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"China Will Not Hesitate To Protect Iran Even With A Third World War"
Fast forward to 2:08: "It is puzzling to some that Major General Zhang Zhaozhong, a professor from the Chinese National Defense University, said China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War... Professor Xia Ming: "Zhang Zhaozhong said that not hesitating to fight a third world war would be entirely for domestic political needs...." And don't forget Russia, which recently said it is preparing to retaliate against NATO and has put radar stations on combat alert: "Russia is another ally of Iran, with similar policy to that of China. Toward Iran." Watch, and please forward the entire video, for an explanation of how China is approaching the situation not only in Iran, but a perspective of how they view the western "threat", as well as what tensions they face domestically.
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At least a nuclear winter will counter global warming.
I prefer Australia.
Accept for the fact that Obama did his whole song and dance routine in Darwin to show how big and mighty his military is. China is not very happy with Australia for that one.
+1 to that. I live in Australia and have my passport ready to jump if things go bad. This base in Darwin is a freaking idiotic idea supported by Juliar. South America Looks good.
Obama? Isn't that that foreign-born feller?
Good idea. Read Nevile Shute's On The Beach to give you some idea of the excitement you could expect in Australia after the war.
"On the Beach" didn't turn out too spiffy. MIlestones
Canada may not be the best place to park your ass...considering Canada has allied itself with the West and they are now considered enemy by proxy...
Canadians are now number one in visitor numbers to choice New Zealand real estate web sites...
the grass is definitely greener here.
bluffing
More like posturing.
Ben can fix this cant he?
Is the plan to demoralize everyone into not caring about ww3 with the yellow peril? Working so far.
war between America and Chindussa over the Islamic Revolution?.....never happen. Although if we win the war reparations would cover our debts to them.
Rimshot. Paul "Enron" Krugman approves this message.
Correct. Neither side will fight for muslims. More likely said muslims will be torn apart if they don't get out of the way of the fight for oil.
If Russian back Iran, that is a totally different ball game. India is a friend of Russia. They join develop the stealth fighter T-50 and the hypersonic missiles. If Russia fight, so will India.
If China, Russia back Iran, India and pakistan may also back Iran. It will really be interesting to see what may happen.
India is a friend to the US too, and distrusts China while also hating Pakistan with a Passion.
I am not convinced they will join on the China/Russia side.
By definition India, at over 1 billon, counter balances China over long term. But India is not a belligerent country by culture. Its a mosaic and has many cultural fault lines since centuries that acts as an internal break. They can't fight like a hegemonic continent.
Correct, India is not a nation-state: it is a collection of small nation states in terms of cultural differences, population, economic differences, etc., much like Europe, except nominally united as a whole.
It is actually quite similar to China in this regard, except China possesses a culture which causes unity naturally. Indian unity is a result of British naval adventures.
I find Indians quite interesting. Bharat-rakshak.com is an excellent website, and its forum allows me to see deep into the minds of intelligent Indians; they all speak English, because, again, of British naval adventures (linguistic unity is almost a prerequisite for cultural unity).
In any case, India cannot resist China. Geographically, culturally, economically, politically, logistically . . . the Chinese have every advantage. The Indians have cultivated a culture of acceptance: acceptance of servitude. It is absolutely hilarious that Ghandi is their star: a pacifist upheld as holy?! ROFLMAO.
Historically, the Indian subcontinent has looked to the northwest for threats. To the northeast, the intimidating Himalays impose their will upon all but the most capable of adventurers; it is folly, if not impossible, to march men through such territory. In all other directions lay ocean; thus, India's attention has been focused on Pakistan on far too long. Only recently has the GoI realized that the real threat is China. Only recently, as the relationship between Pakistan and the USA has withered: in other words, far too late.
What allies does India have? No power in Asia can stand China's might. Even United, the Asian powers are crippled by millennia of subservience to the Central Empire.
Aren't India and Pakistan bitter enemies?
Nah, asshole buddies. Just protrayed that way in the press to make believe that somebody hates our guts.
Jesus
Like who the fuck cares anymore.
It's too fucked up to matter.
I doubt India would side with Pakistan on anything (or vice versa).
India isn't joining Russia in any fool's errand.
Maybe they can join up with us and keep the chinese soldiers occupied via indigent shovel fights?
It's geopolitically prudent for India to ally with Russia. One of the many rules of geopolitics states that the neighbor of my neighbor is my friend.
Literally East VS the West....except those sorry fuckers in Japan will be stuck in the middle...assuming they don't mutate into something different due to excess radioactive nuclides floating about...in fact...they may be fine afterall once they build their immune systems up...
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
But yesterday it was Eur.............
India is much closer to USA than Iran. But it gets lots of its energy supplies from Iran. The last thing that India wants or needs is a war. Not one in a billion chance that India will back Iran versus USA in a war. Besides, India has strong ties with Israel - no chance India fights Israel.
This USA, Israel versus Iran conflict is a losing proposition for India. Also, for the world.
Nobody gets it. Iran is being set up by EVERYONE! I'll bet the Chinese and Russians just love all those Muslims. Think about it. Ya you too Iran.
Marc Faber has been saying for years that this financial mess will end in a great big war.
+1 on the avatar.
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better than mine
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It doesn't seem like any countries are BFF these days. I think he might be right.
WWIII may even include a bunch of simultaneous civil wars. Holy Cow!
Gerald Celente too.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/muslim-brotherhood-takes-lead-in...
Muslim Brotherhood takes lead in Egypt vote countDoes the U.S. have a National Defense University?
Who needs one when there's Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, MIT, IIT, UC at ___, University of (Name Your State), USMA, USAFA, USNA, War College, Naval Post Graduate School, Northwestern, Chicago, et al? Think of it as a 'distributed campus'.
start your engines!
I look at it in this way. If China fires a single shot at us it provides us with the excuse to default on our debt obligation to China while saving face. It will also anger Americans into not purchasing Chinese made products. Do you remember when Obama was intimidated into removing the Buy American provision from I believe it was his first stimulus bill?
It would hurt America much worse than China. Without China, Walmart and all those who rely on Walmart to survive are dead. What are you going to do? Reopen all those factories that have been closed for +20 years and expect to hire a bunch of former retail employees to manufacture things? LOL... It doesn't work like that. Not without years of depression and restructuring.
I think the main difference is in China, the people would probably tear the place apart and would mostly go back to their life in the peasantry/on the farm. Most Chinese are no more than a generation (and many less) removed from the rice paddies. In the USA, a mass downgrade of lifestyle would decimate the country, cities, as the mirage would be shattered beyond repair. Americans, like all westerners, are much more dependent on "the system" to keep them alive.
Let's not have a war, if we can avoid it.
Oh bullshit.
Nothing more american then the "K-mart blue light special!"
Go long on K-mart...
Ha, and Walmart and 75% of the other retail outlets go bankrupt? Interesting scenario, no doubt.
That was because Canada objected. Can't we all just get along?
It's bad news when ALL the major powers are rattling their sabres and declaring their willingness to fight, and nobody's acting as the mediator and trying to get everybody to calm down. When everybody's ready to fight, war's going to follow, and when it does it's going to be bad for everybody. The soundbites and media headlines sound a lot like the posturing of all the players prior to the first world war - not good.
Noticed that too, eh?
Except this time it's all talk. Nobody's been mobilizing for 10 years. And no, the USSA has not. Can't raise enough troops to occupy Baghdad, let alone fight a modern enemy.
It all sounds like the "war of nerves" in the period between the invasion of Poland in '39 and the May 1940 invasion of Holland, Belgium and France.
Some stupid with a flare gun burned the place to the ground .... Smoke on the water .... and fire in the sky - Deep Purple
All major powers are on the collision course with each other as resource constraints are meeting constantly growing population. There is no possible way to mediate this situation and if there ever was one, it was squandered.
Unluckiest of all are males within 16-25 age bracket who will be forced to become a hero generation to fight in countless battles of what's to come.
Thank God we have our fearless leader in these times of trouble!
/sarc
MAD anyone?
What, me worry?
SPY VS SPY Bitchez!!!
What? I didn't do a damned thing.
its the BRICs vs US/UK/Israel......hmmmm sounds like a derivative of WWII
china was not too pleased w/ the whole NATO shoot-em-up in libya
after tripoli fell, and B4 the moQ got off'd, china~~who had been friendly and involved in libya pre-NATO~~china looks at libya and addresses the western military alliance: you blew this whole place up, therefore you are legally required to restore it
they were ignored. totally
just a few days ago, whoever is in charge of the libyan celebrations and festivities this week recognized the chinese commercial projects and interests, made them a buncha promises, and told them to take 2 aspirin and go to be bed and call again tomorrow if they didn't feel better
to me, china has not been pleased, at all, now going forward with the "international handling" of events in syria and the recent jawboning, posturing and big fuking explosions in iran, they are saying: that's enough!
this isn't very nice talk while we're planning and enjoying the holidays, but i'm sure that horold camping will find it useful
and, there are no mayan 2012 calendars anywhere to be found! sold out, everywhere
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Couple of things here Slewie....China sold $200 million worth of weapons to Ghadaffi via Algeria during the uprising. Well documented after the fall of Tripoli and China was cought red-handed with the i's dotted and the t's crossed. China is now person non grata in Libya and the love isn't being felt in Egypt or Tunisia.
I think this whole revolution shit scares the hell out of the Chinese -Syria or Iran have a revolution why not China.
Africa is China's Lebensraum.
They're just the latest to the centuries long scramble.
Fuck them and the MSG they ate in on.
mmmmmm just like the good ol' days...
I don't see China going to war over Iran....China has a history of killing themselves...not fighting wars to protect others...nothing is more important to China then China...as it should be. Russia on the other hand.....
Aside of launching a couple of nukes - and they won't do this to defend Iran, explain to me how Chia will project power outside of their borders in a contested ocean. They can't do anything unless they march to Iran to defend it. They don't have the navy.
Can you imagine 10 million Chinese infantry being dropped on American soil? Lights out USA
Dropped from where? You seriously think they are able to fly 10 million folks from accross the world? Sorry impossible. Just like sailing them. Not gonna happen.
You never know. Them Chinamen could have spaceships or something if they were working with the Japs.
And what if China decides that war on a global scale is in their long term best interests? They're in need of a distraction/Keynesian windfall as much as anyone.
Demographics...how many young men are there compared to women due to their one child policy?
Nope, IMO this current financial crisis helps the Chinese cause long term. Only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the mid-day sun of nuclear fall out. I hope the mad dogs of pax americana are on a strong leash. China's demographics will help stabilise its consumption imprint on world. 1 billion is more than enough. Its even more than more.
They already have a million Chinese parked in Vancouver. Didn't see that coming did ya.
China loses 3/4 of its population and still has as many people as the US in an equivalent territory. They migh see a war as a healthy little blood-letting.
And they wouldn't go to war over Korea. But they would send in "Volunteers".
And Americans don't have a history of killing each other? Isn't one of the most revered periods in American history a time when we killed more of each other than any foreign power ever did?
China won't be going to war to protect Iran or ANYone...they would go to war to secure their national interests, namely OIL...
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_student_report_points_to_larger_China...
An unconventional project by US university students has concluded that China's nuclear arsenal could be many times larger than current estimates, drawing the attention of Pentagon analysts.
Karber said that -- based on the study of the tunnels -- China could have up to 3,000 nuclear warheads, far higher than the current estimates, which range from 80 to 400, according to the Post.
And if any of you think that China fears nuclear war, forget about it. Mao during the Korean war :
``The atomic bomb is nothing to be afraid of. China has millions of people. It cannot be bombed out of existence. If someone else can drop an atomic bomb, I can too. The death of 10 or 20 million people is nothing to be afraid of...``
That was him responding to the Indian ambassador after he asked him if he feared that Chinese involvement in the Korean war could lead to nuclear war against the US.
*Source : The Coldest Winter: America and the Korean War
who cares about 400 or 3000 nukes, when 5 are enough to produce five Fukushimas in the US.
Even more crazy the idea of placing 5 nukes at the coast of the spanish canary islands which will produce enough energy for this one fragile mountain to slide off into the atlantic, creating a tsunami which would wipe out the US east coast.
Use men made energy to release mother earths energies.
I hope TPTB are not that stupid, because even they do not favor a life below ground for the next 30'000 years.
Not this canary islands BS again.... sorry but it won't happen. The geologist claiming that is a nut.
And about Fukushimas, you are right... as long as those nukes hit nuclear power plants... just a nuke hitting a city will not create a ``fukushima``... A nuclear power plants has TONS of radioactive material... a nuke a few hundreds lbs... which most of it gets transformed into heat.
Ok about the canary island, since i am not a geologist.
Any modern missile can take out a nuclear power plant, probably multiple rounds of RPGs could as well, since they are built to withstand inside and NOT outside pressure.
Since in todays world, due to a lack of storage space, the plants are storing their used fuel rods in these power plants the damage would be detrimental for thousands of years as in Tschernobyl and Fuku, with worldwide implications.
Actually nuke power plant containment domes from the 60s and 70s were built to survive a direct hit from a 727
Something tells me a direct hit with a Hydrogen bomb is a tad more powerful.
Of course but ratscam above was suggesting missiles and RPGs.
Suppose the missles and RPGs cripple the plant's water supplies or personnel? Face it. Nuclear power plants are nothing more than gigantic dirty bombs and a clear and present danger wherever they are. How many FUKUshimas end it all?
The mutest point ever.
Do I get my name in the World Guiness Book of records?
Batcrap! Those tunnels are only 20 or so feet below street level. I toured them in 2003-4? . Our bunker buster bombs would blow them apart in one big raid. Interesting tour--were set up withe beauty saloons etc. Just a few hundred feet shallow. This was in Beijing. Milestones
Oh now relax with the finger pointing, and 'Oh no you ditn't's.
We all know who owns that oil and it ain't going no place else.
All happening according to plan.
Maurice Strong is in China at the helm of the long term scheme. So are the rest of the cockroachefellers.
The rothchilds created isreal for the sole purpose of sacrificing and to be the match that strikes it all off into a population control flame eliminating so many millions of useless eater and breathers with all the weapons they have been stacking up and getting ready to use.
WW3? Are they joking? WW3 over fooking Iran?
They cannot be even close to serious.
Russia: Who will they sell their oil and natgas to when they've been embargoed as a act of war? And without oil revenue they are not even as economically viable as Brazil. The Tsar would be back in power within a year if they don't bring the tanks down on their universities.
China: Who will they sell their lead-tainted toys to? Without record-breaking exports every quarter to keep their serfs busy internal unrest will explode. They'll have so much rioting at home it will be shocking if they don't go WMD against their own people.
Grain of salt time. Or else these guys are stupid as stumps.
Something has to distract people from the reality of the current financial chaos that's coming. What's better than pay-per-view WW3?
Will there be showers of tracer rounds, live on CNN? count me IN!
You got it Rex.
Front me the initial million and I'll get ww3.tv setup and we're good to go.
We'll offer a 1 week trial when you provide a credit card. To cancel your account you have to call someone in India and they're always busy.
"This is Peggy!"
YES
Bring back that asshole Charles Jacko "Reporting live from Teheran" when all the fucking time he/they were stateside getting stoned in front of a blue screen awaiting pizza deliveries.
Way, CNN bitches! Yo.
Who got there faces ripped off being short today?
BWAHAHA, I'm so glad I quit trading....on days like this, people lose everything. Money Managers crying everywhere....this market is like playing dodge ball with pistols.
Whatever I did not lose everything, just most of everything. Big difference
They are not stupid. They dont believe what they are saying. After all talk is cheap. Usually the tinier your missile the more bombastic you become.
Anger about their lowly station in the world hierarchy drives a lot of china's behavior.
No doubt. And if they can create the mirage of an external enemy for internal consumption then maybe they can divert some attention away from that recent string of embarrassing shit-for-brains engineering catastrophes and their looming housing market melt-down.
Talk about a deer in the headlights ...
I dunno MsBluTits,
Will you let me live if I call you that?
What pulled the US out of depression? War. If China can't build shit for us to buy (because we are too "in debt" to buy it already) then lots of jobs building and running a war machine might be just the ticket. Team up with Russia and Iran to leave us out of the oil loop. Not a crazy strategy when you consider their willingness to build ghost cities.
Answer: World War III
Question: What would it take to keep MoFo Global out of the news until after the election?
They aren't tits as such.
They're the world's most powerful pair of analytical engines. Making Fortran the only platinum blonde who in fact thinks with her boobs.
She's quite adamant on this point when the topic comes up. Just so you know.
Otherwise sure MsBluTits works for me. She'll lol when I tell her. I hope.
They aren't tits as such...
Pity, after blue moon, I was hoping for a variation on the theme.
No country is worth a WW3. No cause, no country...Man is biodegradable, plutonium isn't.
They may play strategy games with moves that are not obvious but no one can say the Chinese are stupid.
Challenge accepted. The Chinese are stupid. There I win. I'm someone and I said it.
WW3 over fooking Iran?
Which oil net exporter isn't under Western control? Russia, Venezuela...See, you can't move a tank or fly a fighter jet on solar. You think the US is such an important market for China? You're living in 2007 man.
But ... actual World War Fucking Three?!? Over pissy Iran?!? Even over oil?!? When both China and Russia have living memories of being totally reamed out in the last exciting episode?
Sorry I ain't buying it this time. They are either stupid or else playing to their internal media circuses. Although I won't rule out that they are both.
blu colorfully stated:
It's the American way.
Yeah all of western Europe will all of a sudden want to live in the cold and dark, just to embargo Russia... Don't forget that Europe itself is almost falling apart, Russia has some pretty damn close ties with many European countries, and Germany is getting royally fed up with the bullshit economical policies pushed by many powers that be. You might be surprised who's side Europe might end up on...
I have a feeling WW3 will last 15-30 minutes.
That's including the traditional post-climactic cigarette.
Gulp.
I wonder about the wisdom of the human species, when such things can exist. The recent article about researchers making the H5N1 virus more deadly by developing airborne transmission is similarly scary. It's one step away from millions, if not billions, of people dying. Why do we do this to ourselves? Are humans inherently self-destructive?
http://gms-cdc.org/news/ah1n1-virus/2119-study-finds-series-of-complex-steps-needed-for-airborne-h5n1-spread-in-ferrets.html
Imagine if someone could invent a device which could kill everyone on the planet instantly. Would it be a good idea to build this? Would we anyway? Why?
Imagine if you will a geo-aware virus half organism, half organic microchip containing itself within specific long/lat pairs.
Coming soon to a killzone near you.
morgellons?
Humans are born ignorant, fearful,and greedy. Only a small slice realize intelligence. Hint: None that have realized intelligence are in ANY position of power....that,in itself, would negate the realization of intelligence.
"The recent article about researchers making the H5N1 virus more deadly by developing airborne transmission is similarly scary." But if we didn't have shit like that to play with we would be board out of our minds.
Even war is easy today...just sit back enter a bunch of codes and press the big red EASY button. I suppose after that though it will be like robin hood and his drunken men.
Don't forget to check the email address
http://xkcd.com/970/
I think he said "We want a price break on that oil we're buying in spite of the embargo".
This just shows that Chinese academia are just as full of shit as American academia.
The rulers in China know that the USA would nuke them back to the stone age.
China is destroying the USA economically and has no need or desire to engage us militarily. China knows they would lose, so solly.
Pffft. The US is doing a fine job destroying itself.
And to think...we still have a choice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG2aJyIFrA
Some chinese loser wants his 15 minutes of fame.
They will not get involved.
Little third world yap dogs are kinda funny. Such a big snarly bark for such a tiny dog.
So who is it that's comin' to save the mother fuckin' day, now?
Like a lot of people here I see no reason to fight a war for the jews. I hope nobody saves the day and we just learn to live with it. We dont need any fucking saviors. Those saviors are the ones who cause so much trouble usually.
You mean like how they didn't get involved in Korea?
THE FINAL CRUSADE: A NEW CALIPHATE OF GLASS!!!
Do the US not have large oil reserves?
do FAT reserves count?
Absolutely.
Fat is just oil with a higher melting point.
OUCH, BITCH!
+1
Bio-diesel - bomb that shit right back into the ground.
Damn I think you may have inadvertantly come up with an alternate energy source! Just line those fat fuckers up for a good fat shearing...melt that shit down and you're good to go!
SOAP
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yes! the worlds largest oil rig is positioned off alaska, and sweet crude in certain states, which will only start pumping once oil hits around $200! the takeover of the middle east, and cutting china off, from oil and minerals, are part of the plan! to top it off, the oldidorks intend to reduce the worlds population by 7B. nothing like chem trails, flouride in water, ans flu shots which contain mercury, cancer causing agents etc.!
Uhh....you forgot HAARP, low frequency vibrations, planet x, and didnt mention illuminati, treaty of rome, trilateral commission, bilderberger, and committee of 300
You rant was just slightly incomplete. I expect a better job next time.
Are you in fact a "top" calling troll rather than a "top-calling" troll?
Well played.
Really nice... Time for WAR... now i think they will use satellites in the space, isn't?
Really good idea...to stop talking about CRISIS.
Better start sending over 50000 drones to bomb the shit out of them and than ask them to change their mind about Iran.
IT'S CALLED COMMUNICATION!
It's something I learned at school. You twist somebody's arm and than you ask politetly for his lunchmoney. And when you have his money, you put your foot in his ass AND AGAIN POLITETLY YOU SAY: See you Tomorrow BITCH!!
What we have here, is a failure to communicate.
and the moment we've all been waiting for....
yeh, what would be the best place to be in case of WW3 and why????
USA is a good choice.
"Where capitalistic entrepreneurship is allowed to function freely, the fighting forces will always be so well equipped that the biggest armies of the backward peoples will be no match for them. There has even been great exaggeration of the danger of making the formulas for manufacturing “secret” weapons universally known. If war comes again, the searching mind of the capitalistic world will always have a head start on the peoples who merely copy and imitate clumsily... The peoples who have developed the system of the market economy and cling to it are in every respect superior to all other peoples... if war becomes unavoidable, they show their superior efficiency in military affairs too. They repel the barbarian aggressors whatever their numbers may be." - Ludwig von Mises, Human Action
I respect LvM. But this quotation does not describe our situation at all. Rothbard and von Mises have a blind spot when it comes to the Rothschilds, organized Jewry, and group competition generally. Methodological individualism has its limits.
Just who are the "barbarian aggressors" in the current world scene? Seriously. Ask the people of Libya.
So the quotation is largely irrelevant. If you have loyalty to the aliens ruling us now, then you are no patriot.
There is very little 'capitalistic entrepeneurship' going on in the USSA; mostly it is a form of crony-capitalistic fascism. We must first defeat the enemy (which is ourselves...e.g. the corporations, banking cartel and so-called 'leaders' in Washingon). Only then will we be in a position to be "free", in which there will be no need (or desire) to conquer others....
3 miles from a known and valid Nuclear Target.
Now I live in the old Titan II country were Silos are part of the land as are the farms. I don't think the Soviets want anything we have down here but *Shrugs.
30 minutes between heaven and hell, delivery gauranteed by missile.
Probably the South Pacific, 'cause there aren't enough people there to make it worth the cost of nukin' the place. Gotta make sure you're on an island big enough to be self-sufficient, though.