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CBO Cuts Forecast Of Cumulative 2012-2021 Deficit By 50%, Admits It Is Probably Dead Wrong

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Today, the CBO whipped out its trusty old magic 8 ball, and released its revised forecast of the future. Since there is a substantial difference from the March forecast for the cumulative 10 year deficit over the 2012-2021 period, to the tune of $3.250 trillion, or just about 50% of the last deficit forecast of $6,737 billion, which is now a ridiculous $3.5 trillion, it is about that time for us to, in turn, whip out trusty old history and demonstrate just how worthless and criminally incompetent the CBO's estimates of the future are. Here is what we posted two short weeks ago: "While we reserve judgment for S&P's effectiveness at being accurate in anything they do (they are, after all a rating agency and as such they goal seek results to comply with what their paying groupthink seeking customers demand), we would like to redirect to the modest topic of CBO predictive efficiency (the organization that is at the basis of the current credibility spat between Treasury and S&P, and which, incidentally has created the baseline forecast against which the debt ceiling compromise plan is supposed to cut $2.1 trillion over the next decade), by pointing out according to the same CBO back in 2001, net US indebtedness in 2011 would be negative $2.436 trillion, the ratio of debt held by the public to GDP would be 4.8%, total budget surplus would be $889 billion, and GDP would be $16.9 trillion. We won't comment on the error interval in CBO forecasts when compared to actual 2011 results, and we most certainly won't comment on the idiocy of the Treasury chastising someone, anyone, for erring, or disputing, forecasts." We will comment now: the CBO was off by tens of trillions. And it will be again. Expect massive future revisions to the August CBO baseline, which just cut the future decade cumulative deficit by 50%, however with one caveat: even the CBO admits it will most likely be horribly wrong.

First a pretty, if totally wrong chart:

So what does the current CBO budget incorporate? Well, the biggest boon to future deficit reduction is the $2.1 trillion Budget Control Act... which nobody has any idea what it will be. Indeed, of the $2.1 trillion in cumulative deficit cuts, $1 trillion is based on "policy changes" (Box 1-1, footnote 'b') which is nothing but a placeholder whose details not one person knows.

Additionally, that a $2.1 trillion debt ceiling expansion compromise will somehow lead to $3.25 trillion in actual deficit cuts requires some magical math that only the CBO appears to be privy to.

Other hilarious details:

  • Real GDP growth in 2011: 2.3%, in 2012: 2.7%, then 3.6% in 2013-2016, and 2.4% in 2017-2021
  • Unemployment rate of 8.9% in 2011; 8.5% in 2012; then a plunge to 5.3% in 2016 and 5.2% in 2021. This is surely feasible... if the labor force drops to 30% of the population.
  • Interest rates on the 10 Year at 3.2% in 2012, then rising to 5.3% in 2021.

Where will the surge in revenue come from:

Much of the increase through 2014 is attributable to the expiration of tax provisions enacted since 2001 and, to a lesser extent, to other scheduled changes in tax rules.

In other words, if there is no tax-hike, everything the CBO has forecast is absolutely, dead wrong.

It gets better:

In addition, certain structural features of the individual income tax will cause receipts to rise gradually over the next 10 years, and factors related to the economic recovery (such as anticipated rebounds in wages and salaries and in realizations of capital gains that are expected to outstrip projected growth in GDP) are projected to increase revenues further relative to GDP. Together, all of those forces push federal revenues in CBO’s baseline to 20.9 percent of GDP by 2021 (excluding any  changes arising from provisions of the Budget Control Act related to the deficit reduction committee). Over the past 40 years, federal revenues have averaged 18.0 percent of GDP.

So in the period following the second great depression top line government revenues will grow at above the historical average? Good luck.

But even if one assumes that somehow tax hikes for the rich do happen: something which will not be a reality if a republican president takes the White House in 2012, the CBO still expects GDP to continue growing as if taxes are 0.00% across the boar? Even more good luck.

Yet if one ignores all of the above, the only take home reading is the following:

"The budgetary challenges facing the fede ral government are not fully reflected in CBO’s baseline projections because current law provides for substantial changes to tax and spending policies in coming years. If those changes did not occur and current policies were continued instead, much larger deficits and much greater debt would result."

And this:

Beyond 2016, CBO’s economic forecast is based on the assumption that real GDP will grow at its potential rate, because CBO does not attempt to predict the timing or magnitude of fluctuations in the business cycle so far into the future. Thus, CBO’s projections for 2017 through 2021 reflect the agency’s assessment of economic conditions when real GDP is at its potential level

And this punchline:

The forecast described in this report does not reflect any other developments since early July, including the recent swings in financial markets and the annual revision to the national income and product accounts (compiled by the Bureau of Economic Analysis). Incorporating that recent news and economic data would have led CBO to temper its near-term forecast for economic growth.

And there you have it: since Obama's "compromise" means that a tax hike will not happen, and since economic growth has now plunged based on developments "since early July" the CBO has effectively said all of its projections are totally worthless. Q.E.D.

Charting the projections:

Source: CBO Update

 

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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:43 | 1595305 baby_BLYTHE
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we would have to achieve near double-digit growth in private demand for their projections to come true. No way in hell that will happen

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1595390 Tortfeasor
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$1.29 trillion budget deficit is 8% of a $16 trillion GDP.  So without borrowing money we're in contraction.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:10 | 1595427 CrashisOptimistic
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Hey, wait a minute!

Where did that 27 billion dollar REDUCTION in FY2012 (election year) discretionary spending come from?

Are they serious?  Obama is going to sign off on slashing 27 billion October to October?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:14 | 1595440 CrashisOptimistic
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Wait a minute, rev 2.0!

Look at the Super Duper Committee's legislative changes.

$111B  $111B  $111B  $111B  .........

They have them chopping 111Billion per year EVERY year for 9 years.

hahahahahahahahah

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:12 | 1595430 ElvisDog
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Where do you get $16T? 2011 GDP is closer to $14T. It is correct that the 12% deficit adds directly to GDP, so any cut to the deficit subtracts directly from GDP.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 16:54 | 1596616 smlbizman
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question...i was under the immpression that the cbo just calculated others data...is this a wrong assumption?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:35 | 1595524 trav7777
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yeah...the 10 year projection is forecasting deficits, what...1/3 of what they are now?  How in the fk is this gonna happen?

And the revised case is $350B/yr?  GTFO here with that BS, CBO

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:59 | 1595657 hambone
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DO NOT QUESTION THE GREAT AND ALL KNOWING WIZARD...NEVER MIND THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN...we will click our shoes tegether 3x's and say there's no place like fantasyland and voila.  Suprised they didn't wrap it up w/ budget surplus.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:43 | 1595306 LookingWithAmazement
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I'm bored again. Even the deficits don't scare anymore. Boring world we live in.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:45 | 1595308 hugovanderbubble
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Barclays RISK OFF

http://www.rankia.com/respuestas/907633/fotos/52377

 

Sell UK BANKS Urgently...

UK to be downgraded

 

Societe Generale CDS hits new record.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:55 | 1595362 LookingWithAmazement
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Much ado about nothing. Remember that recent Fed 1.2 trillion to the banks? We survived, even unnoticed until recently. Boring world we live in.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:45 | 1595313 slaughterer
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CBO to the rescue! super-committee work? "piece of cake, Gordon."

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:45 | 1595315 Cognitive Dissonance
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In other words, if there is no tax-hike, everything the CBO has forecast is absolutely, dead wrong.

When I was a young(er) man everything was different. Sad really. When are we going to bury the corpse and have the Irish wake? Is it still bring your own bottle?

I'll bring three just in case.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:46 | 1595319 alexwest
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thank you tyler

 

alx

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:46 | 1595320 oogs66
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the lies are getting too big to swallow and more people are questioning how bad it really is if they feel the need to lie so much!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:03 | 1595400 kridkrid
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That's typical of all Ponzi schemes.  The lie starts out small... and possibly with the intention of not always being a lie (i.e. if we can actually create some spectacular returns, some way or another, maybe we don't actually have to be lying).  But compounding interest has a way of sneaking up on people.  The thing about this one... people really want like hell to believe the lie.  They will search for any positive news to support their normalcy bias or tune out completely (also to support their normalcy bias).  We live in an echo chamber of truth on this board, but reflect a remarkably tiny percentage of people.  We live in a collective illusion.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:21 | 1595475 NOTaREALmerican
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Re: We live in an echo chamber of truth on this board, but reflect a remarkably tiny percentage of people.

 

But, what if the human society requires a Ponzi?   The clueless peasants and the predator nobility being always present in some form.   The US has been a Ponzi for the last 50+ years.   Big-Mic, Big-Ag, Big-Road, Big-Water, Big-Airport, Big-Ed, Big-House, Big-FIRE, Big-AntiDrug, Big-PoliceState, and (coming soon) Big-AntiSpaceAlienDefenseProgram, all centrally-planned scams that (as you said, might have started with "good intentions") but ended up being socialism for the politically connected (the nobility).

If the Ponzi is the truth for most people, "we" might be wrong.      The USSR lasted for 70+ years,  surely we can do better than THAT (we've got better predator birds and a cooler flag, after all).

 

 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:30 | 1595509 NotApplicable
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I'd say human society requires that good ole eternal vigilance. Ponzi's and other herd scams are the price we pay when this lesson is temporarily forgotten, which, IMO is wholly due to government school systems intentional destruction of critical thinking skills in order to instill loyalty and compliance to their authority.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:43 | 1595570 kridkrid
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I don't know if it is required.... but I suppose I might call it inevitable, if I were feeling particularly nihilistic, which I tend towards.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:48 | 1595324 buzzsaw99
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The CBO has been compromised. They had a semblance independence and integrity for awhile but Owebama corrupted them along with everything else. The CBO is just another political hack now.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:10 | 1595422 Nascent_Variable
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The Coniving Bullshit Office strikes again.  Time for Obama to call a press conference and announce that his stimulus plan cut the deficit by $3 trillion.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:11 | 1595429 kridkrid
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I think you said the same thing about NPR yesterday (if it wasn't you, forgive me).  I was going to comment yesterday that this has been going on for far longer than people want to give credit.  This isn't a creation of the Obama administration any more than deceit was invented by the Bush administration.  Do people really believe that the ruling elite would allow the system that they created to be corrupted by the whims of the electorate?  We have had a monolithic monetary policy and monolithic foreign policy since as far back as JFK, perhaps further. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8 - give this a listen... IMO... this has run unopposed since JFK was taken out.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:44 | 1595581 tarsubil
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I'm starting to prefer the far more terrifying Alan Moore explanation, "the world is rudderless."

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 13:08 | 1595714 kridkrid
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Like most things, I would bet that things fall somewhere in the middle.  I mean obviously entities conspire to control resources and subjugate people.  Less obviously, but I believe quite clearly, much of this is done in a way that it allows it to remain undetected to most.  For example, the false choice that is provided in our two party system creates an illusion of choice, of freedom, of a voice.  But perhaps the world remains rudderless as competing conspiracies battle for control, or as they lose their control over the primary points of indoctrination.  Who knows. May you live in interesting times.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:17 | 1595461 MacGruber
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The CBO has always been the caged stepchild of every administration.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:48 | 1595325 naomix
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CBO in this analysis is assuming expiration of ALL Bush tax cuts, i.e. tax raises on everyone, not just the wealthy

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:14 | 1595447 ElvisDog
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That's a good point. People get all lathered up about the "Bush tax cuts for the wealthy", but if the Bush tax cuts go away, the working poor lose their 10% tax bracket. Their taxes go up.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:47 | 1595593 naomix
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Tax raises on the rich generate $800bn over 10 years, tax raises on everyone generate $3.1tn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget#Debates_about_...

  • Making the tax cuts permanent for all taxpayers, regardless of income, would increase the national debt $3.1 trillion over the next 10 years.
  • Limiting the extension to individuals making less than $200,000 and married couples earning less than $250,000 would increase the debt about $2.3 trillion in the next decade.

 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:49 | 1595333 EscapeKey
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"we really have no idea, so here are some numbers which we saw scribbled on the bathroom wall"

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:38 | 1595539 slewie the pi-rat
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hey, E_K!

"..whatever Lola wants...,...Lola gets..."

where "lola" = "supercongo" ?????

just (L0L)- a thought...

the federal budget is so outa control (except for the various mobs who get to milk it)  and the books are so outa balance,  that the CBO can't figure this shit out anymore, either!

maybe biden et al ordered this platter 0'patter for their chinese friends;  who knows?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:50 | 1595336 DefiantSurf
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Obama to Gietner : first we need Moody's to downgrade Japan, next we need the CBO to make our forecast better than skittle shitting unicorns, then Friday have Bernanke unleash $2t for QE3, saturday we'll have another call with the new S&P CEO we installed, and ask him how he likes the new yacht we bought him?

its just getting embarrassing now....

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:54 | 1595350 centerline
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Truth being stranger than fiction. Yup. The spin control is simply amazing lately. Money still talks, for now.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:26 | 1595496 Miss Expectations
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If only Zero Hedge could merge with TMZ, we could get photos of said CEO's yachts (and mansions, jets, private islands, mistresses....)

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:51 | 1595338 DormRoom
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When the CBO published their 2001 report of -2T indebtness by 2011, it gave the NeoCons the wherewithall to implement the project for the New American Century.  Their thinking was that US would have a surplus, so why not use it to police the world, and expand the american empire.

 

Ten years, and 2 wars later, the US is broke, because of the CBO false projections, and the misallocation of treasuries.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:51 | 1595339 r101958
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I think the reason for this change was the sudden invitation, to the head of CBO, to attend the Bahama's retirement farewell cruise party for the CEO of S&P.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:51 | 1595340 Paul Bogdanich
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"even the CBO admits it will most likely be horribly wrong."

Your criticism of the CBO is misplaced.  They are forced to calculate the "baseline" projections IAW what congress mandates.  When they adjust for unrealistic assumptions mandated by congress they give fairly accurate numbers.  Also they do adjust these numbers to take out the political adjustments they just delay that report for a qurter or so and in the interin admit right up front that the current report with the political adjuetments included is unreliable.  In short the probelm is not the CBO it's the congress so you could at least place the blame where it properly belongs or hire someone to write this drivel that is over 30 and a little drier behind the ears..   

 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:57 | 1595369 pods
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So if you knowingly spread disinformation it is not YOUR fault?

This is the ministry of economic truth we have here.

I must have missed the news report about the brownshirts coming at 2 am to take innocent economists from their bed and forcing them to work for the ministry of economic truth.  Sorry, the "just doing our job" defense has long grown old and weary.

pods

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:59 | 1595379 sudzee
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Blame game. Its always somebody else's problem. Big circle jerk of non-responsibilty. I'm firing all of you as of today. You got 4 hours to get that into a replacement CBO report.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:24 | 1595491 ElvisDog
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The problem is, Mr Bold Face Type, that the CBO assumptions appear to be based on the premise that nothing will affect anything else. For example, they claim that the deficit will be reduced to $500B in 2014 while at the same time maintaining 3.6% real GDP growth. How in the world does that happen? Deficit spending adds directly to GDP. You cut Govt spending (or take from the private sector by way of increased taxes) 8% of GDP to get to that $500B, then private sector GDP has to expand by that same 8% to make up the difference. According to the CBO, those two items can happily coexist. In the real world, it doesn't work that way. If my take home declines due to increased taxation, my economic activity declines as well.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:51 | 1595341 SRV - ES339
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Sorry, but I don't see the evil in revising the projections after the debt ceiling agreement... what should they have done, increase the number after congress made committments to reduce????

At this point, arguing over a Trillion or so, over 10 years, seems futile, petty, misguided... and boring,

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:52 | 1595342 Mr Creosote
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Look at the change in discretionary spending. Are they effin' serious? 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:53 | 1595346 alien-IQ
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Seems like they are now desperately trying to keep the machine running for a bit longer...

Which brings us to the First Rule of Zombieland: Cardio.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:44 | 1595582 Larry Darrell
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Cardio, while extremely important, is not the first option.

Unlike the movie zombies, those coming to the USSA do go down with well placed bullets.

You only need to run after you run out of ammo.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:54 | 1595355 Dr. Engali
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It will never happen as we will have more takers than producers. We will have more wars and higher unemployment. Trillion + dollar deficits are the new normal.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1595360 TruthInSunshine
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Yet another data point lie by our wholly corrupt and/or grossly incompetent government (take your pick, or assume some of each).

Jobs, confidence in institutions (government, media, etc.), standard of living...

The real jobless rate is close to 17%, and when including the underemployed, it surges closer to 22% (U6).

The real rate of inflation is closing in on 10%.

The real U.S. debt, if one includes future entitlement guarantees, is between 60 trillion (if one takes David M. Walker's estimates) and 200 trillion (if one accepts Laurence Kotlikoff's estimates).

Americans are losing confidence in their political leaders, captains of industry, government agencies (i.e. regulatory and statistical reporting agencies - hello SEC and BLS) and the "investment and financial markets" at the fastest rate since the 1930s.

Americans have seen their standard of living decimated, almost across all income distributions, as anything owned by them that falls in the "big ticket" categories (that credit is required to purchase, such as their homes) have gotten decapitated and are falling still, as their "financial portfolios" not only get crushed in real terms but also in NOMINAL terms (there are 25 year buy and hold bagholders who are now sitting with losses due to the incredibly rigged casino that is Wall Street and sell-side finance), and Bernanke & Geithner/Paulson helped to kick them in the balls further, as Treasury & The Federal Reserve undertook policies (TARP, TALF, QE) that provided false floors for price discovery on assets (at heavy taxpayer expense) and stoked heavy real inflation (at heavy consumer expense, working as a tax on consumption - Bernank's paradoxical boomerang lined with a razor blade).

The rise of the alternate media has embarrassed the Main Stream Media and exposed them as the proxy of government and the corpocracy that they have devolved into, and given the masses access to far more accurate information, while beginning the process by which the whole Ponzi Scheme that is fractional reserve banking, deep capture of government by the military-industrial-financial-corporate complex is exposed in plain day light.

A Ponzi scheme relies on CONFIDENCE.

When the history books are written on this chapter of the human experience, it should be titled CONfidence Lost.

Many of these same things can be said of European Nations and the relationship of their citizenry with their institutions.

It's all coming apart for the gatekeepers.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:56 | 1595363 PulauHantu29
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It should be rather obvious that many communities in California are still in mega-bubbles.  Old habits are hard to change and we have a large group of people force fed on the bubble decade real estate religion that somehow, their niche market is blessed with certain inalienable rights that give it an advantage.

 

So who were the Bubble Buyers?

 

http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/year-house...

http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com/calabasas-real-estate-median-home-pri...

 

 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:57 | 1595366 Balmyone
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Lower deficit projections opens the door for more presidential largesse.  Who wants to bet that Obama is going to make a whopper of a fiscal stimulus push to ensure his re-election.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:33 | 1595520 ElvisDog
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And....? Will the Republican-controlled House pass Obama's stimulus push? I think not. It won't even get out of committee.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:56 | 1595640 tarsubil
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Oh, there will be some emergency. They'll have no other choice. You got to believe them. They care about you.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:57 | 1595367 hambone
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These sorts of bald faced lies and government propaganda would make Goebels very proud.  Perhaps we can rename the CBO something like the "Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Truth"...has a nice ring to it.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:41 | 1595559 krispkritter
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Ministry of Inaccuracy and Skittles Shitting Equine Deities (MISSED)

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:57 | 1595374 mtthw2
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Does anyone beleive anything these guys say or do anymore?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:05 | 1595402 anynonmous
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yes lots of people will

Much like FASB and the change in Mark to Market (make believe) these numbers will be folded into every discussion of the economy, deficit, debt etc and become the baseline.

Read Elmindorfs bio it tells the story. 

www.cbo.gov/aboutcbo/organization/elmendorf_longbio.pdf

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 11:59 | 1595378 pods
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If every single economist from the CBO does not resign due to knowingly spreading false information then they are complicit.

pods

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:24 | 1595486 kridkrid
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I believe that's a rhetorical statement, no?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:00 | 1595388 trillion_dollar...
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Question:

If the man who signed into law Obamacare lacks the guts to enforce its doc fix cuts, then who the hell else will have the guts to enforce them? 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1595389 LookingWithAmazement
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The goldbugs wer wrong on QE3. They thought gold and silver would go through the roof. The opposite happens: a run into stocks, out of PMs. Hmmmmmm. With a great durable goods today, the economy appears better than expected. Doomprophets can go to sleep a few years more. Boring world we live in.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:16 | 1595454 pods
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So one down day a trend makes?

pods

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:28 | 1595502 kridkrid
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Normalcy bias.  The one day drop is the data point he needs to confirm that all is well.  The more certain he can sound as he writes his words, the more certain he becomes.  As soon as he bolds a word or a phrase, he is certain he is certain.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 13:02 | 1595677 tarsubil
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Am I crazy for thinking that gold was allowed to go higher so that it would crash? Kinda like Picard slingshotting the Enterprise in a planet's gravitational field? This way they have a big down trend that they can point to for arguments with the serfs. Sort of how they scarred silver earlier. With a gold scarring, it will be double their pleasure as it will hurt the little bro too. Of course, I'm hoping for 1550 so I'm biased with my conspiracy theory.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:35 | 1595525 ElvisDog
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QE3? When was the announcement of QE3 again?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1595391 digalert
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I called bovine excrement at first word

Then here it is:

"not fully reflected in CBO’s baseline projections"

That's right, the baseline factor calls for 8% annual increase...

hmmm?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:03 | 1595403 pasttense
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So what do ZH regulars predict the 10 year budget deficit will be? Optimistically I am thinking it will average the current $1.5 trillion per year for a total of $15 trillion. On the other hand I would not be surprised if the budget deficit explodes substantially beyond this. The result will be hyperinflation.

For example I don't understand why anyone expects a massive decline in war spending (Iraq/Afghanistan). Not only are politicians living in a fantasy world about these two places, many of us expect an increase in wars over resources and continuing ethnic/religious conflicts. SO WHY IS PEACE SUDDENLY GOING TO BREAK OUT?

Some people here seem to be gullible enough to think the Republican Right wishes to control deficits. NONSENSE! While there is strong support there for gutting the social safety net, even if they cut the social safety net by a few hundred billion dollars per year this will be more than made up for by massive tax cuts for the rich and massive increases for defense and the war on terrorism, and increasing welare/bailouts for the rich.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:25 | 1595492 pods
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Well, not a regular here or anywhere really, maybe a "selected irregular" but I would be happy if we had a BUDGET in ten years.

pods

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 14:36 | 1596087 Poetic injustice
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20 billions, as more wars will need financing.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:04 | 1595405 Ausperity
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Don't worry, the SuperCongress will restore credibility to American fiscal policy.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:04 | 1595407 over45
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USA to be upgraded back to AAA ...  

 

 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:07 | 1595415 anynonmous
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without doubt and in fact O will turn it into a positive coordinating the change at the exact right moment in the election cycle  in mid 2012

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:36 | 1595528 dwdollar
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Exactly.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:12 | 1595431 gwar5
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Think you guys are right on both counts.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:10 | 1595425 gwar5
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This is really turning into bizarro world.  More signs of complete and utter desperation. I actually expect much better from the CBO who are usually more objective, despite the fact they are given Utopian assumptions they must work with. Who, or what, prompted this re-evaluation of their previous assessment anyway?  CBO is not supposed to be Obama's pervue.

 

Appears to be more 'Hide the Decline'.

 

 

 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:15 | 1595449 electronpaul
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"Real" GDP growth in 2011: 2.3%, in 2012: 2.7%, then 3.6% in 2013-2016, and 2.4% in 2017-2021

Is that real GDP as in Real+Inflation=Nominal?  So at 2% inflation they are predicting 4.3%, 4.7%, 5.6% GDP growth in the next 3 years?

How can anybody take this seriously....what a crock. I guess we know where we could save a few hundred billion - end the CBO!  RON PAUL 2012

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:23 | 1595478 CrashisOptimistic
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Real means by definition inflation adjusted.

The GDP numbers are not incredible.  I had heard they were using 5% as your calculation suggests, but no, GDP is generally "real".

However, what very much is scary is last week inflation reported as 6% annual.  Their numbers are WAY low if that 6% number holds up next month, because September is the money then Soc Sec payments and Medicare is computed for the next calender year.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:17 | 1595458 hambone
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Higher tax revenue and lower government spending will combine to produce above trend GDP and job growth with below trend inflation.

In other news, dogs and cats have now decided to live in harmony and avoid any further discord.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:27 | 1595499 carbonmutant
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"It doesn't matter whether or not they believe it. Just publish it."

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:32 | 1595517 dwdollar
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They're setting the groundwork for the S&P to upgrade in 6 months to a year.  Watch and be in awe of the sheer corruption and denial.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 13:03 | 1595678 Jim B
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Agree... With the head of S&P leaving, I was wondering what the waiting period for the upgrade would be .....

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:41 | 1595567 Everybodys All ...
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These guys need to change their name to the Congressional Bullshit Office.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:50 | 1595612 Winston Smith 2009
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Denninger once again blows right through the BS using only 3rd grade math:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=192898

 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 12:58 | 1595654 sbenard
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All predictions and forecasts are based upon assumptions. When the assumptions are wrong, so are the forecasts.

Predicting the future is for prophets, not profits!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 13:08 | 1595711 MFL8240
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The country is a sewer of liars and incompetence.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 13:09 | 1595716 djsmps
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Obama saved the auto industry, won the war in Libya, created 2 million jobs and killed Osama bin Laden. That's good for several percentage points of GDP.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 13:13 | 1595743 hambone
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US Gov is now openly, brazenly lying to it's people...this government and apparently now this Nation is built upon FRAUD and lies can only lead to deeper lies...the lies are throughout our banks, our budgets, our vision for our future.

Dangerous times when the lies are the only truth and truth seems crazy.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 13:17 | 1595765 MFL8240
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The whores are out for the public viewing to embarrass another brach of this DC sewer to help Bernanke and company add another Trillion in confetti to their balance sheet because they know there is no other way in the world the American people would tolerate it.  What a godamn disgrace.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 13:52 | 1595908 nah
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government numbers, fools.... OBAMA 2012

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 14:29 | 1596061 Stuck on Zero
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Did they take into account the 70 million baby boomers who will retire in the next twenty years?  That moves 30 million wage earners from tax paying status to tax sucking status.  The demographics alone will bust the budget. 

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 15:15 | 1596240 libertarian_neocon
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The CBO estimates are laughable.  Their near term growth forecasts are completely wrong, not even worth the free acrobat reader they were printed on.  They assume the Bush tax cuts expire with almost no negative impact on the economy.  Somehow raising taxes by 1.4% of GDP will only cost nominal GDP 0.7% despite the fact the funds will be going out of people's pockets and just disappear in the ether that is the deficit.  Most economists would probably assume something like a 3-4% negative impact to GDP. 

Anyway, I decided to play a little bit with the CBO's revenue estimates, to see how sensitive they are to their rosy estimates, that assume no major negative impact from a massive increase in taxes and, once again, assume we have no recessions over 10 years. The changes I made to the estimates were slight and only impacted the individual income tax line, the most impacted by the economy. I still assumed they would eliminate the Bush tax cuts and that the Super Committee would do what it promises to do (yeah, like that is going to happen, but one thing at a time). For 2011, I shaved a little bit off of individual income tax growth, dropping it from 21% to 15%. Then in 2012, I assumed no growth, which could potentially be overshooting still as in the last recession we saw individual income tax revenues drop 20% in 2009 alone. For 2013, I assume 10% growth, offsetting the elimination of the Bush tax cuts with a slower economy. After that, I assume 6% individual income tax growth, the average from 1970-2010 (the average increase from 2000-2009 was only 0.4%).

I don't think any of these assumptions are particularly unreasonable or bearish. I still don't assume a fall in revenues in any year, I just make the growth look more realistic. So what do these relatively minor changes do to the deficit projections? Blow them sky high. Currently, the CBO is assuming a deficit of $3.5 trillion from 2012-2021. Using my projections, the deficit from 2012-2021 is $9.6 trillion!

http://libertarian-neocon.blogspot.com/2011/08/cbo-estimates-are-so-wron...

 

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