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China's Gold Imports From Hong Kong Surge to Highest Ever? - PBOC Buying?

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China's Gold Imports From Hong Kong Surge to Highest Ever‎ - PBOC Buying?

Gold’s London AM fix this morning was USD 1,641.00, GBP 1,063.51, and EUR 1,286.25 per ounce.

Yesterday's AM fix was USD 1,627.00, GBP 1,051.91, and EUR 1,271.49 per ounce.


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Demand for gold bullion in China continues to surge.

Mainland China's imports from Hong Kong surged to 102,779kg/oz from 86,299kg/oz in October. This is a 20% increase from the already high number seen in October and a 483% y/y increase.

The run into Chinese Lunar New Year has again seen higher than expected Chinese demand for gold and China's voracious appetite for gold is surprising even analysts who are positive about gold.

As Chinese people's disposable incomes gain and concerns grow over inflation and equity and property markets, Chinese consumers and investors are turning to gold as a long term investment hedge.

There is informed speculation that commercial Chinese banks may have taken advantage of the recent price dip to build stocks of coins and bars and accumulate bullion.

China's demand for physical gold bullion has rocketed past India with the country now overtaking India in the third quarter as the largest gold jewellery market according to the World Gold Council.

There is also informed speculation that some of the buying was from the People's Bank of China with one analyst telling Bloomberg that “there is always the possibility that some purchases were made by the central bank.”

As we've stated in the past, the PBOC is gradually diversifying their huge FX reserves and likely will announce upward revision of total gold reserves again in the coming months. Whether official buying is responsible for the huge surge in gold imports from Hong Kong is more difficult to ascertain The Chinese Central Bank does not release their figures on gold purchases.

As of June, 30, 2009, they held 33.59 million ounces or 1,054 tons. This is the 5th largest holding by country but some officials are on record with regard to Chinese aspirations to hold as much gold as the Federal Reserve's 8,100 tonnes of gold reserves.

What is particularly bullish about the import data is that there is a ban on exporting gold from China so gold bullion is in strong hands in China.

Platinum group metals rose a third straight day due to concerns on supply disruption in South Africa, as the national grid warned about extremely tight power supply in January.  The gold-platinum spread narrowed to just below $165 an ounce, its smallest in two weeks. The price of platinum has been lower than that of gold since September 2011, as gloomy economic outlook dampened sentiment on platinum, while gold's safe-haven appeal helped limit its price decline.


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Finally, markets were looking forward to a meeting between German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti later in the day in Berlin, while IMF's Christine Lagarde, is to meet French President Nicolas Sarkozy in Paris. Markets are also watching Spain and Italy’s plan to sell as much as EUR17 billion in debt on Thursday and Friday respectively.

The continuation of the eurozone crisis and risk of global financial contagion will continue to support gold's safe haven status.

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Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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No that's all wrong gold is tanking says MSNBC, FOX and Bloomberg.  It must be Soros and Paulson selling.  Nobody likes gold especially when the world is so stable.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Gold = 70% of US & Western Foreign reserves

Gold = 1.6% of China's.

So with China buying and P.A.G.E set to open in June, where's the pysical price going?

Plus there are atlest another dozen incredibly strong fundamental reasons to buy, while the ignorant MSM keeps repeating its in a bubble.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Badabing
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”No that's all wrong gold is tanking says MSNBC, FOX and Bloomberg.  It must be Soros and Paulson selling.  Nobody likes gold especially when the world is so stable.”

 

This is the way the spin doctors tell us its time to buy!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:45 | Link to Comment Turd Ferguson
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Whatever happened to Johnny Bravo?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:06 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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He lost a bet

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment tmosley
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I would bet he came back as RNR, and his descendent troll identities.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I don't know.  Bravo may have had a mean streak, but he didn't seem bitter.  Sometimes I could tell he was listening.  And he wanted to understand more than anything.  And make money.  That was the feeling I got.

I've always thought Dabolina was Bravo, but the other day he said he was from a different State.  They write similarly and have similar aspirations.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment Eally Ucked
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Maybe he is Master Bates

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:43 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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I found Johnny Bravo in Hong Kong:

 

Cage dogs of Hong Kong: The tragedy of tens of thousands living in 6ft by 2ft rabbit hutches - in a city with more Louis Vuitton shops than Paris

 

"These pictures by British photographer Brian Cassey capture the misery of people - some estimates put the figure as high as 100,000 - who are forced to live in cages measuring just 6ft by 2 1/2ft."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084971/Hong-Kongs-cage-homes-Tens-thousands-living-6ft-2ft-rabbit-hutches.html

 

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 16:27 | Link to Comment fourchan
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LETS all hope they dont see the real value pm, silver.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment mrgneiss
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He promised never to come back on Zero Hedge if gold ever hit $1450, some think he had to leave the country after getting a margin call on his often touted gold short.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Chump
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Yeah right, no one would give that 20 year old dork an options account!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment xela2200
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So it is PAGE finally opening? I thought the BOC didn't like the competition.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment tekhneek
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"Non-government run competition."*

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Campagnolo
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Chinese and Indians are buying at this right levels, they are no fools and won't wait for the 1400s, low 20 levels (that many are screaming out there) , no sir!. We may never see those prices again on our lifetime, instead we will see 2500 for gold and Silver, well, silver could start one of the greatest rallies. we are looking at the potential for the LARGEST TRIPLE-TOP BREAKOUT OF ALL TIME!, targeting   $80-$120 US confetti. 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment Vlad Tepid
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China seems to know which way the winds bloweth.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Rinse. Repeat. Once you start buying, you don't stop.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment Darth Silver
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Funny but true. Once people understand what money is they realize how scared shitless they should be to have excess cash in anything other than gold and silver. Tick tick tick. Coming soon to a lbma vault near you: Delivery, starring Ned Beatty. And yes there will be squealling

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:46 | Link to Comment dereksatkinson
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This doesn't include the gold they are buying directly from the mines within their own country either.  They aren't letting gold leave their country either.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:47 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Try reading next time "What is particularly bullish about the import data is that there is a ban on exporting gold from China so gold bullion is in strong hands in China."

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Just Observing
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Yep.....heard some clown on CNBC this morning saying "we don't recommend gold to our clients....we can't see what the value is in it".....and I thought "Yep.....you beat your clients out of 10% last year, and 20+  the previous year, and how much over the last decade ? "

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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10 year average = 17%.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:38 | Link to Comment Badabing
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Is that you Mr Copper?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Just another used stock salesman, trying to convince that stocks are where the real 'value' is. Of course thats ridiculous, in real terms stocks havent been axle deep stuck in the mud for over a decade. Gold is up from the $200's in late 90's x8 gain.

No 'value' in gold? Well I'd beg to disagree with him. How many stocks have gone to zero? Hundreds, thousands. 

How many times has gold gone to zero? Never.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Bindar Dundat
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Truth is you need balance. Cash gold and a few solid equities to feel safe in todays world. I have been lowering my cash and increasing my gold positions gradually over the last six months and I sleep well at night but gold may not be the end all if the real shit hits the fan and big brother comes to the game with guns. I like this little story and suggest you read it.

 

http://www.larryobrien.net/my-worst-fear/

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:50 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Same as it ever was.  Those who pursue purchasing power and a stronger voice, and simply more POWER in general, are pursuing and purchasing GOLD.  It has been so for thousands of years.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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China is buying way more Treasuries than gold.

Here we go again.

ES and EUR/USD sell off, gold goes down with it....

Ergo: Instantaneous, immediate, and urgent buying of "Uncle Gorilla" Paper commences.

Treasuries on the verge of another huge break out?

http://finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?t=ZB&cot=002602&p=d1

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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"China is buying way more Treasuries than gold."

3 Questions:

1.Which is more scarce?

2. Which is not a figment of the imagination?

3. And which is in the bubble?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment mrgneiss
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Of course China is buying more treasuries than gold.  US $100 billion is about 2000 tons of gold at current prices, 80% of total world annual gold production.  It doesn't take a genuis to figure out if China was to significantly switch from treasuries to gold, gold would be in the 5 digit range within a couple of months.

They are trying to buy as much gold as possible without significantly moving the market, and also trying to spend their soon to be worthless US dollars on other natural resource plays around the world.

I'm sure an astute trader like yourself has heard of the China gold put.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Eally Ucked
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Yes, of course but who buys them? Banks and FED? We have good example of european banks and ECB saturated in soverign debt paper and when the time comes we will be in the same situation.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:10 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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RoboTarder never met a bubble he didnt leg-hump black and blue. And he's now also turned outright liar, China data shows theyre selling UST's.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:06 | Link to Comment tmosley
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China is selling treasuries, dumbass.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Come on tom, don't feed the trolls.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment tmosley
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How else are we supposed to lead them to the slaughter?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment PaperWillBurn
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If they didn't buy treasuries they would not be able to purchase this much gold. The price would already be much higher. They buy because they must buy if they want to rise.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:11 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Its not so much China wants gold to rise, theyre just preparing for the dollars demise.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment PaperWillBurn
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If China wants to rise

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Oh.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment _underscore
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"China is buying way more Treasuries thna gold"

Eh?

What do you think the value of the Treasuries that China already holds if that (i.e. China bought more gold than Treasuries) were reversed?

Wouldn't that so spook the markets (well, everyone actually..) that the USD & collateral denominated in USD would plummet in value & gold would soar?

Even the merest sniff that China was divesting itself (or at least hedging against..) of USD assets would make those asset values nugatory & China wouldn't be

able to buy gold relatively cheap, as it does now.

 

 

I did think you spoke a good contrarian (for ZH at least) spiel RT, so always paid  a bit of heed to you, (as it's never good to just listen to opinions converging with one's own)

but I've revised your rating to Bbb now, next stop junk.. - sorry!

 

 

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment TGR
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Hong Kong is the perfect conduit for the flow of gold into the mainland: 17% VAT on physical in the mainland, 0% VAT on gold in Hong Kong, so the inbound flow of physical will only continue.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment achmachat
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are you SURE about that?

I buy gold in China for just a bit over spot (at the agricultural bank of china). where do those 17% fit in?

edit: real physical bullion. not some kind of gold account.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment TGR
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Yep. ICBC physical bullion in hand - 'price' is slightly over spot plus 17% VAT.

All bullion dealers in China must charge the 17% VAT by law.

The only way to skirt the 17% VAT is to stand for delivery in the Shanghai Gold Exchange, hold 'physical' in one of the key banks by way of an unallocated account backed by physical (but not redeemable in physical). or buy via HK.i

ABC would be no different - you could call them tomorrow morning to confirm...I would be checking your invoices from ABC...do you read Chinese? Check your exchange rates too.

 

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment achmachat
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they have their "fees" (per gram and transaction) but even on their site they don't mention taxes:

http://www.abchina.com/en/wealth-management/gold/ppgt/

 

edit: also all the pretty gold shops all over china that sell gold coins, bars and jewellery according to their daily price per gram, have a price which is under spot + 17%. And there is no additional tax on those purchases either.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment TGR
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How long have you been in China? Noone, ever, anywhere, on any product, mentions taxes. Its just a given, in-built, or tacked onto the invoice.

When I've bought from ICBC, they never at any point mention taxes. Its a given on the invoice, no alternatives. The bullion dealers all quote the RMB spot price as the going price...all of them...but have you ever gone through with a purchase? Doesn't sound like it, as the invoice must, by law, have the 17% factored in. Can't escape it.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment TGR
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I have bought physical on occassion here too, BTW, though it's not a wise or preffered route  given the uneccessary VAT and paperwork needed to exit stage left out of China.

I can see there are doubters re the VAT, don't know why, but check out the slides from a LMBA conference in May from Deloitte for confirmation. http://www.lbma.org.uk/assets/LBMABMF2011_S2_02Chin_en.pdf

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment achmachat
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thanks. will have a look.

(this summer I bought gold coins at a branch of ABC in Liaoning as a gift for family members there, and I really really don't remember that they added VAT)

 

your slides specify that it applies to "standard" gold (with the lowest one being 50grams). Could it be that those 10gram coins simply are not official "standard" gold bullion and thus exempt from VAT?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment TGR
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Possibly, but unlikely: standard gold is defined as AU9999, AU9995, AU999 and AU995 , and I know the VAT applies to all gold jewelry as well, irrespective of weight.

Given their weight specifications to define standard gold, you may be right. But at the same time, I know the bullion dealers still have to charge VAT on bars that are not defined within those six weight divisions too. I doubt you could get 9999 coins at spot, while 50gram and 100gram bars carried 17% VAT. That would make for a massively lopsided demand, given there would be zero incentive to ever buy a gold bar from the banks or dealers when you can get 9999 coins at spot. Will look into it. I hope you are right.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Have to disagree with a few posters above, LOP?

Gold has been the substance of abject greed amongst the rich and powerful for millenia. It has never been people's money, not even when it backed so called currency. As if currency was ever a limiting factor in whatever nefarious things a giovernment wanted to do.

Midas's tale is cautiionary for good reason. Like the sun, gold blinds. But like a full moon on a clear night, silver illuminates.

And even though this sounds broken recordish, 3-4-5 6.... all olympic swimming pool theories are bogus. Ever mined. What a load of shit. Like saying three jupiter sized baskets of apples have grown on earth since the first one.

goLd.... even th eword itself is loaded with import of a not good kind.

And then there was Yamashittalotta gold, phillipines, Japanese royal treasure.... on and on.

Careful.

And gold is heavily tainted with drugs. Just like diamonds.

ori

/an-opportunity-and-a-golden-warning/

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Pointless post above.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I tried to focus in on the "BLAH BLAH BLAH" part, but it was punctuated poorly...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Hmmmm, slippery hands.....

ori

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:12 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Well, we shall see eh pzow? It's months at most now for this arguement to be settled.

see how clever china is? Encourage people to buy and then forcibly repossess at a later date?

it's a CB play, gold, not common man. 

Riddle me this.Loan against gold is BOOMING here in India. B-OO-ming. Everywhere, big banks to Non Standard Banking Facilities (nice name for loan sharks).... Gold Loan. A Gold Loan company even went public late last year. Huge IPO.

What do you think is likely, that banks will lend against a rising commodity or a falling one? Which one allows them to confiscate? If the mega-trend was up, they would not lend against it. They lend happily against it just before th ecrash. We are of course talking multi-year trends.

Look at housing as a classic analogy. 

ori

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment HoofHearted
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So if they are loaning against gold (i.e. gold is the collateral for the loan), then it seems like those loaning out rupees against someone else's gold are hoping to confiscate the gold. In the US we call this pawning. And notice how the hackers have taken over pwn to mean owning someone. Probably nothing to do with pawn, but curious nonetheless.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Precisely. These guys will loan against a soon to crash commodity, so they own it. In an endlessly rising price, the loan is risk-free for the borrower. 

It's really simple. Really.

ori

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment HoofHearted
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Why would you do this? You should wait until it crashes and then buy it at a low price rather than loaning against this collateral at the high price. This is exactly why so many US banks own houses that they don't want right now. Smart people would pick stuff up when it is at the bottom of price range.

I'm not following your line of thinking at all.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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You have to try not thinking first.  Clear the mind...and then delete all.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:35 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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"Forcibly repossess" minute quantities from a billion or so individual people - REALLY!

Ok, they accept your gold and give you paper - who is the smart one in thgis transaction?

If the price drops, the bank calls you and tells you to post more gold, if not, its theirs!

And are you actually attempting to compare homes to gold - you lose what little credibility you had.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:08 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Ok Plad and below, work with me.

When massive amounts of cheap money is doled out to buy an asset that is currently considered high, what are these loaners thinking? Running a clean business lending cheap money on an asset that they cannot confiscate because the price will Quiintuple in a year or a month?

And yes millions of people. Gold Loan Companies are one of India's growth businesses (along with cancer hospitals).

"s. But all that is fast changing with the upper middle class also opting for this 'loan of convenience'. The uncertainty in real estate andequity markets has made gold an attractive investment and that, in turn, is making gold loans a convenient option.


Industry pegs the amount of gold in Indian households at close to 20,000 tonnes, of which less than 1% has been monetized by the organized sector. Most gold loan companies boast of a year-on-year growth of over 80% in their loan books, with a growing percentage of the demand coming from places beyond south India, where gold loans have been popular. The gold loan market in the North, which is less than a decade old for most of these companies, already has an over 20% share of the industry.

"Gold loans up till now had been a monopoly of the South. But today, we have branches in north which have lent huge amounts of gold, even surpassing some of them in the south," said GeorgeAlexander Muthoot, MD, Muthoot Finance, among the largest players in this business with 3,400 branches across the country. The company, on a drive to increase its footprint across India, says it would not be long before it has a matching presence in the North, compared to 2,100 branches in the South. The company's assets under management were estimated at Rs 22,000 crore in November, compared to Rs 20,800 crore in September.

Manappuram Finance, another prominent player in this business, reported similar growth with AUMs of Rs 10,500 crore at the end of September, from Rs 9,000 in June. "Growth has been great in the past five years because of the rising gold prices. People hedge themselves against risks by way of gold loans. In case of any commodity, when prices go up, demand falls. In case of gold, it is the opposite. This is keeping investor sentiment high," said I Unnikrishnan, the company's managing director.

Experts say the gold loan trend will grow as gold prices remain high. "Earlier, people pawned shares or physical assets like land. But now gold is an asset that can be converted into cash anytime. People have a feeling that gold prices will continue to increase and this will continue to boost demand for gold loans. Plus, gold loans have a national reach now, so the concept is very much prevalent," said Gnanasekar Thiagirajan, director of market consultancy firm, Commtrendz Research."

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So, does that sound like housing or not? 

As more people's other credit loans, with flexible rates balloon, they will gold loan..... the squeeze will come when the crossover between monthly servicing of outstanding cash loans (the same class in deeply in the hock, house, car, White goods, Holiday Plans,...mostly taken on variable rate loans)...meets a falling gold price. And fall it must. There are far more than 3 Olympic sized pools of the pure stuff above ground.

Faaaaaaaaaaar more. Where did they estimate that 20,000 tonne amount from? All hogwash.

But it is a gold shit-storm in th emaking, as they will kill the price to own physical.

I think the scenario above is very high probability, given what I see on the ground.

ori

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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No mas mierda, por favor!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:52 | Link to Comment _underscore
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With all due respect ori, that looks illogical.  What use is the 'confiscated' asset if it's fallen in value (in your scenario)?

"Look at housing as a classic analogy" -  But do you think banks wanted to lose money on sub-prime (and property in general) so they could get bail-out funds?

A bank would much rather hold good assets as collateral than bad - even in our crazy world.

This isn't to say we won't/don't have a bubble/crash, but if the banks/loan companies thought that they would make sure a falling price benefited them - so they would buy US$?

 

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment riphowardkatz
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Pointless? That is where you are wrong. Post cryptic non-sense followed by link to blog. Watch traffic go from 3 to 30 as people try and decipher. There was definetly a point.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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'If men cease to believe that they will one day become gods then they will surely become worms.
Henry Miller'

My friend, don't take this away from men. Man lives in Fiat-ville, he needs to come back down to  Earth. From there all things are possible...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:19 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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I don't know how you can diagree with what I said, considering I never said gold was "money". Gold has always maintained purchasing power, period.  Come on ORI, everything in the human construct that is eCONomics is tainted by greed as it is all about maintaining control over others through "wealth".  Mother Nature and the laws of physics don't give a shit and always win in the end.  Regarding your response, you may be right in so much as gold will be the mechanism by which the next great theft (through revaluation) occurs.  Once all the gold is in the "right" hands, it will occur. Same as it ever was.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Okay, I scanned the posts before writing what I did. Hasty perhaps. My point though is that Gold, in particular has a long and chequered history of never enriching the common man. The India example is valid. Everyone always spoke of India's vast, distributed gold holdings. i'm watching it being sucked up, as people splurge on Motorcycles and shitty apartments and baubles. And repaying rapacious loans they took out on a tractor they did not need, a wedding they could not really afford etc. 

But the point remains, ne? Gold will not do the common person any good. 

Perhaps everyone here is un-common.

And is three swimming pools a necessary part of the $50,000 an ounce story or not?

And yes Eally, oil is tainted too, which is why I believe the end of the age of oil is near too. 

ori

I'm wedded to neither gold, not silver, nor land.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:36 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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'I'm wedded to neither gold, not silver, nor land.'

Me neither. However my birth placed me into an arranged marriage with FIAT. I just like this fling I'm having though. I consider it a passing phase, like all of life. Plus, this bitch won't sign the divorce papers so I'm given no choice...

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Eally Ucked
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I don't want to attack you but I would like to know what is your philosophy. No gold, silver, oil, land, what is your idea of surviving this shit? It's in nature of human being to position himself or herself in the way that they assume they can outlast perceived, coming disasters and they do it in thousands different ways depending on region they live in. This is our atavistic instinct. And what is yours? Nothing? Nihilism....... 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Thanks for asking Eally.

This is my way... the fifth way...

 

Know Thy “Self” JUNE 14, 2010

Greetings,

Picking up from where I left off yesterday, I’d like to touch upon what is going to be a core current through this blog. The most ancient aphorism, one that every teacher worth their salt, from every religious/spiritual/gnostic/agnostic school, exhorted their students/apprentices/monks towards:

Know Thyself.

Read together, which we tend to do to most compound words, misses the point completely. Ouselves, Myself, yourself, themself……

What is really implied is Know Thy Self.

A little dissection changes..

More @know-thy-self/

And this practise... super em-powering... and it free... anyone can do it...

/my-practice-spiral/

The more I know my Self, the clearer the distinction between needs and wants, the simpler life becomes. Also, you cut through the BS really easily. Like constantly weilding occam's razor on life. 

The Rest just falls in place. It's the dendritic levers of attachments that keep us off balance.

kind of like being the tip of Michaelangelo's Chisel, knowing just what needed to be going to ex-pose David.

It's really all about balance.

ori

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Eally Ucked
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Sorry Ori, I'm of western origin and implementing eastern models of mental balance is a bit difficult. I understand that many westerners look into it as the escape route from needs and stresses of normal life, mainly very rich guys or very poor ones without families, but I'm not rich and I have family and they don't want to accept that philosophy of finding richess in contolling their minds, they have different goals. I'm getting old and maybe I will follow your advice at the end of my life as escape from that shit, what else I can do? Is it common in India? 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Eally, totally understand. And this is the most "Guru-ed" generation ever in India. TV gave them a grandstand. That is the manufactured side.

But overall, India is probably on the high side of the seeker per 1,00,000 people index. Having ancient history on a land is really quite empowering, which is why the elite turned the workforce mobile and funded white elephant airline companies so that two-wrists could travel. I found my groove in the US though. :-) T'was awesome. Led me right back.

Thanks Open Secret...

http://www.opensecretbookstore.com/

ori

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Eally ORI is suggesting living on the streets like Sadhus begging and smoking pot for enlightenment.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 15:30 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Haaaah, hardly Temporalist. And surprised you missed the logic upthread. old game, re-play.

a-slice-of-my-life-in-pictures/ 

 

Sadhu on the street? 

Hardly.

ori

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:45 | Link to Comment riphowardkatz
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What a bizarre world view considering Steve Jobs, Sam Walton, Bill Gates, James J Hill,  and the list goes on and on.  I realize you may not be aware of how a common man can gain power in this country but it happens frequently. Granted with regulations and malvolent philosophy make this more difficult but facts just dont support your world view.

And what are you wedded to besides posting links to your blog and bizarre powers that be conspiracy theories.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment Eally Ucked
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You disagree with some posters about what? Oil is tainted with drugs and blood too? What was the point?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Exactly.  Welcome to the world we have made for ourselves.  ORI, of all people should understand this.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Okay, perhaps different world view so different connotations. All good eally. It's an endlessly circular discussion otherwise.

I'm a leaver, not a taker.

ori

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment bigerny
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(It's nice to read an exchange of ideas on this board that isn't full of insults and intolerance for those who disagree.)

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:09 | Link to Comment youngman
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"There is informed speculation that commercial Chinese banks may have taken advantage of the recent price dip to build stocks of coins and bars and accumulate bullion."

I have said before..as we the Western world "play" with our paper gold....the Asian will buy up all the real metal..and in the end..we will have paper..they will have the power

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:25 | Link to Comment HoofHearted
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It's the old golden rule...he who has the gold makes the rules.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:23 | Link to Comment orkneylad
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Can't help but think of the boardroom speech from 'Network' . . . . they've taken all the paper, and now they must give it back.  What better way than to pump gold via a crisis in greenbacks/euros and have China send the paper back at its own huge expense.  But heck, what do I know?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:28 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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"the PBOC ... likely will announce upward revision of total gold reserves again in the coming months."

Nope.  Not unless the price explodes to the point of being cost prohibitive to acquire substantially more on the open market, or the big boys sit down to rehash their last global currency fuckup.  But what can expect when reports are sourced to the "informed speculation" of "one analyst" who remains conveniently anonymous and ignorant.  

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Gold to finish the NY day at $1625.  It will move $50 to the upside tomorrow.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment PaperBear
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Silver must be up to I would imagine but thanks to silver being so undervalued the pressure on the alleged manipulators must be enormous.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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There are a lot of short positions a hair under $25

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 11:32 | Link to Comment chinaguy
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Gold bouncing yesterday & today off of the 200 DMA of $1641 needs to move or fail

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment 847328_3527
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How Barbaric!

The PRC is up to sum'thin....telling their people to buy gold...and now this!?

Would Buffet call the Chinese Barbarians?

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