China And Iran To Bypass Dollar, Plan Oil Barter System, And A Deeper Dive Into The Iranian Oil Bourse

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Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:02 | 1487916 camoes
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Go east, bitchez

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:59 | 1488142 narapoiddyslexia
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This isn't exactly the doomsday scenario its painted to be above. If you read the FT article, the Iranians are not delerious about the trade deal with China. Here is what one Iranian official was quoted as saying, in the FT article -

“Both China and India are happy to keep Iran’s money in their banks and try to get Iran involved in barter deals to sell their junk, or give yuan and rupees instead of hard currencies,” said one Iranian former official, on condition of anonymity. Iran had not yet accepted the alternatives, he added."

So the deal does not appear to even be done, yet. And even if it is, its a big disappointment for Iran. Why not get gold for oil?

'Cause no one will make that particular trade...

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:10 | 1488196 magpie
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Like that "sell their junk" bit.

Commodity exporters hold the cards for the rest of the century, i'm afraid.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:15 | 1488220 TaxSlave
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In which the traders re-discover that money evolved to overcome the inconvenience of barter.

Only the inconvenience of paper money could be more inconvenient than barter.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:21 | 1488256 AldousHuxley
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Pirates and Emperors (from SchoolHouse Rock makers of How a Bill becomes a law)

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:24 | 1488277 magpie
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Yes, but only depending on bilateral deals gets you into the poor house, a point even the Iranians understand.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 18:20 | 1488756 Paladin en passant
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Correctomundo...what fool country would the Iranians trade their Chinese crap to in order to purchase goods their people actually want and can afford?  China's already sold that same crap to Iran's potential buyers.  I smell desperation in Terhan, the desperation of those ignorant of econ 101.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:04 | 1487918 Doyle Hargraves
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We r no letting u not use our dollar.

expect our bombs to fall soon.

signed ur masters...

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:02 | 1487919 zorba THE GREEK
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I don't blame them. I have been bypassing the dollar for 11 years now using gold and silver. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:04 | 1487929 reader2010
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Beijing has fired its first shot at Uncle Sam. The WWIII has already started quietly.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:24 | 1487999 HamyWanger
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Lol, what would the Chinese do? They are - simply put - poor and weak. 

In America, we have a very high-IQ (120+) and healthy population, solid principles and motivations, an incredibly strong economy (despite what all the doomers say), and high-grade equipment and technology. 

WWIII, if it happens, will only result in the complete annihilation of the Yellows.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:28 | 1488026 Lord Welligton
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Must do better Hamy.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:42 | 1488081 trampstamp
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All in due time Lord.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:35 | 1488042 Bastiat
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"we have a very high-IQ (120+) and healthy population"


. . .and all the children are above average.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:38 | 1488061 Kali
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Above average in obesity.  What is the military rejecting due to obesity again?  35%.  Don't even get me started on IQ.  American Exceptionalism?  Exceptionally stupid.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:39 | 1488065 infinity8
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Hahahahhahaa. . . yes! and they can all be whatever they want. . . brain surgeon, reality TV star - dare to dream brilliant babies!

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:43 | 1491136 Doyle Hargraves
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Yeah anything they want, BWAHAHAHAHA


Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:39 | 1488066 francis_sawyer
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recalculating... recalculating...

IQ now 119.9 (after that comment)...


Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:43 | 1488082 malikai
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Glad to see you back Hamy. Don't worry, they'll figure out how to junk you soon enough.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:50 | 1488102 IAmNotMark
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"solid principles and motivations"

I used to think that but I look at the crooks and shysters that are running and ruining our country and I no longer believe that is true. 

I think that almost every U.S. politician today would sell their mother, destroy the constitution, kill a million Iraqis, kill a billion asians...all to get re-elected.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:07 | 1488183 cosmictrainwreck
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Hamy....muh Maaan! where you been?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 17:17 | 1488486 SheepDog-One
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LOL Hamy good one! So funny.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 17:31 | 1488552 reader2010
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Mon, 07/25/2011 - 00:00 | 1489703 Dugald
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  • What the hell are you smoking cobber?....
Mon, 07/25/2011 - 02:01 | 1489849 Lord Koos
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Hamy, let us know when you come down from the crack you've been smoking.  

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:44 | 1490665 matrix2012
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just woke up from a long hibernation :D duh world, so chaotic it's now... better get back to a long sleep again :)




Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:55 | 1488129 Djirk
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I think the dollar issue is secondary, this is China saying fuck your embargoes, we are going to trade and support Iran. US driving global policy is now officially over.

The US embargoes on Iran are like swiss cheese, over 10,000 special permits have been issued to US companies to do biz there. Biggest US export to Iran is tobacco, chemical warfare.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:18 | 1488237 Hearst
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"And who will follow China next?"  Definetely Russia..

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:38 | 1488331 Djirk
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senor Chavez too

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:04 | 1487930 Cognitive Dissonance
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20 years from today this span of time, from 2007 to 2017 will be seen as the time when America came apart at the seams. And not quietly either.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:27 | 1488021 Landrew
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CD, I believe this decade of 07/17 will be noted as well. The global connected failures being propped up killing one of the most important cores of capitalism (failed business fails) will be the number one topic of economic classes and the primary driver in the creation of a different type of economic system based on something like thermodynamics.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:37 | 1488053 RockyRacoon
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You are wise enough, CD, for me to trust your opinion.

I'm preparing accordingly.

As for the upcoming debt ceiling default, bring that sucker on.

Per Ron Paul's comment in the article:  We've defaulted 3 times in the past.

One more might be the charm?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:05 | 1487933 DeadFred
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China is poised and in need of making a big power play. This could be part of it. Don't bet much based on the assumption China won't want to alienate the US.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 18:22 | 1488765 New_Meat
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Dead: you bet that PRC is "poised and in need".  But consider TPMB

- Ned

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:06 | 1487936 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, big big news.  Iraq tried this and was invaded.  Will the same fate hold for Iran?  Who knows?  Not good news for the dollar as you so eloquently, as usual, described.

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 17:14 | 1488472 sun tzu
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There aren't any troops left to invade Iran unless we reinstate the draft. Imagine trying to draft a bunch of inner city gangbanger to go to the desert and die. HAHAHA

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 17:41 | 1488582 irishlink
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yea . Join  the dots and we now can see why so many are concerned with an Israeli move on Iran. The USA / Israel special relationship works both ways.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 18:03 | 1488667 goldfish1
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Iran is not Iraq.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:08 | 1487939 TideFighter
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Every time I pass a WalMart, I bi-pass China. My curiousity about what the markets are going to do tonight is killin' me. I snicker and think many ZH's are in the same boat. ZH is a great place to go when a storm is about to hit; best weather reports anywhere. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:44 | 1488084 trampstamp
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Not sure if you all have noticed, but Wamlart is starting to cary US made products. I guess underwear and socks is a start.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:48 | 1488096 delacroix
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food too

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:48 | 1488097 francis_sawyer
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I'm guessing 'depends' would help their ebitda more...

Short WAL-MART...

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 17:16 | 1488480 sun tzu
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How about Target and Best Buy? Everything is made in China.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:10 | 1487949 ciscokid
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He who holds the biggest stick rules.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:13 | 1487957 snowball777
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Only if he can swing it.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:11 | 1487950 HungrySeagull
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We have our Artic/Canada Resources along with Shale in the middle of the USA as well as Coastal.

Iran is not going to be allowed to enrich at our expense. Russia will do well to reposition to become a major supplier to Europe off HER Artic resources.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:24 | 1488002 anonnn
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And then there's Denmark...Who knows what magnitudes of  resources lay under the Greenland ice?

At some point, exploration becomes feasible, folowed by development. Technology and desperation will combine at some point , probably as the desire to survive exposes the limits of profit-motive.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:37 | 1488054 Negro Primero
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...don't worry!






Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:42 | 1488078 HungrySeagull
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I am well aware of the USSR Ambition to take the entire top of the artic.

We might have to fight Russia for it someday.

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