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Chris Martenson Explains How Gold Is Manipulated... And Why That's Okay

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Submitted by Chris Martenson

Gold Is Manipulated (But That's Okay)

The price of gold is being actively managed by central planners and their proxies. The main culprit here appears to be the US authorities, as the manipulation is most apparent in the US open gold market. For the most part, this 'management' has resulted in letting the price of gold rise, but not too much, or too quickly. 

The price of gold has always been an object of interest for governments and central bankers. The reason is simple enough to understand: Gold is an objective measure of the degree to which fiat money is being managed well or managed poorly.

As such, whenever paper money is being governed poorly, the price of gold becomes an important barometer. And this is why the actual price of gold is a strong candidate to be 'managed.' Or 'influenced'. Or 'manipulated'. Whichever word you prefer, they all convey the same intent.

Some who are reading this are likely having an eye-rolling moment because they hold a belief that there is no conspiracy to manage the price of gold.

This is an interesting belief to hold because it runs heavily against the odds. It's similar to holding the belief that the house in Vegas does not have a statistical advantage.  

We could spend a lot of time discussing how a belief such as 'gold is not being manipulated' gets promoted and inserted into the popular consciousness, but we won't. Instead, we'll simply note that the people who hold this belief -- and you may be among them -- react to the concept at a visceral level, often with strong emotions such as anger or contempt, and even anxiety.

When a strong emotional response surfaces during a conversation of ideas, it usually means that beliefs are in play -- neither facts nor logic. Experience has taught me that when someone becomes dismissive or angry or hostile when the idea of price manipulation is discussed, it's best to simply drop the conversation and move on. No combination of logic or facts is effective against a deeply-held belief. It's better to wait until some new evidence calls that belief into question, opening the door for revisiting the topic.

But for those with an open mind, there is a very interesting trail of dots to connect.

The Logic of Gold Price Management

Unlike beliefs, opinions can be discussed and even modified without first running through an emotional thicket. They rest on data and ideas that can be consciously accessed and are therefore easier to change. 

It is my opinion that the price of gold is being actively managed and/or overseen by official parties. On a strictly qualitative level, I hold this opinion because if I ever found myself in charge of a system of money rooted in confidences, as is our current fiat regime, I would consider the active management of the price of gold one of my fiduciary responsibilities.

Gold is an important signaling mechanism, and our entire money system is faith-based. Of course anything and everything that could cast doubt on that system would be controlled if it could be controlled.

To emphasize the point: If gold were suddenly to spike up to $5,000 an ounce, all sorts of troubling questions would emerge for people. Such as, is there something wrong with the dollar? Is the world falling apart? A rapid spike in the price of gold would certainly cause people to question the current state of the world of fiat money, and that is an unpardonable sin when your money is, at root, faith-based.

Instead of asking why do you think the price of gold is controlled? I ask, why do you think the price of gold is NOT controlled?

Managed Prices and Signals

Aside from my opinion that our faith-based fiat money system mandates the management of the price of gold as a matter of fiduciary responsibility for those in power, here are some other facts that we have in our possession:

  • The quantity of money is managed
  • The price of money is managed (via interest rates)
  • Because interest rates are being managed (mangled?) to near zero, it means risk tolerances and preferences are being managed towards taking on higher risk
  • The price of oil is openly managed, with strategic releases from time to time
  • The price of food and energy are managed via subsidies, both direct and hidden
  • Official statistics (e.g., GDP. inflation, employment) are heavily biased, massaged, and managed to tell a rosy story vs. a more realistic version, which means that perceptions are managed

Out of all these efforts, certainly the one with the most dramatic impact is the management of the price of money. That sets the stage for nearly every ill that follows, especially including the encouragement of taking on additional risk and the inevitable malinvestments that result.

Bernanke on the Fed’s Interest in Stocks

In a Wall Street Journal op-ed, Bernanke openly revealed something that was already obvious to many: The Fed has been very carefully following the equity markets because of the importance of rising stock prices in fostering consumer spending. That is, the stock market is a signaling device, and the Fed is, naturally, quite interested that it signal the correct things.

More bluntly, the Fed is interested in seeing the stock market go up instead of down.

Here’s Bernanke in an op-ed placed in the Washington Post back in 2010 discussing the effects of QE2:

This approach eased financial conditions in the past and, so far, looks to be effective again. Stock prices rose and long-term interest rates fell when investors began to anticipate the most recent action. Easier financial conditions will promote economic growth.

For example, lower mortgage rates will make housing more affordable and allow more homeowners to refinance. Lower corporate bond rates will encourage investment. And higher stock prices will boost consumer wealth and help increase confidence, which can also spur spending. Increased spending will lead to higher incomes and profits that, in a virtuous circle, will further support economic expansion.


Yes, Virginia, the Fed does watch stock prices closely. And it targets their efforts to assure that the ‘virtuous circle’ is in play. No real surprise there.

Given that big list of managed prices and signals, with literally nothing left untouched because of the price-of-money effect, we are again left to wonder how likely it is that anything has escaped the attention and efforts of our well-meaning (but certainly misguided) central planners.

To my view, gold is simply far too important to be left to its own devices. The evidence strongly suggests that it indeed has not been.

Evidence for Price Manipulation

Critics of the idea of price manipulation might scoff and ask, if gold is manipulated, as you say, then how do you account for the 590% price increase over the past 11 years?

The idea here is that if gold were manipulated or controlled, there's no way it would have 'been allowed" to increase by that much.

In the above chart, we can see that gold has been in a remarkably steady run for the past three years. It is almost as if a ruler has been drawn under the price of gold, which has rarely deviated by much from that trajectory.

Certainly some might argue that this is an extremely poor piece of data in support of the idea that the price of gold has been manipulated, unless we want to argue that it has been manipulated upwards to rise nice and steadily (like air being slowly pumped into a balloon).

A fair point, perhaps, yet it is one that not only completely falls apart, but bolsters the case for price suppression when we examine the price action of gold in the daily vs. the overnight markets.

Note in this next chart that if one simply bought gold and held it only during the open and close of the US daily fix, one would have lost 70% of one’s money during the same period of time that gold rose in price by more than 500%.

As the chart above shows, the performance is dismal. For example, take a hypothetical gold investment fund starting with $100m in 2001, use it to buy gold only at the US AM fix and sell at the US PM fix until the present, and it would now be left with just $31 million, almost a 70% loss in just under ten years. Over the same time period, gold prices have risen over 590%.

Here we might ask a simple question: How is it possible that an asset that rose across all world markets by more than 500% fell during active trading in the most important market of them all (by volume) by 70%?

Trading is a zero-sum game, and for every winner there is a loser. Who was it that lost so much money in the daily markets fighting a tide that lifted the golden boat by more than 500%? How can there be such an uninterrupted series of losses for gold during this period?

There's a trading maxim that goes like this: Once a trend is established, other traders will identify that trend and either ride it or step out of the way. That is, sooner or later the trend stops, because too many people have caught onto it and its profitability gets traded down to zero. Yet selling gold into the daily market has been a sure-fire winner for over an entire decade.

For gold to have fallen so much during the daily market, yet be up overall, simply means that gold must be up strongly in the overnight markets. Indeed, this is the case.

We can easily see the startling difference in the chart below. It compares the results of a simple 'buy and hold' investment in gold over the past ten years vs. a more active (and clever) strategy that both shorts gold during the daily hours and then buys gold long for the overnight session:


This strategy captures both the daily losses and nightly gains into a single, combined monster gain that has returned over 5,000% over the past decade with very few drawdowns, handily beating the price of gold itself by a factor of ten.

Again, how is it possible for a single strategy to be such a reliable winner without being competed away to zero? A very simple explanation is that an entity that does not care about potential losses simply and reliably sells gold into the daily markets.

After a while, the self-reinforcing aspect of this behavior might entice other market participants to join along and sell into the daily markets. However, even if that were the case, in order to be neutral (as all trading eventually has to be) these positions would eventually have to be bought back. And given the fact that gold has risen by more than 500% over this timeframe, there would be no safe time to do this outside of the daily session. 

So the question persists: Who has been selling into this market, and how large are their positions? Put more bluntly, how much gold is actually left in Fort Knox? Alternatively, just what exactly is contained within the $180 billion “other assets” line on the Fed balance sheet? Deeply underwater gold futures positions, perhaps?

Prior Known Efforts at Manipulation

One other daunting challenge to the idea that gold is not being manipulated is that such a thought requires us to presume that all the past known and proven efforts at gold manipulation are just that: in the past.

One thing I know is that when a tool has proven to be effective -- whether it is secretive liquidity injections by the Fed, or MBS purchases -- that tool tends to get used again and again, and in increasing amounts if called for. That is, what works is never dropped; it is merely set aside when not needed.

The best we could argue here is that gold truly has no legitimate signaling mechanism at present, and therefore controlling its price has been set aside. For now…

Or, if we believe that gold indeed has an important signaling function, it becomes all the more difficult to argue that its price is simply left to ‘the market’ to set.

One example:

On June 3, 1975, Fed Chairman Arthur Burns, sent a "Memorandum For The President" to Gerald Ford, which among others CC:ed Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and future Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, discussing gold, and specifically its fair value, a topic whose prominence, despite former president Nixon's actions, had only managed to grow in the four short years since the abandonment of the gold standard in 1971.

In a nutshell Burns' entire argument revolves around the equivalency of gold and money, and furthermore points out that if the Fed does not control this core relationship, it would "easily frustrate our efforts to control world liquidity" but also "dangerously prejudge the shape of the future monetary system."


Furthermore, the memo goes on to highlight the extensive level of gold price manipulation by central banks even after the gold standard has been formally abolished. The problem with accounting for gold at fair market value: the risk of massive liquidity creation, which in those long-gone days of 1975 "could result in the addition of up to $150 billion to the nominal value of countries' reserves."


One only wonders what would happen today if gold was allowed to attain its fair price status. And the threat, according to Burns: "liquidity creation of such extraordinary magnitude would seriously endanger, perhaps even frustrate, our efforts and those of other prudent nations to get inflation under reasonable control."


Aside from the gratuitous observation that even 34 years ago it was painfully obvious how "massive" liquidity could and would result in runaway inflation and the Fed actually cared about this potential danger, what highlights the hypocrisy of the Fed is that when it comes to drowning the world in excess pieces of paper, only the United States should have the right to do so. 


If the price of gold was not ‘controlled,’ monetary policy outcomes would have been somewhat removed from the direct control of monetary bureaucrats. Gold was a threat to an institution dedicated to increasing its effectiveness and power. To give up the battle to control the price of gold, we have to presume something that has never happened in history: the willing abandonment of bureaucratic power to an outside force. 

There is also the London Gold Pool of 1969 and the strong dollar policy of the 1980s, which reveal that in the past, the price of gold has been officially monitored and controlled in order to help direct either a desired interest rate or dollar strength outcome.

From Wikipedia:

The London Gold Pool was the pooling of gold reserves by a group of eight central banks in the United States and seven European countries that agreed on 1 November 1961 to cooperate in maintaining the Bretton Woods System of fixed-rate convertible currencies and defending a gold price of US$35 per troy ounce by interventions in the London gold market.


The central banks coordinated concerted methods of gold sales to balance spikes in the market price of gold as determined by the London morning gold fixing while buying gold on price weaknesses. The United States provided 50% of the required gold supply for sale. The price controls were successful for six years when the system became no longer workable because the pegged price of gold was too low, runs on gold, the British pound, and the US dollar occurred, and France decided to withdraw from the pool. The pool collapsed in March 1968.


The London Gold Pool controls were followed with an effort to suppress the gold price with a two-tier system of official exchange and open market transactions, but this gold window collapsed in 1971 with the Nixon Shock, and resulted in the onset of the gold bull market which saw the price of gold appreciate rapidly to US$850 in 1980.


The point here is that gold price suppression is a clear matter of history at this point and has been well studied. Somehow I think some people have forgotten that history and, quite oddly, consider it less likely that gold suppression is happening today than in the past. I say oddly because the number of overt market interventions has been increasingly enormously over the past few years, and one might think this would soften opposition to the idea that gold, too, is being actively targeted. 

Supply and Demand

So, if the price of gold is subject to manipulation -- or influence or control, if you prefer those terms instead -- in a way that reliably holds the price in check, then why should we buy it? In a few important ways, it's because of the very fact that gold remains the subject of so much official concern and secrecy.

The laws of supply and demand tell us that anything with a cheaper-than-market price will experience stronger-than-usual demand. In the case of gold, we might suspect that purchases of gold have been bolstered by a weaker-than-otherwise price. 

Among those benefiting from buying cheaper-than-otherwise gold would be anyone and everyone who has bought gold lately. Private and official purchasers alike have been getting a very good price, indeed. Where you and I can be thankful for less expensive gold as we add to our holdings, so, too, can India and China be pleased at the national level.

If a future gold standard is in the works, then whoever has the gold at that point in time wins. To any given nation, official gold stocks held by the central banks represent just one stock of gold, with that held by private parties representing another. India has always had a robust domestic gold market and is among the strongest of the strong hands. Gold goes into India and just never seems to come back out.

China legalized and then modernized the gold market for its citizens, and gold sales there have been increasingly robust over time. Germany recently faced a 'call from within' to repatriate the gold that is currently held in its name in reserve by the New York Fed, perhaps channeling the concern that said gold would be safer within its own borders than in the US.

Given the confidence-shaking rehypothecation fraud perpetrated by MF Global, a bit of caution on the part of foreign concerns regarding the US's trustworthiness is warranted.

All told, we are seeing a very interesting game play out around gold, and my suspicion is that it is the possibility of eventual re-monetization that motivates some of the moves. If this comes to pass, the gold price suppression will prove to be a most unfortunate mistake, providing short-term political and market cover for excessive money printing while sacrificing long-term advantage to those taking the other side of the suppression trade.


In Part II: How High and When to Sell?, we explore the most likely price targets for gold under the scenarios that we believe are most likely to play out over the coming years. Equally as important as understanding where the price will go is knowing when the time has arrived to exchange your appreciated gold for other assets. We investigate both, as well as which asset classes to start tracking now in expectation of rotating into them with your gold proceeds when appropriate.

Click here to access Part II of this report (free executive summary; enrollment required for full access).


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Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:29 | 2298497 battle axe
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And another rigged market...Great. /sarc

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:31 | 2298507 Seorse Gorog fr...
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Damn, you're quick at reading!

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:48 | 2298558 maxmad
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Same reason inmates are forced to wear the leg chains, they'll let you walk slow-but not run.....

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:08 | 2298600 The Alarmist
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"Getting' me some water, boss!"

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:14 | 2298626 Bananamerican
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"and it shall be a sign unto is currently at 1,666"

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:38 | 2299193 SilverTree
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Many people do not know the connection between gold and the state of a fiat currency even exists. Nor do they care.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 05:41 | 2299904 GetZeeGold
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Remember when equities were up year after year for 11 years?


Yeah......I don't either.


You can have your food stamps......I'll take the subsidized gold.......rock on Benny!

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:51 | 2299213 bernorange
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Chris is doing some fantastic work.  Definitely one of bernornage's thousand points of light.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:49 | 2298560 idea_hamster
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The price of money is managed (via interest rates)

Actually, the "price of money" is not the interest rate.  The interest rate is the price of time, i.e., someone is willing to give up their money for a period of time in exchange for interest.

The price of money is the price level.  Which is to say, if you want to hold money, you must give up the current option of purchasing anything.


Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:19 | 2298646 trembo slice
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Well, the interest rate is the price to borrow money.  The reason I like this definition better is because interest rates increase or decrease based on the availability of loanable funds (in a pure market).

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 19:22 | 2299061 LawsofPhysics
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Wrong. You are too old school, where the money being lent actually existed in someone's account. The money being lent today is created out of thin air and according to ZIRP, the cost of creating this capital is ZERO. now if you believe that is true to reality, then I have some oceanfront property in arizona to sell you.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 03:43 | 2299841 WeekendAtBernankes
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Must be on the fault.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 21:16 | 2299266 sasebo
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It's kinda like Einstein's station leaving the train --- how much money will a loaf of bread or ounce of gold buy? The more paper money Bernanke prints the more money a loaf of bread, gallon of gas or ounce of gold will buy.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:59 | 2298582 I think I need ...
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whatever happened to the saying a penny saved is a penny earned? The last 40 years 100 dollars saved equals a penny earned.......

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:56 | 2298798 css1971
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At German rail stations, the phrase "to spend a penny" has become to spend a Euro.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 19:58 | 2299127 vamoose1
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Its Zeuro,   not Euro 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 06:36 | 2299959 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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just piss on the station outside...don't ever pay to piss or shit

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:36 | 2298523 Gringo Viejo
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Who among you has a keen sense of the obvious?

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:42 | 2298548 economics9698
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Not me, I believe in fairy tales.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 00:16 | 2299619 Havana White
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"Keen sense..."  Indeed, and no mention of GATA, who continue to monitor and discuss the Fed's considerable history of gold price manipulation.  That's their thng. (They published the above piece today, along with others including a far more substantial Sprott/Baker article.)   The limited scope here is understandable, as it leads to a pitch for a gold entry/exit advisory service.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:37 | 2298531 Dingleberry
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Ever hear of "Occam's razor"? Keep the shit simple. Gold is held down because it is antithetical to the monetary printing press. 

Next question....

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 23:17 | 2299522 Vlad Tepid
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I've got some Brawndo to sell's got electrolytes!  Is that simple enough for you?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 07:48 | 2300043 BorisTheBlade
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Confusion rules this fragile world, thus I think it is completely irresponsible to run around with Occam's razor and hurt people's feelings.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:37 | 2298532 WilliamShatner
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In fairness, you have to look at the gold chart from the past 10 years, not 3 years, and see that it hasn't been on a steady rise.  It has gone up significantly in that time frame, but in fairness to that you can make a case that gold was severly undervalued even at $500 or $600 an ounce.

Who knows when the rise will end, how high it will go and where it levels off at.


Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:30 | 2298688 Paul Atreides
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As long as it's not a red shirt I'm happy...

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 00:30 | 2299640 StychoKiller
Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:39 | 2298538 Pete15
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"I do not know what the FED has against the price mechanism"-Jim Grant


Looks like he got his answer. 

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:40 | 2298546 WhoMe
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Another market that appears to be totally manipulated is the Oil market. Here is a great book to read on the subject. I heard the author on Coasttocoast a couple of weeks ago and he gave a very good argument backed with facts that pretty much spells out the reasons that the oil market is so easily manipulated. He went into all of the regulatory changes that have allowed this to happen and that has led to a market pumped up by speculation (whether on purpose or not). The CFTC and the SEC are basically figure heads that do absolutely nothing to control the manipulation.



Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:49 | 2298562 TradingJoe
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Da PrinterInChief will let the buck appreciate and the gold price depreciate enough to PRINT that's all folks!

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:55 | 2298570 BLOTTO
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The illuminati love gold. Period.

(thats a good thing for us good folks - that are 'in tune')

Their is a reason why countries that hold the most Gold - also just happen to be on the top tiers of the pyramid and rule.


Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:54 | 2298571 eddiebe
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Close Chris, but not close enough. The price of gold has less to do ( if at all ) with how money is 'managed' than that gold simply is money, whereas paper is simply just paper which temporarily has attracted the credulity of the duped.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 16:57 | 2298575 EL INDIO
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Manipulation, bla bla bla …

All of this crape is BS …

The real manipulation is obvious and is due to the nature of ‘modern’ markets where prices are influenced by people who buy things by paying a small fraction of the price and not taking delivering or sell things they don’t own. It is that simple.

If you accept this and say it is legitimate for whatever reason than shut the fuck up.

There is no manipulation within these illegitimate markets, they are simply fraudulent.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:15 | 2298635 Bubble
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Crape or crepe (Anglicized versions of the Fr. crêpe [1]) is a silk, wool, or polyester fabric of a gauzy texture, having a peculiar crisp or crimpy appearance. (The word crape is also used as an Anglicized spelling of crêpe (pancake).[2])

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:53 | 2298789 Reese Bobby
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This guy has figured it out! If you like pancakes then STFU.


And while he doesn't always drink beer, when he does he prefer Dos Equis...

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:01 | 2298826 boogerbently
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He bowls overhand!

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 19:51 | 2299110 gdogus erectus
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Just as long as he doesn't hand over his bowels. Oh. Bowls. Never mind.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:08 | 2298849 Rynak
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If you'd phrase it a bit different, even those with a short attention span, and limited mental capability would get your point instead of junking you.

Translated: If efficient price discovery even existed, all that "paper manipulation" would be impotent.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 06:03 | 2299930 EL INDIO
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Yes you’re right, I must have been smocking something when I wrote that but at least you understood me and that is what is important.

The other idiots concentrate on the tree and miss the forest as usual (fuck the spelling, it won’t get you richer).

So what I meant to say is that all of this talk about manipulation is irrelevant and a waste of time because the market is not a price discovery system it is a price control scheme by design. It is doing that (price control) very well and it is providing us with cheap PMs as the other says. So why complain ?

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:13 | 2299147 Bansters-in-my-...
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You misspelled your user name,I fixed it for you

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 06:05 | 2299932 EL INDIO
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That username was already taken by you (puta)

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 06:20 | 2299945 owurkan
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pobre weon

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:10 | 2298608 The Alarmist
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Gold would not be such a compelling 'buy' if it was not manipulated. More than a few here think "fair value" is significantly north of today's market ... Chances are good that it is.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:57 | 2299235 SAT 800
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People who have this belief system are simply exhibiting one of the classic failures of the human mind; the desire and will to believe something even if it is impossible. Life after death, Jesus looking over your shoulder today, and a manipulated gold price all fall in the same category. Impossible. Naturally human beings like stories that feature them surviving after death, and equally naturally they enthusiasts in the metals markets like stories that show there is some magic "right price" that will some day make it self known. The price today is the right price; it's the price people were willing to pay; if you don't like it tough shit. A rational person would be quite concerned that this market failed significatly LAST YEAR, and has not come close to making a new high. Sooner or later everyone is wrong; those who make profits are wrong first; and move on to the next thing. The people who "just couldn't be wrong" provide the sad stories in speculating.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:12 | 2298614 TuPhat
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He lost me when he said that paper money is faith based.  Does he not understand that paper dollars are legal tender by law that is backed by the gun.  Not much faith in that.  The value of gold is not suppressed.  It is worth exactly what people who want it think it's worth.  Paper fiat is manipulated, or it could be said that just about everything is manipulated.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:49 | 2298772 israhole
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So, everything is manipulated except gold?  You big dummy!

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:00 | 2298820 Reese Bobby
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Take it slow Sparky.  Let's say there is too much demand for gold so vehicles like GLD are created that account for a large percentage of physical gold but don't really own very much actual physical.  Or how about the U.S. government pretends to hold massive physical reserves but won't let anyone take an inventory of them.  Or future exchanges change margin requirements any time a short squeeze seems possible.  Or douche-bags from Omaha bad-mouth gold while buying it for their own P.A.'s.


Sorry.  I bet I lost you when I said "Take it slow Sparky."

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:17 | 2299157 Bansters-in-my-...
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TuStupid,and EL IDIOT,are an anti gold troll team.

Fuck off.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 21:01 | 2299239 SAT 800
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This is basically correct, but you're dealing with normal American Citizens, here; indistinguishable from the brain damaged.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 21:18 | 2299264 ReactionToClose...
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deleted ... do not want to bring undue attention on anyone

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 06:07 | 2299934 GetZeeGold
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Turn on the lights and watch the cockroaches run.



Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:21 | 2298655 InconvenientCou...
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Someone please launch a "short intraday, long overnight" ETF or ETN.

That's a whale




Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:49 | 2298770 rosiescenario
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Yep....that is the most surprising "factoid" from the above report. I have a bit of trouble swallowing it and would more than welcome some other party confirming that truly the intra day market declined over a 10 year period.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:22 | 2298865 Rynak
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That "short intraday/long overnight" strategy is actually based on a report a few months old, republished a few months ago on ZH.

Cannot bother to look it up right now, but maybe you can find it via search. May find it by searching for "sk options" or going right to their site.

Those very same stats (skoptions-trading short/long strategy) by the way did visually show the decoupling in mid 2011, that a good deal of ZH readers previously felt just by intuition. The day/night behavior actually decoupled in mid2011..... unambigiously (previously, it was more subtle).

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 06:41 | 2299965 Seorse Gorog fr...
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The SK Options post is linked in this post. They're looking to start a fund around that hypothesis.


From my point of view, go short at 10am GMT, long 8pm GMT. That's the most profitable since July 2011 but those times could change depending on market dynamics.


(This is not trading / investment advice)

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:24 | 2298667 Dr Benway
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If it was simply a case of a decade long net outflow of gold from the US to Asia, sans manipulation, how would the quoted price changes be different?


Wouldn't we also in that case see prices on average growing stronger in Asian trading times and weaker in US trading times?


I'm not saying there's no manipulation, just that I see no proof here..

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:58 | 2298811 ActionFive
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You are right. Prices used to rise in Asia session. Now, there is just no trading in Asia session. Of course we know Asia loves gold. They need to raise the Asian prices because it looks fake- and so making US traders looking like tools.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:06 | 2298850 Umh
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The "bright" Americans would have raised their asking price.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:49 | 2298980 Dr Benway
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There are cultural reasons people in some countries, such as India and China, are more fond of gold as a savings vehicle.


When these countries become richer over a decade gold rises in price and flows from west to east. And so we have the observed trading pattern.


I just can't see any proof of manipulation here.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 19:57 | 2299125 Treeplanter
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GATA has the manipulation documented.  This is old news.  The manipulation can be played for profit by selling spikes and buying dip in the mining stocks.  Real gold and silver are getting too scarce to sell because one day there will be very little for sale.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:24 | 2299169 Dr Benway
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Well that may be true but the article doesn't provide any proof.

If anything, the data presented could be interpreted as Asian central banks buying steadily.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:48 | 2299209 SAT 800
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Gata doesn't have anything documented. They are batshit crazy. They got all excited about some price moves caused by market hammering overnight, or over the weekend; which has nothing to do with the price of the metals. To be clear, the fact that Gold sells for $1662 today, or whatever, is the result of normal market forces; period. All of you should be very concerned about adopting physically, or realistically, impossible conspiracy theories, that just happen to support your simplistic "understanding" of the metals market. The metal price went up recently, therefore it will continue to go up. And this opinion is greatly supported by the theory that there is some "fair price" or "real price' that a metal would sell for if the manipulation failed, didn't exist, etc. All lthis is childish nonsense. A few moments calm thought would convince any reasonable person that there is no mechanism of price manipulation. In plain English, it's impossible. Impossible means exactly what it says; it didn't happen.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 00:48 | 2299661 StychoKiller
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"Benway, your son is a drop-in!"

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:51 | 2299212 SAT 800
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The Author is not even referring to US trading times; he's referencing price fixes in London and calling them US price fixes; there are no US price fixes; the man is an ignoramus.

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 09:43 | 2303278 UnpatrioticHoarder
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SAT 800 is wrong, gold is manipulated. But I agree Martenson is not being clear when he refers to the "US fix" — I've never heard of it before now.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:28 | 2298682 buzlightening
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It's so blatant Stevie Wonder the only one not seeing it. 

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:41 | 2298736 digalert
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Are PM's manipulated?

Is state controlled MSM manipulated?

CNBS? hmmm

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:44 | 2298746 israhole
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Great article.  It's hard to believe that some of the same people acknowledging the criminal intent all around us still can't understand the most important things to influence are real money like gold, silver, or any commodity for that matter.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:49 | 2298764 vegas
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Gold is manipulated? No shit, I'm shocked. Great article though.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:49 | 2298771 Bicycle Repairman
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"If this comes to pass, the gold price suppression will prove to be a most unfortunate mistake, providing short-term political and market cover for excessive money printing while sacrificing long-term advantage to those taking the other side of the suppression trade."

Don't feel bad for them.  They'll find a way to make up the losses.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:02 | 2299132 Treeplanter
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I think we can assume the banksters have private hoards and will be just fine when their businesses fail.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:50 | 2298778 czarangelus
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Uh... excuse me... how the fuck does a Joe Working Class like me get in on that 5000% gain business? Looks like a bargain at half the gain.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 06:46 | 2299975 Seorse Gorog fr...
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You could look into a retail trading account prefereably with low spreads (costs)... But you do need to know exactly what you're getting into and what the risks are.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:51 | 2298782 steve from virginia
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Sadly, this entire article is incorrect and misleading for two reasons: - that currency paid for gold is somehow different from currency paid for any other good (to determine the worth of currency). - That central banks inflate away debt by increasing the amount of 'money' available. People spend money on all sorts of goods yet the 'official' or price governments spend is sanctified as if it matters and other transactions do not. The US spends thousands each for hammers and toilet seats, does this set the price for hammers? ... or toilet seats? Why should it matter for gold what the government pays for it (in a hard currency regime) or 'pays' (by manipulating the price)? The answer is, it doesn't, any more than it matters what the Air Force pays for hammers.

- The quantity of money is managed -

The quantity of 'money' includes credit which expands (or not). When credit expansion slows (or stops) there is a recession. If the implication is that the quantity of money is managed by 'big brother': this is incorrect. Finance creates the world's money, in an unimaginably vast tsunami/torrent. The business of the world is finance and the industry's 'product' is 'money'.

- The price of money is managed (via interest rates) -

The price of money is set by millions of motorists swapping their money every single day for a valuable physical good on demand: petroleum. Interest rates are irrelevant as the cost of petroleum outweighs the benefit of cheapened credit. As it is, the high cost of fuel increases the need for credit which in turn pushes up the cost of fuel in a vicious cycle.

- Because interest rates are being managed (mangled?) to near zero, it means risk tolerances and preferences are being managed towards taking on higher risk -

Zero is the attempt of the money managers to be relevant. In order to make any difference by way of credit, interest rates would have to be well below zero.

- The price of oil is openly managed, with strategic releases from time to time -

Chris Martenson should look at a video piece called 'The Crash Course' which discusses Peak Oil ... by a fellow named Chris Martenson! Peak oil is the 'management' of oil price and the relationship of constrained supply of both crude AND credit.

- The price of food and energy are managed via subsidies, both direct and hidden -

  The subsidy in question is credit, without which there would be much lower prices. Credit is the means to push up prices and the means by which these prices are met. What Martinson does not understand is that the credit-subsidized fuel prices are now too high to be met by the same level of credit, and there can be but one credit regime! None of this has anything to do with either gold or monetary policy, but the competition for funds and the competition for fuel. The reason the economy is 'bankrupt' is because what we do with credit is burn it up in a car, the borrowed funds must be repaid. Driving the car does not 'earn' anything so there is nothing with which to repay!

- Official statistics (e.g., GDP. inflation, employment) are heavily biased, massaged, and managed to tell a rosy story vs. a more realistic version, which means that perceptions are managed -

Of course they are. The US is worse than China and just as unbelievable. So what? Buying gold (on the smallest of margins) with dollars will have negligible effect as long as billions world-wide are buying gasoline. Get rid of the cars and we can talk about gold. The other canard is that central banks/governments can 'inflate away debt'. Consider the US as a gigantic ledger. On one side is $3 trillion in currency, on the other is $55 trillion in debts. What the Fed does when it 'prints money' (not currency) is to change the custody of small amounts of that $55 trillion from one account at the Fed to another account at the Fed. THAT'S ALL IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE. The Fed 'expanding its balance sheet' is compensating for shrinkage elsewhere. The Fed and government together would have to issue another $52 trillion in currency to 'inflate away' the $55 trillion: what would happen is the debts on one side of the ledger and the currency on the other side would cancel each other out. There would be no net increase in currency if it was used to repay debt. This is why your's truly and others across the Internet have called for the US Treasury (and Greece and others) to issue greenback currency to pay for expenditures that are now borrowed ... and to repay/extinguish the debt. The only reason this has not taken place is because the country is run by bankers who will not allow it. Step one: cut off the heads of bankers with samurai sword, Step two: get rid of the cars which are the reason for the crisis not the absence of a gold standard. If this isn't done: bankers will cut everyone's heads off that the cars don't first.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:52 | 2298784 disabledvet
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If the price is manipulated and the Fed had 5000 tons why wouldn't they want 10,000 dollar an ounce gold? The answer of course is that the Fed doesn't set the price...YOU do. The ONLY definition of price is where a WILLING buyer and WILLING seller meet. Hence "the fear of gold" because there is ALWAYS a willing buyer. Everyone loves "a sure thing"...but a MARKET is the goal of policy makers. And for that "you star with in God we trust" and proceed from there. So what else is on tap for the worthless brigade? May I interest you in 100 BILLION in Treasuries this week? That strikes me as "just a tad more important than gold." Not that the government isn't cutting back of course. Up here we have a crime wave "but the problem is too many cops and Judges."

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:33 | 2298931 Confused
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Printing gold has proven to be much more difficult. 

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 17:51 | 2298785 tony bonn
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" much gold is actually left in Fort Knox? .." disappeared in the 1960s london gold pool....if there is any gold left it is that 90% crap which fdr stole from the people and that didn't amount to a whole lot.....fuck him all to hell....

yes he who owns the gold makes the has and always will be money.....even the present wicked system so desperately depends upon it....

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:02 | 2298828 Peter Pan
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Can someone tell me what isn't manipulated? Elections? Government contracts? Political appointments? Stock market? Ball games? Horse races? Bond sales?

Manipulation is really just another word for control by those that can.

Personally I am not interested in proof of manipulation. I am interested in how you defeat it.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:31 | 2298926 headless blogger
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Exactly. And the game continues because people keep buying into it. But I'm in the 'negative wealth' category so what do I know.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:02 | 2298830 skepticCarl
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Mr. Martenson's article would be better titled "How Gold Price manipulation is attempted in the short term".

Gold is bought and sold by and to individuals and institutions in 194 countries around the world, around the clock.  Naturally, some of those institutions, and even individuals, have a great stake in the price of gold.  But many are at cross purposes.  Some of those institutions wish to discredit gold for a variety of reasons.  Others stand to profit from higher gold prices. As Chris pointed out, there have been some notable successes at fixing (manipulating) the price of gold, especially in earlier decades, where the U.S. and European bankers were, by far, the giant players. But with more and larger players in the international markets, the length of time where market price discovery is hampered or prohibited is less and less.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:42 | 2299199 SAT 800
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You need to know that there is no AM Fixing in the USA, or PM fixing. These terms refer to the London Bullion Market. Anyone who is this massively ignorant of his subject should not be read. There is no manipulation in the gold price for the simple reason that it is impossible. It's all just ignorant babbling.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 23:23 | 2299537 Vlad Tepid
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OK SAT.  I'm now not paying any attention to that man behind the curtain.  What do I do next?

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:02 | 2298832 suckerfishzilla
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I have been participating in the suppression trade.  I had no idea. 

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:06 | 2298846 Iam Yue2
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So when Goldman this morning told the muppets that Gold at current levels was a compelling trade, and they all got their fingers badly burnt....

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:16 | 2298875 AndrewJackson
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Wow, this trade is for real. I just did this on gld using yahoo finance historical data. From november of 2004 to present buying and holding gld created a profit of about 270%. However, buying the open and selling the close resulted in just a 12% return. Incredible.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:26 | 2298903 headless blogger
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I consider him a shill for the NWO. But Huxley was too, which means it is important to listen to shills. And what is this business about shorting silver during the day and buying long at night? Are they trying to get people to go do this? If so, why?

The only thing you can be sure of in any investing is that there are winners and their are losers. But he says for every winner there is a loser. I would say for every winner there are at least 10 losers. If it was a ration of 1:1 then why is it that there are fewer and fewer people who own actual wealth versus the growing masses with literally negative wealth?

I say we go with my plan, folks. Lets ride into Dodge with a guillitine and mop up later.


Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:30 | 2298924 GeezerGeek
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TPTB will continue suppressing the price until a financial armageddon is at hand. Then they will declare a national emergency and claim all the gold. That should provide a few years of work for the Seals as they dive to recover all the gold at the bottom of lakes, rivers, oceans, etc.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:35 | 2298938 headless blogger
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Yes, when they start withdrawing troops from all over the planet and bring them home, we'll know that a gold reckoning is at hand.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:31 | 2299178 lakecity55
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At that point, TPTB will dump the troops. They'll have to get home on their own. I hope they bring guns and rope.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:40 | 2298953 Bear
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"If this comes to pass, the gold price suppression will prove to be a most unfortunate mistake, providing short-term political and market cover for excessive money printing while sacrificing long-term advantage to those taking the other side of the suppression trade."

So when haven't we done this?

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:46 | 2298967 Its_the_economy...
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Can't wait to get "heavy".

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 18:50 | 2298988 Bear
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I just put an order in the gold market (GCJ12) buy at 1662 and almost instantly a bot order apprears at 1659.70, I cancel it and the bot order dissappears. I did this 8 times and it repeated 8 times ... try it yourself. 

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:02 | 2299134 Bansters-in-my-...
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If you don't believe gold and silver are manipulated by terrorist,you are brain dead.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:14 | 2299151 Bear
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Federal Embodiment of Destruction

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:21 | 2299165 vamoose1
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rationing by price.   Hold up an itty bitty one ounce gold coin. Close to two  grand for this mickey mouse coin.  it exceeds the negative tangible wealth of most americans,    who are ,  marked to  market ,   actually balance sheet  minus.  try selling that trade to  elsie at the kitchen table,  and youre sleeping with  five fingered mary.

    Silver is managed by hair raising volatility , it routinely gets cut in  half,  so  thats  rationing  by terror rather than price, but equally effective  FOR NOW,   and so cheap in such a tiny market  its a rounding error.


    Different strokes for two  different folks, mighty clever  until china has bought  all that grey metal  for rice paper  and the US military communicates along  a string between  two  tin  cans. Then maybe not so  much.    

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:34 | 2299185 SolidSnake961
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why won't someone make an ETF that takes advantage of the gold fix?

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:35 | 2299188 Kokulakai
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Connect the dots?


The proof exists in the transcripts of FOMC meetings.




Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:52 | 2299214 bushwarcrime
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Martenson does Seinfeld : " Gold is being manipulated.....Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

But seriously, I only noticed the Hong Kong rise, London smackdown, Comex horizontal fiddle recently myself.  Why didn't other teams of Ph.D's see this? Guess they were too busy cashing in to tell us lame-brains.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 20:59 | 2299238 Stuck on Zero
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You guys are worried about nothing.  A gold-backed paper currency is one in which the government constantly intervenes in the gold market.  To back your currency with gold you need to buy gold or sell gold as needed to keep your currency true.  If your currency rises relative to gold you have to remove gold from the market by any means necessary.  If your currency falls relative to gold you need to supply gold or remove currency.  The key is to let the market know that there is no hope of turning a profit by arbitraging or trading gold vs. the currency.  That is a gold backed currency.  Right now, Ben is letting gold rise just enough to cheapen the dollar (his desire, not mine) but not doom it.  He cannot let go go to too low a price or hoarders will sweep it all up.  So, the problem is not gold market manipulation.  The problem is overspending.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 21:31 | 2299289 uno
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this is a very good article about the BIS back in 1983 controlling the price of gold   then go down to this area:


Ruling the World of Money by Edward Jay Epstein -1983 Harpers Magazine



some excerpts:

 On yet another floor, gold traders are constantly on the telephone arranging loans of the bank's gold to international arbitragers, thus allowing central banks to make interest on gold deposits.


"It was in the wood-paneled rooms above the shop and the hotel that decisions were reached to devalue or defend currencies, to fix the price of gold, to regulate offshore banking, and to raise or lower short-term interest rates."

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 22:36 | 2299432 OrestesPenthilu...
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What gold?

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 23:27 | 2299543 Clifhanger
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How does Chris come up with the threshold confiscation liklihood target px = $5000?  Let's say that is the case, then usuing ~ $1660 to $5000, we have an upside of roughly 200% (or 3x), then we might get exercised on the short confiscation option or massive tax rate.  I just don't know how he comes up with a target level like that.  In addition, confiscation is a whole different manner and might be very different for those that have their PMs in the US vs other countries.    

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 06:19 | 2299944 Winston Churchill
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Gardening is good for you I hear.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 07:21 | 2300011 Seorse Gorog fr...
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This is what I think of it. And you all should too...

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 11:33 | 2306241 Sh1t-hittin-EU-fan
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Nothin´ to see here, move along!

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