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Class Warfare Blowback: Majority Of Americans Want Obama Out

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The ever-eloquent populist-in-chief has just turned an important corner.  It seems that the clear class warfare escapades he has been engaging in recently have backfired as, according to a poll by Associated Press-GfK, a majority of adults, 52 percent, said Obama should be voted out of office while 43 percent said he deserves another term. This confirms the report from the previous Gallup poll, that our President heads into election year with a significant problem: "Heading into his re-election campaign, the president faces a conflicted public. It does not support his steering of the economy, the most dominant issue for Americans, or his overhaul of health care, one of his signature accomplishments..." While understandably the party preferences bias for and against, it is the Independents that must be the greater concern as "The president's standing among independents is worse: Thirty-eight percent approve while 59 percent disapprove." Given the fact that its-the-economy-stupid, we wonder just how long the entirely independent and sacrosanct Federal Reserve will remain on the sidelines, or is QE3 coming Jan 1st?


From TIME magazine article: Poll: Obama Re-Election Odds About 50-50


The economy remains a source of pessimism, though the poll suggests the first positive movement in public opinion on the economy in months. One in five said the economy improved in the last month, double the share saying so in October. Still most expect it to stay the same or get worse.


"I suppose you could make some sort of argument that it's getting better, but I'm not sure I even see that," said independent voter John Bailey, a 61-year-old education consultant from East Jordan, Mich. "I think it's bad and it's gotten worse under (Obama's) policies. At best, it's going to stay bad."


Despite the high rate of joblessness, the poll found some optimism on the economy. Although 80 percent described the economy as "poor," respondents describing it "very poor" fell from 43 percent in October to 34 percent in the latest poll, the lowest since May. Twenty percent said the economy got better in the past month while 37 percent said they expected the economy to improve next year.


Yet plenty of warning signs remain for Obama. Only 26 percent said the United States is headed in the right direction while 70 percent said the country was moving in the wrong direction.


The president won a substantial number of female voters in 2008 yet there does not appear to be a significant tilt toward Obama among women now. The poll found 44 percent of women say Obama deserves a second term, down from 51 percent in October, while 43 percent of men say the president should be re-elected.


About two-thirds of white voters without college degrees say Obama should be a one-term president, while 33 percent of those voters say he should get another four years. Among white voters with a college degree, 57 percent said Obama should be voted out of office.


The poll found unpopularity for last year's health care overhaul. About half of the respondents oppose the health care law and support for it dipped to 29 percent from 36 percent in June. Just 15 percent said the federal government should have the power to require all Americans to buy health insurance.


Even among Democrats, the health care law has tepid support. Fifty percent of Democrats supported the health care law, compared with 59 percent of Democrats last June. Only about a quarter of independents back the law.


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Fri, 12/16/2011 - 17:54 | 1988358 slaughterer
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Obama, you are out.  Kyle Bass has replaced you.  

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:00 | 1988420 iinthesky
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Look at the lying filthy rats who make up total bullshit and spout it as fact. Bachman with her comment 'Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map' .. Go fucking read all the retractions and literal translations of what this guy said. He said nothing even close to what they suggest. Its so pathetic and sad that presidential candidates would repeat this crap but whats even more sad is that noone will ever bother to go check..

Ron Paul clarified for that WORM, Hannity, who promptly refused to accept the facts..


Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:06 | 1988452 WestVillageIdiot
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Bachmann said that?  I couldn't hear her over that corndog. 

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:13 | 1988482 trav7777
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Obama sucks...novelty president elected for one reason

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:16 | 1988498 jekyll island
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To foster better relations with Israel?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:22 | 1988521 bernorange
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"There's actually a legitimate statistical argument that Paul would be the strongest GOP candidate against Obama, period." - Public Policy Polling

Ron Paul's campaign is not being funded by Wall Street or corporate interests. If you have ever considered supporting Ron Paul, please do so today during the Dec. 16 Tea Party "money bomb" fundraiser for maximum impact:

Ron is electable if *you* say he is. Money talks.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:31 | 1988580's picture

I donated. Dig deep, folks, if you can -- this is the big one. Ron Paul's ability to get out the vote in Iowa, New Hampshire and other early primary states depends on the money he receives now.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:48 | 1988640 seek
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With my donation today, I end my financial support to Ron Paul. Not because I don't want to, but because I've hit my federal conrtibution limit of $2500.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:08 | 1988714's picture

Great post! I was actually caught up in the drama.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 20:33 | 1988910 Bananamerican
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"the clear class warfare escapades he has been engaging in recently have backfired "

uh, no...

Let me clarify it for you...

"Fuck the 1%...AND their fascist bagman, Owebama"

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:09 | 1989235 midtowng
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It's amazing how the evidence of Obama being a bagman for Wall Street is overwhelming and undeniable, yet people still accuse him of being a "socialist". Makes one wonder what these people consider to be socialism?

If anything, Obama's problem is that he was just a more well-spoken version of George W. Bush. This is Bush's third term in office. Is it any wonder that he's unpopular?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:54 | 1989336 Potemkin Villag...
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Not that I really disagree in what you're saying but...

In another way, your undertones read... IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT (as it will ALWAYS be)...

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:43 | 1989445 Oh regional Indian
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Not really Potemkin. He makes a good point of the continuity of the madness. We've seen it quite clearly over the last 30 years or so as the so called centrists took power. 

Bill Clinton was a centrist. The big sign was keeping Greenspan for all those Dem/Repub presidencies.... because we know who was/is really pulling the strings....



Sat, 12/17/2011 - 02:24 | 1989523 buyingsterling
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socialism is here, with 48+% of households getting a check from the feds each month. It's an integral part of the polics state control grid they have planned. A ready cohort of dependept potential rioters is need to insure that no really significant changes are made. It;s either that, or kill most of us. Without a dependent population, they wouldn't get away with any of this.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 12:23 | 1989815 imapopulistnow
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So what happens when there is no more room to the right?

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 12:40 | 1989829 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Let me help.

The banking system is part of the government.

A capitalist would have let places fail and the assets pass to more productive entities.

A socialist takes them under government wing and continues to operate them.

Simple enough?

As the government is now the largest consumer, employer, lender, borrower, landlord, tenant and parents to 50million on food stamps and 55million receiving SSI,


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 14:35 | 1990042 AldousHuxley
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IF US is not a free market and not capitalist (at best mixed economy), then

WHY are the rewards for top 0.01% justified as being capitalist meritocracy? millions in salary for CEOs for failed companies?


BECAUSE Americans were fooled!


Just like the 25% who think US is still headed in the right direction....they must be the ones in six figure government pension at 50 NYPD white shirts.





Sat, 12/17/2011 - 15:42 | 1990155 midtowng
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You are half right - this isn't a free market.

However, it isn't socialism either. It's a partnership of big business and government.

That's called fascism, not socialism.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 17:32 | 1990316 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Sorry, the government obviously controls the means of production in too many industries to count by being the single largest economic entity not even counting the endless regulations and armies of regulators-including the most crucial industries-that is socialism.  Not fascist in the slightest, there is no nationalist component whatsoever.  Leftist totalitarianism usually called communism?  Certainly much closer than fascism.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 18:13 | 1990354 memyselfiu
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mussolini-style corporate fascism, coming to a country near you.

Question to be posed tp the ZH crowd: Why is it ok for a company like walmart to use their purchasing power to squeeze producers so they can maximize profits, but not ok for groups of people to form an alliance to squeeze corporations for better wages?

I'm not taking a specific side here, I'm just trying to understand different mindsets is all.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 04:40 | 1989578 onebir
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Yep - wondered when the article would get round to providing any evidence that 'class warfare' was anything to do with Obama's declining popularity. I think it's just one of Tyler's pet opinions...

Similar problem with financial sector political contributions in the UK (just less zeros):

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:25 | 1989713 James-Morrison
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I vote the "term limit" party.  One term for president.  It does not matter who they put up, vote out incumbents.  

Voting ideology (left, right or donkey, elephant) is what got us into this mess.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:09 | 1989236 jeff montanye
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oh so true oh aptly named one.  obama's problem with class warfare is he hasn't fought it, not even for a minute.  he is a fascist bagman.  it's all true.  

he probably will be able to be beaten by many, possibly even bachmann with her interesting first man.  the one who should beat him is ron paul.  he may not be all he claims to be, but i bet he's closer to it than obama.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 01:58 | 1989499 myshadow
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I'm one of those who voted for him.  By july of his first year, when it was becoming increasingly apparent there would be no prosecutions for the theft and fraud.  My second vote was in the dumper.

I believe he was faced with the prospect on most of the Treasury dept, Justice and the Fed were accessories to the crime(s) and it would have meant indictments for everyone.

It would engulf both administrations, I'm sure he was blackmailed by the MOTU that they could wait him out through a worse depression than we are in.

Since he couldn't stomach going after bush, cheney, addington, yoo, feith, rumsfeld... for war crimes.

The shylocks stealing from the treasury were going to get a pass as well

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:45 | 1989681 Bobbyrib
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Face it, he is a fraud. You were suckered like me. That being said if Ron Paul doesn't win the Republican nominee and Newt, Perry, or Bachmann win the primary I have not decided whether I will write in Paul, or hold my noise and pull the lever for Obama again.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 14:45 | 1990063 AldousHuxley
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productivity increased

real wages flat

compensation in benefits increased slightly (mostly going to doctors unions and hospital real estate co.)



Obama is going to bring austerity to take away small gains in benefits so that only productivity increases (aka. work harder, more education, more hours, etc. for less pay)

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 15:35 | 1990142 Ben Dover
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Wow... all of a sudden I'm not a slacker, but a visionary.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 23:57 | 1990701 Things that go bump
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I read James Kunstler's column every Monday - I really do enjoy a clever turn of phrase.  He was a great believer at the start of Mr. Obama's term and expected great things from him.  At first, he was simply bewildered, but as time goes on, his disappointment is increasingly acute and his pen increasingly ascerbic.  Bobbyrib, you are not alone in your quandry.  We have been taken in by a con man.  It is probably best to admit it and move on rather than throw good money after bad.  I wonder if he would refund the campaign contribution I made in 2007?  I don't think I can hold my nose and pull the lever for that smiling face of fascism. 

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:53 | 1989687 midtowng
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I never voted for Obama. I've been voting 3rd party since Clinton betrayed the working man in his first term.

Which 3rd party? It doesn't matter. Green. Libertarian. I don't care. Just as long as it isn't one of the two major parties.

The Democrats and Republicans want you to vote for them - they win.

If you get disgusted and don't vote at all - they still win.

the only way they don't win is if you vote for someone else.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 14:50 | 1990072 AldousHuxley
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voting is for suckers.

Corporations don't vote. They donate and lobby.

who cares who is in power. YOu pay to play. Organize, unionize, pay fees for lobbysts and they will curry politicians favor to your benefit.


Vote on American Idol.

Politicians is for lobbysts and special interests. PERIOD.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 21:59 | 1989091 my puppy for prez
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Patriots still exist!

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:17 | 1989124 Freddie
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Sat, 12/17/2011 - 03:17 | 1989559 YoDudeRock
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You can still donate to the Revolution Super PAC:

The legal maximum contribution to Super PACs is infinity.

All the money goes to promoting Ron Paul (commercials, newspapers, etc).  It's ran by Tom Woods.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 15:45 | 1990157 cdskiller
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I am as sick of Obama as anyone, but can we please look at Ron Paul without rose colored glasses? Ron Paul wants to end all income taxes and capital gains taxes. He wants to eliminate regulations on business, which will sure make the polluters and corporate criminals happy. Ron Paul wants to open up all offshore waters to oil company drilling. Ron Paul has said nothing, I repeat, NOTHING about the fraud in the MBS and CDO casino. He doesn't even know what MERS is, let alone the damage it has caused. He has never said a word about the necessity of re-imposing Glass-Steagall or reversing the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000.

I like SOME things he says enormously, like auditing the Fed and balanced budgets and stopping the war machine, but he is a clueless DISASTER in a lot of other ways. 

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 22:39 | 1990630 chemystical
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Little offense intended, but you are purveying mendacious bullshit:

1) the USA somehow "managed" to survive and thrive for 130 yrs without a federal income tax.  Instead we relied on tarrifs and duties and excise taxes, which protected American industry and American jobs.   Vacuous ditz econ students were sold a big fat lie that Smoot-Hawley caused the Great Depression.  Our reps have stood by and watched our jobs being exported for 1 simple reason:  those reps are controlled by the int'l central banksters who already sucked the juice out the American chewing gum, and needed to export central banking and debt slavery and addiction to government to the relatively undeveloped world.  How would those multitudes of new consumers and government addicts pay for their stuff?  With our money.  How are they supposed to earn our money?   By working the jobs that we used to.

NB that Paul has repeatedly stated that he would phase out the fed income tax; NOT end it immediately.   Also NB this quote from Paul, "We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s. "

2) What's wrong with eliminating capital gains taxes?   Better question is, "What's right about capital gains taxes?"  Other than Big Brother (the bagman for the Fed Reserve and its corrolary brethren "abroad"), who benefits by the perpetual motion taxation machine whereby we are taxed once on our income, and the taxed again when we use that income to earn more income, and...?   

3) Because you didn't note specific regulations that he would eliminate, a=may we assume that you are stating that Paul would eliminate EVERY regulation?   Because if that is your statement, then you are full of shit.   Please supply somem specifics.

4) I have not read anything where Paul has stated his support for unlimited drilling everywhere and anywhere.   I have, however, read this sensible approach to your presumed fears, "Polluters should be directly liable in court to any and all parties they harm, rather than bureaucrats at the EPA."   Perhaps your idea of Torts and Remedies is that Big Brother is always heads the offended parties list (and is indeed sometimes the only aggrieved party).  My favorite iteration of that farce is when the Defense Department pays a fine to the EPA.  Close second is either a) when Big Bro fines Big Pharma, and Big Bro indemnifies Big Pharma from subsequent liability and not a penny finds its way to John Q Public, or b) when Wall Street is fined a few hundred million for stealing billions and, again, nary a penny for John Q.

5) One need oly to Google the subject to find that your emphatic comment "NOTHING" is uuter bullshit.   Further, here's a nice quite from RP from Sept 10 2003 in the House Financial Services Committee on the Fannie Freddie topic, "Ironically, by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market...Perhaps the Federal Reserve can stave off the day of reckoning by purchasing GSE debt and pumping liquidity into the housing market, but this cannot hold off the inevitable drop in the housing market forever. In fact, postponing the necessary, but painful market corrections will only deepen the inevitable fall. The more people invested in the market, the greater the effects across the economy when the bubble bursts."

6) Ditto on the simple exercise of Googling to demonstrate that your CDS/CDO assertion is likewise complete bullshit.  Amongst the dozens of examples, Paul stated during an interview with David Asman that "absolutely" AIG's books should be opened to determine whether and the extent to which our money was going to pay off AIG's CDS. 

Bear in mind that the CDO and MBS casino thrived because the Fed was the abettor and the backstop.  Paul wants to abolish the Fed Reserve.  Ipso facto, even in the absence of a single syllable on MBS and CDO, Paul's position on the Fed would be enough.

7) Paul has explained at least a dozen times (and as recently as 7 weeks ago) why he voted against re-imposing Glass-Steagall.  If you weren't paying attention or fail to waddle your lazy ass to, for example, youtube, then don't blame Paul and don't conjure up even more bullshit.

8) Paul voted AGAINST the CFMA.  Evidently, and once again, you weren't paying attention and didn't care to lift a finger to do even 10 secinds of research.

For you to wrap up your hillarity, you write that you "like SOME things he says enormously".  That's the bullshit icing atop the bullshit cake and does little other than expose yourself as a lazy turd.   Christ, have you even heard of   One click away from realizing how simultaneously full of shit and ill-informed you are.  Funny thing is that I'd never been there, but I read the same things I've been saying for 50 years.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 15:55 | 1990174 seek
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Thanks for the tip! I'll keep my $500/mo donation going to the PAC now.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:42 | 1989678 Bobbyrib
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Sounds like you need to open a corporation and step up your citizen status to Super Citizen. Once you are a corporation you can donate all that you'd like.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:48 | 1989683 Sunshine Down t...
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So did I.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:50 | 1988825 Abitdodgie
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I became a soverigen for what point I still get treated like you serfs by the very people I try to save , I now belive people like been slaves, they are so dependant on the system they will do anything to perserve it . In a couple of weeks you will here of another ruby ridge in North Dakota  , but will any Americans turn up to stand up for the Constitution , I think not. this country is not worth saving .  Beside sex name one thing you can do without permission , nothing, You will carry on paying more taxes , and treated like shit because thats what you know  and not one of you will stand as one. I have lernt there is no point standing up fo America , because you do not deserve it . FUCK THE LOT OF YOU. 

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:17 | 1989104 Got_Nukes
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You picked North Dakota because of what reason? Is it becasue the first drone was used to apprehend a civilian in North Dakota?  Or did you just pick a state where the people are less dependant on the gubermant and have lots of guns.


Oh shit, I think I hear the helecopters coming and the tactical team is about to bust down my door.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:15 | 1989245 jeff montanye
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i'm not sure of what he said or what you said but i'm interested to read it.  beats the hell out of yelling at the tv or swatting the nyt.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:28 | 1989272 Wu-tang Von Mises
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I recently came across the Errant Sovereign's Handbook thanks to a fellow ZH'er. I was curious as to how long you've been sovereign and how painstaking ( if at all) the process was? This is the path I want to pursue for my family and myself. Any knowledge you could share would be greatly appreciated!

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:46 | 1989309 outofhere
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It ain't easy!

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:55 | 1989736 jonan
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sweet handle bro! protect ya neck!

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:08 | 1989379 tarsubil
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Sorry to hear that. It is too bad we weren't able to chat before you went down this road. The Federal Government is good at only two things: killing people and blowing things up. That is it. If you want to resist the government, the only way to lose is to attempt to win at the game of killing and blowing things up. The Federal Government is simply the best at that and you have no chance. To think that you could have just laid low and watched the Federal Government implode within the next ten years without doing a thing. Such a waste.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 14:27 | 1990022 saiybat
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For what point? If you're a sovereign it doesn't matter what everybody else does. You do your own thing without regard to what any authority commands to you. If you get treated like a serf and you take it then you're doing something wrong and you're not so sovereign after all. Being free is a state of mind and a way of life it doesn't matter what kind of environment you're in.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 18:04 | 1990346 Abitdodgie
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What I am finding is that the courts and countys just ignore the rules , what I am mad about is the , pay it or go to prison and fuck what the law says. As we all know there is no financial rule of law any more.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:07 | 1989111 FMR Bankster
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Donated again today. I live in Iowa and for those who don't think he can win I'm telling you he'll win here in Iowa. Can't speak for other places. But it's one step at a time. One thing completely missed by the mainstream press is the fact that a big chunk of kids under 30 (Ok, you can tell I'm old) are catching on to the fact they are being set up as the bag holders. Set up to pay for life and get nothing (or very little) in return. They are all very polite and rarely mention this to their baby boomer parents. The press believes it's all about the anti-war views but that relects their own, 1960's, attitudes reflected onto others. (although most of this group does believe our recent wars have been anti productive and moronic)

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:21 | 1989405 I Got Worms
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That is wonderful to hear. I'm broke here in Texas, but still threw him a hundy today, and harrassed my brother and parents until they (reluctantly) did the same.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 14:12 | 1989992 saiybat
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Imagine without corporation donations the other candidates wouldn't be able to raise enough money to run for town mayor.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:59 | 1988676 rodocostarica
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Right on bernorange. Ron Paul needs some help today. $5.00 at least from each of us ZHers.

This is the four year anniversary of the Tea Party moneybomb (anniversary of original Boston Tea Party) where Ron Paul raised 6 million.

Hence the TEA PARTY. 


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Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:39 | 1989172 Seer
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I'm confused, are we supporting Ron Paul or we support the Tea Party?  Seem that the Tea Party has plenty of deep pockets (Kochs).

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:19 | 1989254 bernorange
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The Kochs, and their political apparatus (CATO, et. al.) have long been at odds with Ron Paul (more). They went to great lengths to smear Ron during the '07/08 campaign.  It's only just recently that they invited Ron to speak at CATO's annual monetary conference

The Tea Party money bomb was named after the Boston tea party.  December 16 is the anniversary of that event.  The Tea Party money bomb that supporters organized for Ron in '07 achieved over $6 million setting a single day campaign finance record (at the time) and pushed Ron into the spotlight (at the time).  It was the spark that really ignited the groundswell of support that eventually grew with discontent over TARP and bailouts into the "tea party movement".  Of course, the various and disparate tea party organizations that exist today all have their own agendas and many are funded and steered by GOP operatives like Dick Armey et. al.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:10 | 1989384 chunga
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The Tea Party people are all fucked.

The vast majority of them will only vote [R] no matter what. Look at their candidates...they blow. Where did that ass Herman Cain go to? And for some reason they hate Ron Paul??? I read one of the bigger right-wing tea party blogs (the name of which I won't utter here) and they are beside themselves. There is only thing they agree on and thats Obama is to blame for every single thing that is bad from the beginning of time to eternity.They also mock the occupy people. I was stunned to watch them blab endlessly how Iraq Vet Scott Olsen "got what he had coming to him" when Oakland PD tagged him in the head with some sort of rubber bullet and followed up with a flash grenade. Fox News and Rush Limbaugh will do that to ya. When I saw that I stopped going there after 15 years of almost daily visits.

I admit - a long time ago - I actually liked Gingrich. His "Department of Happiness" speech was great back when all he did was throw pies at $lick Willie.

Now he makes me wanna barf. I tell you what. If you think the country is polarized now, if Diebold annoints Gingrich it will get much worse.

I think a few of the Tea Party people will end up voting for Ron Paul but when I talk to them we disagree on most things. My family has a bunch of them and we argue all the time. I'm going to send in a few fiats to his campaign and sneak some bumper stickers on their cars.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 02:35 | 1989530 covsire
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I thought everyone mocked the occupy people? 

They break the law, they stink(literally), they take no responsibility for their behavior, they're filthy moral degenerates that if we had to rely on them to save this country, our GDP would tumble like Oprah headfirst off a cliff.  They are products of socialism, completely crippled in their education and discipline, yet they walked right past the socialists in Congress and the WH who made them the way they are and are supposed to be infuriated with the true villains, Wall Street. 

Get real.  They are like children who begged for nothing but candy, which left-leaning politicians delivered truckloads of and now they're sick and are blaming everyone but the guys who fed them their whole lives.  OWS is a distraction, for the left, by the left, nothing more and nothing less. 

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 11:55 | 1989791 SystemsGuy
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I've spent a fair amount of time talking with people who have been involved with OWS. Most dislike Obama precisely because he has been Bush Lite, and many are actually supporters of Ron Paul, even though they are very distrustful of the GOP in general - they are nearly as distrustful of the Dems. It skews young and progressive, but there's a significant percentage (25-30%) that are 55 and older.  Quite a few came from the Tea Party when it looked like it was still a legitimate movement, before it was bought up by the Koch brothers, ClearChannel and Fox News.

The prevailing view there is that government has essentially been captured by the banks, that the Federal Reserve is now calling the shots, and the political system is just feeding in politicians (top to bottom) who can be most easily be bought ... attitudes that seem to be fairly prevalent on Zero Hedge. There is a radical fringe to it, certainly, though I would hardly call Bachmann, Perry, et al., "moderates", but for the most part its people who have been screwed by economic policy driven by the banks, for the banks. When business controls the government process, then policy is going to only become more skewed towards the banks and away from the average person. Get the banks out of the process and you will get a Congress much more likely to be more balanced in their deliberations. 

Not sure that Ron Paul is better, but I'm inclined to support him precisely because I think that he'd be inclined to fight the moneyed interests on both sides of the aisle. I reluctantly voted for Obama, but I won't be this time around.

By the way, when you are willing to take to the streets and forego modern amenities in order to protest higher taxation, I might be willing to take you seriously. When your entire argument comes down to "They stink", then you show yourself as just being ignorant, and unable to come up with a legitimate argument.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 14:01 | 1989976 covsire
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See, anyone calling Obama "Bush Lite" loses all credibility with anyone with a brain.  Obama is Bush on STEROIDS, not lite.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 15:45 | 1990160 Ben Dover
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I prefer Cheney Part Deux.

As a lefty who voted for Barry the first time around, I can guarantee that my vote won't go that way again. I dislike a lot of Paul, but the part I love is that he might just have the balls necessary to stand up to TPTB. That would get my vote.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 22:51 | 1990639 chemystical
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ubiquitous t-shirts and bumper stickers should be shouting this next year:


Sadlly, too many of the erstwhile idiots will cast a vote for Tweedle (R). 

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 00:10 | 1990722 Things that go bump
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That will get him killed, more's the pity.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 22:17 | 1989613 Taint Boil
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......... Fox News viewers were overwhelmingly misinformed ................. that about says it all.

Don't forget the Christmas tree tax - big surprise another Fox News Lie

I am NOT an Obama fan but lies are lies and that is wrong - very, very wrong if you are a fair and balanced (LOL, sorry) "news" network.

Let's not forget Clinton who rips off the head of fox news and shits down their neck.

Get ready for WWIII Fox News is paving the way - gee that sounds familiar.

In case you haven't noticed I am NOT fair and balanced .........

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 22:56 | 1990648 chemystical
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I tuned into Fox & Friends, and Hannity & Combs, and O'Reilly every now and then up until 9/11.  From that moment forward it was clear that the extent to which they are fair and balanced is that they are war-mongering PTB shills from the "right" to provide "balance" to the war-mongering-PTB shills from the "left".   The aisle that "divides" then is one of the Synagogue of Satan's grandest illusions.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 10:17 | 1991250 Taint Boil
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very dangerous indeed

 ........... Rupert Murdoch has used his vast media empire to gain access to the world's most powerful leaders and to influence the election of presidents and prime ministers

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:39 | 1989434 technovelist
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$201.20 more from me. Go Ron Paul!

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 21:57 | 1989089 my puppy for prez
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To cheer you up, I donated my third round of $201.12 YESTERDAY.  See?  You didn't even have to remind me!

Dr. Paul CAN win.............YES....HE.....CAN!  (couldn't resist)

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:37 | 1989168 Michael
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Just trying to help the good doctor and what's left of my country.

Thank you!

Thank you for your generous donation!
Amount: $100.00

Your welcome!

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:54 | 1989199 Surly Bear
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My liberal, northeastern, professor wife is voting for Ron Paul, and with me that's +2 for him.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:56 | 1989206 wiebern
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Amount: $50.00
Transaction ID: 326446475
Transaction date/time: 2011-12-16 20:49:21

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:07 | 1989227 dumbfounded
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About RPs electibility: I would vote for him and it would be the first time that i would vote Republican.

If it was any of the other republican candidates up against Obama, i would probably be forced to deface my ballot !

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:04 | 1989370 Potemkin Villag...
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I 'wrote in' Ron Paul in 2008...

Unfortunately, I didn't get my wish...

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 23:00 | 1990652 chemystical
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In 1992, if only half of the people who said, "I would have voted for Perot but he had no chance",,,,actually voted for him....he'd have been POTUS.

We were told 24/7 that a vote for Perot was wasting your vote.   The only wasted vote is when you do NOT vote for what you want.  If you do not vote for what you want, then you will get it only by accident.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 12:18 | 1989812 NoClueSneaker
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I'm not sure if the whole money of the world can put RP on the ballot.

Globalised Lame Ass Media will never ever allow RP to say even a word, doesn't matter if GOP or Dems steered jingomaniacs ...

Perverted vasals of TPTB r strangling every single trace of decency, and I'm not sure if all the money of the world could buy the time for RP...

Haven't we heard an uproar from the audience, anytime when an corrupt journalist cut a time for RP ?

They behave like a pigs, and noone dares to say a word ...

 Same thing here in EU. RP makes the second in the pool, not a sinle word of his existence. It's simply rediculous ....

The system works, and now, everything what could help an decent man to take the Office is blasted away, with the help of the Supreme Court.

What would RP need ? A billion? GS, GE, JPM or Cock Bross can match it anytime ...

 Any ideas ?





Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:24 | 1988539 john39
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depends on how you define better relations... if you mean more often and vigorous ass rapings of the american people, sure.  but you get that regardless of which sham party you vote for.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:00 | 1988680 Dasa Slooofoot
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Because white people believe the magical negro meme peddled by hollywood. 

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 15:28 | 1990131 Cathartes Aura
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did tha white peeple believe the magical texan meme fer dubya?

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 02:09 | 1989514 Diogenes
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How quickly everyone forgets. No one voted for Obama. They voted against Bush. A stuffed dummy could have won against the Republicans in 2008.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 12:08 | 1989803 TuesdayBen
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A stuffed dummy won against the Republicans in 2008. Bagman Hussein Obush.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:27 | 1988552 Eally Ucked
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No, everybody voting for him expected delivery but unfortunately it never materialized. Next year is even worst.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:33 | 1988590's picture

Dr. Paul delivers.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:54 | 1988656 centerline
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I know many people who voted for him hoping for something different.  This was truly the basis for his support.

I warned that no matter who was elected, they would be pulled into the machine immediately (if not already in it).  The system can't afford the truth to be known.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:00 | 1988682 WonderDawg
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I like your posts, Centerline. You seem to put in words exactly what I'm thinking. Almost scary.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:12 | 1988729 Potemkin Villag...
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Obama 2012 'get out the vote' slogan:


[snark - but 'catchy' none the less, no?]

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:56 | 1988841 JR
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That's really good!!!

You think this is good?  You just wait, "YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!"'


Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:22 | 1989260 nmewn
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No Hope & Keep the Change.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:26 | 1989411 I Got Worms
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Potempkin - I see what you did there. :-)

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:21 | 1988750 centerline
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Thanks WonderDawg.  It has been really fascinating in a tragic sort of way watching Obama get sucked into the machine - or the "transparity" promised showing what it really meant.  LOL.  Hard to say from the distance we sit what the story is.  No matter what, the invisible hand is showing itself!  I do think that these simple things speak volumes about the situation.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:28 | 1988771 WonderDawg
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Yep, like watching a slow motion train wreck. The invisible hand is visible to those who look for it, but unfortunately, we're a small percentage of the population. Getting larger, though. I'm afraid the outcome is already baked in, though, but maybe the damage can yet be minimized, but time is running out. I don't think we have until the elections next year. I think the shit will hit the fan early in 2012. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 20:41 | 1988934 Bananamerican
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"sucked into the machine"

"Look, you'll be the 1st negro president of america,'re going to have to play ball with us...mehe, heHeheh...MWA HAAA HAAAAaaaaa"

"hey, uh, I need a ciggy...lemme go outside an' think about it, ok?..."

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:53 | 1989688 Bobbyrib
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He made a lot of promises and broke 95% of them. I think there will be a study for his Presidency on why being too much of a bullshit artist is terrible for your Presidency and politicians may take care to pour out less bullshit in the future.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 12:44 | 1989830 SystemsGuy
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Yup, on both points. Bush had clearly checked out by August 2008, and was no doubt dedicated to become a full fledged alcoholic by then. McCain became the GOP nominee because TPTB knew that anyone coming after Bush was going to inherit a depression, the GOP itself was disintegrating, and the GOP power brokers hoped that an old war horse and an attractive (and mentally fluffy) female VP would appeal to voters, without putting much real effort into finding credible candidates. The fact that the GOP is having trouble fielding viable ones even now says volumes. Hillary Clinton would have beaten McCain handily (and truth be known, I voted for Hillary in the primaries, because I felt that she had far more experience, was more progressive than her husband while not being a "statist" and because I believe that she's actually more competent, baggage and all).

Would Ron Paul get co-opted? I rather doubt it. He's not a paragon of virtue - I'm not terribly fond of a lot of his social policies, but he strikes me as being a pragmatist rather than an ideologue. He's old enough that the chances of him seeking a second term are slim, which means that he's less likely to be bought out, and he's also old enough that threats on his life don't carry the weight they might have at one point. Obama was young, ambitious, had a young family that was a potential liability (hostages) and was easily influenced by the political insiders from the centrist Dem side, who are about as captured as the bulk of the Republicans are.

Of course, this calculus is also well known to TPTB. Ron Paul is dangerous, precisely because he has so little leverage that can be used against him. It would end up pitting him against the more corrupted members of his own party and their sponsors, potentially splitting the GOP down the middle. He would also have a power base that would stem from both the economic libertarians on the right and the progressives on the left (who for the most part are not 60s liberals - they've seen what 50 years of top-down social intervention brings), and would complete the power shift that is going on now between the centralists (those trying to aggregate power into a single central hub) and the decentralists (those trying to distribute power, both economic and politic), which is where I see the new political equilibrium. The centralized financial interests and their bought government servants will fight him tooth and nail.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 15:32 | 1990137 Cathartes Aura
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do you also believe that voting in RPaul will be another vote for the machine /system?  that this is yet another "vote for hoping for something different"?

I think it's crucial that folk understand where amrka IS, and how it got there - let "hope" meet reality for a change. . .

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 20:03 | 1988854 TrulyBelieving
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He delivered exactly what he promised.... Fundamental transformation, remember? 

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 18:57 | 1988663 legal eagle
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Voted for Obama because of what he said he would do.....and will not vote for him again because he he did none of those things.......I could care less if his skin was purple.

I think most people are like me, they want substance and do not care about whether someone is fat, gray. black, yellow, short, etc.   Think man.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:42 | 1988809 Seasmoke
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obama is 50% white, no way he could ever be purple........darrius miles, now he might be purple

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 21:43 | 1988885 TrulyBelieving
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Perhaps it's you that needs to think. Obama delivered exactly what was promised. Socialism isn't what you expected? And substance, or color, has no more to do with it than good hair.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:00 | 1989216 midtowng
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Obama didn't promise socialism and he didn't deliver it.

Obama's problem was that he was a much more well-spoken version of George W. Bush.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:36 | 1989267 TrulyBelieving
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Socialized health care(which was delivered)?  His statement of the need to 'spread the wealth around' to Joe the Plumber? Fundamental Transformation speech?  All of these are just a few examples of socialist idealogy. Gotta ask, Where have you been?

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:02 | 1989358 weinerdog43
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Not watching Fox News.  You?

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:11 | 1989377 TrulyBelieving
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Can't stand it. What do you watch, 'Dancing with the  Stars?' So you are saying that Obama didn't promise socialised medicine or didn't say the things stated in my first post?

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:31 | 1989422 weinerdog43
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Couldn't tell from your Republic Party fanboy talking points.  And no, I don't waste time reading those sort of things.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 02:44 | 1989537 covsire
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You are among enlightened true believers here sir, your clear evidence that Obama is a huge f'ing socialist who is surrounded by marxist and communist friends all around him, wont work.  Try someone with intellectual honesty, these guys have punchlines to repeat 100x to join the social club they've got their eye on.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 03:39 | 1989566 Arkadaba
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Sorry but every developed country except the US has some type of universal health care. If you did any research, you would know that it actually lowers business costs. Obama didn't deliver anything like "socialized" health care - he delivered a gift to the insurance companies.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 07:43 | 1989622 Firing Pin
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Spoken like a true business non-owner...

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 01:50 | 1989496 StychoKiller
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I've posted this before, but this looks like a good spot:

Here are seven things that a good attempt at Health Insurance reform should do:

1. Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits.
Now employer health insurance benefits are fully tax-deductible
(for the Employer, that is!), but individual health insurance is not
(So sorry, middle-class, wage-slave!).

2. Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines.  We should all have the legal right to purchase health insurance from any insurance company in any state and we should be able to use that insurance wherever we live. With no real competition in CA, is it any wonder that Blue Cross can raise their rates around 39%?

3. Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover.  These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars.  What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying. Why should a single man have to pay extra for OB-Gyn coverage, for example?

4. Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. Perhaps then Doctors can go back to ordering medical tests when they're necessary and not just to cover their @ss, when dealing with some lawsuit-happy patient!

[From "The Bill of No RIghts:"


You do not have the right to be free from harm.  If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all of your relatives independently wealthy. ]

5. Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health care treatments cost. Ever see a price list in a Doctor's office?  Neither have I, yet we're expected to pay $?? whenever we get an appointment!

6. We need to face up to the actuarial fact that Medicare is heading towards bankruptcy and enact reforms that create greater patient empowerment, choice and RESONSIBILITY. Too many people (especially their children!) order Doctors to "Spare No Expense" when it comes to saving granny's life, even though she's been bed-ridden and on a ventilator for the last year.  With no Quality of life, just what are these people trying to save?

7. Revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a voluntary, tax deductible donation to help millions of people who have no insurance.  In Minnesota, we can volunteer to spend some extra tax for a Wildlife fund, why not a "People's Health Fund?"

Note that ObamaCare does none of the these things!


[From "The Bill of No Rights:"


You do not have the right to free health care.  That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.]

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." — Benjamin Franklin

A health care plan written by a committee who's chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a President who also hasn't read it and smokes, administered by a Treasury Chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.  What could possibly go wrong?


Seems like the Lunatics in D.C. are running the Asylum!

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 13:04 | 1989866 Jena
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It all makes far too much sense to ever happen.  Also, you are on The List.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 08:51 | 1989643 Tegrat
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> "His statement of the need to 'spread the wealth around' to Joe the Plumber?" 

He said this well *before* the election and this stataement alone was enough to make me believe that most Americans would not vote this one. I could not believe there were still millions who voted for him after this was aired. It truely shows that 55million who voted for Obama are sheep or ignorant. The 43% would think he needs a 2nd term need a warning shot to the base of the skull.

Ron Paul's domestic conservatism would be great for this country but his foreign policy is closer to Obamas' than any other candidate. Not sure if he's going to anything but destroy solidarity on those against Obama.


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:55 | 1989690 midtowng
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The health care reform bill was anything BUT socialized medicine.

I'm guessing you don't really know what it does.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:56 | 1989693 Bobbyrib
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The Healthcare Reform Act didn't have a public option and required everyone to buy health insurance (who could afford it). Seems to me it would be socialism in the form of wealth redistribution and corporate welfare (law requiring you to buy insurance from thieves).

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 12:46 | 1989831 Xkwisetly Paneful
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No socialism at all.

To go from 90% of the country insured to 95% insured they have already created 168 federal boards and agencies.

with the end result being exactly the same:

the insureds paying for the uninsureds except now there is massive government taking a cut.


Socialism is defined by who controls the means to production.  IT is obvious in a littany plus one of industries that the government controls the means of production via both ludicrous regulation-just see health insurance and by being the largest consumer.

HEalthcare shows the graphic epic fail of socialism.  THe insurance companies via the government have seen fit to enact mountains of regulations and capital requirements to enter the industry limiting competition and dictating policy. i.e every doctor's visit should not be covered, insurance was designed for catastrophic loss.


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 14:59 | 1990087 Bobbyrib
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"every doctor's visit should not be covered, insurance was designed for catastrophic loss."

Agreed, I think the price of a doctor's visit would go back to what it used to cost (inflation adjusted of course). Health insurance may decrease as a result too.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 15:50 | 1990168 midtowng
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Sure there is ludicrous and taxes, but it is only for the little guy. The big guys are taxed and regulated less than ever.

What you are describing is fascism, not socialism.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 17:43 | 1990326 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Sorry they are not taxed and regulated less than ever.

There is more red tape and capital involved in starting a bank, insurance company and numerous others than ever.

That red tape/reserves et al as shown in 2008 was largely useless but was increased anyway,

and is largely in place not to safeguard consumers but to prevent others from entering the industry.

They are insurmountable barriers to entry created by the big business and the government.

Textbook socialism-at the end of the day the government determines who plays and who doesn't to the detriment of the entire free world.


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 15:49 | 1990165 Tom Terrific
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Maybe you should look up the definition of socialism.  Obama is a fascist puppet.  No more, no less.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 17:39 | 1990321 Xkwisetly Paneful
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The difference between totalitarian fascism and totalitarian communism,

is a nationalism component-that is all that separated Mao from Adolph.

There is no nationalistic component here.

The means of production are controlled by the government and that is textbook socialism.

To the extreme it is totalitarian communism.


Fri, 12/16/2011 - 20:49 | 1988913 Max Fischer
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I agree.  Most people voted for Obama for what he promised and stood for, NOT for something as superficial as the color of his skin.  Were there some who voted for him because he's black? Yep, absolutely. Of couse.  But no more than the racist pigs all over this land who voted against him because he's black, as well.  The argument is a wash.

Trav is just a white supremacist freak who looks at everything through the kaleidoscope of demographics.  He's an American Brevik, only angrier and more bitter.   

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 21:06 | 1988975 SilverCoinLover
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That was a cheap shot at Trav, hence my arrow down. And what the hell is this Civis Mundi (citizen of the world) all about? Count me out, I don't want that kind of Liberal "progress". Civis Mundi is just another reason to vote for Ron Paul.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:12 | 1989390 Potemkin Villag...
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"Most people voted for Obama for what he promised and stood for..."

No... No... No...

Most (like you), voted for him because they have the thinking capacity of an Imperial Stormtrooper on Mos Isley whilst Obi Wan passes by in the passenger seat of a land speeder...

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 02:53 | 1989544 covsire
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Most people voted for Obama because the media drumbeat was against Bush and Obama was portrayed as the white(ok half white) knight in shining armor.  They think it's because of what he promised, but thats just the answer they think everyone wants to hear.  Obama made very few actual promises, other than "change".  ONly a bleeding moron would elect someone to high office without specifically knowing what they'll do.  So either most democrats are bleeding imbecils, or they knew it would result in socialist/communist policies and voted anyway.  EIther way, they're bleeding imbecils.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:59 | 1989696 Bobbyrib
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Three important promises he did not deliver on:

1. No lobbyist in his White House.

2. Public option on Healthcare.

3. Not to extend the Bush Tax cuts.

I could look up his lies to see what else he promised, but why should I? They're lies and you haven't a clue what he promised.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:14 | 1989702 Potemkin Villag...
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Yeah how about going from putting all Congressional debates on CSPAN, to private backroom meetings where Pelosi tells everyone they just have to sign it so they can see what's in it?

How about troops out of Iraq, instead of just shuffling chesspieces in the ME?

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:24 | 1989712 Bobbyrib
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Yep, two more lies. He promised more open government and troop withdrawal from Iraq. Now he's withdrawing past his original deadline.

I'm sure the Defense Authorization Bill was the result of backroom deals too. It certainly wasn't debated as much as it should in Congress.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 01:55 | 1989498 StychoKiller
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Have to disagree with you!  Most voted for Obamatron because he was NOT G.W. Bush/a Republicon!  Actually being able to string together more than one coherent sentence didn't hurt his chances either.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:29 | 1989670 rbg81
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Actually, a lot of people DID vote for Obama because of his skin color.  Aside from Blacks wanting to see the first Black American elected President, many White people voted for him just to show how tolerant they were.  It also didn't help that McCain was a moron programmed to self-destruct.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 20:40 | 1988929 Atomizer
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When Obama lies, his lips turn purple.

Reagan Vs. Obama - Social Economics 101

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:45 | 1989179 Seer
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I stepped up my thinking a LONG time ago.  I discovered that the govt cannot give you anything that you cannot already get, so, I stopped voting for IT.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:55 | 1989339 pods
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Yep, and they sure as hell can prevent you from getting something, and even take away what you did get.

Methinks Bastiat is looking down on us disheartened, but refusing to say "I told you so."


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:22 | 1989710 GMadScientist
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You think corporations and/or roving bands of brigands are easier to defend your stuff from?

Bastiat was a spoiled little pussy who never worked for anything in his entire pompous life. Idolize away.


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:31 | 1989719 pods
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I do not idolize Bastiat. I see alot of truth in what he wrote.

What he gave to society was an illustration of what was to come.  Do you think that regulatory capture is not a problem?  Legalized plunder?

Corporations?  Of course you jackass.  What do you think the USA and every single municipality in the country is?

Get a clue.


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 01:56 | 1989501 StychoKiller
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You cannot give Govt. Officials any rights that you do not have yourself.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:56 | 1989204 midtowng
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Now you are just making sense. Some people here aren't going to hear it.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 19:47 | 1988818 Don Birnam
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The Novelty:

The first foreign-born president ?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 20:32 | 1988908 TwelfthVulture
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The Novelty:

The first president whose every living relative resides ILLEGALLY in the country?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:58 | 1989211 Freddie
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The only thing more disgusting than the muslim usurper, who will throw American detractors in Gitmo, is the scum who voted for him. I knew a few including some relatives and business people.  The businesses keep calling me and will never see a dime of business again.  The (ex) relatives are dead people to me.  

The islamic controls the internet and the skynet drones already being used on Ameican citizens.  

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:45 | 1989308 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I see the television still has you brainwashed about Islam.


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 16:34 | 1990232 Calmyourself
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The dungeon under the madrassas and the woman beheaded for sorcery in Saudi more propaganda, honor killings, stoning and hanging homo's.  Jeez your blind & stupid name should be all 3 stooges, see no evil, hear no evil, speak plenty..

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 21:41 | 1990584 TheFourthStooge-ing
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If all you're going to do is cherry pick from amongst the extremists, you could say the same thing about any religion, or any group or category of people. For every heinous act you cited above, there exist equivalents which have been carried out by people who claimed to be Christian.

Insane, intolerant, power-mad authoritarians are not the exclusive trademark of any religion, political system, or any other "ism" into which you choose to categorize people. If you choose to believe that "all [arbitrary group of people] are [arbitrary evil characteristic]", then you're just drinking someone's kool-aid.

I understand that, for some, deep thought can be unfamiliar and painful. Ignorance is certainly the comfortable choice for many. Bear in mind, though, that many readers of this site are here because they've decided to reject ignorance, even if it means rethinking some long held assumptions.

A man revered both by Christians and Moslems once said that you might want to consider the plank in your own eye before you consider the speck of sawdust in the eye of your brother. Two thousand years, and not a thing has changed.


Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:58 | 1989344 pods
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I know, ever since the muslim came into office I cannot find any porn on the internet.



Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:27 | 1989414 Potemkin Villag...
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I don't care for most 'Freddie' comments... But I'll agree on one thing (though the +1 in not mine)...

I'll agree that what's MORE disgusting are the ones who voted for him...

As mentioned above, I 'wrote in' Ron Paul (in 2008)... I wasn't in the country, and therefore did not partake in any elections of George Bush, or even Bill Clinton for that matter...

It makes me laugh all the people whose only argument is... "Well, the only option was McCain/Palin"... NO - it wasn't... If you had any mind at all, you could have wrote in Ron Paul... How many think Al Gore would have made a difference?

Hell - the last time I participated in a vote (having been in the country at the time & of legal voting age was Ronald Reagan (and that was only because Walter Mondale was the only other choice)...

What ever happened to the good ol days in America where 'Soupy Sales' was a perennial candidate?

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 01:58 | 1989505 StychoKiller
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What ever happened to the good ol days in America where 'Soupy Sales' was a perennial candidate?

Yer confused, that comedian was Pat Paulson.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:53 | 1989190 earleflorida
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yeah,... but, look at these guys and gal --- the horror?  

Secretary of State: Henry Kissinger & Madeline Albright

*Nat'l Security Advisors: Henry Kissinger & Brzezinski


any questions of why, we are where were at?

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:02 | 1989697 Bobbyrib
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Yes, did the Neo-Conservative liberals like Reagan, G.H. Bush and G.W.Bush have anything to do with it? What about Nixon?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 21:08 | 1988981 economics1996
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$5 trillion later it is no novelty and Obama accomplished what he wanted, getting back at the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant people.

One payback deserves another.  

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:01 | 1989094 TrulyBelieving
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And what exactly did the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant people do to him that deserves this payback?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:52 | 1989194 midtowng
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Wow. So he hates white people, and that's why he screwed the working class in the country.

Never mind that minorities are overwhelmingly working class, while the rich ones who benifited were overwhelmingly WASPs.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 03:00 | 1989549 boom goes the d...
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so who said he was smart other than messnbc and the rest of the useful idiots?  They sure the fuck don't want his transcripts released, or is that racist request?

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:06 | 1989698 Lednbrass
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Overwhelmingly WASP? Got anything to base this on, or you just think so?

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 22:16 | 1989121 Pimp Juice
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President Paris Hilton.

Fuckable but talentless.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 23:47 | 1989315 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You're either batting .500 or you have pretty low standards.


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:00 | 1989351 pods
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I've hit worse.


Sat, 12/17/2011 - 00:33 | 1989425 Potemkin Villag...
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That's HOT!!!

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