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Chart Of The Day: Smith & Wesson Sales

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The attached chart of Smith & Wesson revenues needs no comment.

Well one comment: when the final bubble does pop (and here we make the wild assumption that no intelligent extraterrestrial life will be found to bail out the central banks in time), at least everyone will be locked and loaded.

And some highlights from the just released investor presentation:

  • Record-level quarterly sales growth from continuing ops of $136.0M, +48.3% Y/Y
  • Record-level quarterly income from continuing ops of $18.9M, or $0.28 per diluted share
  • Record Adjusted Non-GAAP EBITDAS of $36.1 Million
  • Raised Full Year Fiscal 2013 Financial Guidance
  • Exceeded high end of upwardly revised sales guidance
  • Quarterly unit growth +30.1% vs. market growth +23.5% (Adjusted NICS)
  • Backlog of $392.4M versus $148.8 one year ago

Full investor presentation:



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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 16:57 | 2769436 Aziz
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Forward! (to the gun shop).

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 16:58 | 2769441 icanhasbailout
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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:03 | 2769456 nope-1004
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Quantitative Uzi's.


Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:10 | 2769487 TruthInSunshine
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Exploding firearm sales can only reflect the reality that the economy is recovering very robustly and that Americans are feeling highly confident and optimistic about their personal economic and financial situation.



Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:11 | 2769490 12ToothAssassin
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I love a good ZH gun thread!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:13 | 2769503 economics9698
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Most bang for the buck.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:17 | 2769520 Stackers
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Do you feel lucky punk ?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:36 | 2769559 Kitler
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The graph shows a strong positive corelation to the TEOTWAWKI fear index. The "Backlog of $392.4M versus $148.8 one year ago" is stopping the sales from going vertical.

Bullish with a bullet.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:53 | 2769617 camaro68ss
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I love S&W! Great quality Guns!!!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:23 | 2769684 The Alarmist
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If it did need comment, it would be something like,

"Do you feel lucky, punk?"

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:28 | 2769697 Michael
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Got Guns & Ammo?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:51 | 2769749 SWRichmond
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Yes, but will any of them be able to hit anything?

"According to a 2008 analysis of NYPD firearms discharge data done by the New York Times, between 1996-2006 officers hit their intended target about 34 percent of the time"


Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:02 | 2769780 SgtShaftoe
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NYPD cops only get 20 rounds (one box) of ammo a year to practice with.  Then they "qualify" in an air conditioned "square" range with uniformly symmetrical silhouette targets, that don't move appreciably, and are not under combat stress.  That's why cops have a rate of "accidental" deaths (murder) orders of magnitude higher than civilians and CCW holders.  Then take into account law enforcement salaries, and those that are attracted to that line of work (especially in the last 10 years)... recipe for disaster.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:45 | 2769896 sunaJ
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Not the case in my department. 600 rounds/yr (but if you wanted, you could get over 1000), 2 qualifiers/y, and I guess with 200 armed personnel, about a third to one half are swat, ex-swat, or serious about training (more than 200 hrs/year), serving a population of 120,000. Maybe that's rare, but I doubt it. If you are inferring that CCW holders and "citizens" are better trained, that is a pretty big statement. Yes, you get some officers that shouldn't be carrying guns, if that is your other point.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:51 | 2769906 francis_sawyer
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Happiness is a Warm Gun (WHITE ALBUM)



REVOLVER (1966) Soundtrack ~ #1 Billboard Charts

Side one No. Title Lead vocals Length 1. "Taxman" (George Harrison) Harrison 2:39 2. "Eleanor Rigby" McCartney 2:08 3. "I'm Only Sleeping" Lennon 3:02 4. "Love You To" (Harrison) Harrison 3:01 5. "Here, There and Everywhere" McCartney 2:26 6. "Yellow Submarine" Starr 2:40 7. "She Said She Said" Lennon 2:37 Side two   No. Title Lead vocals Length   1. "Good Day Sunshine" McCartney 2:10 2. "And Your Bird Can Sing" Lennon 2:02 3. "For No One" McCartney 2:01 4. "Doctor Robert" Lennon 2:15 5. "I Want to Tell You" (Harrison) Harrison 2:30 6. "Got to Get You into My Life" McCartney 2:31 7. "Tomorrow Never Knows"


Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:56 | 2770286 Slewburger
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Machine your own!

**Totally legal, just have to mark it and cannot resell it**


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:42 | 2770717 Michael
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It's fear of nothing when your a gun owner.

I couldn't give a shit about ethnic personality's complaints.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 02:38 | 2770761 Michael
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Got Guns & Ammo?

I should make this my signature line.

I just made this up.  It's like that Got Popcorn? (meme)

People should make bumper stickers out of this saying.

People should make T-Shirts with "Got Guns & Ammo? on the front and "Good." on the back.

I give this to you for free.  Have at it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:12 | 2769974 Drachma
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You sound like the level-headed kind of guy that, when the time came, would use those 1000 rounds on the right side - the side of your community.


Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:50 | 2770060 sunaJ
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Maybe I am level-headed, but I'm pissed as hell at these financial and governmental crimes.  The police officers and our citizen army need to remember their oaths more than their orders when SHTF.  It will come to that, and many will make the right choice.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:44 | 2770603 EscapingProgress
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I have no confidence in the majority of law enforcement to make the "right" choice. They don't make the right choices now, so why would they make different decisions in the future? As long as they still have their pensions the majority of officers will simply default to the "I don't like it, but I'm just doing my job/duty" choice which seems to be a recurring theme for all gov't enforcers.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:30 | 2770378 nyquil762
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He is correct in implying that CCW holders are better trained  (they almost always are) and your department (as you have described it) appears to be an exception. It also sounds like you guys are "over staffed'. I like the fact that you guys are well trained. However, I don't like that many cops on the street (per capita) because, it's tough on the municipal budgets and even tougher on the population (civil liberties).

You cops tend to find things to do when there's a bunch of you with nothing to do. Also, you tend to act as revenue producers (fines and fees) and tax collectors for the elite. Just sayin....

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:49 | 2769910 Ahmeexnal
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NYPD cops only get 20 rounds (one box) of ammo a year to practice with.  Then they "qualify" in an air conditioned "square" range with uniformly symmetrical silhouette targets, that don't move appreciably, and are not under combat stress.

WTF? They only get 20 rounds of ammo per year, but they get 4 dozen doughnuts per week??

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:43 | 2770406 NoClueSneaker
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However, they managed to put 30-40 rounds in every "suspect" n****ah in NY who dines in an expensive restaurant and attack them the with the iPhone  ( supposed to look as an RPG )....

Practise is obsolete, targets r legit, ( thx to Nelson Rockefeller ), live sessions r a goode Xperience ....

Keep on exterminating, NY-Death-Squads - bullish fer your pensions :-P



Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:52 | 2769918 Simon Endean
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@SgtShaftoe: "NYPD cops only get 20 rounds (one box) of ammo a year to practice with."


Perhaps the goodly officers could spend some of their own money and practice a bit more. 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:28 | 2769843 Shazam342
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That's because they're union.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:43 | 2769889 10mm
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Do not forget the 14lb trigger pull.It's a shoe in the first round get's pulled.You can have a steak dinner and scotch down before the first bang.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:50 | 2769755 nmewn
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I really gotta give up boating ;-)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:35 | 2769862 PC Load Letter
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"I don't know whether to laugh to cry."


Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:35 | 2769707 aerojet
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Not lately they aren't!  Crooked barrels on revolvers and lousy accuracy on the M&P line.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:04 | 2770551 Real Estate Geek
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FWIW, my M&P has been through two classes at Gunsite ( without a hiccup.  And any accuracy problems are on me.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:56 | 2769917 neidermeyer
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I like them best when they're reworked by Power Custom Handguns. My "model 10" PPC revolver is like like hammering nails at 100 yards.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:15 | 2770137 fattail
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Glock  Bitchezzzz.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:36 | 2770504 CompassionateFascist
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1st time out & I can't hit a barn door at 20' with my Glock23. 1st time out with my M1a I shredded (somebody else's) target at 200 yards. But they are both great guns. And don't forget, NOVEMBER 6th IS NATIONAL BUY-A-GUN-DAY! Gunstores are currently full of guns that need warm, loving homes. 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 19:52 | 2773547 Milton Freewater
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I promised myself I could only buy a sweet ass rifle if I finished "Tragedy and Hope" by Carol Quigley. It's like "Moby Dick" without the pictures.


Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:20 | 2770153 Dugald
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Laugh you may but here in Oz a S&W 38 wheel gun runs

860 bucks and up......a compound bow it looking good.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:20 | 2770156 jmeyer
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there' OK but check out Sigarms ( ya, Deutschland )

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:12 | 2769664 DaveyJones
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no, we feel unlucky

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:02 | 2769946 msmith9962
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"Guns are for hunting dangerous and delicious animals, and keeping the king of England out your face." Krusty the Clown

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:47 | 2770050 Bob Dobbs
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Single action .38 model 14. 6" barrel, 148 gr. wadcutter, 3 gr Red Dot.  3" cluster at 50 yards. 1/2" std with a cold barrel, 5/8" std hot.


Good gun.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:43 | 2769734 TrulyStupid
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Anyone have a corresponding chart of the suicide by gunshot  numbers? The home defense crowd are 5 times more likely to shoot themselves or family members than any real or imaginary right wing demon.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:55 | 2769765 i_fly_me
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This is long-debunked lib claptrap.  Try to keep up.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:59 | 2769771 12ToothAssassin
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"The home defense crowd are 5 times more likely to shoot themselves or family members than any real or imaginary right wing demon."


So does anyone wanna site proof of this allegation?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:16 | 2769986 A Nanny Moose
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Thanks for the link

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:44 | 2769892 JackT
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How can someone without a gun shoot themselves or a family member? Your statisticals seem a bit off to me

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:18 | 2769990 mjcOH1
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But 67% of liberals are less likely to have majored in a field requiring non-remedial math.   It's all good.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:15 | 2770465 Excursionist
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Per Michelle's speech in Charlotte, Barack Obama doesn't care about money.  So who needs math?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:33 | 2770496 earnyermoney
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LOL. It's all about the money.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:34 | 2770697 Peter Pan
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Obama doesn't care about the money and it's obvious he oesn't care about the debt either.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:09 | 2769795 nmewn
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Ok, I give, what are you trying to say?...that the "home defense crowd" are left wing?

Japan's suicide rate is way higher than ours (number seven vs number forty one) and you can't own much more than a shotgun in Japan...if you want to die of old age FIRST trying to wade through the government crap to get one, knock yourself

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:10 | 2769805 ArrestBobRubin
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So your avatar is a self-assessment then?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:38 | 2769878 gtb
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His vote makes it unanimous.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:31 | 2769852 barkingbill
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lol...get some perspective....

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:30 | 2770014 Michael
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Should I hijack the new Obama speech thread driving it to the moon tonight with new scathing info, or leave it to all of you?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:47 | 2770417 NoClueSneaker
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Machma "hijack " :-P

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:28 | 2770012 Hulk
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All families have members that should be shot...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:56 | 2770084 nmewn
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No truer statement has ever been uttered...maybe if they took care of "their own" we wouldn't need so many prisons and lawyers and "counselors" and non-profits...God save us from those who make a CAREER as

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:40 | 2770214 Nikao7
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The need for so many prisons is due to ridiculous laws,  i.e. pot.  But the Prison Industrial Complex needs business.  Now more than ever with the rise in privatization of prisons.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:46 | 2770250 Hulk
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and that is exactly why it is illegal to shoot obnoxious family members, there aren't enough pot heads in america to replace them.  QED...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:49 | 2770527 CompassionateFascist
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Violent cri'yime is way down 'cause I have a gun and U don't. 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:50 | 2770420 NoClueSneaker
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Mother-in-law counts ?

*Cleaning my 1911 ...*

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:55 | 2770437 Overfed
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TrulyStupid. Name fits.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:53 | 2769619 bobnoxy
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Hey, funny thing about that. Remember all the dumb shits wailing about how Obama was going to take away their guns? As it turns out, there's more guns than ever now and the gun makers can't keep up with demand.

Odd that so many right wingers would be so gullible, huh? Played like fools again, and the gun sellers laugh all the way to their daily Brinks drop offs. Hilarious!

Wait until they find out that the only contender for president that ever took away their guns was Romney, with his assault weapon ban in Massachussetts! Funnier still!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:33 | 2769706 Abiotic Oil
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Voting for Romney? Yer funny dewd!

Robamney/Ryden 2012...

and beyond!!!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:53 | 2770433 NoClueSneaker
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Makes 4  legit targets full ... Poker winn should be awarded. :-)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:35 | 2769709 LMAOLORI
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Surprise! DNC Platform Demands More Gun Control Laws

"Well one comment: when the final bubble does pop (and here we make the wild assumption that no intelligent extraterrestrial life will be found to bail out the central banks in time), at least everyone will be locked and loaded."

I'm just glad to see there's another reason for me to add to my weapon's collection Bitterly Clinging was unbecoming

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:43 | 2769730 Frozen IcQb
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 "One S&W will fetch you 12 Ipads"

What's more to say?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:50 | 2769912 The Shootist
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I consider Smith revolvers with their internal lock, pricey.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:00 | 2769939 ShrNfr
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However, of all my firearms, I find them the most accurate and dependable. Of course, any of my firearms shoot better than I can aim them, but still. If you can't do it with six shots, you need more range time.

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 15:53 | 2782892 12ToothAssassin
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What happens if 7 baddies wanna get you? Do you ask 2 of them to line up?


Or what if you want suppression fire to convince a crowd that there are easier victims?

Ill bet that 33rd mag is looking really good right then.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:00 | 2769940 ShrNfr
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However, of all my firearms, I find them the most accurate and dependable. Of course, any of my firearms shoot better than I can aim them, but still. If you can't do it with six shots, you need more range time.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:00 | 2769941 knukles
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1,000,000,000 iPads won't fetch you one S&W

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:32 | 2770020 Hulk
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Maybe so, but if worn correctly, can make for almost perfect camo in an Apple store...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:53 | 2769760 DosZap
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Surprise! DNC Platform Demands More Gun Control Laws



?Unfortunately for those morons, the bulk of Americans do not agree.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:42 | 2769731 DosZap
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Hey, funny thing about that. Remember all the dumb shits wailing about how Obama was going to take away their guns? As it turns out, there's more guns than ever now and the gun makers can't keep up with demand.


BHO is the best weapons salesman ever(and w/good reason, your smarmy assed attitude will be gone, if he gets in for four more,shit gonna change major leauge),even better than Clitton.And that was a sight to behold.

The reason he has rated his job as INCOMPLETE, is because the 100% dismemberment of America is not copmplete.

Read between the lines...............dude.The ONLY reason he did not sign onto the UN mandate was to get that four more...........

PRAY that it doesn't happen.

Your country,and your ass depends on it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:48 | 2769746 TrulyStupid
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Oh my God, OBAMA the OTHER is going to take all our guns away... better buy more now and express our patriotism by shooting our own dick off.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:15 | 2769810 Michael
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Your handle name fits. HaHa.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:58 | 2770089 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Your handle name fits. HaHa.

Indeed. He's the kind of idiot that would, on a dare, cut off his own dick to prove he's a man.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:30 | 2770179 tiwimon
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a penis doesn't make you a man, it makes you a male. Character, good morals, integrity, honor, respect and a myriad of other traits and actions makes a male a man.

I'm betting TrulyStupid is neither male or man

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:01 | 2770302 Michael
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I can't believe Truly Stupid has been here on ZH for more than two years and hasn't learned a goddamn thing.

Or perhaps it is truly stupid.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:47 | 2770624 Strut
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Actually the OP was making a factual statement regarding the ramp up in gun and ammo sales which was not from any real Democratic policy, but from NRA and related propaganda designed to cater to a base and its fear of blacks, Muslims, terrorists, and gun control freaks from taking "their" country and guns from them. The NRA is nothing but a lobbyist for gun manufactures, and the original Super PAC.

If anything, your own experience here on ZH should teach you to see through propaganda, even if generally you might agree with the particular message.  The only real threat to gun rights in the US is the more and more frequent mass murders by the hands of fucked up (primarily white) kids, and the byproducts of a failed drug war.

For what it’s worth, I'm a long time marksman, hunter, and proud arsenal owner. 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 02:00 | 2770706 Michael
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It's about fear of nothing when your a gun owner.

I couldn't give a shit about ethnic personality's complaints.


Fri, 09/07/2012 - 21:17 | 2773699 TrulyStupid
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I'vebeen stocking up on guns, ammo and Dinty Moore beef stew.

Hey what happened to my house? my job? my pensions?...

Quick.. who do I shoot?  Dinty Moore? the nearest black person?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:15 | 2769811 nmewn
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Don't you have a National Socialist Party rally to attend tonight?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:30 | 2769846 ArrestBobRubin
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I think you meant Jewish Bolshevik rally, that would be far more accurate

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:39 | 2769882 nmewn
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Hitler wasn't a jooo's a clip from last nights National Socialist rally...

And here's one of their loyal party members tagged as a "financial guest" running away like the rat he might recognize him, he's been in the news ;-)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:17 | 2769988 Zero Govt
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Nmewn  -  loved the links, thanks :)

the Solyndra slimebag, how is it both he and the President haven't been cuffed for that financial scandal... we know, same as Corzine at MF Global

and the Democrats cheesy lie, "we all share Govt" we don't, half the population don't vote just for starters and the productive are persecuted, the parasites put on pedestals

the stink that's going on is going ape-shit in these end of Empire days

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:41 | 2770040 nmewn
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You're welcome sir.

The smell of the rot can be suffocating...but I'm holding out hope enough people will recognize what has and is being foisted on us every cycle. I am forced between choosing between a soft socialist and a full blown narcissistic Marxist turned Fascist freak.

Do I like it? No. Have I seen the march toward it every decade of my life? Very much so. Do I still have the freedom to fight its progress? Yes I do.

Delaying actions until the slumbering mass awakes is the only choice. I haven't given up on us because their own lies will trap them.

Just like that ridiculous bond buying scheme in euro-land where they don't have the "money" to purchase the debt bonds that the governments issue, that the governments can never make good on anyways in principle or interest, because the tax base has but unicorn farts.

We just have to stand the smell a little longer until the little kid steps forward and announces the emporer has no clothes.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:00 | 2770443 NoClueSneaker
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... Barry gave up an GS-endorsement Muppet ... Suckers r on the other side of the pond. How about HSH-Nordbank  ..... ?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:38 | 2770209 Clashfan
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Um, are you SURE Hitler wasn't part Jewish?

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 06:51 | 2770877 nmewn
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I love the word "may" denotes such firmness of conviction to anything that follows it ;-)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:02 | 2769772 Chuck Walla
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Hey, funny thing about that. Remember all the dumb shits wailing about how Obama was going to take away their guns? As it turns out, there's more guns than ever now and the gun makers can't keep up with demand

Yeah, everybody knows how much Dems love guns(Fast & Furious).  First stab at gun control was by Southern Dems trying to disarm newly freed Blacks so their friends in the Klan could terrorize them.  Then, the left discovered that through welfare and poor education, they could get Black people to terrorize their own.  Wasn't Margaret Sanger's Planned Parenthood idea simple eugenics to rid the world of Black people?  Except the Germans took to it earlier than the Democrats.  And now the Democrats have an idea that doesn't have their fingerprints on it.  Now, add in Sanger's love for the Fabians and its kismet for erasing the inconvenient with high abrotion rates amongst the poor.



Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:20 | 2769826 Michael
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Hopefully they can get the black abortion rate up from 51% to 75% or higher. /sarc

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:21 | 2769830 Rearranging Dec...
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But ofcourse I am sure that the Assault Weapons ban in Massachusetts contains the same type of exceptions for law enforcement and military personnel that exist here in CA.  Like the bankers and other elite wouldn't ensure that they are protected? I would be more inclined to support an assault weapons ban if Police and Military were also subject to it.



Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:03 | 2770099 AlamoJack
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ANY inclination of yours (or anyone else's) to support ANY firearm ban is treasonsous.  You are on the WRONG website Mr.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 13:23 | 2772298 Rearranging Dec...
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And since the power elite will never be down to relinquish the weaponry of their praetorian guards, i will never support a ban. My logic is consistent with the founders and their original intent of the second amendment. Its the linchpin amendment to the entire bill of rights.



Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:34 | 2769857 barkingbill
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our politics is dysfunctional....please give up the football game....the home team loses either way. 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:39 | 2769880 tenpanhandle
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Like I'd believe anything that comes from NBC newspeak.  How do we know this isn't all from FEMA - Weather Service - BLM - Forest service - postal service -, etc. etc. purchases of firearms to match their ammo purchases?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:21 | 2770472 Overfed
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They had already been taken away in Illinois.

Tell me, how do you intend to defend O'bomb-a when he begins drone strikes in the US?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 16:57 | 2769440 Debtonation
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Do they make a golden gun?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:04 | 2769464 Wildlife
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1 bullet = 1 kill

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:49 | 2770423 Wildlife
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That was a goldeneye reference right?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:27 | 2769555 Sphinx_www
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A golden gun with silver bullets. LOL

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:13 | 2769669 Overflow-admin
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Is that some kind of "Buy a golden gun to kill the Goldman?" campaign?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:16 | 2769817 ptoemmes
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Actually yes...a well known former Libyan dictator had his taken from his palace. Magnum Research makes the Desert Eagle in 24k gold plate. Several refinishers will happily take your money and plate just about any firearm.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:02 | 2769936 Manthong
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I’ve got a shiny Beretta FS92 EL   LIKE THIS ONE   with gold accents..  never shot it but it feels incredible to hold with the slick walnut grips. All of my other FS92’s are for plinking.. The 1911s and .40 SW Glocks are for more serious stuff.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:53 | 2770070 ptoemmes
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Sweet...I've got a vintage Italian 92FS stainless and an HK45C.  Been wanting a 1911 ;-)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 16:59 | 2769446 Widowmaker
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Wait until the lawless dead bankers chart comes out.

"No one saw it coming."

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:51 | 2770065 SnobGobbler
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Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:00 | 2769449 Van Halen
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The sales - are they to the citizens or the government?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:21 | 2769536 hannah
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thats what i was thinking. no shrtage of inventory at last show i went to....plenty to buy and the prices have even started to go down. many venders taking $50-$100 off.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:24 | 2769543 aka Gil
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Probably both.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:31 | 2769561 RobD
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I'm not aware of any FED agency that carries S&W sidearms though they may be buying there AR style rifles. Most alphabet agencies carry sigs or glocks I believe, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:40 | 2769586 Ghordius
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the glock 17, I understand. the simplest, most easy to use, least troublesome of all handguns ever made

but for non-uniformed use the glock 26 is the thing, except if you have big hands

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:42 | 2769591 12ToothAssassin
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So let it be spoken, so let it be done. In Glock I trust.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:47 | 2769605 RECISION
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Try the G20.

For serious shooters.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:58 | 2769636 Ghordius
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it's super cool, the G20. but I have small hands, don't foresee the need of so much firepower, such far away shots, so massive targets and so on

in my experience when you really need a handgun it has to be fast and it's near. so good and small for me, and for all the rest other much bigger weapons are better suited

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:49 | 2769899 10mm
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Your hitting home "RECISION".Glock brought the mighty 10 out of the 80's closet.It's really not that bad in terms of recoil,just practice.And that Poly frame soaks it up.Go to "UnderWoodAmmo",they are the real deal in 10mm and priced right.You will love there selection and price.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:05 | 2770308 Nikao7
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Thanks but I'll take the G21.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:49 | 2769613 RobD
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Glocks I have my friend, 26(wifes carry gun), 27, 22, 20 and my everydayer the 29.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:07 | 2769794 Chuck Walla
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but for non-uniformed use the glock 26 is the thing, except if you have big hands


Gen 4 takes care of the problem with the different backstraps. The 19 is the best compromise of size, concealability and accuracy. the 26 is damn accurate and small. Hardened steel barrels can handle hundreds of thousands of rounds. dead simple to work on. Reliable.


Sig, HK, FN, Browning, Beretta, S&W M&P - all great choices for personal protection.



Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:15 | 2769813 ArrestBobRubin
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Ruger too, and they're made in the USA by our countrymen and women. A big plus for Ruger, imo.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:55 | 2769922 nmewn
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Love my GP100, handles great, just like pointing my index finger right out of the box.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:33 | 2770023 BeerBrewer09
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Awesome revolvers.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 13:31 | 2772343 Freddie
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Ruger's semi auto pistols are not bad either.  They are like old pickups.  A bit heavy, solid, and reliable as hell.   I actually had one, lost all my guns in a boating accident.  It was as accurate as any Glock.

The newish Ruger AR15 variant is a nice gun.  

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:44 | 2769596 The Shootist
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The sales speak for themselves. Though many departments carry M&P fortays.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:53 | 2770074 DosZap
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The sales speak for themselves. Though many departments carry M&P fortays

TRUE,LE requires a manual saftey in many areas.

Here it's Glocks, and Sigs,80-20.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:22 | 2769682 HelluvaEngineer
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Dept. of Treas. just converted, 6 mos ago

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:55 | 2769764 scatterbrains
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Some agencies are going with the smith 40 because it has the patent on that magazine safety where if you pull the mag you can't fire the gun (more often than not a round has been chambered) and with the average level of intelligence at the typical agency that feature is critical.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:07 | 2769796 SgtShaftoe
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I think some of homeland security carry M&Ps.  Other agencies may carry them as well.  It's become a pretty popular platform.  As far as I know, FBI, and others mostly carry glocks, and SIGs, as do most local LE.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:48 | 2769606 DosZap
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Gooobermints do not use S&W's.

Nor do nearly all LE.(Unless a major shift has occured, and I do not see it happening).

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:31 | 2769703 Pool Shark
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Major Shift?

CHP has been using S&W's for years:

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:50 | 2769754 DosZap
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CHP has been using S&W's for years:

Cheapest ones,and Cali is not known for their intelligence.

Until the M&P series came out, you could not give me a S&W Semi.

Revolvers,hell yeah.

Not semis.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:59 | 2769934 dr kill
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I think you should take a deep breath, my friend. Wouldn't take a SW Semi-auto handgun for free? Are you speaking at the DNC tonight?

And the M&P series sucks compared to the old all-steel jobs. Plastic recoil spring guide. Cheap is what they are. Take the 910S and leave me the 659.

You talk like a man with a paper asshole.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:01 | 2769452 ebworthen
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Finally, a bullish chart that makes sense.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:07 | 2769484 Dr Benway
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Haha yeah, gold and this

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:04 | 2769461 Dreadker
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Love my M&P 15 ORC ;-)  Better than any stock market investment ;-)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:04 | 2769463 Silver Bully
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So does this mean the CEO is loaded?

And if he buys gold and silver, is he into heavy metal?

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just sayin' . . .

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:06 | 2769466 Pseudo Anonym
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what do you mean?:

at least everyone will be locked and loaded.

i guess you meant cops, fema, cia, fbi, nsa, para-mili, banksters, black-ops and other gov't agencies to kill defiant fat ameerikans...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:10 | 2769489 Dr Benway
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Yeah well at least the fatso US civilians have guns too. Here in Oz we are almost as fat, but largely unarmed.

So much easier to handle, herd and harvest.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:24 | 2769545 ArrestBobRubin
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Want to guess who arranged Port Arthur mate?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 17:48 | 2769609 The Shootist
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More like "nerd" and harvest. The Queenie preacheth -so doeth.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:06 | 2769651 DosZap
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Dr Benway

 Here in Oz we are almost as fat, but largely unarmed.


Yep, and WHO allowed that to happen???.

I am still sick of seeing your protection being steamrolled............


Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:07 | 2769653 DosZap
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Dr Benway

 Here in Oz we are almost as fat, but largely unarmed.


Yep, and WHO allowed that to happen???.

I am still sick of seeing your protection being steamrolled............


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