China Boldly Goes (Again) Where Moody's Has Never Gone Before, Downgrades US From A+ To A, Outlook Negative

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As was predicted last week, China's rating agency Dagong, unlike its worthless western counterparts, has come through on its threat to downgrade the US in the event a subpar debt ceiling deal was hammered out. As Xinhua reports, 'Dagong Global Credit Rating Co. said Wednesday it has cut the credit rating of the United States from A+ to A with a negative outlook after the U.S. federal government announced that the country's debt limit would be increased." Confirming that not being branded a NRSRO is the only thing that allows a rater to still think straight (and not in terms of lost client revenue if one goes ahead and tells the truth), Dagong's decision was spot on: "The decision to lift the debt ceiling will not change the fact that the U.S. national debt growth has outpaced that of its overall economy and fiscal revenue, which will lead to a decline in its debt-paying ability, said Dagong Global in a statement." So while Moody's, which is now certified as the laughing stock of the sheep herd (sorry Mark Zandi, you will never be promoted to anything in this administration - we promise you), pretend that all is well and that the only thing better than $14.3 trillion in debt is $16.8 trillion, China demonstrates what happens when a rating agency actually knows how to do addition and/or long division.

And just to make sure that China's intentions are (once again) very clear, the PBOC earlier said that is will continue diversifying its reserve assets and will “closely observe” the implementation of U.S. debt-limit agreement, welcoming the law as ensuring the market functions effectively and investing in Treasuries as safe. The odd sentence out was this: "China will also try to strengthen risk management and minimize effect of fluctuations in global financial markets on its economy." Is the PBOC in the process of implementing a MOVE vol threshold for its bond holdings? It would be interesting if China's dumping of Treasurys is directly proportional to the amount of HFT algos trading them. Then again, that is one sure way of eliminating the high frequency parasites from any market once and for all...

From Xinhua:

The U.S. House of Representatives on Monday approved legislation to raise the U.S. debt limit by at least 2.1 trillion U.S. dollars and cut federal spending by 2.4 trillion U.S. dollars, one day before a threatened default.


The downgrade is a result of fights between U.S. political parties over debt issues, which reflects the government's inability to completely solve the debt problem, said Dagong Global.


The interests of the country's creditors are short of systematic protection both politically and economically, said the agency.


China is by far the largest holder of U.S. debt, with holdings amounting to 1.15 trillion U.S. dollars as of the end of April.


Dagong announced last month that it had put the U.S. credit rating on negative watch for a possible downgrade on expectations of a long-term economic recession in the world's largest economy, partially caused by its economic governance and policies.


Dagong downgraded the U.S. rating from AA to A+ in November of last year after the U.S. government announced a second round of quantitative easing.


The agency said the approval to raise the debt ceiling indicated that there will not be any positive changes in factors that will influence the country's debt-paying ability in the long run.

And elsewhere, from the PBOC, google translated of course.

People's Bank of China Governor Zhou Xiaochuan accept the "Financial Times" reporter, on August 2, U.S. Congress passed the "2011 Budget Control Act," answered a reporter's question.


Governor Zhou Xiaochuan said, we note that on August 2, U.S. Congress passed the 2011 Budget Control Act, the debt ceiling increase long-term deficit reduction plan and the development progress. We welcome this. For details of the bill and phased implementation process, we will further study and close attention. In recent years, Sino-US strategic economic dialogue (S & ED) under the framework of U.S. financial officials to maintain effective communication and mutual understanding.


U.S. Treasury bond market is the world's leading investment and trading products, the U.S. Treasury market volatility and uncertainty will affect the international monetary and financial system stability, and drag the global economic recovery. We hope the U.S. government and Congress from their own and global interests, adopt responsible policy and practical measures to properly deal with debt problems, protect the safety of U.S. treasury bonds and the market run, maintaining global investor confidence, to achieve a strong consensus in the G20, sustainable and balanced growth.


From the domestic point of view, we will take effective measures to maintain stable and rapid economic growth, preserve our economic and financial security. Foreign exchange reserve management will continue to adhere to the principle of diversification, strengthen risk management, minimize volatility in international financial markets, the negative impact on me.

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nwskii's picture

Dagong Bitchez

gdogus erectus's picture

Moody Bitchez.  And we're not talking about PMS.

km4's picture

AA to A+ to A from Nov 2010 to Aug 2011.....when will see the B's

Zone1's picture

Getting cut from numba whon A+ Bond really hurts.

TwoShortPlanks's picture

Long American Mail Order Brides...yeah, flee dat US Bitchez!!!!!!

caerus's picture

this is bullish for kung pow

nonclaim's picture

Da gong tolls...

How will they rate the Chinese reserves since they are the second largest bag holder after the Fed?

caerus's picture

they won't have to...everything will be rated in terms of the renminbi...

trav7777's picture

yeah, lord knows they don't print that or have a massive NPA problem with THEIR loans..LOL

disabledvet's picture

They tried the "Double D" rating. Unfortunately...
just caused more buying. must be trying to be like our "treasury complex." i swear to God when i asked where the bond vigilantes in the USA were this was where they sent me!

Prometheus418's picture

And after a short rest, the Au/Ag mountin climbing expedition resumes.

zorba THE GREEK's picture

So in effect, China just downgraded the value of their largest holdings.Smart move.

chump666's picture

It's confusion and distraction.  China plays the rating game, they will lose. 

caerus's picture

fuck i guess there's an a in there...this is bearish for moody's...

papaswamp's picture

So I'll believe their downgrade is they stop buying treasuries and go 'Russian'. 

LongBalls's picture

No...They are going oil. The deal with Iran will be where they sink their "barter items". 

Ying-Yang's picture

Ahhh... as Jim Rodgers says "I'm in commodities... either way it swings prices will be going up. Gold, silver copper, agriculture, energy and anything that is a real asset." Seems to me if China is flush with $1.15 trillion stashed in the US they would do the same as most ZH'rs. Buy gold, guns and fast women before the bottom falls out.

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Hard1's picture

"The United States is screwed and is so we are....we should will ask to physical delivery for on our treasury certificates for the use as paper toilet. " (sic)


Zhou Xiaochuan (circa 2011)

Save_America1st's picture

that was damn hilarious...go long toilet paper...

youngman's picture

Kind of interesting actually...since they do hold so much of our paper---or so they say...I still think they have our gold held in reserve as a guarantee for buying our paper....

LongBalls's picture

No way dude. Paper is meaningless to the banks. Especially the US. All they need to do is print. Gold on the other hand!

Frankie Carbone's picture

You grossly underestimate the resiliency and tenacity of central bankers, and to your own demise.

As far as I am a aware of there is still ample tungsten and Krylon Gold Flake Spraypaint in the world.

And if that runs out then they'll wrap gold foil around Hersey bars if they have to.

Be careful of asking too much for a Gold Standard. They might put their heads together and decide that it's a good idea after all.

jdrose1985's picture

Hilarious...back to the US/THEM binary spoken of here earlier today..

piceridu's picture

You might be on to something...maybe all that paper is pledged for something of real ports, arable land, gold and silver, mines...real shit

caerus's picture

does anyone really listen to these assholes anymore?  this is bearish for the bank/rating agency clusterfuck

Juan Wild's picture



Fuckin' Aa- Bubba! I love to hear TRUTH. If its from China's mouth, so be it!

JustACitizen's picture

We should all welcome the eastern powerhouse's downgrade. Perhaps their fiat currency will appreciate against our fiat currency. Perhaps after they have sucked all of the ideas and innovations out of the various corporations they will happily go their merry way. Perhaps we will have to accept a new paradigm in which we do not throw things away. Quality was once a respectable word in marketing...


Max Hunter's picture

Perhaps after they have sucked all of the ideas and innovations out of the various corporations

I'm sorry.. I must have missed that gun pointed at the head's of American businesses that bolted over to sell the stuff back here.. I feel so sorry for them, against their will and all.. you know... just sayin..

Yes_Questions's picture



Unhappy Downgrade.

Scisco's picture

I have a question, where is the US going to get the RMB to keep funding their trade imbalance if China stops purchasing treasuries? The States would have to begin exporting something other than debt no?

caerus's picture

just go to chinatown and get yourself a checking account and a massage

Diatribe's picture

AAA, AA, A, next stop college ball

zorba THE GREEK's picture

I only gave you up vote because of hot chick wiggling boobies.

slow_roast's picture

What kind of ratings does Dagong have across Chinese municipalitles?  Curious if their sharp swords cut at home as well.

chump666's picture

They are all junk.  So once a Western rating agency returns fire it will be directly at those - Art of War in full effect.  China's crash is primed now.  The markets are going to get so chaotic, volatile and nutso gonna be fascinating.

Bolweevil's picture

Pfft! Moody's AND S&P will downgrade their asses.

Bolweevil's picture

(Don't make me bust out my Egan-Jones.)

jdrose1985's picture


And China and its subcorporations have more than ZERO credibility...exactly how?

Pay Day Today's picture

They are not $17T in hock. Or just about to be.

They hold more in foreign reserves than the US has just increased its debt ceiling by.

They have an economy which has been growing at 10% pa for the last 25 years.

Do you require more? (And I'm not underestimating all the problems they are facing, they are facing lots).

chump666's picture

jeez anyone watching the CHF v's GBP?  Doomsday baby, bear market overkill kicking in. 

Alex2245's picture

Ok one last article for you guys. This one is BIG. too much evidence to not be something!!! Please check this out


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Another listener Jim sent us three known videos of this train From You Tube and the shots from witnesses are nothing short of breathtaking. Each video shows the movement of Military vehicles not painted for desert operations, but with digital or city camouflage. The question is where are these hundreds of vehicles going and for what reason?

From No Fly Zones, to miliary train convoys in Washington, to convoys along the Tennessee/ Kentucky border, all the way to military personal in fatigues seen in white vans in Arkansas City, reports of suspicious domestic troop movements skyrocketed.

EvlTheCat's picture

They are on their way to Alabama to break the bad news that SNAP is broke.

Cathartes Aura's picture

Sabotage by an insider at a major utility facility, including a chemical or oil refinery, could provide al Qaeda with its best opportunity for the kind of massive Sept. 11 anniversary attack Osama bin Laden was planning, according to U.S. officials.

First Ever National Emergency Alert System Test Scheduled for November 9, 2011

tenth anniversary of nine eleven, FEMA (emergency government) planning a drill on 11.9.11.

good to pay attention to the multiple news stories converging of late. . .

thanks for the link Alex.

gwar5's picture



Once again, the smartest person in the room is 1.3 billion Chinese.

I knew we were in trouble when, in Spring 2009, Geithner was literally laughed off the stage at the University of Beijing by the economics students, shouting, "Where's the numbers?! Ha!  Where's the numbers?!?"