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Citi Earnings Bloodbath: $3.8 Billion ($1.23/Share) In Reported "Earnings" Really $0.5 Billion Or $0.16/Share

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Another stunning EPS beat from Citi today which reported $20.8 billion in revenue and $1.23 in earnings on expectations of $19.23 billion in top line and $0.82 in EPS.... Until one actually reads the following two parts from the earnings release: "Third quarter revenues included $1.9 billion of credit valuation adjustment (CVA) reflecting the widening of Citi’s credit spreads during the third quarter. Excluding CVA, third quarter 2011 revenues were $18.9 billion, 8% below the prior year period and 8% below the second quarter 2011. CVA increased reported third quarter earnings by $0.39 per share"....and... "Loan Loss Reserve Release of $1.4 Billion in Third Quarter, Down from $2.0 Billion in Each of Second Quarter 2011 and Third Quarter 2010." Once again, the bank releases reserves (i.e. a perceived improvement in economic conditions), even as its takes a benefit for major economic deterioration (the equivalent of hypothetically buying bank its debt at lower prices due to risk flaring, or said otherwise, buying CDS on itself). Either way, this is non-recurring gibberish. You take the $3.77 billion in Net Income, take out $1.9 billion in "buying CDS on yourself", and the $1.4 billion in phantom EPS loss reserve, and end up with $0.5 billion or $0.16 per share. It will take the vacuum tubes about an hour to figure this out. Oh yes, and revenues were really $18.9 billion ex $1.888 billion in CVA. Adding insult to injury is that Citi will now have to pull a Morgan Stanley and defend itself against its European exposure: Citigroup (C) has $14.4 billion gross funded exposure in France and Belgium, and $18.0 billion unfunded commitment to Belgium/France.

The bank is kind enough to present the key P&L items:

Citi's loan loss reserve releases: the bank has taken $11 billion in benefits form loan loss reserves since Q3 2009.

As a reminder, Citi has $421 billion in its 3rd party mortgage servicing portfolio, against which it has about 5%, or just $27 billion in Rep and Warranty liability reserves:

And lest anyone forget, courtesy of Operation Twist, banks can kiss Net Interest Margin goodbye. The 2.83% NIM in Q3 is going down. Going down down.

Full presentation:

 

 


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Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:17 | Link to Comment depression
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#GreenShoots

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:36 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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Surrealistic Pillow talk. Wunderland stuff smoking and mirroring spreads and fall-down CDS counterparty support.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:04 | Link to Comment trav7777
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C didn't make any money...who is shocked by this?

At least they didn't lose eleventy billion like past quarters.  There isn't going to be profit growth in the aggregate going forward...we're not in the Age of Growth any longer

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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I'm sure everything is just fine over at Citi...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:34 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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Potemkin had to build actual fake frontages of his imaginary villages; C needs only to chat amongst itself.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:03 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Green shoots, red streams, same difference. 1.23 or 0.16, who cares? It is all worthless.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Don Birnam
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Of course it was a bloodbath. 

That is why apologist Reuters is running, "Citigroup Beats Street, Sets Aside Less to Cover Bad Loans." The Powers That Be simply cannot be seen with even a single protein molecule of egg on their faces.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:54 | Link to Comment andybev01
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Are you that's not another protein molecule?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 20:19 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
Tue, 10/18/2011 - 01:39 | Link to Comment VegasRage
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LMAO! Awesome hilarity. 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:15 | Link to Comment trampstamp
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We're going to need a bigger vault

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:16 | Link to Comment cossack55
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A little optomistic on the tubes learning curve.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:37 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Yup. And there's your preview of the squid which should be VERY interesting.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:16 | Link to Comment Irish66
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FAZulous

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:17 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Time to max out your Citi visa card boys and girls!

and settly to pay back 1/5 of the amount for total redemption of the rest of the amount! :)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:17 | Link to Comment jcaz
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LOL-  as a former Citi Investment Services exec, I can say with certainty that they are even fluffing the 16 cents.......

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:20 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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What do you mean by 'fluffing', what exactly goes on in Citit?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:22 | Link to Comment trampstamp
Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:24 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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Genius.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:24 | Link to Comment depression
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subtract out the $1.9 Billion CDS on itself, that is priceless...Time to throw a TARP over Citi

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:28 | Link to Comment HoofHearted
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Tell your avatar to get to it. (Avatar is actual size of the real Timmay, by the way.)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:31 | Link to Comment HoofHearted
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Is it true that part of the bonus at Citi and the other TBTF are stock options...put options? Seems to be the better deal all things considered....

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:59 | Link to Comment Nascent_Variable
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They're giving out CDS as bonuses, right after they buy it and generate all that revenue, of course.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:06 | Link to Comment MFL8240
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Run into the ground by none other than the White House friend and Wall Street insider Robert the con man Rubin.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:18 | Link to Comment Fips_OnTheSpot
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Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies. (and german media eating the bait.. CHEERIO)

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:19 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Sets the stage nicely for the rest of financial 'earnings' reports...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:19 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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i should be learning how to work these banks' magic on my P&L statement especially if i want  a loan from one them.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:20 | Link to Comment jhcullen
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I am now more excited for the weekdays than the weekends... The unraveling is intense

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:21 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Citi earnings are, without fluff and accounting tricks, really losses, i.e. negative.  Pandit the Bandit will not let his ego get in the way of a truckload of fluff though.   

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:22 | Link to Comment TooBearish
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How in the world this "earnings report" passes muster with even the most positive perma-bull is beyond any rational comprehension

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:29 | Link to Comment junkyardjack
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The bulls are happy that C picked up some European debt, there's only one direction that stuff can go

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:23 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Cannot wait to see the Squid's CVA adjustment.  We should start a betting pool here.  I bet $1.22.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:24 | Link to Comment jdelano
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Hilarious.  On Bloomberg Tom immediately called horseshit on C's beat while Ken flailed desperately to spin it gold.  Interpretation?

Tom = at least smart enough to be out or short

Ken = still humping his 201K.  

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:27 | Link to Comment junkyardjack
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The banks must be seeing something that we aren't since they can release more of their loan loss reserves.  Those OccupyWallStreet folks are going to feel a bit silly when the US storms back out of a recession in like 2 weeks and pulls out some China type growth.  There will be so many jobs people won't know what to do.  

Isn't it odd that banks could buy CDS on themselves? They already build into their employees the short termed thinking of you benefit from any upside and don't see any of the downside but now the entire firm will be operating on we'll pick up some extra revenue the closer we get to bankruptcy?  They hold the country hostage being too big to fail and then they try everything they can to actually fail.  Hopefully the Occupy Wall Street movement will help some saavy politicans realize that they could benefit from creating policies that help out the actual citizens of the US instead of the corporations that are trying to run the country into the ground.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:36 | Link to Comment depression
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New York Police Department said at least 88 protesters were arrested in New York on Saturday and overnight, including two dozen for trespassing at a Citibank branch and 45 in Times Square.

On Sunday, President Obama honoured Martin Luther King at a dedication to a new memorial on National Mall in Washington. Referring to protests that have spread from Wall Street to London, Rome and elsewhere, Mr Obama said: “Dr King would want us to challenge the excesses of Wall Street without demonising those who work there.”

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:07 | Link to Comment trav7777
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another boondoggle on the Mall, and of course "mistakes were made" but nobody is actually culpable.  Everyone was just "doing their job" and "following orders," just like Wall Street.

Why isn't the MLK memorial 556' tall?  He is literally the most significant person who ever existed, as he invented dreaming.  We need more streets, buildings, memorials for MLK.  And at least 2 or 3 more holidays.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Mesquite
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There's probably a 'banking holiday' in the near future...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Conrad Murray
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Find an MLK boulevard near you and drive down it. It will be completely self-evident this smiley asshole is spot on.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:50 | Link to Comment rpboxster
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I don't recommend driving down any MLK street.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:25 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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Citi up pre-market, of course.

Incredible.  Simple incredible.  <golf clap>

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:33 | Link to Comment tim73
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Pre-markets are almost always up because the early morning coke deliveries.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:09 | Link to Comment Mesquite
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Heh heh heh...Luv it...

Desperate Manipulation...

Sorta brings to mind= Dinosaurs in the Tar Pits..!  

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:38 | Link to Comment DeltaDawn
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The new golf clap is called "upward sprinkles".

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:27 | Link to Comment Zgangsta
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But...don't the expectations take the CVA adjustments into account now?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:27 | Link to Comment MRSAP
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Same bullshit like JPM. Extra money made by CVA/CDS

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:30 | Link to Comment Forgiven
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Tyler that's not a problem for Citi, that's their game plan.  All they have to do is wrap themselves even tighter to Europe.  They and the rest of the TBTF banks will all force a global collapse and whether we like a global federal government or not, it will be forced upon us by the banksters.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:31 | Link to Comment tim73
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This is so sad...even Our Dear Banks cannot make money by making money?!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:32 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Can't they just buy some encouraging signage for the Frogs like they do for the American girls and boys at Bailout Ballpark?

 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:34 | Link to Comment HITMAN56
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Citi acct got hacked while in Asia last month...didn't even have to close acct...they did it for me...sometimes its better to be lucky than right...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:42 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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Smells like financial gangrene.

Today is Black Monday II

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:06 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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Smell that?

Nothing like the smell of Citi pus first thing in the morning.

Smells like victory.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Dick Darlington
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BETTER THAN EXPECTED BOYS AND GIRLS!!! SURPRISE TO THE UPSIDE BOYS AND GIRLS!!!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:46 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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But RayJay's Anthony Polini said this was awesome number. Of course he also said a year ago that BAC would be a $25 stock today.

With the way C manipulated these numbers Vic Pandit has my vote for the next Treasury Secretary.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Stochdoc
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Repeat after me:  Banks Suck, Banks Suck, ahhhhhhhh BANKS SUCK!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:52 | Link to Comment NuYawkFrankie
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The head honcho of Citi called Pandit

With earnings-releases flim-flammed it,

Though hardly nuance,

In common parlance -

That's known as being a bandit.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:02 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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financial gangrene

smell drifts to Liberty Park

angry OWSers wake

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 08:59 | Link to Comment PulauHantu29
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Citi was beginning to stink...at least Citi is taking a Bath for a change.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:00 | Link to Comment Archimedes
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So how much "Loan Loss reserves" do these banks have left? I mean they can't do this forever.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:05 | Link to Comment 4xCompass
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Sure they can, all the homes will be foreclosed on...nothing to reserve for!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:44 | Link to Comment DeltaDawn
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Until the Fed's charter is not renewed Dec 21, 2012 when it is due to expire.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:02 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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WFC results were way worse than Citibank.

Citibank is green right now.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:02 | Link to Comment 4xCompass
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Won't be long before they have no loss reserves to release, of course they can do that when all the homes have been foreclosed on!

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:07 | Link to Comment Fips_OnTheSpot
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when is GS "earnings" report due?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Where My Dawg At
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Tomorrow.

Enjoy.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:21 | Link to Comment bentaxle
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Citi resorting to ponzi' ing itself. Anybody know when the money runs out?

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:25 | Link to Comment ZeroPoint
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Shouldn't we also subtract the free bailout money they received to get the real number, which should put them into bankruptcy?

 

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 09:55 | Link to Comment jmcadg
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Citi up well over 2% today - but of course!!!!

More lambs to the slaughter.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:14 | Link to Comment luigi
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No wonder they arrest those who want to draw their money from the accounts...

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:27 | Link to Comment taint
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It they are posting profits resulting from decreasing liability valuations, who is recording the losses on the offsetting counterparties assets?  Presumably but not necessarily these would be MTM as well.  

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Harbourcity
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-17/citigroup-profit-rises-74-beats-estimates-on-accounting-gain.html

"Citigroup Inc. (C), the third-biggest U.S. bank, said profit rose 74 percent, beating analysts’ estimates on a $1.9 billion accounting gain and a reduction in losses tied to soured loans."

 

Tyler - big difference from the wording of the Bloomberg article.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Where My Dawg At
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You kids are going to love Goldmans earnings tomorrow. Trust me.

Mon, 10/17/2011 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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SP500 daily chart now gives bearish signal, warning of a new leg down. Weekly chart reverts to neutral.

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