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Chart Of The Day: The Real, The Fake And The Soon To Be Ugly

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Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:01 | 1869401 AngryGerman
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German spread with itself. like to see that. like merckel blowing her own cock.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:04 | 1869404 KxAlpha
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Eww, you almost made me eat my lunch twice... oh, the picture will stay for a long time

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:25 | 1869575 Harlequin001
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Just think of RobotTrader, I think that's how he picks his stocks...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:50 | 1869476 Taint Boil
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Kind of like peanut butter – spreads for bread?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:03 | 1869403 wang (not verified)
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First we take Paris, then we take Berlin

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:11 | 1869417 Joeprimo55
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 "Zee cabbage does not run away from zee corn-beef."

-Pepe Le Pew

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:05 | 1869407 GeneMarchbanks
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'That is, unless of course, Sarko tips his hand and demands an ECB bailout, an action which will unleash the endgame as vigilantes put France in rearview mirror and head, from every possible direction, right for Frankfurt and the German spread (with itself) directly.'

Ugly it is.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:05 | 1869409 Tense INDIAN
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INVESTORS.....whats that ....there are no investors here...we are all SPECULATORS now...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:17 | 1869432 topcallingtroll
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I wish people would learn the generally accepted distinction between investing and speculating.

There are quite a few people here who are speculating when they think they are investing.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:53 | 1869488 Harlequin001
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Buy gold; no speculation there, it's a dead cert...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:12 | 1869539 Harlequin001
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Ah, that'll be my little puppy dog following me around again with the red arrows.

It must really piss you off having just the one vote...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:25 | 1869440 achmachat
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I am in all honesty invested in precious metals. I do not regard myself as a speculator as the whole lot is stashed away for a very long timeline and is not used for trading in this market.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:54 | 1869489 Harlequin001
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Just need to take care of the taxes then now, eh...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:22 | 1869565 achmachat
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I don't know how it is where you live, but over here there is no tax on gold. zip. nada. And there's just 7% tax on silver.

There is no record anywhere about who owns precious metals here.

I pay taxes on my income and on my real estate. Nobody cares about how I've spent my money after paying my income tax. Spending it on fuel, expensive restaurants and fancy escort girls is the same, on the books, as spending it on gold and putting it away.

I hope I understood your question about taxes correctly and was able to give you a satisfying answer.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:31 | 1869590 Harlequin001
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Not really but you get my drift.

I too own physical pms but I am only too aware that when all these defaults occur, the govt will need to raise income and gold will be the primary target principally because it will be one of the few things making any gains, except food that is. A wealth tax is coming, from which you pay every year. Might be worth considering, that's all...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:34 | 1869602 Odin
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Im calling a severe drop in Gold in the short term... Let's not forget that the sheeple will run into the US dollar when Europe finally shits the bed....It's great as a long play though...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:52 | 1869641 Harlequin001
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Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:50 | 1869475 SheepDog-One
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Just rollin the dice, bettin on black....but 'investing'? Dont make me laugh. Its not an investment to put up your money based upon the idea someone else will print more and match it for you, thats actually insanity.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:01 | 1869491 Harlequin001
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In an environment where everything from the CB down is holding something the value of which is dependent on inaccurately valued bank assets, anyone who thinks they are 'investing' is simply fucking deluded.

In an environment where everything from the CB down is bought and traded through electronic means through which the bank itself knows where all its clients stop losses are set, (and therefore just waits to be taken out at the banks convenience); anyone who thinks they are 'investing' is just someone else's mug. Literally.

just buy gold, it's the only way to be certain...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:09 | 1869414 Silverhog
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Musical chairs with the volume so low it's hard to hear when the music stops.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:11 | 1869418 youngman
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I think the the run to German bonds will be a bad bet as Germany will collapse ..they are an exporter and if no on can buy your crap anymore...the golden goose is cooked...so I assume they will run elsewhere...US treasuries..I hope not but most will....PM´s..I hope so ...the faster that becomes the world currency ..the faster we get out of this mess...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:14 | 1869518 Harlequin001
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Ultimately pm's are the only place to go... but not yet.

When you consider how much money is held on deposit either at the bank or by the bank at the ECB/ Fed, that sum constitutes the minimum available inflationary pressure. When that money moves to product/ commodities you will see inflation like never before entirely irrelevant of the collapse in credit assets. It will be very fast, and with every passing day more inevitable. If you aren't holding gold and silver then, you won't be...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:12 | 1869420 HelluvaEngineer
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If I recall correctly, the last time the bond markets were closed ES took off like a rocket.  All those hot Benny Bucks gotta go somewhere.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:20 | 1869423 topcallingtroll
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I remember bond vigilantes from my youth.

My guaranteed student loans were at nine percent. CD's at 15 percent.

Fuckin pussy Italians cant handle 7%?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:07 | 1869522 Harlequin001
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I bet yanks can't handle 5%...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:12 | 1869424 disabledvet
Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:15 | 1869429 G-R-U-N-T
Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:58 | 1869493 SheepDog-One
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Right, most feared worst case scenario is here 'death of the Euro'...but thats OK hey I know lets jack futures up triple digits. 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:54 | 1869859 Mark123
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The people who provide real liquidity to the markets are all thinking the same thing....the markets are controlled.  Some believe that this is wrong and damages the real economy (like myself), the others believe that it is good and provides stability (MSNBC et al).  I know of very few people that still believe the financial markets are an efficient tool that allows for real price discovery.

In other words, this market is effectively dead and all that is left are people trying to position themselves to profit at the expense of others.  I am still playing in the cesspool but not in a big way, trying to outsmart the crowd that is still being conned....some days it is dismal.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:19 | 1869435 Setarcos
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Well we are fucked, though I like to imagine how it might have been:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sp8oREsvW0&feature=uploademail

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:20 | 1869436 ziggy59
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Should have the music to go along.. Good bad ugly..

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:23 | 1869438 bankonzhongguo
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The spreads are irrelevant. In fact the bigger and more "chaotic" the better.

When the printing presses, backed by the future labor of the masses, are there to cover any misses or downside, then heck you are better off with more risk.

Hard to collapse any of these markets that are buoyed by the 'invisible 'black" hand.'

I like how the "financial news" keeps reporting that various market players, read MF Global, made "bad bets" in describing their failed operations.

Bets.  Its pure gambling.

Except in this, they can ALWAYS retire to the ATM machine to recharge their wallet on their way back from the john.

We are going to use the guts of these banksters, lobbyists and the lawyers that keep them running to grease the treads of our tanks.

Today is Armistice Day.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:25 | 1869439 fonzanoon
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Let me get this straight. The federal reserve prints endless money and puchases our own bonds to prop up our phony economy and the market does not call bullshit on it. By most measurable standards our inflation is no worse than anyone else's and our borrowing costs are minimal. The ECB is fighting tooth and nail to keep from printing money. Europe has higher levels of inflation (I think) and their countries bond yields are getting blown out day after day. I will never ever understand this.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:01 | 1869503 Chump
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"Yours is not to question why..."

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:01 | 1869505 disabledvet
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"don't phuck with toon town."

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:02 | 1869508 supermaxedout
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Its easy to understand its all rigged and orchestrated.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:12 | 1869538 catch edge ghost
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If (when) a supranational fiat replaces the $US as reserve currency, you'll see a more equitable treatment of US paper compared with Europe or anywhere else. 

I have a feeling Americans aren't going to like that so much.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:21 | 1869561 BoNeSxxx
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A lot has been written on ZH lately (some credible, some just incredible) about the petrodollar.  In this case, it is THE answer to your question.  At least the #1 answer.

As long as OPEC's oil is traded in US Dollars, the US has a much greater capacity to print (guaranteed demand).  The Euro, not so much -- they actually need to be careful with their supply.

Pull the petrodollar trade and that's when the music stops for the USD.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:38 | 1869611 Odin
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What's there to understand? It's a giant, unorganized circus, where the performers are constantly juggling balls of shit, and calling it progress...

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:33 | 1869452 reload
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Strap yourselves in folks - a Friday chop session lies ahead.

With regard to the article, it has been clear so far today in Europe that the main index futures are not quite so sensitive to the Euro/$ pair.

FTSE testing horizontal resistance (as is the Euro) again.

A false break to the upside is on the cards - purely because that will cause the most pain to day traders.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:38 | 1869460 Dr. Engali
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What ever happened to the days when people would take risk off going into the weekedend? I fail to understand the adding of risk over the weekend. Unless it's just shorts afraid they will get caught up in some big announcement.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:00 | 1869874 Mark123
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The market is being moved by the primary dealers using free loaned money from the Fed.  These moves before the weekend are to provide confidence to the market and to create a cushion for losses on the days that reality rears its ugly head.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:40 | 1869465 monopoly
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Yup, the inmates are alone today, no supervison so they can play the game any way they want to. I don't trade the market, so I don't care.

Like what I got. 

Interesting article: I rarely pay attention to MSM but this is in line with our thoughts here:

Gold's safe harbor offers new means of escape 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:41 | 1869466 pmcgoohan
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I can see that the French bond yields are spiking up beautifully, but the long term chart (say 5yr) looks very different to Italy.

For example the French yields were higher than now in 2007 at the height of senseless global exuberance.

That compares to Italy which had half the yield in 2007.




What am I missing here- can someone explain why French yields still seem low long term? Is it outflows from riskier sovereigns into a (very) relative safe haven or what?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:05 | 1869519 reload
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The effect of ZIRP -its all about relativity now - or spreads.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:18 | 1869554 pmcgoohan
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Excuse my ignorance, but can you explain this a little more?

I can see ZIRP keeping US/UK bond yields low, but why the French?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:42 | 1869467 pantheo
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Apart from Italy, Austria and France put Spain in the map again...


Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:44 | 1869468 chrisina
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You keep repeating this wrong info that french Govt bonds are ineligible for ECB intervention, that's not what the ECB's internal guidelines state :





Article 1 

Under the terms of this Decision, Eurosystem central banks may purchase the following: (a) on the secondary market, eligible marketable debt instruments issued by the central governments or public entities of the Member States whose currency is the euro;



Article 2 


Marketable debt instruments shall be eligible for outright purchase under the programme if they are all of the following: (a) denominated in euro; and (b) either: (i) issued by central governments or public entities of the Member States whose currency is the euro;



Clearly, French Govt bonds are as eligible as any other Eurozone Govt bonds under the SMP!


Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:45 | 1869470 fonzanoon
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Does anyone on here actually believe that anyone really follows any guidelines anymore? Hello? tap tap....is this thing on?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:31 | 1869591 chrisina
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ZH has published three articles in the last 24 h repeating that French Govt bonds are ineligible to ECB intervention so that info must be comming from  somewhere, where? The ECB's internal guidelines clearly state that French Govt bonds are eligible, so where is the guideline saying that it's not?


Whether they follow guidelines is another matter...

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