Capitulation Redux Or August 2010 Deja Vu: Goldman Downgrades US Economy, Sees One In Three Risk Of Recession, Expects Some QE3 Announcement Next Week

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Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:19 | 1526906 GeneMarchbanks
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KA- FUCKing- BOOM!

Earlier I read a post by a fellow ZHer about QE3 now being in doubt after the NFP. That person, and those of the same mindset, are clearly unawares as to the game rules. What Goldman wants, Goldman gets, sooner or later.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:29 | 1526983 SheepDog-One
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And any QE now will have a lifespan of what, maybe 24 hours? Its not 2008 anymore, and no one believes in any of this crap.

OH I also read a whole fukload of ZH bulls posts back at DOW 12,700 area about how theyre all in long for the guaranteed huge run up. How did that work out?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:40 | 1527052 dbach
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A QE announcement will have a long lifespan for PMs.

I don't think there will be a QEIII announcement next week though. Anemic growth is not enough to get the Bernank to go for it. He doesnt want to look implusive, which is what another QE would be after this market dump. Besides its only been 2 months without it. The market will have to fall further for the printing presses to start spinning. If he goes for it next week, it would have to be huge to have any impact what-so-ever on equities.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1527140 buzzsaw99
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doesn't want to look impulsive? the guy who cut rates 75 bps because of the rogue trader at socgen doesn't want to look impulsive? hahahahahaha

this whole selloff is a god damn shakedown by the banks to get more qe and bigger bonuses. the bernank will comply.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:18 | 1527214 dbach
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Fair point. I guess I just wouldn't want to look like such a push-over in such a public office.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 14:30 | 1527786 MichaelG
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I read it as "doesn't want to look implosive."

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:41 | 1527059 Highrev
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Oh my fucking God!

And it's Goldman who says so. At the height of the selling! (Need a close at the LOD to guarantee that nice panic on Monday so they can load up long again.)

ROFLMAO

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/italian-spanish-belgian-spreads-record-intesa-and-dexia-limit-down-markets-plunge-cats-and-dogs#comment-1525978

 

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:31 | 1527021 slaughterer
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"Additional quantitative easing—i.e., a further sizable expansion of the balance sheet—sometime later in 2011 or in 2012 is possible..." (Jan Hatzius, Goldman Sachs). 

This should be good for a green close if CNBS picks it up. 

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:42 | 1527061 Tortfeasor
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I don't think there is enough debt head-room to make a substantive QE3.  Can't buy debt if there isn't enough room under the debt ceiling.  So they'll have to get creative.  QE3 will not be a simple redo of QE2.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:07 | 1527151 Toolshed
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I would think that further money printing, or whatever they choose to call it this time, will ensure a ratings downgrade and vastly increased hostility from from all our global "friends". But that's just me. Maybe we need a nice global conflict to distract us from our REAL PROBLEMS.......you  know our elected leaders and their "friends".

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:14 | 1526916 snowball777
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1 in 3? Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:24 | 1526959 SheepDog-One
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Goldman meant 2/3 or '66.6' chance of greatest depression. We're already in recession by any historical measure.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:18 | 1526920 Gibu The Great
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33.333333333% bitchez

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:11 | 1527169 r101958
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Yes, but a 100% chance of the current depression continuing.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:17 | 1526923 Racer
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More free money for the banksters to pump up oil prices again :(

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:20 | 1526938 j0nx
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Why not? It's not like Americans have figured out what they have done so far. Americans are still blaming big oil and marching for gay rights. Clueless lemmings.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:22 | 1526952 walküre
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Trade accordingly.

Oil is starting to look beaten down at this level. The snap back and the fill to Brent could see up to 10% improvement on the day next week.

Don't forget if the price keeps going down, the Arabs will start to squak about reducing output etc.

I'm always hungry for gold but at this point, I'm getting more thirsty for oil.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:42 | 1527063 vast-dom
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you are absolutely on the $.

 

oil is bargain.

 

Sept. Oct. will see massive MENA unrest. Oil will break past $112 mid to late Sept. 

 

Oh and I still haven't eaten my humble pea pie yet re: DOW 10,800 for day. My excuse? The Job #'s are beyond cooked. And Tyler's UnN duration post is the real horror-show du jour!

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:19 | 1526929 Azannoth
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Yogi  Beara is spinning in his grave :)

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:17 | 1526935 Version 7
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Goldman Sees: As Blind As A Bat

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:20 | 1526937 Spastica Rex
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67% chance no recession, YAY!

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:19 | 1526943 yabs
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well we all knew the banksters were crashing stocks to get QE3

they are not telling us what they THINK bernanke will do

they are telling us what they have TOLD the bernank to do

if the us public put up with more money printing they are the dumbest fucks on the planet

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:37 | 1527039 espirit
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Yup, playbook.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:22 | 1526944 Texas Ginslinger
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I'm buying the gold coins Glenn Beck likes..........

Because he advertises on zh........

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:29 | 1526990 Spastica Rex
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Install an ad blocker on your browser, it might make you feel better and shut you up.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:56 | 1527112 fuu
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Why is it so hard for people to understand how google ads work?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:21 | 1526947 yabs
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well we all knew the banksters were crashing stocks to get QE3

they are not telling us what they THINK bernanke will do

they are telling us what they have TOLD the bernank to do

if the us public put up with more money printing they are the dumbest fucks on the planet

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:22 | 1526948 Wynn
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bye bye miss american pie

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:53 | 1527108 DosZap
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Drive yo Chevy to da levee,but da levee WAS DRY.................................

Right now I wish I had the Cheech and Chong truck from Up in Smoke.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:22 | 1526950 DonnieD
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GM below $25. Cue Rattner on CNBC Monday morning talking up this piece of trash.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:23 | 1526973 walküre
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Cadillac is rolling out 2 new products. LOL

Did you buy the IPO, you schmuck?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:23 | 1526957 Lets Hang Parliament
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Quote from Harry Wanger December 22nd 2010 "Not in 2011. Maybe in 2012 but definitely not going to see 1170 any time soon"

Stand by your beds - last print 1182

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:31 | 1527002 SheepDog-One
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RoboTrader 2 weeks ago 'I just posted on many message board forums that Im all in long for the 'debt deal' certain run up to the moon, I'm all in long here at DOW 12,700 all aboard dont get left behind'

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:56 | 1527116 Lets Hang Parliament
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Bingo! sub 1170!

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:46 | 1527081 Spastica Rex
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I sure miss that guy. Good trolls are hard to find.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:04 | 1527138 Overflow-admin
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Last print 1168. Hammy Wanger pwned (once again)

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:21 | 1526958 Irish66
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someone is dumping C

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:56 | 1527082 caerus
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looks like they were subpoenaed by CA over MBS this morn

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:12 | 1527177 r101958
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Yep, Goldman and JPM.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:24 | 1526963 KnightsofNee
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Same shit, different quarter.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:24 | 1526964 yabs
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well we all knew the banksters were crashing stocks to get QE3

they are not telling us what they THINK bernanke will do

they are telling us what they have TOLD the bernank to do

if the us public put up with more money printing they are the dumbest fucks on the planet

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:23 | 1526969 Iriestx
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QE3 mention in the newswire should be enough for the algos to send us green for the day.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:28 | 1526980 Mugatu
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Every QE is 50% bigger than the last, so watch this one jump to an additional $1 trillion.  Whoppeeeeee!

 

What does it all mean?  Its just paper after all!

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:31 | 1526981 Widowmaker
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QE 3 = record bonuses for the faggots at Goldman sacks.

Why else would Limp dick Hatzius be revising? Payday in Zion with your money that is why.

Fuck the fraud factory.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 12:14 | 1527189 Nascent_Variable
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The banksters need enough FRNs to each buy a hollowed out volcano and army of henchman before the bottom falls out.  They should be close at this point.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:31 | 1526988 Caviar Emptor
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Wall Street and other corporate welfare queens waiting with their hands out for ReadyCash(TM) from BernyFed(R). 

Net result: more crazy levels of ReadyCash(TM) "on balance sheets" (to be converted to GoldeNPchute(R) brand convertible exchange medium), more foreign sedans in tony driveways drinking WahabiGas(R) and SinaYunk on Walmart shelves. But no boost to GDP or employment and big incrase in SNAP card volume. Biflation heaven! 

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:30 | 1526991 Cdad
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10 point bounce on the S&P...in four minutes.  Nice market.

Round 'em up...bankers, central or otherwise.  While your at it, pick up Duncan Niederauer...for perpetrating this mess on America.

 

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 14:13 | 1527030 Widowmaker
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Usdoj?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:36 | 1527032 Widowmaker
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Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:31 | 1527010 GlassHammer
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"a further sizable expansion of the balance sheet—sometime later in 2011 or in 2012 is possible, but is not our base case at this point."

So GS hasn't told the FED what to do?

Or maybe they have...

The only thing I know for certain is GS will say anything to make money. 

 

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