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China, Russia Voice "US In Iran" Ire

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In a number of stories in China's top newspapers today, the US has been slammed for its moves to restrict Iran's oil trade which could see Chinese banks sanctioned. As The People's Daily noted, Hong Lei (a Foreign Ministry spokesperson) warned such unilateral action was not only wrong but could exacerbate the stand-off over Iran's nuclear program. Arguing that China 'imports oil based on its economic development needs' without violating relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council and undermining the third party's and international community's interests, he noted China will not accept the practice of saddling unilateral sanctions on the third country. Adding to this, China Daily notes the typical UN blah-dom of Wang Min's comments of the "more pragmatic importance to be firmly committed to dialogue and negotiations in order to properly solve the Iranian nuclear issue". While China is clearly 'disappointed' in the US efforts, Russia turns the dial to 11 with its comments that the US efforts are inflaming, as Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Tuesday, "Scientists in nearly all countries....are convinced that strikes may slow down the Iranian nuclear program. But they will never cancel it, close it down or eliminate it" warning that Iran will have no option but to develop nuclear weapons should the US strike. Well you can't please all the people all the time eh? Just ask Ben.


Strikes May Force Iran To Develop Nuclear Weapons

MOSCOW - Strikes on Iran's nuclear sites may force it to develop nuclear weapons and trigger more risks to the non-proliferation regime, Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Tuesday.


"Scientists in nearly all countries....are convinced that strikes may slow down the Iranian nuclear program. But they will never cancel it, close it down or eliminate it," Lavrov said in an interview with the radio Kommersant FM.


He warned that Iran may have no option but to develop nuclear weapons in response to the strikes.


"Even the CIA and other US agencies admit now there is no information to confirm the political decision of the Iranian administration to produce nuclear weapons. I am almost confident that such a decision will be made after strikes on Iran," Lavrov said.


"Actually, this aggressiveness creates more risks to the non-proliferation regime than strengthens it," he said.


Russia has called for the resumption of negotiations between Iran and major mediators including Russia, US, France, Britain, China and Germany.

China Legally Imports Iranian Oil

BEIJING, March 21 (Xinhua) -- China legally imports oil from Iran through normal channels in a reasonable and fair manner, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said on Wednesday.


Spokesman Hong Lei said China imports oil based on its economic development needs without violating relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council and undermining the third party's and international community's interests.


"China opposes any country implementing unilateral sanctions on the other country according to its domestic law," the spokesman said, adding that China will not accept the practice of saddling unilateral sanctions on the third country.


Hong made the remark at a daily press briefing when asked to comment on Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's announcement on Iran sanctions.


Clinton issued a statement on Tuesday saying that the U.S. will initially exempt Japan and 10 European nations from its new tough sanctions on Iran, saying these countries have "significantly" reduced their oil imports from the Islamic republic, according to reports.


Clinton said she would report to Congress that sanctions will not apply to the financial institutions in these countries for a renewable period of 180 days.


The 10 European beneficiaries are Belgium, Britain, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland and Spain.


Twelve countries including China, India and the Republic of Korea should reduce oil imports from Iran before the end of July or face sanctions, according to reports.


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Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:43 | 2281270 The Axe
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Russians cutting off the pipeline to TVIX.......crazy

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:47 | 2281282 BigMike
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What is going on there??

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:29 | 2281427 Ahmeexnal
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So what's the latest on the Chinese "internal war"?
Why isn't the MSM picking up the story?
Could it be because it's not a feud between CP high ranking members, but a crackdown on the Dragon family?
If the plaintiff does not show up at court, the case is closed and the defendant walks and can not be tried again for the same charge.
Seems like the banking mafia is getting of the hook.
Is Ben Fulford saying anything? Or has he been also mowed down by a chinese red army (from the red shield family) tank?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:20 | 2281694 12ToothAssassin
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and Iran, Iran all night and dayyyyy....

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 03:07 | 2282750 AldousHuxley
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Russian scientists helped Iran build the nuke.

China gets oil from Iran.


US s putting BRIC in their place.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:44 | 2281271 hedgetr
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i love it!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:44 | 2281272 lolmao500
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"Scientists in nearly all countries....are convinced that strikes may slow down the Iranian nuclear program. But they will never cancel it, close it down or eliminate it"

Eh... Lavrov... you missed a point... it won't be only strikes... it'll be REGIME CHANGE.

As for China, they have been saying for years that any attack on the oil flow is an attack on their development and a threat to their national sovereignty... because they know that no oil/high oil prices = massive inflation = riots = danger to regime = that can't be allowed.

Cutting oil supplies/making oil unaffordable = an act of war against China... as it was between Japan and the US in 1941.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:44 | 2281274 hedgetr
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come on... just a bit close to reality ::) it's russian (our) sense of humor

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:47 | 2281283 The Big Ching-aso
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Bombshell News:   We're one major oil disruption away from starting WWIII in earnest.  Or the last WW humanity will ever see.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:26 | 2281716 john39
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shades of WWII Japan...

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 19:35 | 2282107 Vlad Tepid
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Unfortunately for the US, China is not some high school football team. You can't run the same play twice and expect to get over on the people who wrote "The Art of War" 2000 years ago and have had 3000 years of continuous civilization.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:51 | 2281305 Getting Old Sucks
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All young men under the age of 26, report to duty to defend your country!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:07 | 2281350 dark pools of soros
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will it be viewed only in pay per view this time??  or will the bombs have sponsors?


and will it happen during the summer olympics just so you can flip back and forth?


will they set up Survivor 10 in Iran first?? Real World? Amazing Race?  lots of marketing questions need to be answered

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:14 | 2281666 my puppy for prez
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That was too good....thanks for the laugh!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:10 | 2281372 Lucius Corneliu...
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All young men under the age of 26, report to duty to defend your currency!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:21 | 2281422 Manthong
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That's good.. and a new typing class excercse:

"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their counter-party,"

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:28 | 2281449 Getting Old Sucks
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All young men under the age of 26, report to duty to defend your Masters!

Actually, I think they're in for a big surprise. 

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:32 | 2281472 Decolat
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Pretty much sums it up.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:23 | 2282199 mendigo
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That shits not funny.
I hope they are careful to train them to recognize the enemy.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:24 | 2281709 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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I'm 29...does this mean I'm safe at home then! Wooohoo less cometition for young college chicks!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 17:25 | 2281876 BlackholeDivestment
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...actually draft age is now 42. Homosexual/transgender/transhuman people are now all on the list. Legally women would now also fall into the draft too. If you don't wish to fight for the U.N.Constitutional Executive Rule of Rosemary's Baby Abortion, Benny and the 911 Jets of the Suicide Vampire Squid of the Great Wal Mart of China ...well, you will have to be a Real Christian in order to object and stand fast. In that case you are a terrorist of course and some pathetic goverment goon will use you to justifiy their paycheck against your account for life liberty freedom indepenedence and justice for all. 

My friend, if we are not now standing fast and doing no harm, we are either; a dipshit that has accepted the mark of the beast and we are still showing up to work for the black hole now, or we are sealed evil bastard trying to prolong our pathetic existance as a slave under the gun by killing the Son of Man, what we would claim to be our own image. Lol. There is no difference. 

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 19:18 | 2282075 Rick Masters
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Seriously? Name one case of a Christian being arrested for being Christian? I think you throw around the word slave far too easily but I can't tell if you are being satirical.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 03:30 | 2282650 BlackholeDivestment
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''I think'' ''but I can't tell'', lol, uh here you go ....Masters, start your revelation here then do some of your own work. It's not as if you don't have a computer right? Lol.

When you get done with that lesson (after reading the prophetic Word of our Father in Christ will help too) maybe you can foresee the case(s) at hand in the military etc... and when the Rosemary's Baby Care goes full affect etc... you think you are a free Christian and not a slave ...because you accept the mark of the beast, Masters? Lol. What are you legally buying selling and trading with again? Oh yeah, some paper with the name of a man  that represented the Office of the President on it, and you got this paper with a serial number on it because of your name and number given to you on behalf of the debt held against you by your ...umm Masters? LMAO You know the time of sealing is at hand my friend?  ...and you are a vapor away from the black hole? 

We should all be in jail or dead at this point ...if you really thought about the Contempt this country has for the mercy of our Father in Christ. The spirit of our Constitution rests with the people and they are overcome with lukewarm hearts, compartmentalized and socialized worldly brains that can't see or discern the season, or even recognize the light of life freedom liberty independence and justice for all. THATS WHY THEY DID NOT VOTE FOR RON PAUL LAST TIME! They bought into what Rosemary's Baby and the Two Party Suicide Vampire Squid of the Great Wal Mart of China sold them. That was an offer of temptation. Who could say this generation is not in the valley of decision and upon the event horizon of tribulation, as defined by the prophetic Word of God in Christ? I'll tell you, people that are fallen.

Time to rise up in agreement with The Master of Mercy.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:55 | 2282265 azzhatter
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are the taking rottweilers and german shepherds?

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 03:59 | 2282762 BlackholeDivestment
Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:03 | 2281344 sampo
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But but, China has the revaluation option just for these kinds of events.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:46 | 2281278 sablya
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The US is going to be bitch-slapped by China and lose face.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:01 | 2281956 taxpayer102
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Does the U.S. government have a Plan B ?   What plan does the Obama administration, its warmongering members of Congress and all government agencies reliant on computers either made in China or assembled with majority parts made in China, have if China stops delivery of new or replacement computers and computer parts/components.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:30 | 2282004 Ceteris paribus
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China makes the guidante systems for 95% of all our smart bombs as we do not have the rare earth metals for them sooooooooo! its a no brainer.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:48 | 2281284 El
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All China has to do is dump our debt, or simply refuse to buy more of it. Game over.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:55 | 2281318 mc_LDN
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Which the US realises and hence the new national security orders from Obama. Looks like Obama & Co have already planned to go the distance

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:43 | 2281518 spartan117
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It'll be a wave of inflation like a tsunami hitting America.  The price of food, energy, medicine, and other consumer staples will sky rocket overnight. 

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:05 | 2281613 Winston Churchill
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Just preferable to the wave of radiation.

That might come from this game of chicken anyway, if this drags on long enough

for the Chinese and Russia to be ready.They are getting rid of those US $ by

buying war materiel and stockpiling.

Delaying this war past Obmneys election, is going to get us all irradiated.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:50 | 2282254 Rynak
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The only thing that is going to get us irradiated, is megalomaniacs like you.

Granted, it's not as if there is a lack of abundance of them, among the current "decisionmakers", so please don't take this personal... you're just one like them, but with less influence.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:56 | 2281320 kridkrid
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Why? Game over for whom?

The game is already over, perhaps.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:08 | 2281367 dark pools of soros
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exactly - who says what the value of anything is?  big bombs get big votes

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:02 | 2281339 Debeachesand Je...
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Yeah but, Who is going to buy all that debt?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:08 | 2281362 SemperFord
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Not really, The Fed will buy it ;) as they buy it all and their books cant be opened!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:10 | 2281373 dark pools of soros
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yeah they've pretty much been playing the game on cheat mode for the last few years

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:35 | 2281488 kridkrid
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Yup. And the game ends the same way no matter how much cheating is done to extend said game. And it is not like China hasn't been cheating and benefiting from the cheating all along. No, we all get to crash together and fight a bloody war for the new world order (not capitalized... Whatever the next thing is new world order, not the Jesuits or Jews or whatever NWO).

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:50 | 2281549 Koffieshop
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The Fed may absorb the Treasuries, but they will have to instantly create trillions of Dollars to do that.
China can then proceed to release those trillions into the market instantly, buying any commodities, PM's or currencies they see fit.
What will Ben do then?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:32 | 2282007 Ceteris paribus
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Good try but America would freeze the accounts so they could not dump the bonds .

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 19:28 | 2282093 Rick Masters
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China will neither dump its holdings, nor refuse to buy more for the foreseeable future. If it did that, who would buy their junk as the US is the largest purchaser of Chinese exports? Also, what would it have to gain from starting such an adversarial relationship? Well, we already have a semi-adversarial relationship but that would put things on full blast. I don't really think they want a hot war or a cold war as I can't see what they have to gain from it as they'll gain hegemony over East Asia over time. You probably hear about all this hyperbolic reactions from China cause they want to sound bigger than they are but the fact is for right now and for the next decade China isn't doing anything to us, nor can they even if they wanted to (their only option is dumping the debt, which is suicide for them and for us, well, good ole Uncle Ben will just buy it. It will probably be horrific for us, but that's not certain but it will be suicide for them. It ain't happening. The only thing you will see is them incrementally not buying as many T-bills.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 19:55 | 2282136 CompassionateFascist
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Historically, "rational behavior" calculi vis a vis State behavior have been proven wrong again and again.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:18 | 2282183 Rick Masters
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And I could very well be wrong. But I think things are going to be a lot more boring than you would think vis a vis our relationship with China. But who knows with that whole coup thing going on over there, right? Who knows what will happen if there actually is a coup...would it become a military dictatorship? That's plenty scary.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:59 | 2282273 azzhatter
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Chinese are pragmatic but that "face" thing gets in the way sometimes.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 22:10 | 2282399 Rick Masters
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That's certainly the wild card going forward with them. Also, they just got a taste of saying NO to the USA on the Syria resolution at the UN so it could be they like'd the way it felt and are going to be doing it more often. I think if things get hot though they'll go the route of stifling access for the USA on rare earths more than dumping T-bills. I think they'll approach anything having to do with their bond holdings extremely rationally cause going about it in any other way will be the great leap backwards.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:51 | 2281293 GeneMarchbanks
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The heat is on, no doubt. But now, we are going to see the 'negotiations' get more intense since the interests are no longer even close to similar.

Putin will lead the way with requests starting with Syria.


Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:50 | 2281297 kito
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well, i am glad this is all going smoothly...............

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:05 | 2281351 Lucius Corneliu...
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Its great seeing Hillary all worked up.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:33 | 2281754's picture

Better to let sleeping dogs lie.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 21:00 | 2282276 azzhatter
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When do you think it was the last time she got boned?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:09 | 2281366 i-dog
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LOL ... and coffee spit...

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:18 | 2282187 mendigo
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Is it just me or does it seem that this administration is making a mess of our foreign affairs - they seem arrogant beyond their competence.
I think Obama kind of owns Iraq and Afganistan. However the so called parties are colluding to insure you have no real choice. I hope Pauls on the ballot so I don't have to vote communist party.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:21 | 2282194 Rick Masters
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Isn't Iraq pretty much over? He owns it if things go way bad and we have to go back but I doubt things get that bad that we would have to go back in. The country would have to be on the verge of total collpase and even then...

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:29 | 2282213 mendigo
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Yeah your right, things are going OK in Iraq.
Read much?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 22:31 | 2282404 Rick Masters
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I meant in terms of US involvement with Iraq, as in active combat operations, which are over. But, yeah, I do read much and Iraq is far from okay but they are doing better right now than anytime since the invasion, so I don't know what you're referring to. Iraq has been on the mend for awhile and thought it was common knowledge. I think that will be a bright  spot on Bush's legacy going forward, if Iraq continues to not destroy itself. (how shiney any bright spot will be for Bush vis a vis Iraq is an open question. I think Iraq will have to really shine as a democracy in the Middle East for him to get a lot of kudos on it). But, in any event, Obama will never fully own Iraq in our history books or in the popular imagination. For the most part when people think Iraq they will think Pres. Bush, and that's  what he wanted. And its looking ok.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:51 | 2281301 fonzannoon
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Look at thie tvix...breath taking. Really installs trust in the system.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:53 | 2281306 Amagnonx
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Im sure there are senior Chinese party members who know who is fanning the anti Iranian propaganda - it may be a vain hope, but it would be nice to entertain the idea that they may be able to blow the crap out of the next Bilderberger meeting, and top it off with assassinations of Bush's, Clintons, Rockerfellers and Rothschilds etc.

It would be a nice change of pace if some of the scum got some blowback.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:54 | 2281311 mc_LDN
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Shot across the Bow of the US there from China. Thats called pushing back.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:04 | 2281604 pods
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Well this is the second shot across the bow.

The first was that non-missile that was launched from LA harbor.  The one that turned into a jet after they realized the gravity of the public knowing a chinese sub launched a missile from casting distance of LA.


Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:10 | 2281641 my puppy for prez
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When was that?  Exact date?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:27 | 2281722 pods
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Original video was pretty compelling.  Any video found now will be a snippet (my guess) and will go along with the airliner from Hawaii to arizona excuse.



Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:25 | 2281710 kridkrid
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I mentioned that just yesterday. What a fantastic story, the jet over-up.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:29 | 2281735 pods
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I remember watching that the night it happened (I'm east coast).  Video was crazy, and people were linking to a website a day or two later showing the plane path from Hawaii to AZ.  Not the same course at all.

Sure looked like a rocket to me.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 17:04 | 2281828 Citxmech
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Calling that missile trail a jet contrail was just about as stupid as that Norwegian "Spiral" thing being a malfunctioning "rocket" - sure.

(I still want to know wtf that spiral really was)

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:35 | 2282011 Ceteris paribus
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I lived in Venice then and it was a ICBM without a doubt.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:55 | 2281314 swissaustrian
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Sanctions only mean cheaper Iranian oil for China/India as Western customers leave the market. Less competition on the demand side, bitchez!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:31 | 2281466 RafterManFMJ
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Isn't it swell Amerika's floundering BS games provide Asians with cheap oil, and cheap gold/silver? I mean really - our fiat masters drive the prices of what is real, lower and lower, and the Asians scoop them up. My how they must laugh.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 14:58 | 2281323 the not so migh...
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Sad, I am actually agreeing with China and Russia

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:01 | 2281335 kito
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Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:25 | 2281717 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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not only agreeing, willing them on

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:00 | 2281330 mark mchugh
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US sanctions against China?


Stop it Hillary, you're killing me!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:33 | 2281474 RafterManFMJ
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Uh oh! Sactions on China? I'm off to stock up on plastic crap. Maybe some more of those pink lawn flamingoes.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:45 | 2281520 e-recep
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you have no idea what else is made in china. china can dump us treasuries but usa cannot give up chinese-made goods. at least not in the short run.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 17:03 | 2281827 RafterManFMJ
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The USA cannot, but I sure as hell can.  I can quit the iphone - can you?  My food is grown out back or shot in the woods;  your comment really makes no sense. At all.  We cannot give up Chinese goods? Really?? Name me some Chinese goods that are US economy CRITICAL that cannot be sourced from Europe, or domestically?  Rare Earths? But that isn't a good, rather a resource.

And can the Chinese threaten us with a boycott? An export-driven merchantilist society with vast population pressures and a ruling oligarchy deathly afraid of social unrest? Really?

As far as China dumping UST - I think they have been by letting them mature and not replacing them. And good for them for doing that. I raise a glass to the Chinese, who are better capitalists than we.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:19 | 2281984 Savyindallas
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but we don't need Chinese junk or any of that stuff that they sell at Walmart. Like light bulbs. Granted we no longer know how to make light bulbs. But who needs lightbulbs? Candles Are perfectly fine. I enjoy the candlelight dinner. I love reading about How Abe Lincoln used to sit around the candlelight reading books in his log cabin. We could all revert back and do Things the Way Abe did. Honest Abe. If he did Not need lightbulbs, God dammit, Neither do we.bring on the candles. We don't need no god damn Chinese junk. or bring on flashlights. Hold on, wait a minute. I forgot. We don't make flashlights either. I guess we'll have to live with candles.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:44 | 2282238 Rick Masters
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It would take all of five seconds for us to start producing lightbulbs again. But in any event, prepare to be happy, we still make lightbulbs, just not incandescent bulbs. I bet I just ruined a good schtick for you that you tell people around the bar or wherever about how we don't make lightbulbs, when, in fact, we do. Sorry.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:26 | 2281985 Savyindallas
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Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:01 | 2281334 unionbroker
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interesting that  Iran neighbours Russia China India  seemingly have no fear of a nuclear Iran

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 22:33 | 2282435 pvzh
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That is simple. Because these countries does not try to take Iranian oil by force, so nukes that are needed to protect Iranian oil are no threat to them.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:01 | 2281336 prains
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somebody please announce the end game of all this, i need to know how deep to build the bunker.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:05 | 2281352 wretch
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Six feet deep.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:42 | 2282021 Ceteris paribus
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For 9000 rads you need to go an absolute minimum of 8 feet allthough 20 feet you would be laughing.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:14 | 2281397 Schmuck Raker
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The key is to get started sooner rather than later.

Here's a photo of an excellent design that should suit most folks' needs:

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:35 | 2281487 RafterManFMJ
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Have my eye on this place. Plenty of room for a home theater, gym, and disco.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:15 | 2281673 Schmuck Raker
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A deal at twice the price.

I assume the previous owner defaulted...

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:03 | 2281342 lolmao500
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China should dump their US dollars faster and selling arms to Iran on condition that they don't attack oil tankers in the gulf instead of making threats.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:05 | 2281353 Ima anal sphincter
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Hopefully the U.S. and its masters have hit a brick wall on this one. These continual wars with millions MURDERED have to stop. The evil is not in the middle east. It is squarely positioned in Washington and Europe. Enough is enough. It's time for some pure-ass-shitheads to be throttled. China and Russia have seen the light.

Why should I be cheering on foreign countries to stop this when my own "representatives" should be doing it?.........Serious brainfart there..........I keep forgetting that our elected officials don't represent us anymore.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:36 | 2281410 Lucius Corneliu...
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Jeb just endorsed Mitt.  What could possibly go wrong?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:03 | 2281599 my puppy for prez
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"Jeb just endorsed Mitt."

Yes, until Mitt can't get the votes in the convention and they trot out Jeb to save the day!

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:15 | 2281668 Ima anal sphincter
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Jeb is a member of the Bush crime syndicate. Mitt is a gutless puppet. TPTB will "install" who they want. Whether this joke of a president stays or a republican sellout, The Song Remains the Same.

The last TRUE president who had the balls to take on these assholes was quickly dispatched in 1963. Everybody screams for RP, but even though he is the obvious choice of the people, he will NEVER get in.

There is only one solution to this and it will take ALL true Americans to get it done.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:19 | 2281692 my puppy for prez
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Yes, I understand what you're saying.  I was just doing sarc.  I did hear this possible scenario somewhere in cyberspace.  I think the convention will be a circus and have absolutely no vested interest in its outcome.  

Dialectical, bitchez....

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:34 | 2281743 Ima anal sphincter
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Actually, you're not that far off. Jeb Bush.....president Jeb Bush. Oh the horror.

Same Old Wine

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:25 | 2281992 Savyindallas
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read Webster Tarpley's unauthorized biography of George HW'll find that the Bush family sponsored and profited the war efforts of Hitler and the Nazis, they were the inspiration for the eugenics movement in Germany, George HW Bush was one of the players in the Kennedy assassination, working with the criminal LBJ, J Edgar Hoover and other criminals in that coup d'état  against the American people.of course the Bush crime family is no different than the Clinton crime family, the murderous sex pervert LBJ, or the cocaine addict Homosexual Obama. If we ever pulled our  head out of our asses and woke up we all figure out that criminal Degenerate Elites have been ruining this country for a long, long time.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 19:34 | 2282106 Ima anal sphincter
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We had a sitting president who allowed the murder of 3000+ INNOCENT Americans on 9-11-2001. This crime was carried out by the Mossad of Israel and members of our own damn government. This president started wars in which a million+ INNOCENT people were killed for nothing but lies.

Whether his name is Bush, Clinton, o-BOMB-a, they are ALL traitors and murderers.

How people can reach such sadistic levels is beyond me. The love (greed) for power and money must have beaten out any sense of honesty and decency that these assholes had. Now it's just pure fucking evil.

A battle is coming. Good vs. bad, I think "bad" is going to get EXACTLY what they deserve.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:03 | 2282158 CompassionateFascist
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These pols are cyphers; they do what they are told when they are told. ZOG (Rothschild, Warburg, Schiff and Co.) rules.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 21:59 | 2282391 Clashfan
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It's called Luciferianism. That's how.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 21:07 | 2282294 azzhatter
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Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:10 | 2281648 CrazyCooter
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Well, from Mitt's eyes it rhymes with "on" and "all".

I genuinely think the schedule for this crap got rapidly moved up and this timetable was not desirable in the eyes of the power elite. This is something that happens after elections, not before. Consider the implications of a possible MENA wide nuke fest prior to a presidential election.

I smell desperation...



Fri, 03/23/2012 - 07:41 | 2282852 Money 4 Nothing
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Technically, they were running a bit behind, but, they have done very well in the past 6 months to play catch up though, their preety much back on their time table again.

Just keep your ears peeled for the "no fly" over Syria. They desperatly need that or operation turn right will have to go to plan "B" meaning a false flag hit here (or on US property there) as a means to an end.

Either we get clearance there, UN, or we take a hit here that Iran will be blamed for. Either way, were going to war.

And yea, that's their plan! thin I know lol! That's all they got for a contingency plan.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:49 | 2281545 lolmao500
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Russia should just park a nuclear sub off London and off Washington DC and wipe them out.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:21 | 2281986 TMT
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I would only disagree with "the evil is not in the middle east".  Just saw a report about 943 Paki women "honor killed" in 2011 alone.  Get real - we certainly aren't the poster child of humanity but the middle east for the most part is a killing field.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 21:16 | 2282308 Cathartes Aura
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while I absolutely agree that "honor killings" are horrific, it is important to give a bit more background when discussing this topic.

The Commission reported 791 “honor killings” in 2010.  Around 595 of the women killed in 2011 were accused of having “illicit relations” and 219 of marrying without permission.

Some victims were raped or gang raped before being killed, the Commission said. Most of the women were killed by their brothers and husbands.

Only 20 of 943 killed were reported to have been provided medical aid before they died, the Commission wrote.

in other words, these killings are done IN FAMILY, albeit "excused" by the state - and these women are killed because of belief systems that hold the women responsible for whole extended families "honor" (however the individuals define it).  this is a cultural thing, a culture that allows fathers and brothers to rape and kill their own, for whatever reason they like.

this is not why amrka goes to war, else how would we justify the numerous drone bombings of whole family wedding parties, etc. etc.

the world's fck'd - this is true, and in many places it is the women who bear the brunt of this.

(didn't junk you, fyi)

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 07:32 | 2282841 Money 4 Nothing
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Ima quote:

"Why should I be cheering on foreign countries to stop this when my own "representatives" should be doing it?.........Serious brainfart there..........I keep forgetting that our elected officials don't represent us anymore."

And they voted up NDAA assasinations of Americans here or abroad, sooo you reealy want to vote in November.. for anyone? Really?

Doesn't sound like representing We the Peoples best interest to me.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:30 | 2281420 Dr. Engali
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Who in the fuck are we to determine who gets sanctioned for what? This is just absurd. Hopefully China and Russia will say enough.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:24 | 2281435 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Dial to 11...


heh heh

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:26 | 2281444 Vince Clortho
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Is this the same Hilary Clinton that, as first lady, promoted the proliferation of nuclear weapons technology during the 1990's, claiming that it was not good for any one nation to have a significant edge in nuke weapons tech?

But now, using previously dormant brain capability, she has decided that it is no longer a good thing and that the U.S. must act to stop nuclear weapons proliferation.

It's so comforting to know that a woman of such conviction and stature is now representing the US in this extremely delicate and explosive situation.

Does anyone know which way the wind is blowing today?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:30 | 2281458 Lucius Corneliu...
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Apparantly not up her skirt.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:55 | 2281565 Winston Churchill
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Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:14 | 2281667 the not so migh...
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She is a CFR clown, the Russians and Chinese must be laughing their asses off.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:46 | 2281524 rsnoble
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Fuck it im opening a beer now. 

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:20 | 2281699 Schmuck Raker
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Nobody, I mean nobody, could have seen that coming.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 15:53 | 2281558 kralizec
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Piss on commies anyway...

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:27 | 2281724 slewie the pi-rat
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Hahaha!  this is from last weekUS denies sending warning to Iran via Russia -

first russia's Lavrov, also featured here, today (!) announces the bilary intent of invading iran, and then bilary denies it the next day

blahblah  nothing makes sense;   really can't say or do anything that makes any sense b/c everything is bullshit and events seem completely opaque, but nothing has changed

usually these productions indicate that efforts have already moved past this point

that would be fine with slewie!  i hope i'm right!

the best strategy is for these arch-criminals to continue to work their issues out and not tell us anything except how terrible it is going! 

so, ya can't beat this, BiCheZ!


Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:29 | 2281731 Tuffmug
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I'm hoping that Russia or China just gives Iran a nuke with the stipulation that if they ever use it offensively that three nukes will be promptly dropped on their asses. Mini MAD just might stop this idiocy.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 17:18 | 2281859 RafterManFMJ
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"The Heavens declared the glory of the Bomb, and the firmament showeth His handiwork." "He descendeth from the outermost part of Heaven and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. There is neither speech, nor language, yet His voice is heard among Them." "Glory be to the Bomb, and to the Holy Fallout. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. World without end. Amen." "O Mighty and Everlasting Bomb, who came down among us to make Heaven under Earth, lighten our darkness. O instrument of God, grant us thy peace." "Behold the truth that abides in us. Reveal that truth unto that Maker." "Let everyone go to his private shelter. Empty the streets. There to find the city of the dead." "May the Blessing of the Bomb Almighty, and the Fellowship of the Holy Fallout, descend upon us all. This day and forever more."

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 17:30 | 2281896 Tuffmug
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Brother: And Saint Attila raised the Hand Grenade up on high, saying:

"O Lord, bless this thy Hand Grenade that with it thou mayest blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."

And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large chu..

Maynard: Skip a bit, Brother.

Brother: And the Lord spake, saying:

"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin.
Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less.
Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three.
Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three.
Five is right out.
Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."

Maynard: Amen.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:26 | 2281994 RafterManFMJ
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+1 nice volley, but my quote is a bit more esoteric :)

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 16:46 | 2281782 AchtungAffen
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I wonder why the US is so eager to attack Iran. Considering what a blow that could be to China, and considering how US markets sputter everytime bad numbers come from China. It's like they're shooting themselves in the foot.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:07 | 2282165 CompassionateFascist
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Iran is dumping the petrodollar. Just as Sadaam Hussein and Khaddafi attempted. See the pattern?

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 23:01 | 2282232 i-dog
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"It's like they're shooting themselves in the foot"

Indeed it is like that ... though I think "shooting us in the head" is a more apt analogy!

I wonder why they would do that after working so hard to expand manufacturing capacity and energy sources in the US? Hmmmmm....

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 07:22 | 2282835 Money 4 Nothing
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Iran's oil bourge Kish Island is open for OPEC business and as of the 20th, they now do not accept the USD for oil payment would be my best guess. Just spit balling.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 17:30 | 2281891 the 300000000th...
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Its going to be a "packaged war" against Syria, Iran and Hezbollah. The Obummer admin will try and stall ol Netanyayhoo until after the elections, but I think something will bust loose with that plan and if the O Admin sniffs out something busting loose early then they will stage another more serious false flag to pin on Iran and convince his hippy lib base that we have to go bomb Iran. The players know that Obumma is trying to get re elected and they will try and play that to their advantage.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:31 | 2282006 kill switch
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Fred Reed   3-5-2012



As I listen to American fury against uncoöperative Afghans, to Congress furiously denouncing Pakistan for anemic aid in conducting the current wars, I sometimes wonder whether the US is playing with a full deck. The anger arises I suspect becaause the US and the rest of the world work from very different premises. They believe in, as we say, distinct narratives.

The American narrative holds that the United States is a light to the world, the freest, richest, most productive country the world has ever seen, the greatest military power, the most prolific producer of technlogy and of Nobel laureates. America is a force for freedom and democacry, a champion of human rights, a land of universal opportunity with liberty and justice for all. The Unites States is what all countries could be if they accepted our values. History supports this view. In a raw ccontinent, American energy and free enterprise carved a paradise from a wilderness.

This narrative, the belief that America is special among nations, favored by God, pervades the culture. Those old enough will remember that Superman fought for “truth, justice, and the American way.”

Underlying all of this is a profoundly moral view of America's place in the world. The United States does not fight, like the French, for glory or like the English, for empire, or like the Russians, to steal watches from the wounded. America fights against Evil, whether in the form of communism, terror, Islam, socialism, or the growing threat of enslavement by Chinese communism. These evils are real, Americans believe, immediate, and threaten us with tyranny.

The narrative of the US military springs from the national narrative. American soldiers are brave, wholesome young men selflessly sacrificing to overthrow brutal dictarors, to defeat terror, and to give the oppressed peoples the benefits of democracy. This actually happened in Japan, Germany, and Iraq, asserts the narrative. Sure, a bad apple among GIs may occasionally commit an atrocity, but these are isolated incidents and blown out of proportion by a leftist press.

Quite different is what might be called the World Narrative, held around the globe with differeing intensities and emphases. It holds the US to be an endlessly aggressive military power that is out of control, hypocritically speaking of democracy and freedom while supporting dictators and overthrowing elected governments. America is arrogant, crassly mateiralistic, crime-ridden, vulgar, racially unjust, the world's only avowed practicioner of torture, economically explotative, imperialistic and intolerant of other cultures.

The military form of the World Narrative holds that America savagely attacks weaker nations in pursuit of oil and empire, that it uses overwhelming technological superiority to butcher peasants armed with rifles, that atrocites are routine, that it employs Stalinist nocturnal raids to terrorize populations, that killing of children is common.

The World Narrative is closer to the truth. It is easy to compile a long list of dictatorships supported by the US, and anyone who has covered wars knows that atrocities are what militaries do. America supports Saudi Arabia and Israel, both with horrible records on human rights. It would also be easy to show that many countries that accuse the US of misbehavior commit or have committed similar crimes. This doesn't occur to these countries. Peoples see everybody's warts but their own.

The peculiar isolation in which Americans typically live shelters the national narrative. Americans are geographically isolated in that they can go nowhere without passports, which few have; linguistically isolated in that almost none speak a second language; and temporally isolated since few have even a rudimentary grasp of history. Add an odd lack of curiosity, apparenly based on a belief that the superiority of America is such that other places are not worthy of study. The result is a closed system.

This might be of minor interest if it did not affect American policy. But it does. The US operates in a world that doesn't quite exist. Think of a blind man who by error enters the wrong house. He bumps into furniture and can't find the bathroom because things are not where he thinks they are.

Consider the war to take over Afghanistan—which is what it is. The American Narrative, relentlessly moral, says that the US is there to fight Terror, to defeat Al Qaida, to save the Afghan people from repressive domination by the Taliban. The government in Kabul represents the Afghan people and is allied with the US in ridding the country of extremists. The Caspian hydrocarbons have nothing to do with it. The GIs fight to give Afghans a stable democracy, law and order, and equal rights fo women.

This is the sort of moral mission that the Narrative demands. In the real world, one might as well give art lessons to a boar hog.

By contrast, the Afghans predictably see the US as an invading army of brutal infidels—a word we see as faintly amusing but they don't—who bomb and kill, kick in their doors at three a.m, humiliate the men in front of their families and insult their women. A very little of this, a very few dead children, can arouse a whole lot of hatred, but the American Narrative doesn't allow of this truth.

Condequences ensue. Note that in Afghanistan, as in Iraq, as in Pakistan, as in Viet Nam, the national armies supposedly on America's side are never ready. Despite billions of dollars spent in training them, somehow they are always years away from being able to take over. They desert, coöperate with the enemy, sometimes murder GIs. By contrast, the enemy fights tenaciously.

The Americans are baffled and outraged. “We are here to help these people, to protect them against the evil (communists, Al Qaida, Iranians, or whatever). Where is their gratitude? Why don't they do their share?”

When you recruit citizens of a country to kill their own people in the name of a widely hated puppet government, their enthusiasm is likely to be exiguous. But since the American Narrative insists that the US seeks only to end the dominion of Evil, opposition to America becomes inexplicable.

In war after war, those attacked fail to act as the US expects. The Iraqis should have welcomed the American soldiers who were bringing them democracy and defeating an evil dictator. This fits the Narrative. That people don't like being invaded, having their cities devastated, their fathers, husbands, sons, and brothers in the army killed—this does not fit the Narative of unalloyed American virtue. It merely determines events.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 18:37 | 2282015 Uncle Remus
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Even got Freds typos.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:20 | 2282192 kill switch
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Why not??? Remus???

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:26 | 2282203 Ceteris paribus
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I will try whatever he is smokeing

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 21:30 | 2282341 Rick Masters
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Man you sure didn't put the kill switch on bringing the goods to this party, GREAT comment. Love it. I think in reality the US is slightly more to the middle of both but leaing towards the world view, but I'm biased. Still, good stuff.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 22:16 | 2282412 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Fred Reed is a cornucopia of raw truth and good sense. I give my highest recommendation and urge you to peruse his site:


Thu, 03/22/2012 - 22:22 | 2282419 Rick Masters
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Thanks, will do. I'm always looking for new paths to knowledge and truth. NYUK, Nyuk, nyuk. Sorry, I couldn't help it! Great avatar! I, myself, have always been partial to shemp, for whatever reason.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 23:09 | 2282513 Crassus
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I too admire Shemp. Not only for his work on the stage in vaudeville and for his career in the short films, but for rising to the position of secretary of defense using the ridiculous name, Robert McNamara.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 17:49 | 2285185 Reptil
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The whole "nations fighting each other" is a trap. Who benefits? Not the warring parties, not in the modern battlefield anyway.

OTOH there area logical reasons to wage war. Don't trust anyone, out of hand.

So the best defence is never to have to fight. Fighting is losing, the cost is just too high, both in resources, as in attainable goals (a contaminated and destroyed battlefield).

This is known to those that push for war. Therefore it's wrong to rely on the "M.A.D." strategy.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:43 | 2282236 booboo
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Make you long for the days of a Jewish dumpling in a blue dress splattered with the Royal Jelly, almost. 

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 20:52 | 2282260 jack stephan
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Donny: Phone's ringing, Dude. 
The Dude: Thank you, Donny.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 21:26 | 2282334 gookempucky
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The US government goons is looking like the big bully who just got slapped in the face by his mom--- total incompetence.

We have become the joke of the planet.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 22:37 | 2282445 Clashfan
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Here's a sweet, patriotic ballad for all of you warmongers out there.


Wave them flagz and wag them bagz!

Sad to see them playing w/out Topper--not the same--but Opey's enthusiasm is fun to see, especially for this tune. Hopefully you'll find it appropriate for the piece and thread.

This is your paradise.

There ain't no need for ya.

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 23:35 | 2282557 nathan1234
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The war in Iraq and Libya was contrived like in Bosnia.

The war in Iran will also be contrived.

We are dealing with meglomaniacs who have nothing to loose.

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 03:40 | 2282717 Reptil
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VERY telling interview (posted before on this site - reposted to be thourough):

RT interview:

IMO it's only logical that a souverign country wants to arm itself. The whole thing is of course very dangerous (DU fallout - congenital malformation - which is passed down generations). The stuff travels....

Please share this bombshell? I like my offspring with all toes complete.

Sun, 03/25/2012 - 14:12 | 2288688 MeelionDollerBogus
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DO you have a copy



this video was removed

Fri, 03/23/2012 - 11:35 | 2283617 tony bonn
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clinton can go fuck herself.....

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