Citi Believes BOJ Will Intervene At USDJPY 76, Says Any Intervention Will Likely Be Insufficient

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Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:26 | 1516802 Id fight Gandhi
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Since we no longer have free markets and price discovery, what do you call all of this government intervention in the markets and fiat?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:37 | 1516837 carbonmutant
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Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:47 | 1516872 John McCloy
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"Central Planners Gone Wild" ?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:50 | 1516891 Debtless
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The new normal.

Or the last dance.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:53 | 1516898 Popo
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what do you call all of this government intervention in the markets and fiat?


I call it another buying opportunity for FXY.   The Yen will probably stay down for about a week before climbing back up.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:30 | 1516819 DonutBoy
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They're still playing nice.  With a 1/10 of the island on it's way to being a radioactive wasteland they could start playing hardball soon.  Hardball looks like this: "BOJ announces official exchange rate of 100 yen / dollar and will exchange any dollars submitted for yen at this rate".   When dollars get submitted they print yen and hand them out.  Then they take the dollars and buy gold.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:47 | 1516875 TSA Thug
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I'll take the 100 Yen and buy farmland in The Republic of Ecuador, thank you very much!

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:56 | 1516905 Popo
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And we stop importing cars.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:32 | 1516823 Global Hunter
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These monkeys still think a little tinker here a tinker there and everything will be OK.  They're bankers not alchemists, I just have no idea what is going through their heads and I'd really love to be there in the room when the shoe drops on some of these clowns.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:33 | 1516827 Archimedes
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I must admit I don't get this as I am not a currency expert. Where does this newly created money go? Does it just sit in Bank vaults? Japan has been mired in resession for decades and they have printed Trillions in Fiat yet their currency is still coveted and realitively more valuable against other currencies.

Doesn't this poke a small hole in the theory that printing infinite dollars will cause the dollar to become worthless? Especially being the World's Reserve?

Serious replies only please. Thanks!


Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:43 | 1516860 DonutBoy
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The Japanese have had apparently infinite print & borrow capacity because 1) their population of tribal net savers buys their bonds exclusively, and 2) they have had a significant current account surplus, they are net exporters.

Demographically 1) is no longer possible, they are redeeming bonds now and will continue to on their population death spiral.

The must maintain 2) the current account surplus.  The yen rate must allow for profitable exports. 

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:48 | 1516869 Global Hunter
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In my opinion they're experiencing inflation vs real assets like gold, silver and oil.  They had a highly leveraged real estate bubble, so assets such as property have deflated, as things like equities and real estate deflate capital moves to cash.  

gold priced in Yen 5 years ago was 77,500 today it is 127,000

silver priced in Yen 5 years ago was 1,400 today its 3,100

edit: in short the stuff that was in a bubble and over priced deflates, the stuff that matters inflates. 


Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:48 | 1516878 tickertapeguide
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When Japan was hit by the earthquake, the yen rose, causing those which borrowed in yen to sell assets to return yen.  This resulted in a reduction in equity prices.  Yen borrowing is cheap which is why it is used in the carry trade.  So while a rise in DXY is not good for stocks, cheaper (more abundant) yen is positive for markets in that is is a source of funding if the increase in yen is appreciable enough to move the markets.  Cheaper yen is also beneficial to Japan in that it promotes exports because Japan can sell their products in foreign markets cheaper (just not so good for those foreign markets because then the trade balance swings in favor of Japan and local productivity is decreased due to lack of demand).

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:51 | 1516892 TSA Thug
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"Doesn't this poke a small hole in the theory that printing infinite dollars will cause the dollar to become worthless? Especially being the World's Reserve?"

Japan is The Blueprint and a prime example why debt-2-gdp fatality is relative to your global sovereign status.

The US can easily go to 300% debt-2-gdp without falter.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 12:05 | 1516937 Dr. Engali
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The difference between Japan and the U.S. though is the debt levels. Nobody can support the amount of debt needed to bring the U.S. to 300% of gdp. Japan is only a 5 trillion dollar economy compared to our 14 trillion.  That would take us to 42 trillion in debt. Who can support that?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 12:12 | 1516974 TSA Thug
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I must admit I am more of a Heterodox economist.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 12:04 | 1516944 Global Hunter
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300% debt to GDP?  You're posts are getting better!!!!

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:57 | 1516919 Sgt.Sausage
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==> Doesn't this poke a small hole in the theory that printing infinite dollars will cause the dollar to become worthless?

Your dollars have already become worthless. Since the inception of the Federal Reserve in 1913, and the ability to print whenever Congress wants more Monopoly Money - your dollar has lost 97% of it's value ... and that's only if, (and that's a pretty big IF) - if you believe the government published numbers for inflation. If you go with more realistic inflation statistics instead of the hogwash coming from D.C., it only gets worse.

Take the blinders off, dude.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:41 | 1516831 MoneyWise
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I'm just curious at what USDCHF level those

Swiss b*chez will complete shut down their

export? :) Who would pay for Swiss made 3 times more?

How about Toyota? Japanese will soon have to

work for free

to be able to sell made in Japan Toyota on USA market.

I'll wait for USDCHF at 0.30 and see what those b*chez

gonna do about it..

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:44 | 1516863 swissaustrian
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Swiss exporters don´t care about the USD, they care about the EUR.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:50 | 1516889 cossack55
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The Swiss DO care about their cows.  Prettiest cows I ever did see.  The bells are a nice touch too.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:55 | 1516907 High Plains Drifter
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it looks like the masonic goy networks in japan are deliberately destroying the country through various means. one has to scratch one's head while watching this horror show proceed. it is strange that japanese would do this to other japanese. so therefore one must conclude something else is afoot there and like it is here and the rest of the world, most japanese sheep do not understand it nor do they see it.......they just do what they are told, like the good little slaves that they are and the nation is destroyed.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 12:14 | 1516979 TSA Thug
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Notice that Japan has no TSA. They obey, you do not but you will!

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