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On Central Planning And "People Are Not Chess Pieces"

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This simple 70-second clip summarizes perfectly the folly of the central planner - who faced with a clean slate and the ability to craft an entire society with his all-knowing hands forgets that one critical aspect of humans - free-will. No matter how financially repressed, no matter how herded into AAPL, no matter how jawboned-to-death we become; there is always the option - the optimal decision in any unwinnable game - of not playing.

 

 

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Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:39 | 2723723 GetZeeGold
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No Mongo....you're not a Queen.

 

You're just a pawn in this game of life.

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:45 | 2723767 malikai
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Did this guy say the words "free individuals"? LOL.. Oh man that almost killed me.

Stopit!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:22 | 2723892 falak pema
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well thirty years ago this debate would not have occurred.

AMerica was still considered a democratic society where free will of individual was prevalent. It had just elected a President that incensed it as cardinal value in his fight against its very opposite; what he called the evil empire.

What happened in those thirty years when both left and right were on the same economic page???

(Its the economy stupid!)...remember those Halcyon days of wine and roses? 

How did free will become a sick joke?

If you have the answer to that you have the answer to who Elmer Gantry in the US pantry was, and why the US people lost their panties in this shambles of run away fancy-panty party called the Financial age of Entrepreneurially outsourced USA. 

Clash of Civilization and bash of free will licence in Gitmo's deadly silence now leaves us with a mash potatoe salad that even the pigs would not want to swallow. Can pigs fly or do they stay shy of their ugly infested sty? 

Stopit indeed! 

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:44 | 2723956 KK Tipton
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What happened? The "other side" has been hard at work.

Who is the "other side" (AKA persons in league with literal old timey "biblical" evil)?

 

Living Outside The Dialectic: Niki Raapana talks to herself about communitarianism - http://bit.ly/OuJqSQ

Communism branched far out from its 19th century roots. Committed members evolved into Fabian Socialists, National Socialists, National Communists, Democrats, Christians, Republicans, Catholics, Fusionists, Evangelicals, Zionists, Pagans, Masons, LaRouchies and Libertarians, who all eventually adopted the common ideology of free market socialism. Imperial British American capitalists and Global Free Traders merged with mercenaries, academics, mobsters, environmental scientists and natural resource experts who all just happen to also promote free market socialism, known in academia and the higher courts as communitarianism.

 

 

1. Philosophically, communitarianism is the final synthesis in the Hegelian dialectic. Communitarians insist that humanity cannot advance to its final evolutionary stage of perfection without the help of their expert planning, guidance and administrators, who are obviously much more enlightened than the rest of us common born sinners.

2. The religious basis for communitarianism rests in the oldest dialectic still in existence, the Talmud. Dr. Amitai Etzioni of the Institute for Communitarian Policy Studies at George Washington University in DC is the American guru. He's a former Israeli commando who studied the Talmud and the Kaballa, and according to him, this makes him the international "expert" on how to build more livable communities.

In his 30 plus published books and hundreds of articles, Etzioni laid out standard Hegelian justifications for military and community development interventions. His solution to staged Hegelian clashes between nations is to end all nations. Etzioni assures us that individual rights and liberties can only continue to exist if they are balanced against the common good. The least discussed fact about the new legal system is that all former laws must be made agreeable to the superior unwritten Talmud. Zionist led Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the rise of Islamic law in formerly Christian nations are part of a perfectly crafted Hegelian ploy to ensure a brutal, endless conflict continues to grow between the two primary religious barriers to communitarian global governance.

3.. Politically, it's the Third Way, Radical Middle theory that allows its followers to justify fascist warmongering on the corporate right and encourage peace actions of the antiwar left, at the same time. Hegel taught his followers to play both sides if necessary, to flip-flop back and forth, because long drawn out staged wars and senseless bloody conflicts are essential to human advancement.

Both Bushes and both Clintons were described many times in the American press as communitarians; Senator Barack Obama was hailed by the Democrats as the Third Way Wonder Boy in 2004.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:47 | 2723772 madcows
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Candy-gram (EBT) for Mungo.  Candy-gram (benefits) for Mungo.

MMM.  Mungo like candy.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:55 | 2723725 Mercury
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No matter how financially repressed, no matter how herded into AAPL, no matter how jawboned-to-death we become; there is always the option - the optimal decision in any unwinnable game - of not playing.

Well that's not even free will...it's responding to incentives and acting in one's own self-interest.  If anything central planners rely on the free will of their (true believer) subjects to prompt them into doing things that are objectively and intuitively not in their self-interest.

Not playing the game just means that everyone's lot becomes that much shittier WAY before it means the end of the game.  Look at North Korea.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 16:50 | 2725263 CH1
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Well that's not even free will

Of course it is - it's a choice.

Being the only smart choice does not negate the act of choosing.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 16:57 | 2725288 RockyRacoon
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So, doing nothing is actually doing something?  I feel much better now!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:40 | 2723732 Dr. No
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LOL.  If people are not chess pieces, why has the game been popular of kings for a thousand years!?  People are chess pieces.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:58 | 2723806 Sudden Debt
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Most kings couldn't write their name... let alone play chess...

and there are enough examples still around! Look at the monarchs in Europe! A sad bunch of inbreed morons who are kept away from the public so it's not to obvious that they're retards.

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:15 | 2723877 _ConanTheLibert...
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and it's illegal to insult them. Well, here's a FUCK YOU. Let them die.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:34 | 2723936 Ghordius
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LOL - so says the presumable subject of a prince of the former House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha that forgets that the typical republican citizen, particularly if female, is all fluffered when royalty shows up.

The "please stop central planning" theme historically stops at one moment: war. Particularly of a major sort.

Then it's all in uniform and sacrificing what little personal pieces of life you had. Then it's fiat money and donate your gold to the war effort and "we have to win at all cost". Then it's "man up, you dirty little pawn", and be a good little patriot.

So please, whenever you wield Adam Smith against all "central planning" - particularly if you venture beyond what he found "normal" and "rational" - make sure you know what your position is on war, peace and how to choose between them.

Remember: Adam Smith was very, very skeptical of the Limited Liability Corporation, particularly of the first two L's in there.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:42 | 2724180 NidStyles
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War is used as a tool to keep the plebes in check. Notice that Kings, Nobles, and Politicians are not the ones fighting the wars? 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:44 | 2724187 donsluck
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In economics, we are discussing rational behavior, even if we disagree on what's rational. We are dealing with thought processes, planning, philosophy, etc, all higher brain functions.

In war we are not discussing anything. We are operating on impulses hammered out in the forge of evolution. There is no questioning, no doubt. Our tribe must defeat their tribe or our gods will perish. War cannot be ended. It is how we evolved. If it is ended, it will only occur through the death of religion, true sexual equality and liberal use of abortion. Fat chance!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:34 | 2724439 Anusocracy
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"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." Denis Diderot

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:40 | 2724173 NidStyles
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How does the Papacy expect keep it's morons in power?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 14:29 | 2724696 madcows
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with little boys running down the road in their underwear.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:40 | 2723733 Jason T
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central planners: All your chess pieces are belong to us.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:45 | 2723764 Dr. Richard Head
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So when do we get to flip the fucking board over and tell them, "I'm taking my game home"?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:51 | 2723782 madcows
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When you refuse to play, or in this case, put money into investments (bonds, stocks, ETF's, commodities).

That's happening now.  volume is down and people are pulling money their money out.  Bernanke (and company) hijacked the game, so we individual investors refused to play.  It's corrupt, so we took our ball and went home.

Sat, 08/25/2012 - 10:27 | 2736753 BoNeSxxx
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And, as reported here on ZH a few times in the last weeks, they are going to bust the money markets to force us all back in.

People need to cash out of this system completely (fines, taxes, and penalties be damned).  Oh, and stack some phyzzz.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:42 | 2723744 bnbdnb
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Does the federal reserve not realize that by "fixing" things, people get the impression things are still broken?

Who would invest in a broken environment?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:43 | 2723752 Nothing To See Here
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Prize Lecture

Lecture to the memory of Alfred Nobel, December 11, 1974

The Pretence of Knowledge, by F.A. Hayek

(...)

"If man is not to do more harm than good in his efforts to improve the social order, he will have to learn that in this, as in all other fields where essential complexity of an organized kind prevails, he cannot acquire the full knowledge which would make mastery of the events possible. He will therefore have to use what knowledge he can achieve, not to shape the results as the craftsman shapes his handiwork, but rather to cultivate a growth by providing the appropriate environment, in the manner in which the gardener does this for his plants. There is danger in the exuberant feeling of ever growing power which the advance of the physical sciences has engendered and which tempts man to try, "dizzy with success", to use a characteristic phrase of early communism, to subject not only our natural but also our human environment to the control of a human will. The recognition of the insuperable limits to his knowledge ought indeed to teach the student of society a lesson of humility which should guard him against becoming an accomplice in men's fatal striving to control society - a striving which makes him not only a tyrant over his fellows, but which may well make him the destroyer of a civilization which no brain has designed but which has grown from the free efforts of millions of individuals."

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:56 | 2723799 Anglo Hondo
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You didn't provide this "appropriate environment".  Someone else did....

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:10 | 2723863 CrockettAlmanac.com
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"Every man's nature is a sufficient advertisement to him of the character of his fellows. My right and my wrong, is their right and their wrong. Whilst I do what is fit for me, and abstain from what is unfit, my neighbor and I shall often agree in our means, and work together for a time to one end. But whenever I find my dominion over myself not sufficient for me, and undertake the direction of him also, I overstep the truth, and come into false relations to him. I may have so much more skill or strength than he, that he cannot express adequately his sense of wrong, but it is a lie, and hurts like a lie both him and me. Love and nature cannot maintain the assumption: it must be executed by a practical lie, namely, by force. This undertaking for another, is the blunder which stands in colossal ugliness in the governments of the world." -- Emerson's Politics

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:46 | 2723770 i-dog
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"of not playing"

'They' are hoping to rule that option out ... with a global electronic currency. Sing the NWO anthem at Friday muster and you'll get yo' EBT weekly top-up ... otherwise it's squirrel for dinner again all next week....

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:05 | 2724281 viahj
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i do agree that their plan is of a global currency but a global "electronic" currency?  unpossible as a complete and only system.  where's the global electrical and telecomunications infrastructure?  there will always be physical currency and barter in places such as Africa, India, China the ME and so on (and in the black markets in controlled Western societies).  imagine the economic crash in India when 600m lost power for weeks.  that's a lot of "not available currency transactions".

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:49 | 2723777 TWSceptic
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LearnLiberty videos are always great, good to see one posted here.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:52 | 2723788 Dr. Engali
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Wise legislators? Isn't that an oxymoron? Society will never be free until we understand that we don't need "wise legislators". What we need is self governance and mutual repsect of the rights and beliefs of each other. Legislators pursue the path of politics because they desire to exercise influence and power over society.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:00 | 2723813 Cognitive Dissonance
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The last thing he said was......"This is an important lesson to keep in mind when we are thinking today about what kind of leaders are appropriate to a society of free individuals."

Wow. As long as we continue to believe that we are "free individuals", that we select our leaders through the voting process, we will never be "free". The illusion of our freedom is in reality the chains that bind.

 

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:05 | 2723838 Dr. Engali
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My head almost exploded when I heard his conclusions. He is as blind to the truth as an average sheep.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:31 | 2724140 Zap Powerz
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Do free people need leaders?  I dont need anyone to lead me.

Free people need representatives in their government so their voice and will can be heard, but I would not call them leaders.

Free men dont need someone to lead them.  Followers need a leader.  I guess if we elect leaders it means we (present company excluded) are followers and we deserve what our leaders give us.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:53 | 2724231 donsluck
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I had to -1 you, nothing personal. I have found that nothing gets done without a leader. Usually the problem is too many leaders. Case in point:

My niece got married. Disorganized and chaotic. The expected frivolities were all there, but done haphazard and uncoordinated. The problem was there was no leader. The bride did not exert her influence, no tasks were deligated and no over-arching theme achieved. All her helpers became their own leaders. As much effort and cost was incurred as a traditional say $12,000 wedding, but the results were abysmal.

No leader.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 14:43 | 2724761 jayman21
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It sounds like people trying to control other people.  I am with CD.  Sorry, free people do not try to control other people.  I think your definition of a leader is someone who is controlling someone else.  This is not freedom.

 

thegreatesttruthnevertold.com - 6 hours of thought exercises about freedom

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:52 | 2724223 Kayman
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"The illusion of our freedom is in reality the chains that bind."

The freedom of illusion is the chain that binds. An individual chooses Disneyland.

You are free to chase your needs or your wants.  What exactly do you need ? It will be small indeed.

As you downsize, as your footprint shrinks, bankers and governments run out of warm blood and your life is less chaotic.

CD, I suspect you are already on that path. 

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 14:23 | 2724674 Freedom In Your...
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I was just commenting on this same thing in the healthcare thread. Until we stop letting people who wish to be 'leaders' determine the size / type of box we operate in, people will never be free.

On a separate note, your posts and articles on zero hedge have played a part in mental and emotional developmend I have gone through over the past few years. Thank you for the thoughts and ideas you put out there.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 14:58 | 2724836 Cognitive Dissonance
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Thank you for your kind words.

In reality what you have been witnessing within my articles and comments is my own development and maturing process. There are many miles to go before I sleep.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 15:05 | 2724864 jayman21
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Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:25 | 2723897 KK Tipton
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Living Outside The Dialectic: Niki Raapana talks to herself about communitarianism - http://bit.ly/OuJqSQ

 

Opting out of the dialectic

Breaking out of the chains imposed by dialectical thinkers is only painful in the beginning. It is extremely difficult to accept almost every question posed to American voters is a dialectical question. It's a terrible thing to realize the phony dialectic is the foundation for every political party in the USA. It's the foundation for all the "new" sciences, it's the basis for every newly revised local land use ordinance, it's the formula for the "new" international religion, and it's the legal standard for international law.  Clearly the dialectic is the best tool the other side has.

Options are choices

The Communitarian Platform sets the guidelines for the emerging global synthesis. But if we look closer at their agenda, it's only their contrived dialectical arguments and debates that lead to their globalist solutions. This means it's only our participation (or complicit acceptance) that limits our own playing fields to "only two choices." Once we get out of the limitations imposed by dialectical thinkers, our entire perception of the world changes. Suddenly anything is possible because nobody knows the whole truth about anything. This can be both scary and exhilarating, but it's never boring. Eventually, after there's nothing left but our personal beliefs and an individual connection to our core's Higher Power, all of our senses come back into play, including our sense of humor.

One thing is abundantly clear to me, and that is ALL their ideas and options lead to death and total destruction of the human race. Alternative ideas for living are an essential ingredient to living free from their dialectical plan.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:44 | 2723937 OneTinSoldier66
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@Dr. Engali I wish we had legislators rather than what we have now, which is "wise overlords" that have to pass the bill to find out what is in it.

 

But I agree. We don't need either of those and instead we should have self governance, which creates an environment of mutual respect. I believe it creates such an environment because of natural law.

 

Humans do not desire to live in a dog eat dog world. That's what Government redistribution through force and/or coercion fosters though.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:55 | 2723794 madcows
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Does anyone remember War Games with M. Broderick?  WHOPPER, the computer, learns that the only way to win tic-tac-toe and Global Thermal Nuclear War is to not play.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:13 | 2723869 CrockettAlmanac.com
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How about a nice game of chess?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:15 | 2724324 viahj
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i've always had a nagging thought about this.  you can't "win" if you don't play.  you can choose not to play and be better off but in order for that to happen, the computer had to realize that the current environment was more beneficial to one where gloabl thermonuclear war was waged.  how did the computer achieve this self awareness (or the sympathetic notion of preserving humanity) by not playing?  the damn thing was programmed to launch missles at the Soviets, thus killing the enemy.  was Skynet the anti-WOMPer?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:57 | 2723802 magpie
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You didn't plan that, somebody else made it happen

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:01 | 2723824 madcows
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Massivetwoshits?  You watch.  Chief Warren will beat Brown.  Who needs elections when the entire state votes regardless of the candidate's character.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:59 | 2723810 tradewithdave
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From your mouth to Cass Sunstein's involuntarily nudged organ donated ears.

www.tradewithdave.com

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 10:59 | 2723814 Timmay
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"He who moves the pieces has already won the game."

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:02 | 2723828 CvlDobd
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Tyler, how does one go about not playing? I'm compensated for my time in dollars to pay for goods, even gold. I have to expend real time for real items and the link that binds us in the system is the currency. Until we are compensated for our time in real money we are playing the game.

So I didn't buy AAPL? Yeah I really stuck it to the man with that. I just kept my fiat and it's ever shrinking value! Winning!

So I buy physical gold? With what? Dollars! So I have to work more and more and more due to currency debasement and stagnant wages to get something of real value. That means I'm playing he game! Just because someone doesn't have a brokerage account doesn't mean they arent playing.

And don't give me some Simon Black bullshit answer. Storing gold in Hong Kong banks is very much playing he game IMO.

We are all trapped and playing the game whether we like it or not. I don't want to play so please tell me how I can truly stop playing the game. Thanks for the help.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:29 | 2723917 KK Tipton
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"We are all trapped and playing the game whether we like it or not. I don't want to play so please tell me how I can truly stop playing the game."

 

Work on your Mad Max living skills and pray for an asteroid.

 

I'm only half joking.

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:30 | 2723919 nick howdy
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The game depends on the peasants spending that fiat like there is no tomorrow...Stop consuming (as much) and you stop playing and that is how you change the system. We might be lucky to get out of this alive. You make a moral choice period, it's going to feel painful...Especially is this system that only exists because of blind consumption.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:41 | 2724178 Anusocracy
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Boycott the Christmas buying mania.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:01 | 2724266 Kayman
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nick howdy

You, sir, get it.  Food, clothing, shelter, love. You can live well or you can be a glutton.

Buying usless shit with your money is what keeps the ugly system going.  Since Central Banks refuse to pay interest on savings, keep your money in your mattress.

Starve the beast by downsizing. 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 15:53 | 2725029 nick howdy
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I wish I didn't get it...What I know is that when I go to work, I also am supporting the banking cartel through usury and taxation....As long as this is happening I am truly not a free man...

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:50 | 2723993 Raymond Reason
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Freedom comes through self-denial.  Succumbing to the temptations offered by usurers, rulers, and all the powers and principalities, leads to bondage.  Fasting is taught and practiced by the original church, down through the centuries, to strengthen the muscles of self-denial, and break bondage. 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:06 | 2724288 Think for yourself
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"It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles"
~ Buddha

"Conquer yourself and you shall know freedom"
~ I don't remember who 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:14 | 2724084 shovelhead
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The change comes when people stop storing gold and silver and start using it to trade.

The Feds outlaw the benign cannabis plant but you can easily see that it is a multi billion $ domestic market nontheless.

These folks just don't care what Daddy don't allow, they're going to do it anyhow.

And that's the lesson here.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 15:34 | 2724967 dadichris
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great question Cvl

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:13 | 2723870 _ConanTheLibert...
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Starve the fat beast bitchez!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:26 | 2723904 diogeneslaertius
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free will too is an illusion

 

organic life functions much like a sort of true elementary game theory (RAND is full of idiot psychopaths)

 

life is a game after all

 

perception conditions existence

 

 

it is possible to annihilate a lie simply by becoming aware of it - the way a single candle can illuminate an entire room

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:47 | 2724202 shovelhead
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(Insert polite predicate here)

Balderdash!

This is sophisty of the first order.

If we are eating by using FRN's, Euros etc., we are  not annihilating anything. You're in like Flynn, as we all are.

Until we create an alternate real currency (PM's) and not using printed iou's, then no escape is possible, outside of an extreme off-grid type disconnect that is not available to most of us.

Simple as that.

Just the way they want it.

Freedom ain't free. It takes work and determination and a willingness to take the punches that will come.

Which means a crisis that will wake up people that TPTB's promises are worth jack shit.

Hunger will work better than all the philosophy ever created to achieve that end.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:12 | 2724313 Kayman
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shovelhead

Kind sir. You must learn to beat them at their own game. They are a cancer.  They must grow or die. Ergo, stop feeding them.

Look at GDP. Take out Financialization and Government, and GDP is rapidly declining. Since Government and Financialization produces NOTHING, and they require a growing share of the real (rest of GDP) the system is rapidly collapsing.

The parasites have outgrown the host. Figure out your personal NEEDS and your smaller footprint guarantees the parasites will die.

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:28 | 2724402 viahj
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don't forget about barter.  think of the children!  barter.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:33 | 2723905 earleflorida
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Genesis: Wasn't the apple the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge? - and if so, why???

Central Planning: 'Compartmentalized Polarization' --  Religion?

`Motal' -- the accomplishment of scripture [hermeneutics] prophesies proving that the papacy's `Central Planning' is but a hoax. The narrative for mankind's advancement has been predicated upon the intellectual elite from the dawn of civilization. Interpretation is 99.999% of dogma [laws?]?

Historiography subordinant is historicity- all written by the same hand... and with the same ink-well of tainted scrimson blood? -- this central planning we can only name, or call by what this entity really is... adinfinitum Darwinism [social  engineering on an island just doesn't clean my dirty mind?- esp. over millions and millions of years of natural 'disasterous' selection] Evolution?- to what we refer today as the `NWO'!

jmo

thankyou tyler 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:28 | 2724131 GeezerGeek
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Sorry to have to correct you, but Genesis does not say that an apple was the forbidden fruit. In fact, it doesn't even say "the tree of knowledge". What was proscribed, however, was eating fruit from the "tree of knowledge of good and evil". Nowhere did I read that God considered knowledge to be evil in and of itself.

Many early modern scientists, in fact, studied science while believing in a rational God who created a rational universe with rational laws. Imagine trying to determine physical laws in the world of the RoadRunner and Wiley Coyote. "Okay, gravity doesn't take effect for, uh, 1.1232 seconds.after stepping off a cliff..."

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 15:19 | 2724916 Da55id
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and interestingly, the first command was subtle..."of every tree of the garden you may eat TO satisfaction."

Stop when full.

How interesting the world would be if people could find satisfaction

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:27 | 2723911 diogeneslaertius
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man is a rope stretched across the quantum super position of all possible outcomes (its just fields and ultimately OneField)

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:55 | 2724013 New World Chaos
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This is the year we collapse it down to a stark choice:  Freedom or eternal slavery?  I choose freedom.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:36 | 2723945 daxtonbrown
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I am Going Galt as fast as I can, no doubt like many zerohedgers.

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:42 | 2723969 Little John
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The porn industry has shut down due to an STD outbreak.

Why is no one calling for federal stimulus.  This is the only case I can imagine where it just might work. 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 14:36 | 2724728 monad
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Why is no one calling for federal stimulus? Because porn stars work for a living & have self resp[ect. They aren't freeloading whores like WS, DC, the EU, UN & Tel Aviv.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:43 | 2723971 trilliontroll
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1.

1984 movie scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=55d7gMLqxqc#t=47s

 

2.

Normal distribution - meaning the NATURAL VARIETY OF THINGS IN NATURE-

EVOLUTION HAS NOT ELIMINATED THIS FOR OVER 500 MILLION YEARS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution#Assumed_normality

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:44 | 2723972 InconvenientCou...
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dup

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:43 | 2723973 InconvenientCou...
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Evil in a system of human society is directly proportional to the impedence of information flow.

don't eat that apple!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 11:56 | 2724015 three chord sloth
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And now you know why a certain elite element of our society has spent the past 70 years trying to prove free will is just an illusion... we're a mere bag o' chemicals, doing what chemicals do. After all, no free will equals no moral imperative to allow the commoners a choice. You'll do what you're told, where you're told, how you're told.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:28 | 2724125 Monk
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What central planning?

 

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 12:51 | 2724221 CuriousPasserby
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I'm just going Galt and stacking as fast as I can.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:20 | 2724356 Bicycle Repairman
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They have ways of making you play.  ZIRP.  Inflation.  Taxes.  Your children's needs.  Keeping up with the Joneses.  Creating a dangerous environment.  Endless social engineering.  And on and on. 

Free will?  Here are your choices: paper or plastic.

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:27 | 2724396 Fix It Again Timmy
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When you see some roadkill on a highway, do you expect it to suddenly jump up and carry on as before?  The same can be said of the USA...

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 13:31 | 2724420 fiddy pence haf...
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not playing the democracy game as if it matters is good.

playing the taxation without representation game is folly. Black market, barter

and reduce/reuse/make-grow your own.

At some point folks gotta realise that the further away from you power is, the

more damage they can do to you without you even realising it, let alone being

able to react.

Any real democracy has to start small. One village at a time. It doesn't have to run

counter to ''the Man", but will still be seen as a threat. We're all still wed to the

urban work, culture, beer and free sex illusion and so we don't want to challenge it.

That means we're still too rich, and not hungry enough.

Or maybe there's something good on tv

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 14:41 | 2724755 Ckierst1
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Whew!  There for a minute I thought I might actually be forced to contribute to a GRA.  Fear and loathing!

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 15:49 | 2725011 regionswork
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Central to what? There are many centers and many planners: the individual, family, tribe, community, bounded political jurisdictions - municipal, county, state, nation; corporations - profit and non-profit operating cross-boundary at many scales, organized and disorganized crime, all that have their own human perpetuatat as a goal.

Each may plan, e.g., systematically attempt to control their part of the world, within the context of other plans and flows in the world, or those that do not plan, consiciously project into the future to change it, but pursue their goals/survival without system documents.

While characterizing something as a system has efficiency benefits, it is recognized that systems can be gamed. Most humans prefer order over chaos, so that safe sleep is possible.

The greatest threat to our man-made systems is the "failure of intelligence" which is a widespread condition. System feedback that is anomolus is unrecognized or ignored as inconvenient. The American colonies to the British crown; resource limits to infinite growth.

Communities that recognize evolutionary change and are not limited by belief, will adapt the many plans based on their centers, great and small. To be trully useful, planning must incorporate feedback and recognition of a shortfall or failure must be an option.

Psyychologically that is very difficult. Silver linings are sought; positive unintended consequences are useful. Columbus gets to the New World, not the East Indies. 

But sometimes, when plans fail, it is left to the Dead to bury the Dead. Zombies abound.

We do need regional/world views; context and understanding within which to plan for perpetuation. Life, after all, is an unfunded mandate. The young arrive without the means for their own support. This is where adults in any species are very necessary.

Now, front running the central plans of others and any plan changes, if we can learn in advance, timely bets might be worth a few sheckles. Better yet, if we can force changes, game their system, our bets can pay off for us.

Losses? Now, about that betting system. What is the central planning for that?

Tue, 08/21/2012 - 23:00 | 2726134 BlackholeDivestment
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The Soul-less Company Robot is the Supreme Court image of the same Double Headed, Eagle of Lagash, Two Party Political Host. The Robot is the New World Order image of a man, the mapped out fool in contempt. The Current President is the spitting image of that. Agreement, established through the workings of deception, defines the political system, created by the criminal sumbags that founded the Fed company banking criminal enterprise. The Fiat Fed Debt Note (g)od, in which fools trust, even after that trust has been broken over and over again, defines the mark of the beast and the insane fools that have accepted the current line of bullshit, to the point they will comply with new world orders to kill anyone that stands in defense of life liberty freedom independence and justice for all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzXzcyZmL_c&feature=related

 

The new order debt note was used to pay for the vote defining agreement with the seal of contempt. Those persons that now stand in agreement with the government are equal with a soul-less company robot prison warden for the Suicide Vampire Squid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-gmVZgjcUY

If you don't accept the mark of the beast, the people that do will try to kill you inside the prison system they call a borderless global market. It's not a market system, it's a prison matrix now, well mapped out, and there is no escape but in death and mercy. This has been the case since man was risen from the womb of a dying woman that needed to be, uh hum, Fed.

War is the last attempt and tool used to keep humans in the prison mine matrix, deception is the first tool. If you have not divested at this point, or if you are not taking losses, you are giving power unto the beast. Your days are numbered with this generation and are at the point of end, so has it always been liken to the life of a man cast down to labor in the spirit of mercy or evil in this war. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhm1WlrcXho 

The deception, that gave rise to Israel and Jerusalem being restored, defines the Whore of Babylon and the barren Fig Tree. The birds of prey declare the fallen fruit of the nations, required for Israel to have been established through the United Nations body, which was built upon the same criminal foundation that established the Federal Resreve Debt Note (g)od and the worshipful master map makers, market makers, and Income Tax System etc... It is Antichrist, Secular, and as evil as the (g)od invoked for the Pharaoh that tried to keep people  enslaved, those hosts guided by the Mercy of God out of Egypt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e0LB1GWtak&playnext=1&list=PL5F8134DF01264F73&feature=results_main 

...it's so evil, not only shall the future define the slaughter of the past, that was required to establish Israel, the slaughter required to seal the prophetic false peace will be much quicker and equal in power with a WMD. Japan is the prime example of this, but, they are not like antichrist Muslims or antichrist Jews that have nothing to gain by surrender. They seek to save their image of the (g)od they trust, by killing the Mercy of our father in Christ in order to sustain their own image, which is the Antichrist Soul-less SkyNet Company Robot Suicide Vampire Squid of the Great Wal Mart of China. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ioCm2WHDU 

This ain't no Chess Game, this is a death match made in Heaven and on Earth. News flash, Sunshine, you are in it and the hour of this last generation has now come.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZWBw_gupXE&feature=BFa&list=AL94UKMTqg-9Ai08fdRYFGRO1ocBcwX1Wp

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