be needed, because as is well known, for all actuarial purposes Calpers, as well as the bulk of US pension funds, use a 7.5% discount rate. In other words, Calpers missed the minimum return it needs to not require overfunding by, oh... 87%. Here is Calper's Mea Culpa: "CalPERS 1 percent return is below the fund’s discount rate of 7.5 percent, a long-term hurdle lowered recently in response to a steady decline in inflation and as part of CalPERS routine evaluation of economic assumptions." At this rate, courtesy of ZIRP and the destruction of equities as an asset class, until the 2s30s is flat, and we have terminal wheelbarrow lift off, Calpers will no choice but to keep revising lower and lower until its discount rate is negative in line with the imminent advent of NIRP. Good luck with those actuarial tables with a negative discount rate.

From Calpers:

The California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS) today reported a 1 percent return on investments for the 12 months that ended June 30, 2012, falling short of its benchmark that returned 1.7 percent. CalPERS assets at the end of the fiscal year stood at more than $233 billion.

 

The small gain – despite continued volatility in world markets and economies – was helped by improved performance of CalPERS real estate investments. Investments in income-generating properties like office, industrial and retail assets returned approximately 15.9 percent, outperforming the pension fund’s real estate benchmark by more than 3 percent.

 

CalPERS performance was negatively impacted by significant allocations to U.S. and international public equities.

 

"The last twelve months were a challenging period for all investors as the ongoing European debt crisis and slowing global economic growth increased market volatility and reduced equity returns,” said Joe Dear, CalPERS Chief Investment Officer. “It’s a clear reminder that we must remain focused on performance, risk and internal controls in today’s financial environment.”

 

CalPERS 1 percent return is below the fund’s discount rate of 7.5 percent, a long-term hurdle lowered recently in response to a steady decline in inflation and as part of CalPERS routine evaluation of economic assumptions. CalPERS 20-year investment return is 7.7 percent.

 

“It’s important to remember that CalPERS is a long-term investor and one year of performance should not be interpreted as a signal about our ability to achieve our investment goals over the long-term,” said Henry Jones, Chair of CalPERS Investment Committee.

And here is why equities are pretty much finished as an asset class for pension funds:

Today’s announcement includes asset class performance gains as follows:

Finally, here is where Calpers affiliates will not be happy:

Employer contribution rates that use CalPERS 2011-12 fiscal year investment performance will be calculated based on audited figures and will be reflected in contribution levels for the State of California in FY 2013-14 and for contracting cities, counties and special districts in FY 2014-15.

Advance warning: contribution rates are going up, up, up.

 


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Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:40 | Link to Comment transaccountin
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decline in inflation

mmmmmmmk

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Uber Vandal
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I found an old ticket of a train ride on the Algoma Central Agawa Canyon that my girlfriend and I took in 2002. The cost per person on the ticket was $58 CDN.

10 years later, I looked up the cost of going on that ride again, and the price is now $153.75

No inflation here at all.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Popo
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Props to Tyler for today's coffee-spitter from the post summary:   "Wheelbarrow liftoff".

Someone pass me a napkin.  Hilarious.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Popo
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I found a visual description for Calpers' performance here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPfm-sUbYUI

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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Maybe they should take a couple percent of their book and buy MegaMillions and Powerball tickets each week?

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:03 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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the answer is simple......we need more months in a year, 12 is just not enough time for these guys to get it done.....lets start by making a year 18 mos. their returns would improve ,people wouldnt live as long and payouts probably would be made to very few....

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:28 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Try measuring the prices of that ticket in silver or gold.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Bam_Man
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The end of the Great Bond Bull Market will come when the insurance companies & pension funds HAVE TO SELL (whether they want to or not) to raise CASH to pay out contractually promised benefits. And the demographics suggest that they will probably all have to start selling at roughly the same time. Once this process begins, Game Theory dictates that it will quickly gain momentum and be quite a sight to see.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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No worries - [JPI] Just Print It.  Solves everything.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:42 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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they will never get their money back out.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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cut pensions by 87%

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment El Oregonian
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Welcome to ALPO World CaliWorkers, If you heat it up to 127 degrees and you close your eyes while eating it, it can faintly remind you of sloppy joe's.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:03 | Link to Comment pods
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Bullish for Texas Pete's!

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:22 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's barbecue season, so throw a few Gaines-Burgers on the grill.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:34 | Link to Comment Jay Gould Esq.
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Pods -- Habanero Tabasco.Texas Pete's is bootstrap molasses in comparison.

It's all about the Scovilles.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment HD
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If they had any balls they would blame Ben and Zirp and tell their clients to get used to it...

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
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Well actually as much as I think the public unions are fleecing the taxpayers they would probably have a case with Libor being manipulated

The $800 Trillion Scandal: How Banks' LIBOR Lies Affected You

Pension funds, furthermore, routinely hold income-generating securities in which payments are based upon LIBOR. 

in full

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/07/09/the-800-trillion-scandal-how-banks-libor-lies-affected-you/

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:44 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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More evidence that ZIRP is a zero sum game - from creditors to debtors.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
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At least they have the high speed rail (sarc)

HIGH SPEED RAIL ADVOCATES DISCREDIT THEIR CAUSE - AGAIN

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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“It’s important to remember that CalPERS is a long-term investor and one year of performance should not be interpreted as a signal about our ability to achieve our investment goals over the long-term,” said Henry Jones, Chair of CalPERS Investment Committee.

 

I suppose it woud be fair to ask what the last 3 and 5 year return has been?  OK - do a 10 year too if available.  I would if I knew where to look - figure someone here has it at their fingertips.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment francis_the_won...
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They do a great job of hiding the investment returns in their annual reports.  Just Google "calpers investments and download the PDF.  I'd post the numbers, but don't want to rob you of the enjoyment of scrolling through the freakin thing to find the one bit of information that everyone should want at the top.  They do a great job of showing how their balances have grown, they just hid the IRR.

Calsters does a better job.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:29 | Link to Comment sdmjake
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Here ya go:   http://www.calpers.ca.gov/eip-docs/about/facts/investments.pdf

TOTAL Return for 5 yrs ended 3/31/12 = 1.2%

TOTAL Return for 10 yrs ended 3/31/12 = 5.7%

That ain't working out nearly as well as they are actuarially anticipating...good luck with that...

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:45 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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Thanks - I did try ;-)

Francis was right!

 

Bet it ALL on black.

 

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment Ineverslice
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Missed it by that much....

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment narnia
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the last step for financials this year:  solve for 1% positive return by plugging arbitrary real estate return (15.9% my ass)

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment Kaiser Sousa
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It's all good...we rich here n California...
Just watch out for all the pot holes that r more like fox holes...
fuck calpers and all those "pay me" guvment workers...
Sick of all this bullshit.....

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment HD
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Indeed. It's my understanding that California has more "bounce" than all us all combined. So they have that going for them...

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment SemperFord
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I agree, don't drive down the Gateway to LAX/ Century BLVD, I have been in third world countries with dirt roads smoother than Century! I feel bad for my bilstein shocks :(

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:47 | Link to Comment FubarNation
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You have to be wondering of these big pension funds are starting to shit their pants.  If I were a member I'd be cashing out quick like.

Do they really think they will be solvent in the next 5-10 years?

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:44 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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A. Big pension funds have neither shit nor pants.

B. the people that run the fund have separate fully funded private pensions. 

C. the fund pensioners would if they could cash out, they can't. 

D. the people that appoint the fund managers have their own separate fully funded privately controlled pension-which isn't invested in MBS or even invested in America for that matter. 

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment youngman
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Revenues are down..but expenses are going up......not a good combo..but of course California is on the hook for the cost overruns...its in their constitution....so down down down it goes....but I am SURE the Federal Politicians will come in to save them...a state that is to big to fail....

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Psssstttttt! Hey, buddy. Heres a tip. If you ever see or hear the word "california",,,,RUN.  Pass it on.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment sdmjake
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LMAO - thanks Cossack...ain't that the truth!

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:35 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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I'd vote in favor of giving California back to Mexico. It'd serve Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein right, not to mention all those Hollywood elites.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 20:01 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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Actually the Mexicans prefer it remain CA, where they can rape and pillage their neighbors, what goes on in CA doesn't occur in Mexico and wouldn't be tolerated-in spite of their lack of gun rights. 

 

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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Their CIO get a $475K base and up to another 75% of that in bonus depending on performance.

Wonder how much Calpers paid out in fees from Jan to June for that 1% return.

Would have been better buying the 10 year and gold.

Fucking muppets.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 20:10 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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probably about a half a percentage of the assets, I dunno about Jan to- June 2012, but from a  2010 article http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2010-12-14/calpers-fee-review

"Calpers has more than $200bn in assets and paid $929m in active investment-management and performance fees in the fiscal year ended June 30".

So fees back in 2010 were around 1/2% of the assets.

The state claims to have made a fee structure reform, so fees NOW are probably 1 or 2%-(but better hidden)

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:53 | Link to Comment bidaskspread
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Does the 1% assume the settlement amount that they are going to claim for LIEBOR?

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment zero19451945
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Pension administrators need to start talking up against Bernanke.

It is negligence on their part for not doing so.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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That cesium GW is talking about can't reach the west coast soon enough.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 15:58 | Link to Comment centerline
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Funny.  Just a few years ago it was taboo to talk about pensions and munis.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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CNBC talking heads are starting to lose it ... I think it's funny. They know how f'd up the charade is and are starting to find it harder every day to mask their disgust.

It's still subtle. But, it's definately different in the fact that they are not all 100% running in the same direction like we've seen for the last three yrs.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:24 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Their viewership is down, partly because no one wants to invest in the rigged game with the banksters and hft-ers and partly because unless you are one of the sheeple you aren't buying any of the crap they had been trying to sell for the last 3 1/2 years.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:28 | Link to Comment stocktivity
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They're all worried cause ratings on CNBC are way down. I've been watching Fox Business more and more...they aren't paid cheerleaders and the women are hotter. I can see why Melissa Francis left CNBC and moved over there. They can speak their minds and call a spade a spade.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Larry Dallas
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Fox Business has the 2nd best set of tits in the business, Liz Claman. She knows it too. Everything else is blonde hair and gratuitious leg views.

But sadly to say, Calpers bene's will be eating dog food one day because of this. Mixed with refried beans, maybe its not so bad.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Ropingdown
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I'm from the East Coast and I could be wrong, but I believe the taxpayers of California have to make good Calpers shortfalls eventually.  It will be competing for TP funds with railroads to nowhere and medicaid for every fourth CA household.  Good luck.  No moving back east, dudes, until we do our own Prop 13.  After that, you're welcome to come back.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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All your pension plans belong to us.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:02 | Link to Comment catch edge ghost
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Pimpin' ain't easy.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment knowshitsurelock
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Calper's has nothing to worry about. It's all invested in Credit Default Swaps and Mortgage Backed Securities in the Derivatives Market, which is only leveraged 400 to 1.

What could possibly go wrong?

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:31 | Link to Comment sdmjake
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I could only find about $11,000,000,000.00 worth of MBS in their financial report. What's the problem????

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Neezer
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The defined benefit pension system is a joke. It really only generates massive fees for private equity/hedge fund managers who can promise double-digit returns with a straight face. Since the investments will be illiquid, it will be 10+ years before the pension fund realizes they haven't earned anything close to zero on a nominal basis and actually produced a massive negative return after fees. At least the managers can smooth over the pension trustees in the short-term with bottles of Bollinger and steak dinners every few months to keep the illusion of the "alpha" generation alive, and over the long-term with promises of lucrative consulting jobs for the trustees once their terms are over (or they've been fired for mismanagement).

The day public pension funds report both their investments and their liabilities at fair value is the day the markets crap their pants.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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The Speaker of the CA assembly is LA Mayor Villar's gay Communist cousin, he was elected from So LA where the Mexican mafia counts the votes (literally)  http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2012/07/cudahy_officials_agree_to.php

"In his plea agreement, Perales, 43, who ran the Code Enforcement Division of the Cudahy Community Services Department, admits being a bag man for city officials who took bribes, including Silva and Conde. The Perales plea agreement also discusses election fraud during the 2007 municipal election when absentee ballot were diverted before reaching the City Clerk. Perales “and other city officials routinely and systematically opened the absentee ballots cast in the 2007 City Council election by mail,” according to the statement of facts in Perales’ plea agreement. “Ballots cast in favor of the incumbent candidates were resealed and returned to the mail to be counted. Ballots for non-incumbent candidates were discarded.” Perales and other city officials did the same thing during the 2009 Cudahy City Council election, according to the court document."

 

I've said it once I've said it 1000 times, the Mexican mafia runs CA. 

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:42 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Bringing Mexican food to the U.S. was fine. Bringing Mexican workers to the U.S. under the bracero program was fine. Bringing Mexican corruption to California...well, not so fine.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:59 | Link to Comment Chuck Walla
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No wonder Obama wants these guys here. What an electoral advantage!

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:13 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Scalpers

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:23 | Link to Comment Widowmaker
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This is the tip of the iceberg.

The scalping of the boomer-generation at large to reward greed and failure awaits in this here wood.

The 1% gets all the stimulus, the 99% gets the fucking rake.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:26 | Link to Comment surf0766
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Clawback all teacher pensions.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment L_Conquistador
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Well, at least CalPERS probably has some really sensible PC investing guidelines, such as not investing in anything which produces emissions, waste, noice, bad vibes, bad karma or bad feelings.  

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment sumo
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What a relief that well-paid advisors have kept CalPERS away from physical Gold, Silver and Platinum. Because the 10Y, 5Y and 1Y returns on those investments really suck, right?

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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My crystal ball sees conversion to 401k's coming very soon.

The death blow for defined benefit schemes has fallen.

More locked in Muppets to fleece.

Bullish for bank stocks.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:46 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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If Obama gets reelected and this pension stuff becomes a crisis, look for nationalization of all retirement plans. Roll, pensions, 401Ks, etc. into a "new and improved" Social Security. Waivers will be granted for union bosses and politicians.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:44 | Link to Comment graneros
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You nailed that one Brother.  I was going to post "watch for The Fed to bail out Calpers," but you said it much better.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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As deflation picks up momentum.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:05 | Link to Comment quasimodo
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1%? WOOT WOOT

That's better than nothing?

LMAO at Cali everytime I read an article, for it's always about how XXX it broke or XXX is Chapter 11, etc.

This is better than As The World Turns--not that I wish anything ill on the few that live there who actually give a flying fuck.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:49 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Anyone who still lives in Cali and actually gives a flying whatever gets what they deserve.The writing is on the wall: major failure is imminent.

In a couple of years that'll probably apply to U.S. residents, like me.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 18:58 | Link to Comment graneros
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I have several relatives who made it out.  Just had a Brother and Sister in law escape to S. Oregon.  Not sure what that accomplished. But he's on Calpers and a big supporter of Odumbo so no one gives a shit about them anyway.  I do feel for those who want out but can't sell.  Plus so many elderly who lived their whole lives in a completely different California who now find themselves living in a third world toilet bowl and are too old too escape.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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At a 1% discount rate, Calpers unfunded liability will have 12 zeros.  Ouch.  Bankruptcy attorneys in California should have no trouble covering their billable hours quotas this year - any city in California that wasn't insolvent already certainly is now.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:51 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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And just what will those bankruptcy lawerys expect to be paid in? Cali IOUs, redeemable for free rides on the high-speed rail system?

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:21 | Link to Comment ejmoosa
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In 72 years, they could double the value of their assets...

 

Hot damn!

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:26 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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I suggest they buy Greek and Spanish debt, there is 0% chance of subordination or default.  Doesn't every zoo in Cali have a couple of unicorns?

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:38 | Link to Comment Snakeeyes
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they could have bought 1 year Treasuries and fired all their money managers.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:38 | Link to Comment I should be working
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Wait, is fiscal 2012 June 2011 to June 2012?

-7% on equity? Who the fuck is running this shit show? You underperformed the S&P 500 by 10% in one year?

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:39 | Link to Comment g3h
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But wait.  It is not about ZIRP.

The return on fixed income investment is 12%.  Really, despite the low yield, price appreciation is the drive.  So if Calpers invested all in fixed income, it could have beaten the its own goal of 7.5%.

Time to hire Marrisa Mayer for the top job.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:44 | Link to Comment I should be working
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Yeah, clearly if history is any guide you should put EVERYTHING in the investment that is doing the best, preferably on margin.

As we speak someone in California is figuring out how to do just that...

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:48 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Abolish the FED and arrest Bernanke, Geithner, Greenspan, Summers and Rubin. Just to mention a few.

Oh and make Krugman wet his pants by putting a warrent out on him for questioning.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 17:52 | Link to Comment dcb
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Maybe they should spend a bit of money to get people inthere to have folks who know what they are doing. my guess is they still work with stupid models instead of long term cyclic pe. I'd also imagine the folks running are picked for political reasons. they also have enough money floating around they could move the market if were active traders.

nice to see I can get a better return on my money in a week then they do a year. (Lol). better off giving their money to grantham and just letting go!!!

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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I talk to state, county, and city employees about the state of CalPERS and CALSTRS and most of them look at me like I am building an Ark and gathering two of every species. Ooops...forgot to grab a couple unicorns.

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:36 | Link to Comment economicminor
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Just a slow moving train wreck, nothing more... go on people, clear the sceen so the professionals can get back to work! The fun is all over...

 

For today!

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 19:36 | Link to Comment economicminor
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Just a slow moving train wreck, nothing more... go on people, clear the sceen so the professionals can get back to work! The fun is all over...

 

For today!

Mon, 07/16/2012 - 20:56 | Link to Comment Jena
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TPTB will use schools and children as human shields (not my idea -- I think it was Dan Walters of the Sacto Bee) as they insist on increasing taxpayer funding for the schools in the upcoming election but you know that every cent will go toward funding these bankrupt pensions schemes.  

I wouldn't be surprised if even the high-speed rail boondoggle was a bait-and-switch deal, just a slick trick to get money into the state coffers to keep the pension funds from hitting 'tilt'.

 

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 02:56 | Link to Comment cpzimmon
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Why not just raise taxes in California? They do it all the time...nothing new.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 05:28 | Link to Comment HungrySeagull
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Break the Buck?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 22:56 | Link to Comment Wags
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Demand for Contributions are sure to rise. However the ability to pay is going down. The major problem for most cities in California is their CALPERS Contributions are already destroying their budgets. They are having to laid off current employees to pay for retired emplyees. How sane is that?

What this really means is more bankruptcies are sure to follow.

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