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Charting Morgan Stanley's $60 Billion Crushing Of IPO Animal Spirits

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Last Friday we presented the dismal performance (and major divergence with broad equity markets) of recent IPOs and reflected on what this meant for the millions of retail investors who were 'suckered' into these must-win dot-com-renaissance names. Again and again one name keeps coming up with regard to the worst-performing and most-1999-dot-com #fail-like names - Morgan Stanley. Since November of 2011, Morgan Stanley has 'successfully' brought three of the biggest disasters of Silicon Valley to market - GRPN, ZNGA, and of course, most recently, FB. What is stunning is that since the GRPN IPO on 11/3/11, investors in these three 'new' normal names have lost an incredible $58 billion in market cap with GRPN and ZNGA now down 70% from their IPO price and FB down 44%. Perhaps more intriguing is that IPOs keep coming as there appears to be a 'muppet' born every day.

The performance of Morgan Stanley's Big-3 IPOs post-launch...


and the retail-investor animal-spirit-crushing reality of a $60 Billion suck out...


Source: Bloomberg


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Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment pods
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Maybe we need MS to IPO inflation?


Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Qudos to MS - sheep are to be slaughtered!

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment max2205
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Transfer of wealth

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment aint no fortuna...
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Its a village of muppets

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Jay Gould Esq.
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Is it, though ?

Is it the "retail sucker" who buys into the opening day hype, or banks of trading computers, working in algorithmic sequence ? To wit: MANU's introduction. How could "retail" trading patterns explain what was, in essence, a 31.8 million share perfectly straight-line opening day price pattern ?

Indeed, the muppets have wisened, and have employed what can only be called the "Oscar the Grouch" garbage can/"bunker" strategy: bonds...and a crowded garbage can that trade now presents.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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You got that right, Jay. The 'millions of retail investors' have been fleeing the market/casino for three years now. Of course there were some retail investors jumping in with their 401Ks to get 'in on' the hot internet IPOs (shades of the 90's); but is was almost certainly institutional algos jumping on these puppies, because they are most of what's left. Hopefully, many of the individuals that got burned are first-time new investors, and will have learned just WHY so many individuals have left the so-called market these past few years.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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$20 should continue to act as solid support. Although FB's earning were dissapointing, it's worth noting that revenue beat expectations, and it's only a matter of time before Facebook's senior management improve margins and start turning a healthy profit. 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Clueless Economist
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Your grandkids are going to refer to you as dumbass Grandpa MDB

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Are'nt trolls are sterile?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment CIABS
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MillionDollarBonus_:  There's only one "s" in "disappointing".

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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still dollar cost averaging?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment GMan_
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were you dropped as a child?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment tabasco71
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Thats surely a rather long investment timeframe...

Might it not be possible for some other asset categories to produce returns during the time that investments in FB sit underwater ?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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We'll see on thursday when 268M shares hit the market how much "support" there is at $20.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Abraxas
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The chart looks like my junior stocks performance (damn you KWN). I'm glad I'm not the only one loosing it (money).

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment CIABS
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That'll teach you to invest based on KWN.

I'd like to hear an audio competition in which entrants do their best over-the-top imitation of Eric King saying "Eeeeeeeeegoonnnn Vonnnnn Greeeeeeyeerrrttzzz".

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment resurger
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You chose Facebook stock, and press "BUY"


A commercial on CNBC not long time ago...

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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Was that for a TD America trade through PFG?  Might as well just dip your money in the toilet and flush. 

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Insiders did well and isn't that what really matters?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment resurger
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We tell the muppets it is a ponzi bull, they say we will milk it!

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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"Muppet Sodomology 101" is now being offered in the Fall semester to all third year business admin students.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:13 | Link to Comment Zola
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Notice the always present manipulation at the start to skewer the shorts before the tanking gets unleashed...

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment vbone
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pump and dump bros! what they say?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment realtick
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Great charts - no bubbles or arrows!

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:15 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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I'm certain the SEC is building a strong case at this very moment...whoops, it all just accidently fell into the shredder.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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They had a pretty strong case then MS turned around and bought  them all a subscription to the midget tranny porn sites so the SEC "lost" the case.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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they need to ipo a company with ticker symbol SHIT and see how much stock they can sell

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Omen IV
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Morgan Stanley is a "reputable" professional firm with substantial IPO experience that knows what they are doing

im sure it will all work out for the best!

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Jason T
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yet this year, there are no occupy wall street protests... 

I guess the protestors can't afford the gas to get to NY

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment fuu
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Plus there are no places left to camp that will not result in clubs to the face.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment Christoph830
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Protests are cyclical and tied to inflation.  Give it a few more months, they'll be back in full force.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment ar01
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No joke: these days they drive around in vans in Manhattan flashing lights on buildings that say "99%"

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 19:01 | Link to Comment BotMightFly
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 Stop watching lame stream propoganda, even Today several occupy protests are in progress as I write.  Note: the foreign press is able to report more.  Apparently, it's harder to hand them money envelopes without a wire being obvious to HS and they are not so owned and operated.


Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment adr
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I hope the author isn't trying to make the case that IPOs are supposed to make retail investors money.

Every IPO of the past four years has been a scam to make well connected insiders and the "founders" of each company a boatload of money by transferred wealth.

The majority of the corporations don't actually have any real profit. Most are hundreds of millions or even billions in debt. Money spent to market the IPO. A company will spend more than ten times actual revenue on advertising to hype the company. The hope is the more the logo is seen, the higher their valuation will go.

The books are massively cooked, like Groupon, but nobody cares unless there is a major issue that outs the CEO for some past crime. The company gets hyped, and a company with no profit can get a multi-billion dollar valuation making every internal shareholder extremely wealthy on paper.

IPO wealth transfer day comes and the scam artists cash out. Nothing that resembles actual business need ever happen to make those running the corporation wealthy.

We thought peak fraud happened in 1999. I think I would invest in over anything today.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment Catullus
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It's really more of a massive transfer of wealth more than anything. Again, you're better off playing blackjack or craps with half your money and buying PMs with the other half.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment DOT
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Morgan Fukin Stanley a leader in financial innovation.

Last Spring they changed the stated goal for their MM accounts :

paraphrasing>>>>>  'try to hold the value (Ha!) of one dollar '

No gains, losses undoubtably on the way for those that stay.

Who reads all that crap anyway?

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment haskelslocal
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IPO's are fine as long as they're priced right. ZNGA, GRPN and FB were Obviously primed with hope to suck the turnip as early as possible.

It exsposes a fundamental flaw with the proverbial "Moral Hazzard" of the inner workings that demonstrate all parties invloved want their scratch up front and will risk all reputation and futurre opportunity to get it. (If Morgan doesn't offer it someonelse will. If Zuck makes a billion so should we. etc.) Cracks in the system that show.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment Meesohaawnee
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milliondollar -bone head..aka robotrader

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 11:08 | Link to Comment ATG
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"on a gray dawn in Washington, the following

colloquy occurred before a committee of the United States


Senator Couzens. Did Goldman, Sachs and Company organize the

Goldman Sachs Trading Corporation?

Mr. Sachs. Yes, sir.

Senator Couzens. And it sold its stock to the public?

Mr. Sachs. A portion of it. The firm invested originally in 10 per cent

of the entire issue for the sum of $10,000,000.

Senator Couzens. And the other 90 per cent was sold to the public?

Mr. Sachs. Yes, sir.

Senator Couzens. At what price?

Mr. Sachs. At 104, (up to 222.50)

That is the old stock . . . the stock was split two for one.

Senator Couzens. And what is the the price of the stock now?

Mr. Sachs. Approximately 1 3/4.

MS currently targeting $3:

And Options Overnight currently holds SPY puts:

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Coldfire
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Moron Stanley. I'm holding my breath to see if 900 forensic accountants can be wrong....

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment Gloeschi
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$60n? That's your "legal" Madoff right there.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment nathan1234
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So when do you think Morgan Stanley will turn up in the Morgue ( of course with JPM)!



Tue, 08/14/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Ljoot
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Invert the second chart for MS's profits from the IPOs.


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