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Is The CBO Merely Another Manipulated Front For Wall Street To Dictate Washington Policy?

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In the past, when discussing the goalseeking C-grade excel jockeys at the Congressional Budget Office (or CBO), we have not been technically full of reverence. After all when one uses a phrase such as this one: "What do the NAR, Consumer Confidence and CBO forecasts have in common? If you said, "they are all completely worthless" you are absolutely correct", it may be too late to worry about burned bridges. We do have our reasons: as we pointed out last year, following the whole US downgrade fiasco when the Treasury highlighted the CBO's sterling work in presenting a US future so bright, Timmy "TurboTax" G had to wear shades, we said "according to the same CBO back in 2001, net US indebtedness in 2011 would be negative $2.436 trillion, the ratio of debt held by the public to GDP would be 4.8%, total budget surplus would be $889 billion, and GDP would be $16.9 trillion." As we know now they were off only by a modest $17.5 trillion on that debt forecast. Yet we never attributed to malice and bias and outright corruption, what simple stupidity and gross incompetence could easily explain. Until today that is, when following a WSJ article, we are left wondering just how deep does the CBO stench truly go and whether its employees are far more corrupt than merely stupid?

As a reminder, the CBO is "a nonpartisan arm of Congress—employs analysts and economists who are charged with trying to estimate the potential financial impact of proposed policies and legislation." So far so good - they also happen to be beyond worthless at their job, and if they were in the private sector they would be fired with extreme prejudice. Of course, they are government workers, so anything goes. Which is where the problem arises: because while as the WSJ says, the CBO should be impartial, it turns out it is anything but.

Republican staffers on three Senate committees are pressing a congressional office that scrutinizes federal budget issues and proposed legislation over how its assessments are compiled. The inquiries of the Congressional Budget Office, which haven't been made public, concern the CBO's analyses of some of Washington's most complex and controversial measures, including bills on financial regulation, health care, small-business lending and efforts to aid the housing market, said people familiar with the matter.


As part of the inquiries, some Republican committee staffers are examining whether CBO officials adequately monitored and disclosed the role of Wall Street banks, academic researchers with government ties and other outside advisers, the people said. They are pushing for greater transparency in the CBO's dealings with advisers, to shed light on the role of outside interests in shaping the office's views, the people said.

Realistically, it is true that the CBO can be the target of either party if and when its conclusions do not resonate with proposed policy.

The CBO regularly comes under fire from members of both political parties—particularly when their goals for proposed legislation are undermined by the agency's analysis. It is "an easy target" because of its role in shaping legislative debates, said John Wonderlich, policy director for the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation, a nonprofit focused on government transparency. He said the CBO should be more open with the economic models it uses, and should produce documentation detailing its use of outside advisers. "That oversight is entirely appropriate," Mr. Wonderlich said.

... As is precisely the case now:

Republican Budget Committee staffers are questioning the CBO about disclosures of details related to projected costs of health-care legislation and broader economic policies, say people familiar with the matter. People close to the matter say the CBO in recent months has resisted efforts by Republican staffers to obtain documents and communications stemming from the office's views on a long-term care provision. Administration officials in mid-October declared the provision not viable, after previously supporting it.


"The Budget Committee has been engaged in routine conversations with the Congressional Budget Office over how best to estimate the fiscal impact of the President's health law," and hasn't been pursuing an inquiry into the CBO's "professional conduct," said a spokesman for the committee's Republican staff.

So far so good: incompetence, with a dose of politics, explains all of the above.

Yet what is not explained anywhere is the following revelation:

In another inquiry, investigators working for Sen. Charles Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, are probing allegations made privately to the investigators by a former CBO economist that she was fired for producing work at odds with Wall Street research favored by her supervisors, according to people familiar with the matter and documents related to the inquiry.


The ex-employee, Lan T. Pham, alleges she was terminated after 2½ months for sharing pessimistic outlooks for the banking and housing sectors in 2010, according to correspondence and other documents related to the inquiry, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, and her lawyer, Gary J. Aguirre. Ms. Pham, 40, alleges supervisors stifled opinions that contradicted economic fixes endorsed by some on Wall Street, including research from a Morgan Stanley economist who served as a CBO adviser. As part of the review, Sen. Grassley's staff is examining whether Wall Street firms or others exert influence that compromises the office's independence, say people familiar with the matter.

And here we were thinking that only John Paulson fired his analysts for being too bearish (true story). But that is not the issue: what is most troubling is if indeed the CBO is nothing but merely another front for Wall Street to work its propaganda magic on the administration. Because at the core of every policy are numbers, usually with dollar signs in front of them, numbers which have to make sense and have to be projected into the future, no matter how grossly laughable the resultant hockeystick. And it is only logical that the grossly incompetent CBO "analysts" will lick the boots of Wall Street's "strategists" only to get a glimpse of those complicated (if also utterly worthless models: remember that Goldman call for a new US renaissance by Jan Hatzius in December 2010, roundly mocked by Zero Hedge, and which even Goldman subsequently apologized for?) models which always paint a rosier picture, as is necessary in a ponzi scheme which, like a shark, must always be moving, every higher, or else the house of cards collapses. It also means that Wall Street's means of peddling influences are far more insidious than originally thought, and that they have penetrated the very number crunching machinery that while merely a front, is a critical component of every legislation.

Alas, none of the above is surprising: just like the SEC, where the dregs of the analytical and legal world end up, praying that one day the very people they prosecute will hire them (at a salary multiples higher than what they get paid currently), so the CBO workers will do all in their power to come up with some results which appear at least modestly objective yet are entirely driven by neither the Democrat nor Republican agenda, but that emanating from the financial region in New York.

And just to put a final nail in the objectivity of anything to have come out of the CBO in the past decade, and probably ever, here is another chart by John Lohman which shows that just like the BLS, which probably also one day will be discovered to get its financial "tips" from Wall Street, the CBO does nothing better than hope for the best, and prepare for the even better.

Finally anyone wishing to listen to the boss of this latest infiltrated by Wall Street political organization stammer, can do so tomorrow: "Mr. Elmendorf will testify at a Senate Budget Committee hearing Thursday on the budget and economic outlook." We are quite confident he will have only glowing things to say about the future.


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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:33 | 2118966 DeadFred
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If the nice black ops men are holding your family you pretty much write the report you asked to write.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:52 | 2119001 dwdollar
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No need. There's plenty of "yes men" and traitors who would gladly suck dick to do it for 60k a year.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:33 | 2119081 CH1
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True words...

The Fedguv employs millions of 'em.

The states and cities and corps employ the rest.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:07 | 2119177 Oh regional Indian
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Communism under the guise of Republicanism pretending to be a Deomancrazy. How could we expect any different?

And yes, one only needs to look as far as Cops and OWS to know which side of the fence .gov employees hope to be sitting when the fences are finally erected. ndn by the way, those electronic ankle collars? ..........

The fence will be two-fold too. In your mind and in the ether. The attention to detail is as stunning as the Asleepness of the masses.

What was that, give me Liberty or some other such tattered Slogan?

Congressional Backstop Orifice.




Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:39 | 2119091 indio007
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I can get alot more done than that for a 20 piece.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:06 | 2119120 piceridu
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Amazing what these cocksuckers will do for 30 pieces of silver...traitors the whole lot of them.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:33 | 2118967 Stack Trace
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I wish I could get paid to be so wrong so often.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:36 | 2118971 OldPhart
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"...we are left wondering just how deep does the CBO stench truly go and whether its employees are far more corrupt than merely stupid?"

They are in Washington, DC and they work in the Federal Government.  They are corrupt, it's a given.  Stupid?  Not a given.  You have to be clever to prevent getting caught.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:29 | 2119078 lolmao500
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Or rich enough or own a printing press. Bribes, excuse me, political contributions, are legal.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:37 | 2118972 UP Forester
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No shit?  CBO and BLS numbers are wrong?

And they get their formulas from the very entities that profit from their analyses?


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:37 | 2118973 tony bonn
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"whether its employees are far more corrupt than merely stupid?..."

it is a supreme fallacy to attribute to stupidity what is better explained by corruption....

we know that congress is the bought and paid for whore of wall street, so its operations are the result of bankster prejudice...

nothing significant happens by accident....believing so will have you waiting for a monkey to type war and peace from his recorded stream of consciousness....(my apologies to evolutionists)

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 09:24 | 2119454 vh070
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The problem is those doing the corrupting are ideologically inclined to view their actions as not corrupt.  So how do you deal with ideology?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:38 | 2118976 kito
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And I thought weathermen had it good......

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:49 | 2118996 barliman
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Ever see your local weatherperson out in public, off camera? These are not happy people. If we treated our politicians proportionally to how we treat someone for the getting the weather forecast wrong, there would be one of them stoned to death every other week.

Perhaps, you meant to capitalize the word ... in which case, you're right former Weatherman do enjoy the confidence of the current POTUS.


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:13 | 2119054 slewie the pi-rat
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hmmm...i might like being a weatherperson...

they wouldn't show me on tv passed out in front of the fridge from the occupational side effects, would they?

oh, who cares!  sign me up! 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:17 | 2119062 barliman
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Nope, it's right here in the contract, "... no additonal public embarrassment allowed." The teleprompter reading anchors however are fair game. Dibs on the blonde bimbo with the IQ of 100 and daddy issues!


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 11:03 | 2119793 GMadScientist
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So you like them smarter than yourself.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:38 | 2118977 Bear
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Where is the best place online to buy gold/silver Eagles? And, are Eagles better than Maple Leafs?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:49 | 2118995 slewie the pi-rat
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2 years, 18 weeks and 29 pages of posts for this?

are you lost, or drunk, perhaps?


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:52 | 2119002 barliman
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The poor bastard's in shock. We need to find a blanket and a bottle of bourbon. We can wrap him in the blanket and drink the bourbon while we keep an eye on him.


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:00 | 2119025 slewie the pi-rat
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if you think the bear is another negative interest rate stretcher case, i'll accept that rather than shit in his/her woods


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:04 | 2119032 barliman
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Who gives a shit what's wrong with the delirious bastard?!?

This is about the bourbon. It is the only known cure for negative interest rates.

Drink up!


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:10 | 2119046 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I will gladly watch the bear and drink bourbon all morning long.  We are planning on going throught the morning, right?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:13 | 2119055 barliman
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Yes, it's the least we can do under the circumstances. Anyone wanting to do more is on their own. The bourbon stays with us!


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:10 | 2119049 kito
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@sllewie--too funny

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:51 | 2119000 slewie the pi-rat
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oh, wait!

maybe you just don't want people thinking about the CB0!

thxz4playing, asswipe!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:21 | 2119067 lasvegaspersona
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The non condescending adult on the page answers is Tulving if you can do 20 ounce minimum orders....see that did not hurt...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:07 | 2119123 slewie the pi-rat
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so, we're s'posed to think about buying PMs from tulewiggy instead of budget office? 

is that what you non-condescending trolls are up to here?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:54 | 2119008 Jim in MN
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I like the Godiva but others prefer the Dove Extra Dark.  They can take their Extra Dark and shove it up their asses.

er, you did mean chocolate coins with the with gold foil, right?  Shit...mumble......

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:09 | 2119043 kito
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Godiva and dove are both crap chocolate. Lindt 90 pct is the bomb

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:16 | 2119059 slewie the pi-rat
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unnhhh... suppositories, kito?


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:21 | 2119068 barliman
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psssst, slewie ...

The chocolate is just bait for the gerbil


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 15:12 | 2120866 orangedrinkandchips
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thing is Timmy is so fucking dumb he swallows the fucking suppositories and wonders why they dont work!


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:33 | 2119084 seek
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I haven't spotted a serious reply yet.

If you're buying in quantity Tulving is pretty good, and they're open pretty much 24/7.

My personal opinion is that if you're in the US, eagles are better than maple leafs, and eagles are far more durable (different alloy, so they're not as soft as leafs, which are really soft and scratch easily.)

Gold eagles are easily the most liquid coin you can own in the US, which is why I tolerate the premium over spot (some of which you'll get back when you sell, which is never.)

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:50 | 2119104 Bear
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Thank you for your reply

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:13 | 2119129 slewie the pi-rat
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ya know what?

all 3 of you fuking Tulving trolls can beat it, asswipes!

what a bunch of fuking bulklshit from a 2 year 19 week, 29-page worthless motherfuking troll named "Bear" and his two little "innocent"  troll friends

TULVING = PHONEY PHUCKING LOSERZ to pull this shit on zeroHedge, BiCheZ! 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:38 | 2119137 Bear
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Thank you for your considered response. I have been buying and selling gold futures for ten years now, but I have never purchased any physical metal and I was interested in how best to do it. If this makes me a troll, then so be it. It would seem that you have something against Tulving (or maybe just the mention of a commercial venture) ... if you think there is another better source, I am certain open for your ideas also ... sans your fuking profanity

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:45 | 2119156 slewie the pi-rat
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no, i just don't like trolls who come and pretend shit, asswipe!

what did you think about for the first two years and 18 weeks you were here?  i've been here less than half the time and this very question has been asked and thoroughly answered at least 50 times, imo

didn't you notice? 

if you're this fuking ridiculously styoooopid and fuking helpless to figure this out by yourself, at this point, you don't belong here, bear

try googling silver coin dealers for pete's sake, you fuking jack-off!!!

and, since you're just obviously (to me and probably a few hundred others at this point) pretending, to get TULVING'S FUKING ASSWPE NAME UP here, tonight, you can go fuk yourself twice, as far as i'm concerned!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:53 | 2119163 Bear
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Google! Damn I should have thought of that.

Maybe I could have entered "silver coin dealers real life experiences who is the best"

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:54 | 2119170 slewie the pi-rat
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yeah, i know!

especially after only 120 weeks as a zeroHedge "member", you viscous little cunt!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:58 | 2119171 Bear
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Where did you come by such a vicious streak?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:10 | 2119180 slewie the pi-rat
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dealing with passive-aggrssive shitheads like you, probaqbly, now that i think of it, TULVING TROLL!!!!

i know!  i hafta be the bad guy, 'cause you TULVIG guys wouldn't want to look like a bunch of ignorant asswip trolls in zeroHedge, would you? 

might be bad for YOUR "silver" business, huh?

about one more trip, and you'll never get another order from about 2100 reads and a few score commenters

it's your  business, you decide how deep ya wanna plow it under here, ok, shitforbrains?

or do ya wanna pretend i was just "crazy" with my very first comment to your little game here, way back up this very string, mrTulving

you viscous little TULVING CUNT!!!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:30 | 2119192 Bear
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Maybe you have some other of my posts that can lead credence to you rant? No you can't ... I walked into a buzsaw of venom with my simple question.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 04:46 | 2119255 Raging Debate
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I have to agree Bear. Slewie, you have the fire! But perhaps we should remind ourselves on who or whom the intended target of your fire is. I haven't seen a website devoted to Congressional voting records. I could come up with others. I myself use my fire to finish a publishing utility. 500 Zero Hedges would be better than one no?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 09:52 | 2119519 fiftybagger
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Yeah, I don't know if someone peed in his cornflakes this morning or what.   Anyway, for the honest inquirers I usually cover: - The biggest and best selection - 2d biggest, sometimes better prices - lots of good deals - best bulk deals for bigger buyers.  E.G. 500 oz minimum.  No CC, just wire

Neat new site someone sent me:

Keep Stackin'

Silver For The People


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:13 | 2119181 Vic Vinegar
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I have been buying and selling gold futures for ten years now

Where is the best place online to buy gold/silver Eagles? And, are Eagles better than Maple Leafs?

Saavy enough to buy and sell gold futures for a decade but can't get your shit together on making an internet purchase, huh?

Seems like slewie was being nice to you buddy.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:31 | 2119194 Bear
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Good point.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:45 | 2119155 Bear
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I am really glad to see that you have been appointed as TrollGuard here at ZeroHedge for the last 1 year and 1 week ... I can sleep much better knowing that TD has such fine help.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:51 | 2119167 slewie the pi-rat
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just get the fuk away from here you fuking shitforbrained asswipe TULVING TROLL!!!!

you don't need to attack others, here, too



jeeeez!  how fuking dumb do you think the readers are here?  lQQk what you turds have left here as an "innocent" Q & A session! 

solly, worong #!

now stop wasting people's time and disrespecting the site, ok?  nobody appointed me anything friend

why?  you got a problem with fight club, asswipe?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:29 | 2119191 Vic Vinegar
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I am really glad to see that you have been appointed as TrollGuard here at ZeroHedge for the last 1 year and 1 week ... I can sleep much better knowing that TD has such fine help.

Believe you me, if some of us could choose slewie would be the TrollGuard.  Back in the day Tyler once gave us an ombudsman whose credentials included an affinity for HL Mencken (sorry but I can't forget that).

Anyhow, she would have been a shitty choice.  slewie would be a much better one.

Maybe one day you'll figure out how to buy gold online.  Good luck, spacemonkey!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:39 | 2119199 Bear
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It'll be soon with all of the help from you and Pyrite

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 04:17 | 2119227 James_Cole
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My 2 cents Bear - don't buy coins, buy bullion - mark up in coins is ridiculous. Silver is pretty cheap too, not like buying gold bullion.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 05:16 | 2119281 IrritableBowels
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2 cents for sure!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:39 | 2118979 Atomizer
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Someone is in the barn stomping around and making loud unicorn noises. 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:55 | 2119011 Jim in MN
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Get the skittle pail!  She's gonna blow!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:43 | 2118981 dwdollar
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That's why I say nuking DC is the only solution. Fry that bitch like it's Sodom and Gomorrah. If anybody has a better idea (one that WILL work) please let us know.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:41 | 2118983 Seasmoke
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this whole country is corrupt to its core ............(and i include myself in that as well)

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:44 | 2118989 dwdollar
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You have to be in order to survive this shit. It's truly sad.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:48 | 2118993 UP Forester
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I prefer to be non-corrosive.

Just like my dry powder contained within the majority of my PMs.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:55 | 2119012 The Big Ching-aso
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CBO.............. Compromised Budget Office?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 08:50 | 2119407 Raging Debate
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NO DWdollar. It is a choice. Live by the sword die by the sword. Problem with being a thief is that the next crook down the line will be more ruthless, it will be mere luck if the gains are kept at all. I know, I know some think they are so clever. More like blackmailable. See how ruthlessness works?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:52 | 2119004 Stack Trace
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The corruption is obviously out of control. All we can do is exit the stage left and start working to help the teetering dysfunctional system collapse. Perhaps start our own movements. Many people I know think things are out of control. It is only a matter of time they start figuring out that organizing and fighting back is the only option. Our government is nothing but a criminal enterprise that hands out gimmicks to the poorest to keep the appearance that they have legitimate power. That means the middle gets pressed constantly out of existence until there is no middle left to support the whole. I think at 15% tax receipts we are very close to that moment.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:23 | 2119072 lasvegaspersona
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too hard....waiting will do just as much...just wait with your savings in the proper asset class

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 15:22 | 2120894 Totentänzerlied
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The evangelicals and Marxists and 100 other groups have been saying as much for decades.

How about some solutions (preferably ones which, unlike the afforementioned, have a non-zero chance of improving anything)?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:42 | 2118984 slewie the pi-rat
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"congressional" and "budget" may be important clues, here, BiCheZ!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:44 | 2118987 barliman
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How many time over the years has a report on a product from the CBO started with these words:

"The latest report from the non-partisan CBO on ..."

which perhaps caused many people to confuse the term 'non-partisan' with the word 'objective'

Tsk, tsk, tsk ... the last place our enemies would ever wish to destroy would be Washington, D.C. - the operating base for most corrupt collection of politicians and bureaucrats imposing chaos and disharmony on a country since Emperor Caligula's reign.


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:54 | 2119010 Stack Trace
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Thanks! Perfect observation. There isn't partisan or non-partisan...there is only them and the rest. Period.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:51 | 2118999 RobotTrader
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Nobody gives a rat's ass about spiraling deficits, faulty CBO data and all the rest.


Everyone is now clamoring for fixed income, virtually every muni-bond and Treasury ETF is getting ready to go parabolic if stocks take another dump this month.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:53 | 2119006 slewie the pi-rat
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if i had a rack like that, i'd act like the cock0'the walk, too!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:59 | 2119021 Stack Trace
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Stocks can't take a dump. The fix is in. LTRO, QE-XX, ZIRP-4Ever, Free REFIs, Alien invasions, moon bases, Romney, Greek backstop, ESM, EFSF, EMU, ECB, yadayadayada....

This big steaming pile of crap we call the market is a jerry-rigged monstrosity that is essentially untradable. When will this dump occur? It can't. TPTB will not allow it. They will just change the rules and print to infinity.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:59 | 2119022 barliman
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Who are you and what have you done with RoboTrader?


P.S. The somewhat bearish outlook gave you away. The real RoboTrader can only see the up side for equities.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:00 | 2119024 The Big Ching-aso
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Remember to exhale more often.   Inhaling excessive amounts of THC will give you a sense of invincibility, megalomania, and in your case damaged DNA as evidenced by your mom.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:36 | 2119088 lizzy36
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The same as nobody gave a rat's ass about subprime in 2005, faulty credit data and all the rest.

Everyone was clamoring for more houses, and more credit, virtually ever bank went parabolic.

Remember how that turned out?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:56 | 2119016 CvlDobd
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I sense a best selling book coming

"Confessions of an Economic Retard."

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:57 | 2119113 snowbaall
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When it comes to economics, there's only one person I trust.

His name is Tyler Golden-balls, and he owns this site.

Your mother's smelly asshole.

No one else has given me the info I need.

Thank you Mr. Golden-balls.

Over and out.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:44 | 2119154 Vic Vinegar
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You were more enjoyable when you came on as paarsons, posting in the A.M., giving us the same couplets with cursing and F Lloyd B pimping.  

Or was that the Gerald Celente proboards guy?  I forget.

Either way, you need to give us more snowbaall.  Open your soul to us. 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 00:57 | 2119017 Jim in MN
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Perhaps if all of these forecasts included a special computer simulation modeling variable to account for filthy, filthy corruption, their forecasts would turn out better.

Call it GoldmanEvilX.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:02 | 2119027 non_anon
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this longtime incestuous orgy has produced grotesque creatures

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:04 | 2119034 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yes, it's true, the Rotheschildes are ugly.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:10 | 2119044 non_anon
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ha ha, good one!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:02 | 2119028 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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John Paulson is a duche, and if you asked me to name someone I'd like to fight, I would say Jan Hatzius.  I know, he is a nerd....don't worry, I'd guard my lions and give him the first shot.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:10 | 2119047 barliman
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With all due respect, MLH the word is douche and might I suggest 'girding your loins' and 'never giving a sucker an even break' would be a better approach to Mr. Hatzius?


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:33 | 2119083 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I fight better after a punch.  And if I have Hatzuis pegged right, I might need two.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:50 | 2119106 barliman
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Ok, but wear latex gloves and a surgical mask. We have no way of knowing where his mouth has been.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:06 | 2119037 Let The Wurlitz...
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First of all the CBO is infiltrated with socialist just like every other arm of the government.  They will make any program fit the agenda as required.  Everyone in the insurance business knows that the long term care piece alone is enough to bankrupt the country - forget about the health care component of the bill.  I digress the country is already bankrupt.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:28 | 2119071 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Socialists, fascists, communists, it's all the same.  The markets are centrally planned, economics is and has beeen created to make sure to keep the minds of men controlled.  Finance has only so many ways to invest.

This is the life.  This is how we all live.  This is the box.

Some would say this is Pandora.  Some would say they found the alchemist's stone.  These people are clueless idiots.  These people are lunatics.

They have an agenda.  A plan that has been long in the making.  Not hundreds of years, but thousands.  How you ask?

They have failed many times, but they kept coming.  Their agenda is the opposite of happiness.  It is out of fear.  Fear of losing their power.

So they try and put their guilt on us.  They try to use the fear and turn it around.  Yet we have been optimistic; we understand why we are here.  So we stay where we are, becuase we understand.  It is in our nature.

Many moons ago, this war started.  IIt is once again at a turning point.  We have the numbers and the power, and we will choose how the turn comes.  So here we are.  What will you chose?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:11 | 2119051 Eally Ucked
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I think at least 1mln people are working on all those stupid modelling, predictions, estimates, projections and so on. They are never right but who cares - we have some entertainment for the money spend on them.

If they fire them statistics will get worse and we don't want that. We want all those graphs in color, with inflection points, or double inflection points, head and shoulders, golden crosses and what ever to keep us going and them to spend hard earned money to keep economy going.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:13 | 2119056 The trend is yo...
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Den of Thieves.  How can anyone be off by that much and still have a job?  Who do they think they are Abby Joseph Cohen

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:44 | 2119097 The Deleuzian
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Who the hell is that?  Marilyn Manson's estrogen pill-popping uncle?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:07 | 2119119 barliman
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Seriously, if that raised your eyebrows (or your stomach) - head for the life boat now. Ahhh, the 60's, the 70's and the 80's - those were some SERIOUSLY fncked up times.

Blacks being fire hosed down and police dogs turned loose on them, Cuban Missile crisis, JFK killed, NAM with live war & executions in your living room, MLK killed, RFK killed, Watts, Woodstock, the 1968 Democratic Convention POLICE riot, Kent State, Watergate, oil crises and fuel shortages, sex, drugs, rock'n'roll, disco, punk, Reagan joking "I've just launched the missiles', Iran Contra baby, Communism collapsing, the Berlin Wall comes down.

If you didn't live through those times, turn in your "Silver, bitchez!" card. You have not earned it.


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:29 | 2119144 slewie the pi-rat
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actually, that was just one pirate's version of how the CB0 peeps can still have a job and who they might think they are!

not abt silver or politics or generation gaps

just replying to everybody's friend,  the_trend...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:36 | 2119193 The Deleuzian
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A little too early for me...But I had a killer Hong Kong Fui lunch box and a Big Wheel!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 04:18 | 2119229 barliman
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You get partial credit for the lunch box and full credit for having the Least Safe Vehicle for a child - A Big Wheel. That will get you credit for the 70's or the 80's. Which decade would you prefer?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:24 | 2119065 lolmao500
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Of course they are more corrupt than stupid. I thought ZH knew better than this. Everything is a front for the banks. They own the medias. They own the politicians. They own the PR firms. They own the NGOs. They own the generals. They own the unions. They write the textbooks. They own EVERYTHING.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:39 | 2119090 mt paul
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is the new black....

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:40 | 2119093 The Deleuzian
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Enjoy the ride...It's even more fascinating to watch the show then to trade it...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:40 | 2119094 vegas
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Count me in the camp that says they're both stupid and corrupt. Anything a liberal Democratic incumbent wants he/she gets: "don't worry, let me handle the numbers - just tell me the result you want." WTF.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:50 | 2119105 RockyRacoon
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I'm getting antsy waiting to blame Romney for all this shit.   Obama bashing is no fun any more.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 01:55 | 2119111 The Deleuzian
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You really think they'll put Romney in? 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:11 | 2119125 barliman
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Let's see ... nobody is buying the Hope'n'Change shit anymore.

Would they try ramrodding a former CEO worth 200 million+ USD up are collective asses?

Just bend over the table and take long, slow, deep breaths (it won't help but it's not like they care anyway)


Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:00 | 2119116 luna_man
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MY MAIN MAN...If the "incompetents" and "CRIMINALS" aren't pulling up your blog, to find out what's in store for them, THEY WILL!!...



Thu, 02/02/2012 - 07:59 | 2119373 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:32 | 2119147 snblitz
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If they were good at statistics they would be able to demonstrate if there exists any correlation between their predictions and the outcomes.

I heard they no longer teach correlation in statistics classes so perhaps this is why the CBO is struggling.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 02:53 | 2119153 BlackholeDivestment
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...sheeeit. If you ever spent time in D.C. working among the government goosh for brains, well, you get use to hearing them talk about their new ''below inflation'' salary adjustment(s) as a pay ''increase''. LMAO. I mentioned the new 2012 salary adjustment to a Federal Park Police Officer at OCDC, he was aware of the new salary adjustment and said ''at least it was something''. Lol, and to think, the boy gets to sleep more than two hours at a time in his whore house he calls home, unlike the OCDC tent dwellers now that they have that new 2 hour sleep rule. What a joke.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 03:22 | 2119188 Questan1913
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Excellent post.  The Wall Street/Washington axis of cooperative enrichment has unfettered control of all organs of the government of the United States.  This is simply further proof, and let's not delude ourselves any longer: these people are not stupid and they are not incomptent.  Those adjectives more correctly apply to those who feign not seeing the horrible reality in front of them.  They are being robbed blind in broad daylight and are not able to even comprehend that fact.  The lies emanatiing from all branches of government and media are the raw material of a false reality, an unrea,l totally manufactured world inside our heads, rendering us impotent to protect ourselves.  Try to free yourself, if you can. 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 06:35 | 2119319 Shathawk
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"yet are entirely driven by neither the Democrat nor Republican agenda, but that emanating from the financial region in New York."

Strange, I thought the Democrat/Republican agendas were dictated by the financial region in New York

"To see if conspiracy views were strong enough to lead to inconsistencies, the researchers asked 137 college students about the death of Princess Diana. The more people thought there "was an official campaign by the intelligence service to assassinate Diana," the more they also believed that "Diana faked her own death to retreat into isolation." Of course, Diana cannot be simultaneously dead and alive."

I'm not saying your wrong in believing what you read in a Murdock paper :) but try to have some consistency.

---------------------------------------- COINCIDENCE: You weren't paying attention to the other half of what was going on.

LEADERSHIP: A form of self-preservation exhibited by people with autodestructive imaginations in order to ensure that when it comes to the crunch it'll be someone else's bones which go crack and not their own.

The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 06:37 | 2119320 Element
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US has not produced a genuine budget since at least 1955. 

Everything from 1965 forwards was a total piss-take.

It got far more obvious since FY2007-2008, but it's always been a case of, "the  'budget' you are having when you aren't having a budget".

The CBO's reports are an inescapable reflection of this charade.

The entire budget (and now accounting) process is corrupt and crooked, it's not just a sham CBO.


The entire US Budget is "Mark to Make-Believe" accounting.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 06:44 | 2119326 hardcleareye
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  "I'm SHOCKED, shocked to find gambling going on in here."  Casablanca

excellent read

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 07:28 | 2119345 Miss Expectations
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"When you hear hoofbeats behind you, don't expect to see a zebra"

When you see incompetence and politics, expect to find a squid (of which there are more than 300 species).

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 07:33 | 2119349 Ghordius
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come on, The Great and Holy Vampire Squid (that does God's work) is not incompetent.

A bit shortsighted, perhaps, but not incompetent in extracting blood.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 07:51 | 2119364 Miss Expectations
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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 09:32 | 2119470 Shizzmoney
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Is the CBO merely manipulated by Wall St, for Wall St?  Do bears shit in the woods?

The ex-employee, Lan T. Pham, alleges she was terminated after 2½ months for sharing pessimistic outlooks for the banking and housing sectors in 2010, according to correspondence and other documents related to the inquiry, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, and her lawyer, Gary J. Aguirre. Ms. Pham, 40, alleges supervisors stifled opinions that contradicted economic fixes endorsed by some on Wall Street, including research from a Morgan Stanley economist who served as a CBO adviser.

Again, simple.  Either you trust a Morgan Stanley economist's projections, or an Asian woman's. 

Wall St TBTFs are experts at fail (they can't even get rigging the system right). 

The Asians are experts at math. 

You figure it out.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 10:13 | 2119580 Treeplanter
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We're in everybody does it land.  Why MF G's 1.2 billion is missing.  Why most of it went to Democrat campaign chests. Why we need  sudden and relentless reform.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 11:06 | 2119807 Rot-10
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It would be more newsworthy to find an organization where the employees don't tell their bosses what they want to hear.  No doubt Gov't is grossly incompetant at executing anything.  The AC/Enron auditing mess made headlines but the CBO/Incumbant story seldom does.  Thanks Tyler.  Plus, those graphs on CBO estimates-vs-actuals are outstanding.  Would love to see a longer term correlation of accuracy to party-in-charge.  I have my hunch.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 15:13 | 2120869 orangedrinkandchips
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TIMbuk 3!!


pun intended.....the future is so bright...gotta wear shades, especially when you dont declare your income....

Mon, 06/04/2012 - 02:21 | 2160810 Marta45
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The People are one of two MLB companies, and the only one in the Nationwide Group, that has never performed in a Community Sequence (the Washington Ocean adventurers are the other).

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