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China, Japan Tell Europe: "No Blank Check For You"

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Remember all those daily rumors (prmarily courtesy of the FT) that either China, or Japan, or Europe itself would bailout Europe (yeah, don't ask). Well we can put them all to rest...for at least a few more hours. Because in the battle of inverse counter disinformation, it is important to refute the rumors you yourself have created just so next time the same rumor is spread it has some impact.... Unfortunately said impact will be less, much less, with every single iteration, until just like central bank intervention, its impact is lost in the noise. Per Businessweek: "Officials from China and Japan, the world’s second- and third-biggest economies, indicated that their support for Europe will have limits  and the region needs to solve its own debt crisis. Japanese Finance Jun Azumi said in Washington today that while his nation can buy European Financial Stability Facility bonds if needed, there is no blank check. “At the margin we can do quite a bit to help,” Chinese central bank Deputy Governor Yi Gang said in a panel discussion yesterday at the International Monetary Fund in the same city. At the same time, “the real solution of the European sovereign debt crisis has to be done by Europeans themselves." Good luck in that whole Europeans coming up with a solution: after all it was mere hours ago that France’s Baroin said that the Eurozone is "open to support from others." Translation: "Show us the money." In other news, the countdown for the latest European bailout rumors from the FT is now on.


Group of 20 finance chiefs today pledged coordinated efforts to tackle rising risks as Greece teeters on the brink of default and stocks plunge around the world. Weak growth, high unemployment, sovereign stresses and turbulence in financial markets are “renewed challenges facing the global economy,” the officials said.

Azumi said that euro-area nations had “said that this is a euro-area problem, and that the euro-area nations should be the ones to solve the problem.” “We don’t reject that view, we respect it,” he said.


Yi Gang’s remarks came amid investors’ expectations that China may help stabilize the euro region, after Italy this month followed Spain, Portugal and Greece in seeking investment from the world’s fastest-growing major economy. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, facing calls to widen support for indebted European countries, signaled this month developed nations should cut deficits and open markets rather than rely on China to bail out the world economy.


Also this month, other Chinese officials indicated the country is prepared to offer assistance. Zhang Xiaoqiang, vice chairman of China’s top economic planning agency, said the nation is willing to buy euro bonds from countries involved in the sovereign debt crisis “within its capacity.”


In the panel discussion yesterday, Yi said his nation’s involvement could be at the country level or with the European Union, and could also extend to cooperation with the IMF.

As to why we are sometimes baffled by why everyone automatically assumes the Chinese are ultra clever:

It is unlikely that the global economy will slide into another slump, in part because “the whole world is still at a very low level” of activity, Yi said. “We have a very moderate recovery” following the financial crisis, which indicates global growth “won’t decrease too much,” he said.


“The probability of that is still rather limited,” Yi said, referring to a double-dip recession. With the right combination of policies, countries can manage the debt crisis and “we can still have moderate growth” in the global economy, he said.

Uh.... what?


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Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:08 | 1700107 Yen Cross
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 intervention  g-20 co-ordinated

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:22 | 1700123 sqz
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ZH loves pressing FT's buttons sometimes. Alphaville will be going mildly apoplectic (which is about as far as a typical Brit's upper lip can quiver) on this one! :)

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:25 | 1700127 Michael
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Dr Paul says; No Blank Check For You!

Ron Paul Highlights in 9/22/2011 Presidential Debate

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:51 | 1700160 Oh regional Indian
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WHAT in the WORLD is JAPAN doing HELPING ANYONE? Total WTF set-up.

It's own people are drowning, in every kind of literal or metaphorical way you can imagine and this shithead is talking about helping Europe? Fix your own house FIRST!

Drives me nuts. Total two world scenario, one for 99% of the populationand the other for this money mad, power hungry, pyshopathic 1%.



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Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:11 | 1700169 AnAnonymous
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They have to keep up the Ponzi.

A borrows from B. B borrows from C, showing A's debt as a guarantee. C borrows from A showing B's debt as a guarantee etc...

Who is damaged? At the exclusion of A, B and C, anyone who trade wealth against the money A, B and C have borrowed from each other.

Trouble at the moment is that the wealth to be injected and maintain the Ponzi up is growing scarcer and scarcer.

But Japan, as a main actor in the Ponzi, must keep participating if they do not want to be the gang member the other gangers are going to squeeze.

Present days show Europe as the ganger pushed under the train so that the others benefit from the free resources, that is all the wealth Europe will no longer be able to buy by going deeper and deeper into debt.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:16 | 1700172 Oh regional Indian
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"Who is damaged? At the exclusion of A, B and C, anyone who trade wealth against the money A, B and C have borrowed from each other."

Precisely AnAn, precisely. Thus the Aaargh!


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:51 | 1700192 Michael Victory
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as it unfolds...

Christine Legarde on Bloomberg "Downside Risk Is High"

risk is high.. no sh!%

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 04:33 | 1700198 falak pema
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As this recent  financial crisis number crunching at ZH by different bloggers has shown the balance sheets of every TBTF bank carries huge black holes of toxicity. RM's number crunching exercise of French PAribas could be applied to the WHOLE TBTF clique world wide.

So, if the TBTF are all cheating on their balance sheets AND at the same time seeing their MARKET capitalisation disappearing in this inevitable and ongoing meltdown, what legs do they have to stand on?

The answer is simple : Government support is the only back stop. But all governments are ALREADY hocked in first world as the current EU sovereign debt, follow up to US crash of 2008, now cleary shows.

IF THE WORLD BANKING SYSTEM HAS TO TAKE A COLLECTIVE HIT TO WRITE DOWN THEIR ASSETS BY 20%-30% IMMEDIATELY, WE  will have a paper value destruction of fiat assets of book value of 15-20 trillion USD!

That is the size of the collective current hole in the global balance sheets of the integrated banking world. 

It explains why ALL politicians are literally pooping in their pants and holding hands in total impotent dismay as the house of cards crumbles. 

Wondering who goes down first, wondering what event in what country starts the inevitable asset correction of the integrated TBTF spider's web of overblown assets is just a detail now...It feels like Sarajevo 1914...(you would say 33rd parallel play in the making!).

AS RM correctly points out the market correction of Paribas assets, as for the other two frenchies, ANTICIPATES this book value asset correction that the banks won't admit to. If its true, then the markets won't rise, instead fall, until book and market match to face the new morn of depressionary dawn.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 04:36 | 1700213 Tao 4 the Show
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This brings up an interesting point: Do the disappearing assets represent anyone's supposed wealth? Or are they only bank holdings? In other words, whose wealth disappears if these derivatives evaporate?

Presumably, they are mainly on the bank's books, and only about 2-3% of the at-risk amount belongs to a person. The reasonable thing would be for governments to back up the depositors and let the derivatives collapse on each other. The way out would be easy if the bankers didn't have the world by the short hairs.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 05:49 | 1700231 falak pema
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derivative positions when netted out mean some money market funds, some pension funds, some HFs, take a each case. Its all part of the nebulous...But they'll all go running to their buddies in government and ask for State to take on part of the ponzi write down, as socialised debts to be paid by future generations...or to not be paid at all, if governments balk, which is now imminently in the cards...leading to depression and war. 

The banksta soup is so thick and opaque I don't believe even they know how it was concocted some years ago and what the real down sides are. Try unwinding a ball of left-over spaghetti once its really intertwined from long, cold neglect in the fridge. 

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:29 | 1700257 Tao 4 the Show
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Yep - basically agree with what you are saying, and add that the opacity is keenly important to the discussion but seldom addressed because no one outside of the banks and the govt insiders have real access.

Without knowing where and how big the potential hits are, we can't evaluate proclamations like Paulson's to congress in 2008. Officialdom can paint whatever scary picture it wants on that opaque surface. We are in the undesirable position of not really knowing.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:43 | 1700271 falak pema
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consider this : off balance sheet accounting. Enuff said...

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 05:05 | 1700222 Michael
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Yes, but have you thought about this;

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Fri, 09/23/2011 - 05:30 | 1700228 falak pema
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hilarious and thanks its much better than banksta soup! Love George Constanza...

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 05:33 | 1700230 Oh regional Indian
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Falak, if you love George C, you might have a problem. Please check into TV addled Minds section of the Social Engineering Floor (Section RUFECKED) of the World Driven Mad Project on 1 Tavistock Street IMEDIATELY.

It might already be too late. ;-)


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 05:48 | 1700234 falak pema
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I'm talking about the character in the series not the man...I have nothing against any ethnic group as such. I don't know what you are referring to. 

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:58 | 1700283 Oh regional Indian
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Relax Mon, take a look at this. All shall be clear. And it's a good laugh too.


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 08:34 | 1700521 falak pema
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lol, Ori, you area true minimalist!

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 05:31 | 1700229 Oh regional Indian
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Too true Dr. Pema! Too True.

I'm still waiting to see the real popper, SPAIN, go off. Till then, I consider all this sidelights.

Because when Spain goes, it takes Europe AND South America with it.

Watch for Spain to come screaming into the headlines sometime soon. it definitely feels like it's time!


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:17 | 1700247 Snidley Whipsnae
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Rule #1 Of Standard Political Playbook

1) When things aren't going well locally, direct attention to a far away location... The Farther away the better.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 04:48 | 1700219 I think I need ...
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well i'm fully confident in Dr Bernanke he got a 1590 on his SATS so as everyone can see i sleep well at night

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:08 | 1700109 EZYJET PILOT
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He's singing from the same hymn sheet as Geithner.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:09 | 1700110 Smithovsky
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we no rikey

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:11 | 1700111 AUD
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Gold is still falling in Euros, where is this crisis? The 15 yr Bund is trading at 156, where's the crisis?

Nobody is afraid for the Euro.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:12 | 1700113 cychan4
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why the word "blank" is even needed?

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:12 | 1700114 chump666
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Oh man, China, crashing in real time and they still got that commie misinformation overhang.


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:16 | 1700119 Peter K
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They got to FOCUS on the wording. That's the ticket:)

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:44 | 1700134 Temporalist
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Translation: "Show us the money."


More like China says "Give us your gold, then we'll talk."

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:06 | 1700165 AnAnonymous
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What money? Europe, Japan, the US are insolvent. Only China might not be borrowing to keep up the Ponzi. Which is also quite irrelevant as they hold reserves in USD and Euro so nothing conserved here.

The reaction is not surprising: the insolvent countries have built a network of tangled debts to give semblance of solvency. They borrow from each other, using the debts as collateral, allowing them to consume more and more.

Trouble is that resources are not extracted fast enough for the Ponzi to keep going on. One or more big consumers have to be eliminated to free resources for the others.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:22 | 1700250 Snidley Whipsnae
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"Trouble is that resources are not extracted fast enough for the Ponzi to keep going on. "

Excellent...I will rephrase it slightly, AnAnonymous....

The fantasy of fiat/ponzi is crashing onto the very real shores of commodities.


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:22 | 1700310 BigDuke6
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Will freegold then  beckon?

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:48 | 1700368 Snidley Whipsnae
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"Will freegold then beckon?"

Too many variables, to many decisions have to be made by too many pols/central bankers.

It is enough for each of us to know that gold/PMs do not go to zero. Fiats always go to zero.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:33 | 1700139 oobrien
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Boy, the boys at zerohedge are really working overtime.

They must expect the crash is close at hand.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:36 | 1700143 Id fight Gandhi
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The last part is a head scratcher. Something lost in translation?

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:50 | 1700159 AnAnonymous
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Save trusting things to happen the same, where is the head scratcher?

The world went through a financial crisis. Moderate growth still was.

As another financial crisis is brewing, the same result is expected: moderate growth.

Growth will fall a bit but not enough to call it a double dip.


You can question the principle behind it (stuff is going to happen the same) but other than that, where is the head scratcher?

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:44 | 1700150 zebra
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No, Martians will bail all of us out as long as we give them 90% of our water resource.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:45 | 1700151 Sad Sufi
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No cash for you.


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 02:48 | 1700155 jomama
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aaaand PM's still getting faceraped.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:10 | 1700168 achmachat
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a large part of my PMs have the Queen's face on them.

Have you noticed that you can get 50 ounces of Ag for each ounce of Au right now? Don't count in fiat, but in things that are real like the ratio!

You want my honest advice? If you have Au, change parts of it into Ag while that ratio is still so ridiculously high.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:13 | 1700170 jomama
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oh trust me, i stack both.  does sting a bit considering i just loaded up on 200 oz. last week, however (yes, i am small potatoes).

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 04:06 | 1700199 Libertarians fo...
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If I were you, I'd wait until the "Cartel" knocks silver down to about $38.  According to Turd Ferguson, there is "very strong support" there.


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:25 | 1700313 CapitalistRock
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Done. 3 hours later and silver is 32.60 as I type this.

It's getting real juicey here.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:42 | 1700355 CitizenPete
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It's already been down though 38 and bouncing around waiting for a flock of black european swans to crash into a big black FED blimp that is hovering off the shores of Hong Kong ... 

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:23 | 1700176 Reptil
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That last part IS very clever; it's meant for european (EU) politicians. China (and Japan) want to buy stuff in Europe. They obviously do not have a high regard for the people in charge. Do you tell these european fuckwads that they will be selling, and losing collateral, in vain? Do you tell them that they'll just win a little time but that their efforts (of selling gold, and land and everything but the kitchen sink) will only have a temporary effect? No of course not, then they wouldn't sell to the asians at all.

What you do, is, you lie. You tell them this is really going to turn everything around. No matter if they believe you. If they (european politicians) regard you (ironically) as dumb, even better! So you lie and you tell a story about a little boy who planted some beans in his garden... one day he woke up and...

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:31 | 1700180 magpie
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Brüssels Ponzi is falling down, falling down...

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:32 | 1700181 phyuckyiu
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Someone had their Starbucks ice cream tonight. Jim Willie's been calling global QE for months now, it's finally more blatant now in an effort to steer algos.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:34 | 1700183 Tic tock
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It's a simple monetary issue - I really cannot understand what the personal attachment might be - the reserve currency has shifted to Gold, it's a fact- exactly how slow to grasp this does the city have to be  - I mean, call a spade a spade!

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:34 | 1700184 Tic tock
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It's a simple monetary issue - I really cannot understand what the personal attachment might be - the reserve currency has shifted to Gold, it's a fact- exactly how slow to grasp this does the city have to be  - I mean, call a spade a spade!

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:42 | 1700187 Steroid
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They should have learned it by now.

You start a rumor by denying it.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 03:54 | 1700194 caerus
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wow it's late...steely dan for you...hasta manana

reelin in the years

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 04:04 | 1700197 hayesy316
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This just in... Europe to be bailed out by Alpha Centauri.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 04:08 | 1700200 magpie
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Learned recently that Krugman became an economist because he was so impressed by Hari Seldon and the Galactic Empire.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 05:13 | 1700225 lolmao500
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Europe green US futures green! EVERY THING IS SOLVED! Yes yes, believe HFT.

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:10 | 1700244 disabledvet
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and? so what?

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:12 | 1700245 Mentaliusanything
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Breaking News - all is well, we will place our chairs at the low point of the tide and forbid any rise in that tide until we permit it. We understand that it was tried some time ago By a fool of a King called Canute, who knew nothing of Modern Economic Law.

First to drown is a rotten egg

 Christine Le gaude you are allowed to Jump into Warren Buffets Bathtub to prove shit does not always float

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:26 | 1700255 papaswamp
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Japan the country 200%+ debt to GDP can buy debt? I mean if this is the way, then why does debt matter? It is demographically impossible for Japan to ever pay off it's debt. It's currency is dead for all intents and purposes. It's currency should be worthless. 

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:18 | 1700264 Mentaliusanything
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Debt does NOT matter. Go to a Bank, Borrow $50,000,000 and by gumption your wealthy. $50Million wealthy

Now why did I not think of that. Economics appears to be for the people who can't Build shit

NO... I did not say BULL SHIT

When Moodies down grades 8 Greek banks a few moments ago, you would have to say Brilliance and clear thought is not a  Moody's strong point. The World is run by backward looking Fools.


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:20 | 1700272 Mentaliusanything
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Its time for my Rest so I can play another day so I will leave you with some old music

Followed by

goodnight my friends I hope I can sleep, there is a fat lady singing very loudly close by

Fri, 09/23/2011 - 06:53 | 1700277 prophet
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Things are still very low right now so the probablility of them getting lower is rather limited - still.  

I can't believe it came up tails AGAIN!


Fri, 09/23/2011 - 07:46 | 1700362 The Piker
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Fri, 09/23/2011 - 10:40 | 1701096 Iwanttoknow
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Oligarchy needs to plan a series of wars .And yes, a global pandemic.

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