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China's Delinquent Loans Rise 333% Since End 2011
Presented with little comment since our jaws just hit our chest - these stunning headlines from a PWC report:
- *CHINA TOP 10 LISTED BANKS' OVERDUE LOANS REACH 489B YUAN END-1H
- *CHINA OVERDUE LOANS RISE FROM 112.9B YUAN END-2011: PWC
- *INCREASE IN CHINA OVERDUE LOANS SHOWS NPLS MAY RISE, PWC SAYS
- *PWC CITES BANKS' REPORTS FOR OVERDUE LOAN DATA
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Walking is dangerous than printing,bitchez.
Corrapse, bitchez!!! Clash and bun!
Why pay back a loan when you can use that money to buy more gold? Makes complete sense. The Chinese know full well that all fiat is headed toward worthlessness.
Prudent, IMO.
I've actually wondered why more governments don't do that? Or maybe they are and not saying anything in order to prevent "gold envy."
"you don't need to see the banks' books...these are not the loans you're looking for".
China, the biggest Ponzi scheme EVER!
...brought to you by our blood thirsty friends with ever reaching tentacles.
Surprise...Pan fried-derivatives.
But they can always rely on their "risk-free" US T bills. Right? right?
BWAAaaaaaaaaaa...
Hey those T bills.....are freakin gold baby!
are there still Mandarin immersion schools in NY?
"The Japanese will own us" -90's
"The chinese will own us" - 2000's
only amerika can take america down bitchez!
Amerika has taken America down. Just wait until we need all that 'industry' we gave away for cheap trinkets and iPhones.
The next mouth breathing dumbass that puts up another "US has no industry / manufacturing / Amerika" post on this board can EABOD and DIAF. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, proves you're a bigger fool than believing that crap. You're not a human being, you're a parrot.
At least the western world has a reasonable audit function... every number out of China is flat out fucking FAKE. If you haven't figured that out by now you never will.
"The Fed and Big Banks will own us" - 2010's
Second biggest. We have them beat by a wide margin.
Great form from the chick demonstrating Yoga on the carpet. She's skipping Plank and going straight to 'Upward Dog', what a pro!
Yoga tonight...a great perve...it's like soft porn, unplugged.
oh, I just thought the guys behind her were holding signs with ratings of her ass...
Remember all the phantom steel inventories report?
no glot com fliday kwash bun redrum redrum drydrunk drydrunk 333% on the way to 666%
too much peter chao
No tickee, no laundering!
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Wait..people are expected to pay back loans? That's soooooooo old fashioned.
Unfortunate that China does not have the secret weapon of CTRL-P and the Ben Bernank ;)
Reality just hit the Great Wall.
Bullish for delinquent loans.
SHTF = SHTGW?
Must really be bad for the non-transparent Chinese to at least in part fess up.
is that chick giving a blow job for free?
I can tell that's an alien concept for you
naa, she is ready to get mounted cave man style.
This just shows how much of a boom China is set for. The rest of the world is printing into a frenzy to postpone this type of thing from happening, while China sits back and shores up its fundamentals.
ROR! "Chinese financial fundamentals", what a riot! You should take that act on the road.
Just look at how much they export. That shows how strong thier fundamentals are. When they stop supporting other countries, they will consume those products that they currently export themselves and they will boom.
/sarc?
Apparently, today ZHers are choosing to believe that it's spending and consumption that makes an economy more prosperous.
Well, I didn't junk you, but I do think you're being way too simplistic. They make and export cheap plastic shit, basically (that is also admittedly simplistic). They're trying to make their way into heavy construction equipment but their product lines and presentation in Europe and America are raffable in the extreme.
Do you really think that if we stop buying their exports their citizenry is going to up and consume a shit load of iPhones? If so, why aren't they doing so now and booming to Mars and beyond? If our economy crashes, do they just nationalize all of the multinational corporations' factories and continue on as if nothing happened?
They've enslaved their citizens, they've poisoned their earth, and with no one to export to the factory workers go back to the rice paddies or kill themselves (or march off to nearest war, given the current climate).
We are no better, and our service/consumption based economy is also no better, but it's false to say that because our fundamentals are untenable then theirs are.
I am clearly not an expert here, so any clarification and correction is welcome.
The ONLY reason to export is to in turn import.
China is exporting a lot of stuff to the US for a poor exchange of goods in return. For the most part, what they get in exchange is digital fiat. China is doing themselves a world of harm by exporting us their real goods that took real resources and real labor to make in exchange for digital dollars, which will soon vanish into the thin air they came from.
Yes, when China stops getting screwed by this game, they will consume their own products, albeit there will be a cost to retooling their factories.
So delinquent loans are on track to exceed the $160 billion stimulus package...how does that work? And China is the engine of growth that is going to drag the west out of this recession? God help us....
What's really funny is China is buying our debt
UPDATE: China Net Buyer of U.S. Treasurys in July, Remains Top Holder
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120918-707608.html
http://buzz.money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/china-us-debt-tic/?iid=HP_River
lol I posted the story below lot's of times
Are Chinese Banks Hiding “The Mother of All Debt Bombs”?
http://thediplomat.com/2012/09/10/are-chinese-banks-hiding-the-mother-of-all-debt-bombs/#
No they're not buying "our" debt (any more). They're buying oil to fill their new SPRs, they're buying huge inventories of commodities which you can't eat and which pay no interest, they're buying tons barbarous relics, they're buying foreign corporations with tangible assets, they're buying access to raw materials, they're buying foreign influence. And with the growing pile of F/X reserves that they are amassing on top of all this buying and spending, they are not buying more UST, they are stockpiling other people's IOUs.
China hasn't bought any additional Treasuries in FY/CY 2011 or 2012
September 2010 - Chinese UST Holdings 1151.9B
June 2012 (Most Recent Comp) - Chinese UST Holdings 1147.0B
Net US Treasury Holding Change -0.4%
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Pages/inde...
September 2010 - Chinese F/X Reserves (ex. gold) 24542.75B
June 2012 - Chinese F/X Reserves (ex. gold) 32400.05B
Net F/X Reserves Change +32.0%
http://www.pbc.gov.cn/publish/html/2010s09.htm
http://www.pbc.gov.cn/publish/html/2012s09.htm
While the US fiscal year ends in 10 days, corresponding CNB data won't be available until the calendar year end.
Wife asked why I was laughing. I tried to explain, the "jaw dropping", and the photo of the jet...but it's just one of those things you either get it or you don't.
You forgot about China's "stealth fighter."
The secret to it's lethality is tricking those on the ground that it's a freight train, and not an aircraft, approaching. Very clever.
Video Of Chinese J-20 Stealth Fighter Leaked | ZeroHedgeAnd that does it, when I have kids, I'm teaching them Burmese, not Mandarin.
Burma's the next BBRIC.
China's stealth fighter is nothing to our flying disc technology (actually I think they went with a triangle but not matter...).
Link to original report?
Bottom falls out and the chick's i-phone falls clear through to Detroit.
Soft landing...Check.
After a few hasty, fearful looks at the achievements of the (politically correct censorship here) mayor, and his (pc censored) voters, she will jump back into the hole!
Its ok they have those warehouse full of steel for assets... oh wait.. oh shit..
I find myself saying "Aw fuck" outloud quite often lately when reading articles here.
I guess I'm alright until I find myself shouting "Oh, Fuck me!!".
I have a feeling that day is coming soon for many, if not all, of us.
Perhaps your second shout is what was on the mind of the chinese chick bending down on the carpet?
Lots of titanium in China.
Lots of kidneys in China. Hearts, livers, and lungs too.
And cue the protestors with the Japanese hate signs in 3-2-1...........mobilize the military assets for some good old fashion drum beatings..........then let the American know.......there next!!!!!!
People's Wepublic of Currency?
As the mounting evidence demonstrates, it's going to get substantially uglier in the new year, and the us middle class cut will be 20% falling under water. elections are only important in terms of which 20%, what capital goes with it. reversion will occur; who gets sacrificed on krugman's alter is up to capital. obamney gets richer either way, and both would make a greater profit by losing.
INCREASE IN CHINA OVERDUE LOANS SHOWS NPLS MAY RISE, PWC SAYS
that is why the pay PWC so much...for such perceptive insights as this!!!!!!!!
God help us all. Maybe the Fed should buy these chinese "assets"? QE3+++
Specs are dumping "Aussie 10year bonds" , down almost 11 basis points.
Australia 10-Year 3.270 3.365 3.315 3.260 -0.100 -2.97% 4:12:35It's commodity rebalancing.
Crikey! Where's that exit?
10s and FX correlate. Not surprised about Aust 10yr, should sell hard with the AUD.
A miner will go bust over there, a big one, then the housing market. Hedge funds will prompt a rate cut on the RBA. Brutal sell off on the AUD is on the cards.
In some small "1'st world economies", with fairly balanced budgets, bond yields actually go down, when they get sold!
Hence the currency sell off, and not the "safe haven" effect! I think you are 100% correct Chump, but this sell off is more of a "repositioning" squeeze, IMHO. The RBA was still on the "firm side" last week. The aud/has been weighted by the "STUPID YEN" strength.
The BoJ went all in Yesterday,so the "momo"& "speculators" can beat the hell out of the yen until further notice!
i am looking at the asx200 now, it is so hft infested, i think australia will be one huge short till the central bank joins the print fest. but everything looks bad, from all angles...everywhere.
Can't argue with anything your are saying . I Just feel one more "nasty squeeze" before the fall! You know how the aussie is when it falls, because of the "carry" effect.
The Chinese are noobs. Billions are chump change, especially when you convert to dollars. They haven't hit TRILLIONS like us. You hit the bit 'T' and that's when you start talking about REAL money.
The Japanese are up to a quadrillion yen. Play it like the pros.
The Chinese are noobs. Billions are chump change, especially when you convert to dollars. They haven't hit TRILLIONS like us. You hit the bit 'T' and that's when you start talking about REAL money.
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It's getting scary to see all these negative economic data points getting woven together more and more quickly. Like watching a constricting cocoon being constructed around entire economies. Knowing while we watch that slow death follows.
...must be the year(s) of the ''Under'' Water Dragon ...with rucky ''Under'' Water Snake on ho wisen.
2012 January, 23 2012 2012 Black Water Dragon Year February 4, 2012 2013 February, 10 2013 2013 Black Water Snake Year February 4, 2013http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDzdM53j41E
Well at least there is nothing else strange going on, like a 188 day black hole fly by call for the 26th on Yom Kippur or anything. Lol.
http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/daily-update-september-19-2012-affliction/
Surprised they didn't pour cement on her.
They can poor dry powder on her all they want. Call me when they have water and aggregate. Then it will be concrete and she'll really be in trouble.
Papering over a crisis?
HAHA BOOM! China is done. Should finally take out Europe, inflation/deflation chaos, confusion and markets that will make your eyes bleed.
But they will get ugly with Japan, no doubt there...
Gotta be a flash crash on the oil price
Maybe the Mid-East schedules put on fast-track?
Hardliners are liking this as the markets are revealing the vacuum beneath.
common what does the first pic of a the lady in red dress tripping have to do with this...
bah.
the video though is terrible yet rofl. Feel conflicted on that one. Ok, terrible.
"Face down-ass up-that's the way we like to f***."-2 Live Crew
and no film clip?
here punks http://youtu.be/5sc_nQiuDN0
is this about cashflow
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or china
Massive stimulus + tons of dirty crooks + crooked system = 333% increase in delinquent loans
Aussie bonds, and the currency are a pretty good S/T hold for the SNB, who probably sold all the shit to begin with, through their "Dutch clearing house"!
I guess the "build it and they will come "with the empty cities wasn't such a good idea after all.
Of course they are defaulting on their loans. You didn't expect them to make their loan payments and fuel the US housing recovery at the same time did you.
war drums:
*USD/KRW trades above 1123 as China class 3 military alert does rounds
Where are you getting this???
ZH?
*China has dispatched warships near Diaoyu Islands -Chosun
Yeah 2 frigates have arrived near the islands.
This is the best tell for an economy that is about to temper its tremendous growth, which has helped our Western world quite a bit over these decades. Nice report by PwC - really painful for Chinese private sector that will implode for another decade, for social unrest in the land itself...
You didn't make those loans go bad; the Japanese did!
Nobody could have seen his coming. The shadow banking system in China (now $1.8 trillion in theory, much less with defaults) only charges 5-10% per month compounded for all those 'huge downpayments' we all know Chinese put down on the poorly constructed homes they buy. Heck an economy growing at the mandated 8.88% should easily be able to generate that 75%+ per year vig. Has to be somebody else's fault.
What is this report trying to tell? I don't understand? No link of the source?
In other news, Gundlach got his shit stolen. You speak against Bernank, I fuck yo couch:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/jeffrey-gundlach-10-million-heist-santa-monica.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29
No source, no evidence.
Another piece of garbage from a hedge fund to short China. Not worth reading
Worth reading if you're short China.
The more who read, the more will short, making your argument null, void, and YOU'RE GETTING REASSIGNED!
It's to the eel farms with you.
OFF TOPIC :
Definitely worth a listen.
Prof. Sinn puts the record straight ... while Ms. Adler tries to argue about what he is supposed to have said :
Katya Adler speaks to Hans-Werner Sinn, one of Germany's most influential and controversial economists, about the country's role in resolving the Eurozone crisis.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00xzbqg/Hardtalk_HansWerner_Sinn_G...
BTW ... "Sinn" means "sense" ,.. as in "common sense"
I am 100% for what Prof. Sinn says.
they learned from the best LOL
maybe the fart-tard QEorganizer
can tell bQE to BUY some chinese backed "securities"
yes he can...he can buy those defaulted loans !! LOL !!!
its all kenyanomics-zimbabweanomics
Wait, Communists suck at collecting tax revenue?
You gotta be fuckin' kidding me!
didn't scary halloween hillary clinton
made a speech to some chinese president, like 2-3 years ago and said something like:
provide a "SECURITY" blanket to the chinese citizens so that they can TAKE RISKS (ie BORROW)
yes she was trying to get the chinese president to institute the CLINTONOMICS: I LEFT YOU WITH A SURPLUS.
surplus of bs...nice SURPLUS OF DEFAULTED LOANS !!! freaking idiots!!!!!!!! few days ago, at Walgreen's saw photo of bill clinton on Globe magazine...i couldn't help looking at it, it was right before check-out...anyways, bill clinton is said to be living on borrowed time..frail and weak...said to have undergone some cosmetics procedures for his appearance at the Demon-rat-ic convention...NO i didn't watch any of the fecal matter.
odummer = the REDISTRIBUTIONIST in THIEF
redistribute to the rich's PONZI SCHEME with his QEorganizer's 'abilities and talents' tells bQE
PRINT BABY PRINT
INFLATION BABY INFLATION for the peasants....
ROFLMAO...freaking hypocrite RAPIST REDISTRIBUTIONIST IN THIEF !!!
You're so incredibly witty, I wish you'd write more...
odleciec na Maksa
THE crisis is OVER! - said king Arthur kneeling in front of Guinevere. YES - added polubownie Sir Lancelot kneeling next to Arthur's knees:). AND this sword. That was standing between us, - US! - this time Lancelot really went over the board, and slightly dereaild the explanation being provided by the King. - We are going to shove into - YOUR sheathe!... and the whole hell just broke loose... The consort Queen was gaping open wide mouth on Sir Lancelot. - You've meant the sheath! - what gave her time to analise the set. What kind of show those two lovely guys are going to put up for me tognite I wonder... - said in her inners the queen. We were to blind to see it - said Arthur. And to proud to admitt it - added (this time in a normal way) Sir Lancelot. That sometimes - ... in a men's life - interrupted for the last time Sir eL. You realize that one man for one girl is not enogh - has finished the king.
Lut us face it. There are some people in the world that are holding pretty important policy in their hands. For example, those people live in Cina and decide about the demografhic policy.
So here is the thought... A law can be easily - weasly introduced. A girl can have more than one husband. Husband can have only one wife unless (exceptions for the rich guys). Demographic policy is that = one husband - one kid, two guys = two kids, three guys = ... everybody can cunt Chineese...
We did the NPL of the top 10 PRC banks to death last year - good catch by ZH. Essentially, nothing has changed and they haven't even begun to do the Fed's "Bad bank", "Good bank", "TBTF bank" musical chairs that end with dumping the bad loans under the carpet, and making currency confetti. Imo, they don't need to follow the Fed's model. They might just bankrupt the insolvent institutions, put a few 7.62mm holes in the heads their bankers and their delinquent debtors (Mostly local govt thieves who are leaving China in droves to Australia and the US), then start again. It's a one party system, just like everywhere else pretends not to be, and nobody is going to complain. (Probably). Few exceptions aside, the Chinese public are just as sheep-like as our public. (famous last words - hopefully).
Notwithstanding the fact that the NPLs are increasing -->CNY112.9 Billion = $17,910,681,800 in USD....Ummm, though I understand that credit proliferation in China, expressed as a percentage of Chinese GDP is north of 28.7%, $17+ billion, or multiples thereof, will not obliterate the Chinese economy....
Oh comme on. Even ZH claims that in China the ratio of non performing loans to all loans is well below the safe-net of 8%. The rules for the rich guys: 1. For a certain (insert the input) fee you may legalize your enterprisse by providing a document that all girs subscribing into your business revoke unconditionally their right to posses more than one husband and fall back onto the old law (only one guy for a girl allowed). 2. Additions to the crowd: a) Every girl coming into your enterprise needs to revoke unconditionally her right to posses more than one husband. We shall be happy to accept such recognition for the following fee (enter input). b) it is not clear whether some form of acceptance shall be needed from the female side of this enterprisse for a certain fee. 3. Substructions: a) Every girl in your enterprisse is allowed to leave on a free filing to the closest law enforcement agency (sheriff, post office, biblioteka). b) Her file can contain a financial claim that shall be judged (yeah lawyers ?== i wlasnie wtedz yawsye mi sie wlacya jeyzk programistz.
poydro
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That's nothing.....$80 billion gross on a $9 trillion economy.
Hard landing is turning into crash-landing
For those of you watching, that's the difference between "cement" and "concrete".
Oh, and PAPER TIGER, anyone? Why am I not surprised.