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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:13 | 1597670 MIDTOWN
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If you know of "Relaxed Lending Standards" please disclose what bank you are dealing with.  Relaxed Lending Standards are not a reality.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:39 | 1597766 JohnG
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Is not NINJA, option ARM's and interest only loans how we got here in the first place???

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 22:15 | 1597877 Cyan Lite
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Standards haven't been relaxed to match the interest rates.  I get credit card offers in the mail now with a 725 FICO, but they are all for 19.9% or higher interest rates.  SBA-backed loans are still in the 9.5% and higher range.  CRE loans are non-existant.  Residential mortgages are hard to get with less than 20% down, but if you have 700+ FICO, steady job over the past 5 years, and 20-25% down then you can get 4.5% on a 30-yr fixed. 

I want to borrow for my business but not at double-digit rates.  Go back to the SBA-backed loan days of 5% and I'll be the first to line up.  Double the interest means nearly 50% higher monthly payments.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 22:56 | 1597990 JohnG
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"Residential mortgages are hard to get with less than 20% down, but if you have 700+ FICO, steady job over the past 5 years, and 20-25% down then you can get 4.5% on a 30-yr fixed. "

Which is why housing is dead, dead, dead.


I get those same offers, preapproved just transfer your balance......bah! Two or three a day.  I don't carry a balance and they should see that.


Just need short term, really a bridge loan for a year.  Hard to get.  Banks do not want to lend.  No shortage of borrowers, just no lending.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 23:34 | 1598067 TruthInSunshine
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"Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."

--John Maynard Keynes;  

The Economic Consequences of the Peace


John Maynard Keynes just yelled out that The Bernank is a moron, from his stately grave.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:16 | 1598483 Bob Paulson
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The Bernank doesn't play for our team. He plays for the opposition.

We are the enemy.

Keynes is calling The Bernank a genius.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 18:49 | 1601958 ZeroAffect
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Residential mortgages are hard to get with less than 20% down

Uhmmmm....you might need to know the following facts:

USDA RURAL Development residential loans: $100 Earnest Money - 100% financing - Seller is allowed to pay up to 6% of the buyer's closing costs and pre-paids. Happens with alarming regularity, i.e., many, many times every business day and here's the kicker - one can purchase a house on a city lot. It does not need to be rural residential property. These can be obtained for suburban type residential housing on small lots, real small lots.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:43 | 1597783 firefighter302
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I agree, midtown.

Previously, 5% down (at my bank) and appraisals were a formality.

The recent land purchase I made, most banks were not even interested. The local bank I used required 25% down, several appraisals and a written balance sheet of our monthy income/debt to meet their "standards" of available income. And it was a struggle to eventually get the bank to post bi-weekly payments, instead of monthly.

Relaxed was not the case in my case, at all.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:56 | 1597824 JohnG
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Exactly.  I've had simlar experience.  Bought land adjacent to my property 1 year ago.  Had to almost beg them on my knees when it was a no brainer from my point of view.  I just wanted the trees, and they were wanting a contract for the harvest BEFORE I owned the land and could contract it.  It's a tree farm, simplest business there is imho, just let the trees grow.  It was a real mess to get through that.  Not sure 'll do it again unless I can buy in cash.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:14 | 1597672 Shirley Wilfahrt
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Like pushing a string up a cat's ass....



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:26 | 1597729 zorba THE GREEK
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Actually, if you wet the string and then freeze it, it becomes an easy task.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:33 | 1597748 Shirley Wilfahrt
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Freeze the cat??

That's cruel man.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:34 | 1597751 rosiescenario
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....and be sure to astroglide it, too....for the cat's sake.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:51 | 1597806 NumNutt
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LOL! ...ew.....hope your cat is declawed, or you are going to need stitches after that experience!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 23:15 | 1598040 oldman
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Hey Shirley,

Please back off on the cats jokes-----my best friends are cats and we are very sensitive creatures    thanks   om

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:10 | 1598125 Shirley Wilfahrt
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You "Fight Club" boys are some straight pussies sometimes....

It's not a "joke". It's a fucking allegory you simple fuck.

QE = string

cat = USA economy

dumbfuck pushing the string = Bernanke

Tell your cats I said WOOF.



Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:38 | 1598281 Cliff Claven Cheers
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Surely those are some crazy eyes.

Fri, 08/26/2011 - 15:07 | 1605183 oldman
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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:14 | 1597674 Frank N. Beans
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it's broke, man

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:16 | 1597682 Kali
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What can he say?  They've already told us the economy is gonna be shit for at least 2 more years by extending ZIRP to 2013.  Nothing that comes out of BB's pie hole is gonna change that.  FUBAR.  Kaboom.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:39 | 1597771 indygo55
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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:57 | 1597826 spiral_eyes
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qe3 very bullish for gold
no qe3 very bullish for gold
op twist 2 very bullish for gold
world war 3 very bullish for gold
new world order very bullish for gold
ron paul elected president very bullish for gold

gold — the anti dow, bitchez!



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:39 | 1597772 indygo55
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Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:55 | 1597890 DormRoom
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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:17 | 1597692 navy62802
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Free market? What free market? BTW - Do Keynesians actually consider themselves to be Capitalists? Just wondering.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:19 | 1597698 magpie
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If the State can be the only capitalist.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:25 | 1597724 Dick Fitz
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Worse- Keynesians consider themselves the saviors of capitalism, when the opposite is truth. Orwell has nothing on the US, circa 2011.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:18 | 1597695 WonderDawg
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I don't think it matters how much they relax the lending standards, the ones who would borrow are saturated in debt already. In order to lend, you need able borrowers, and they've already been tapped to the max. No way around it, over it, or out of it. Debt saturation has been reached.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:36 | 1597759 zorba THE GREEK
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I have talked to some people with good credit who tried to borrow

money to expand their business, and they were all basically told

they had to prove they didn't need the money to even have a chance

at getting it. One guy offered to give his bank enough gold bullion

to hold to cover the loan and was still turned down. Finally the bank

offered to lend him the money at 8.5%. I don't see loan standards

falling, quite the contrary, especially for smaller businesses.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:21 | 1598114 TruthInSunshine
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It depends.

The game (literally, as in it's a game) now is FHA mortgages, still available to anyone with a pulse.

What do I mean by a pulse?

Well, if one has a 580 credit score or better, they can buy a home with a mere 3.5% down, and the FHA (aka Government) backs the loan, insuring the lender originating the loan and also subsequent purchasers of the note against any losses.

And if one has a 500 credit score or better, the FHA will STILL guarantee the loan, but the only additional requirment of the borrower is that 5%, rather than 3.5%, be put down.

This information is all published on FHA's website.


So, we all can see how government is STILL the problem, I hope.

Some will say "but TIS, isn't it good that this is available, given the state of the housing market and economy?"

My reply is that no, it's not.

The core disease the U.S. has is unemployment/underemployment/wage erosion.

Having the FHA backstop mortgages, with trivial amounts down, to borrowers who are poor credit risks, only kicks the can that is our day of reckoning down the street, and makes the ultimate resolution of our mess that much more painful.

The kicker is that even with this ridiculous FHA program in place, housing sales are still anemic, and even with record low mortgage rates?

Why is that? A lack of jobs, a lack of confidence, and - yes - most can't even come up with the 3.5% or 5% down (64% of Americans can't come up with $2,000 in a 48 hour period if they had to tend to an emergency car or home repair).

Government is prolonging the problem and exacerbating the pain that will be ultimately felt when it comes crashing down, as usual.

By offering up this ridiculous FHA program, government is literally helping to hide how bad things really are, as they are acting in the role of lender, artificially and massively depressing interest rates.

Finally, most people buying homes last year under the 'first time homebuyer tax credit' were using said tax credit AS THEIR DOWN PAYMENT!!

The inflationistas would be pissed off, but it'd be far better to attack this problem through MARKET FORCES, as in letting home prices crash even more, rather than trying to prop the housing market up (without success anyways) with taxpayer monies and taxpayer funded programs.

Let prices of these houses people are buying with a 3.5% down FHA mortgage fall another 75%, and let an investor pay cash for the house and rent it out to the would have been FHA loan taker/buyer for 50% of what the mortgage payment would have been under the FHA mortgage.

The U.S. Government has gone mad. Plan accordingly.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:43 | 1598503 tarsubil
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The US government has gone mad. That almost sounds like it is a recent development.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:43 | 1600121 DrunkenMonkey
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"letting home prices crash even more, rather than trying to prop the housing market up" 


Amen to that.

Price discovery mechanisms have now left the building.

Markets need to clear, and asset prices need to fall a ways further before they'll do that.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:31 | 1598346 Debugas
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banks have no money to lend because they have lended already too much to non-paying borrowers and need to write-down now

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 08:00 | 1598585 spinone
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They have no need to lendbecause the FED pays them for keeping money on depost, instead of loaning it out. But, when they stop and the banks loan it out, look out for inflation.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:36 | 1598500 DefiantSurf
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My bank told me I needed $250k in liquidity to borrow $100k, absolutely absurd.



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:56 | 1597825 LongBalls
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Debt saturation has been reached. The outcome is the death of materialism. People not longer believe being in debt is a sustainable risk. It is now apparent to most that they better be out of debt by 40 and stashing cash for the next 15. After 55 all bets are off. The national debate has shifted from kicking the can down the road to paying the piper. From Government to kitchen table the deleveraging bell is ringing.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 23:52 | 1598097 Idiot Savant
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Debt saturation has been reached. The outcome is the death of materialism. People not longer believe being in debt is a sustainable risk.

Don't underestimate the stupidity of the American consumer, LB. There are plenty of people that will still leverage up as much as they can for iCrap and 3D tvs. Debt saturation has been reached, and that's why we're hearing more and more about debt forgiveness. I'd love to see Americans deleverage, save more and consume less, but our economy will crash if that happens. I think we'll see debt forgiveness in the near future. It's really the only option to keep the world economy out of a major depression.  

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:19 | 1598487 StychoKiller
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If they forgive the debts of deadbeats, they better look forward to forgiving EVERYONE's debts!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 07:56 | 1598575 spinone
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Yep, and when you debt saturate a fractional reserve currency, its broke.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:20 | 1597701 Fiat2Zero
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Dr. Nouriel "I have a PHD and you don't so STFU" Roubini.

BS == Bullshit
MS == More Shit (I stopped here)
PhD == Piled Higher and Deeper.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:26 | 1597728 Marcuz Aurelius
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Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:26 | 1597730 Long-John-Silver
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PhD's spend their entire existence shielded behind college walls, knowing nothing of the real world on the other side.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:58 | 1597828 LongBalls
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Those who can't, teach.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 23:11 | 1598027 Kali
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And those who can't teach, work for the government

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:46 | 1598505 tarsubil
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I have a piled higher and deeper and I work for the government. Spend my day on zerohedge. Isn't the world grand?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 22:01 | 1597838 Variance Doc
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Careful with your hasty generalizations, especially with Ivy League ones....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:51 | 1598508 Freewheelin Franklin
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Robert Murphy earned a PhD from NYU in 2003. I wonder if Roubini teaching at NYU in 2003?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 21:40 | 1597773 nmewn
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PhD == Piled Higher and Deeper.


Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:10 | 1598126 DaveyJones
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So does a JD mean jammed up deeper?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:56 | 1598212 OldPhart
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JD = Just fuckin Die

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