China's Yield Curve Inversion Signals Sharp Slowdown Ahead

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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:35 | 1857730 Deadpool
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interesting.....the little growth engine that couldn't lead the world stalling. deflation in industrial metals, inflation in monetary metals. Good!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:40 | 1857772 disabledvet
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From "sudden debt" to "sudden default." of course once you start you "can't put it down."

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:17 | 1858502 Hard1
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"Buckle belt seat. You are please brace landing hard for".



Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:03 | 1857903 Ethics Gradient
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Speak to Hugh Hendry. Actually, don't. I imagine he's spent the past twelve hours orgasming at the amount of money he's made. I can't imagine he'll be very coherent at the moment.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 17:19 | 1858274 Divided States ...
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Darda turning less bullish? Thats a change!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:21 | 1857984 mirac
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maybe...but avoid those gold stocks that have a large copper component in its sales.  Gold and Silver may go down with the ship.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 21:37 | 1859116 philipat
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Unlike in the "democratic" United Corporatocracy of America, China can, and does, move very quickly. They are already reversed into stimulus mode via injections of liquidity into the (Largely State owned) Banking system. Incidentally, they have USD 3 Trillion in reserves to play with.

PS. The Central Bank of China now appears to be buying Gold instead of Green paper, which should be of more concern to Tim and Ben.

PPS I wonder when Chanos' China shorts start to expire?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:41 | 1857738 GeneMarchbanks
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Sharp slowdown? A ... a crash?

Great use of red arrows...

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:36 | 1857745 Dr. Engali
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The market is whistling passed the grave yard. California could be blown off the map and the market would still ramp up.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:36 | 1857746 sodbuster
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Our bond markets are even MORE manipulated than the Chinese. How pathetic the US has become!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:38 | 1857755 Withdrawn Sanction
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Pretty tough nut for the US to have an inverted yield curve when the short end's at zero.  Flat maybe, but a recession just the same.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:43 | 1858094 hedgeless_horseman
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Tough nut is right!  Especially when the oil needed to loosen said tough nut on economic engine is at $116.90 on the spot market. 

Louisiana Light Sweet Crude Oil Spot Price of $116.90

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:40 | 1857758 DormRoom
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And yet the S&P is 20% away from its all time high with unemployment >9%, 40M on foodstamps, slowdown across most industries, EZ about to implode, and Iran-Israel war imminent.




If the VIX is a fear index.  The S$P has become a speculation index, and detached from the real economy.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:41 | 1857776 AndrewJackson
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I agree 100%. I tell myself this same thing every day.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:48 | 1858124 hedgeless_horseman
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Do understand the S&P500 is priced in dollars, and the difference between real rate of return versus nominal rate of return.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:12 | 1857940 centerline
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Charles Hugh Smith nailed it earlier. The stock market, credit markets, etc. are all just life-support for munis / retirement funds. Otherwise, the bread and circuses would end quickly. The real action is in the bond markets / FX nonsense.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:42 | 1857769 walküre
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When China stalls, the BDI should fall off a cliff. It's holding pretty steady still.

They can't manipulate shipping rates and shipping volume. That's where the rubber hits the road, where the metal hits the water literally.

Lots of new ships came online this year as well.

One of Germany's leading economic advisory board just revised their growth for Germany down. Recession in Europe is now inevitable. Most here believe the US never got out of the last one.

NO FURTHER EASING. GREATEST DEPRESSION FULL SPEED AHEAD. (and that is exactly what they had planned all along).

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:45 | 1857801 Let them eat iPads
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That doesn't look very steady at all.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:41 | 1857775 EZT
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Now they need to bomb Iran, keep up industial metals, and oil.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:43 | 1857784 SheepDog-One
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Looking at todays indexes, it seems to me the only game around is to trip as many stop losses as possible all day. 

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:43 | 1857788 jcaz
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Bonds never lie.....  Love it when yields invert in a freaky banking system.....

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:44 | 1857796 DormRoom
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Go to the economics history books.  No nation has been able to coordinate a soft landing after a property bubble.  All property bubble bursts have resulted in a hard landing.  If China can do it, she may be the first, but suffer other externalities.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:46 | 1857805 Nemo01
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The market will take this bullish. It's the sign it has been waiting for - just look at what happened last time it inverted....

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:49 | 1857819 disabledvet
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It stands to reason that this is a direct result of the very real reality of a sudden default of the entirety of Italian debt. As has been reported China is a major holder of euro-denominated debt the annihilation of which is entirely calculable by the bond market in the form of an inverted yield curve followed by a recession. There is no substitute for diversification either in one's personal portfolio or just as importantly in how government in fact collect tax revenues. The bottom line is that the total reliance on Wall street for government revenue has been a total disaster for both. The only person I see setting the right example (finally!) is Jamie Dimon. His job is to talk with the Russian Oligarchs...not Congress.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 15:55 | 1857853 YesWeKahn
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They print more than Bernanke, no worry in that front.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:00 | 1857879 Shizzmoney
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And yet the S&P is 20% away from its all time high with unemployment >9%, 40M on foodstamps, slowdown across most industries, EZ about to implode

The bigger this thing gets, the harder the eventual fall.  I mean, we ALL know the market "push" is fake.

Unles Iran bombs Jerusalem.  Then the bull run continues.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:07 | 1857922 moskov
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There are millions of Chinese are waiting for the property crash so that they can afford the housing as many as they, it will be a political suicide if Chinese government doesn't tackle the housing bubble before next year's change of power. The demand of property is still strong, but most of the people are waiting with their cash for the sudden drop of property prices.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:11 | 1857938 Archimedes
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Wait! Am I high or did Tyler just give kudos to that Sleezeball Darda?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:14 | 1857955 Stax Edwards
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This TD loves the white backgrounds on his terminal

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:14 | 1857956 chump666
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more bear signals out of China.  big one last mth/s or so was large CNY selling out of China and HK.  That is a classic example of a liquidity squeeze.  China's crash is coming, property through to developers to banks then finally local councils. going to be brutal

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:15 | 1857960 youngandhealthy
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Talk is cheap....! If ROW is going down...of course China will "talk down their currency too" (ref. FT article this morning)

Washington get their punishment now....don't call China a cheater...U will suffer. Fair? not if U ask me...but this is the world now.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:18 | 1857971 chump666
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...that and all asian countries trade surplus are narrowing/pmi slowing, iron ore orices collpasing, copper trading lower.   

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:18 | 1857973 Dedwards
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Acapulco cliff dive, anyone?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:19 | 1857976 chump666
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and someone please tell the dumb ass momo traders of wall street that italy's 10yr will hit the default range of 7% in 48 hrs.,.f*cking greedy rogue traders.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:47 | 1858102 youngandhealthy
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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 16:45 | 1858101 El Viejo
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Lets see when did it happen to US?  Was it June of 2008? This time we have too many looking at it so it could happen sooner.

When fear is rampant the markets become neurotic.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 17:50 | 1858398 SILVERGEDDON

HFT ain't good for me. CDS's gonna make some messes. TBTF gonna fall off a cliff. Wall Street is dead meat. Banks so bold layin' dead and cold. Gonna be prepper people, and the rest of the Sheeple. God bless this mess. I'm a poet, and didn't know it.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 21:48 | 1859177 sneering nihilist
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this is why i still come here everyday. thanks.

Wed, 11/09/2011 - 10:13 | 1860543 dylan1
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Hi Dylan,

Would like to know which instruments are you using to find out that the yield curve is inverted, are these 2 year and 10yr cny currency futures Thanks.


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 16:14 | 1867349 Chestire
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There is the unlikely probability of underwriting restriction in 2s4s given new Ministry of Finance guidelines:

Is liquidity (for these maturities) at risk? 

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