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Class Warfare Blowback: Majority Of Americans Want Obama Out
The ever-eloquent populist-in-chief has just turned an important corner. It seems that the clear class warfare escapades he has been engaging in recently have backfired as, according to a poll by Associated Press-GfK, a majority of adults, 52 percent, said Obama should be voted out of office while 43 percent said he deserves another term. This confirms the report from the previous Gallup poll, that our President heads into election year with a significant problem: "Heading into his re-election campaign, the president faces a conflicted public. It does not support his steering of the economy, the most dominant issue for Americans, or his overhaul of health care, one of his signature accomplishments..." While understandably the party preferences bias for and against, it is the Independents that must be the greater concern as "The president's standing among independents is worse: Thirty-eight percent approve while 59 percent disapprove." Given the fact that its-the-economy-stupid, we wonder just how long the entirely independent and sacrosanct Federal Reserve will remain on the sidelines, or is QE3 coming Jan 1st?
From TIME magazine article: Poll: Obama Re-Election Odds About 50-50
The economy remains a source of pessimism, though the poll suggests the first positive movement in public opinion on the economy in months. One in five said the economy improved in the last month, double the share saying so in October. Still most expect it to stay the same or get worse.
"I suppose you could make some sort of argument that it's getting better, but I'm not sure I even see that," said independent voter John Bailey, a 61-year-old education consultant from East Jordan, Mich. "I think it's bad and it's gotten worse under (Obama's) policies. At best, it's going to stay bad."
Despite the high rate of joblessness, the poll found some optimism on the economy. Although 80 percent described the economy as "poor," respondents describing it "very poor" fell from 43 percent in October to 34 percent in the latest poll, the lowest since May. Twenty percent said the economy got better in the past month while 37 percent said they expected the economy to improve next year.
Yet plenty of warning signs remain for Obama. Only 26 percent said the United States is headed in the right direction while 70 percent said the country was moving in the wrong direction.
The president won a substantial number of female voters in 2008 yet there does not appear to be a significant tilt toward Obama among women now. The poll found 44 percent of women say Obama deserves a second term, down from 51 percent in October, while 43 percent of men say the president should be re-elected.
About two-thirds of white voters without college degrees say Obama should be a one-term president, while 33 percent of those voters say he should get another four years. Among white voters with a college degree, 57 percent said Obama should be voted out of office.
The poll found unpopularity for last year's health care overhaul. About half of the respondents oppose the health care law and support for it dipped to 29 percent from 36 percent in June. Just 15 percent said the federal government should have the power to require all Americans to buy health insurance.
Even among Democrats, the health care law has tepid support. Fifty percent of Democrats supported the health care law, compared with 59 percent of Democrats last June. Only about a quarter of independents back the law.
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Who is president matters not (sorry, I like RP but this stuff is structural and a "democracy" won't choose to discipline itself)...Time will come soon for a knock down, drag out kerfuffle over who owns this country, it's resources, it's money, it's justice system, it's government. AR's highly recommended (the more who have them lowers the likelihood they'll ever be needed).
BTW - I voted for big O as couldn't imagine a bigger prick than Bush 2 (big O is now my worst nightmare)...vote was pre-awakening that party politics are all diversion for the real thieves
I see you put on the sunglasses and can now see.
I did the same thing a few years back after voting for this loser while holding my nose. Although, I doubt much would be any better, and perhaps even worse, with John McCain (National Defense Authorization Act sponsor) and Clueless Palin in office in his place.
I'm betting on nothing changing without this entire political/economic bus crashing into the wall or flying over the cliff. Then we can rebuild, but I see nothing to indicate it will change under its own accord.
I will also confess to voting for hope and change. Bad move. Went for intelligence over the douche/ignorance ticket. RP is really my only viable option now, although I am a little concerned about an attempt to make a 180 degree turn with this behemoth. Willing to give it a try, however...
All of you are fucking idiots and should not be allowed to vote ever again.
Muhcane WAS the better choice.
why, you ask...Trav, I thought u told the truth, I thought you said that wooden indian motherfuckin Hanoi John was a complete loser?
Well, yes, he is...but had Muhcane been in there, the MSM would have relentlessly hounded the wars as part of their partisan politics, like they did with Busch. When NeO was killing civilians at 10:1 to "insurgents," they fell completely silent. They just went along with it. There was no difference in bailouts or anything else between the two candidates, only in the treatment of their actions by the MSM.
Muhcane would have wanted to assassinate American Citizens as well but the MSM would have called ANYTHING HE DID out as detestable because he is in the GOP. And so there's likely odds some of this would have stopped or never have happened or at least been delayed or KNOWN by the average person who has no fucking clue what the fuck is going on.
+1 interesting to consider
@Trav
If your point is to basically say... FADE THE MSM 'anointed one'... Then basically I can't say I disagree...
Yeah right. The MSM gave Bush an absolute free ride because they didn't want to look like bullies picking on the retarded kid. It would have been the same with McLame. They'd have given him a free ride because he was a POW and he's old and getting senile.
Maybe you shouldn't vote again as your own analysis isn't as good as you think it is.
Standing up for (I have never done a fucking thing in my life except be a POW and marry an heiress) Muhcane is admirable...I salute you. But only with a half-assed salute, the kind reserved for those who were Daddys boys tring to make up for lost love...you know the kind.
"MSM would have relentlessly hounded the wars as part of their partisan politics, like they did with Busch."
The CONMedia were cheerleaders for Chimpy Bush's wars from the very start.
Shhhh! Don't confuse the Conneds. They like to keep kidding themselves that the corporate-owned MSM with all of it's high-paid, script-reading mouthpieces is liberal. It's the only way their black & white mind can understand the world.
Ahh, a vote to to use the system against itself to result in an earlier implosion. Interesting position. It all sucks of course.
Time to go grab another imported German beer and put some steaks on the grill. Enjoying the wonderful supply chains while they still are functional.
Trav, you're a complete asshole, but that does not change the fact that you may be right on this one.
Still, I dont regret my vote for obammy for one second when I start tripping out on the bizzaro fantasy that McAge might have died in office, and then we would have had palin in the Office of the President.
*That* is what allows me to forgive myself for my barack vote. No matter what, I could not let that brain-dead lady near the Oval Office.
And Obama isn't braindead?
CIA creations tend NOT to think for themselves...MK Ultra all the way!
No, Obama isn't brain-dead. He's cautious and coming from the Senate he wanted to be a consensus builder. As laid out, the ARRA act (aka the stimulus act) was actually a very good first step, even though it was too cautious, and by the time it came out of Congress, it had become too much of a porkbarrel project. TARP, in its initial form, was a necessary evil, but he them made the mistake of assuming that Geithner and Bernanke actually understood what needed to be done. That's about the time that Obama became captured. He embarked on health care reform at a bad time, politically and economically, and that mistake cost him the House and significantly weakened the Dems in the Senate.
Since then, he's been politically neutered. The global economy has been circling around a drain, and ironically his whole existence right now is in trying to keep the status quo intact, because the alternative is economic collapse. The reality is that the economy needs to collapse, and likely will collapse next year, because there's simply too many stressors acting on it, too much bad policy and too much risk in the system, and that system is now transitioning (relatively smoothly) to a lower energy state.
Had McCain become president, he would be dead from a heart attack within a year, Sarah Palin would have become president, and we would be on the brink of war with most of the rest of the world by now (assuming that the Pentagon didn't stage a coup prior to that, which I actually would have bet on).
I'm not trying to defend Obama here - I think he made some bad judgments in his attempt to do what was popular vs. what was right, and some of those disturb me because Obama isn't brain dead. I am saying that until you find yourself in the position of having to make those same decisions, declaring some one else a moron is far easier than living with the consequences of those decisions.
mcain is a traitor. interviews, with his fellow POWs, reveal, that he collaborated with his captors, not to the benefit of his compatriots, but for himself. establishing his bone fides, for politics.he's a punk bitch, and I wouldn't blame his wife, for finding a real man to fuck her.
@ Trav: All of you are fucking idiots and should not be allowed to vote ever again.
Muhcane WAS the better choice.
Anyone voting for a NWO stooge (e.g., Obama, McCain, Bush, Romney, Gingrich, Clinton - any of them) at this late stage, regardless of the excuse, is either an ignoramus, an idiot, or a shill... plain and simple.
Trav below me here is right, you fell for that media created bullshit image and actually used your most important right to install this inexperienced ass, hang your heads..
Agreed- the result w/ McCain or Big O was really going to be all the same...just optics and social issues utilized to pretend there is a difference.
Voting now is a joke. I'll vote for RP, donate to RP but the reality is his chance of getting the nomination is ever so slight, his chance of winning the general is ever so slight, his chance of enacting changes in government through congress to even begin fixing the country, economy...almost astronomical.
Real change will come when we no longer agree to be governed by an illegitimate "democratically" elected government run of the few, by the few, for the few. We must enter this negotiation from a point of strength...AR's highly recommended.
One of my fantasies is watching Ron Paul debate Obama and school him on monetary and foreign policy....it would be sooo sweet!
you're an idiot who trapped your mind in a false dliemma.
Don't ever vote again
McCain is just a liberal in republican clothing. Might as well have elected Sir Hilary.
Don't you mean fascist in Republican clothing? Where's a real liberal Democrat these days? They all seem to be fascist, corporate butt-kissing candidates to me, but then I'm not a conservative.
It's funny how everyone and everything that's not a Constitutional Conservative is a liberal to you guys. Do you find it hard to get beyond black & white thinking?
Kucinich and Bernie Sanders are the only ones that come to mind.
They all seem to be grow the government endlessly, regulate everything to the nth degree complete and total control freaks to me. What was once called totalitarianism- the only difference between the fascist brand and the commie brand being a nationlist component. But I am not a big government promoting liberal imbecile. Where is the real neo con republican? Does such a thing really even exist anymore?
Get past the point where growing the size and influence of the federal government exponentially is called neo conservatism?
It's funny how center is now left of even what used to be die hard moonbatism.
Do you find it hard denying the sky is blue?
Will you vote next year?
there's that false dilemma again
make that 2 idiots.
. It only takes $26 of electronics to remotely hack voting machines
It does matter, because the president can steer the direction of the collapse. When it call goes "boom," would you rather have a president say "ok, this is a disaster, it's in the hands of you, your neighbors, your town gov't and the local sheriff" or "this happened because the 50% of the country who are working are terrorists stealing from you poor folks that can't find a job. As of today, I am dissolving congress and implementing my nationalization plan to get your money back from the terrorists, and ordering the immediate arrest and assignment to reducation camps of all owners of non-sanctioned businesses."
Frankly I want RP to toss the keys back to our local governments, I'll take my chances with someone I can actually talk to.
"I'll take my chances with someone I can actually talk to."
Nice point.
Wow. Who'da thought that putting a Marxist Affirmative-Action pass-through ghetto-rabble-rousing HACK, who's been taught since birth to hate the country, in the highest office of the land, wouldn't work out? Shocking!
Why are you bringing up Chimpy Bush?
Really? Is that the best you can do? Your post is beyond brain-dead...
Because Bush was such a wonderful guy?
Bush was a fukkin toolbox, but that's beside the point. It's Pavlovian to assume that if one doesn't like our current 'President,' that they are therefore a fan of 'Bubba.'
That's why I asked. You can't tell the players without a program.
Coulda had Osama white, like that would be an improvement.
COMPLETE non-sequitur.. Obama is a horridly inexperienced shill created by the MSM and their handlers to do hwat he is now doing.. That has whht to do with anyone else as a direct comparison? Do we have a small stinging sensation in our head? No worries that is just pride fucking wich you and pride never helps it only hurts..
Marxist Affirmative-Action pass-through? Check.
ghetto-rabble-rousing HACK? Check, if you consider Skull & Bones to be rabble rousers made up of idiot kids from the inbred, inherited wealth ghetto.
who's been taught since birth to hate the country? Check, just like his dad and his grampy Prescott Bush.
Obama's just as fucked as Chimpy Bush, and Billdo Clinton, and Pappy Bush, and Grandpa Caligula (Reagan).
well, yeah, he sucked shit too...and?
and he's *hushed tones* white ?
as were each & every president before him? heavily skewed demographics. . .
Actually it's going better than anyone would have thought.
Pah! Easy to fix. Barry gets Timmay to mail a $300 check to every household in America, and Ben buys the paper to fund it.
Why does anyone still think that politics in America is complicated?
Only got one thing to say... " FUCK THAT ASSHOLE "
Does anyone else remeber that stupid two holer that was yelling after his election:
"he gonna put gas in my car! and help me pay my mortgage!"
She's probably one of them cursing her own
I remember a few seconds of a YouTube video of a woman who was excited when he won because she foolishly believed he cared about the lower classes.
It was taken badly out of context by viewers who were looking for some kind of justification to hate on niggers.
I am looking forward to Obama being ousted, but I'm afraid we're going to be waiting until 2016, given what the competition looks like. Maybe "this time will be different" with Ron Paul.
Wasn't that Maxine Waters that was saying that? Oh, that's right, she was yelling, "he gonna buy me a new wig and bail out my huband's (sic) bank".
Problem is, due to an intractable Republican congress, none of Obama's initiatives have been put in place. The health-care bill that was passed bears no resemblance to what he proposed or intended.
Health-care and insurance lobbyists ensured that any bill passed would not actually work or help people, and that they would get a huge cut of the pie. Then they can bitch about government inefficiency even though they helped to make sure it worked out that way.
But the very fact that such a thing could happen proves not only that government is inefficient but actually designed to enrich an elite class while impoverishing the productive class.
Government is the problem.
You are an anarchist then?
And yes, I know and understand the difference between anarchy and chaos, something the MSM and most folks do not know.
Are you advocating throwing the Constitution and laws? After all, that is government, which is the problem as you state.
I am a voluntaryist with low time preference.
First we restore the Constitution with the help of Ron Paul. Then we educate folks as to why it is never appropriate to force another person to do anything against his own interest and his own will. We educate people to understand that safety and security can be provided more effectively through a voluntary market rather than through giving an elite class the right to use violence against the rest of us.
Eventually we can achieve true liberty at least in some parts of the nation and the world. Those who want to continue under the whip of the elites and live under government will still have that opportunity and those who wish to live freely will final be availed of that right.
I can agree with much of that, but I doubt those with wealth and power will agree with it as easily, nor would they allow it. If people start to move in that direction you can bet those vested interests who have wealth and power due to this system will move to stop it.
That's when people will get scared when they realize they have to make it on their own since the entirety of the power structure, both public AND private have spend countless hours, money and resources ensuring the populace stays scared and dependent upon them. We may be close to seeing such things happen in the world soon enough.
The power of my convictions, not to mention sheer necessity, gives me the strength to believe that I may someday be free. And believe it or not I'm a cynic by nature. I look forward to sharing a bottle with you on the other side.
I'll twist up a doobie to go with it.
So why did he sign it instead of vetoing it?
So he could finish reading it to see what it actually contained.
I dont like obama but I am glad to see one dissenting opinion.
I am not sure if obama got his way that things would be better. Most of the stimulus went into things that would have no long term stimulatory effect so i certainly dont want more of that.
This is america and it was never supposed to be a high tax cradle to grave welfare state. And I fear his supreme court nominees are all believers in government solutions and flexible constitutions, giving more authority for the government to regulate our lives.
He wont do anything about regulatory overkill harming economic productivity except to say republicans want people to drink dirty water.
Obamas wife " for the first time" was proud of america, told the french presidents wife she hates being first lady, and they are both so far from mainstream american values it is easy to understand why people think he is a foreigner.
Obama is a nice guy. I love it that he has said americans are lazy and entitled, but his marxist leanings wont allow him to draw the logical pilicy responses from his statement about lazy entitled americans.
The republicans may not be good for much, but at least they will practice slash and burn methods to the federal budget. I believe the tea party, for all its faults, can slash the government and entitlements.
I will vote for anybody but obama
Here's you a Repub to vote for - slashing and burning as we speak...
Financial disclosure form shows Perry is collecting both state salary and retirement benefitshttp://www.washingtonpost.com/national/financial-disclosure-form-shows-perry-is-collecting-both-state-salary-and-retirement-benefits/2011/12/16/gIQA3eaoyO_story.html
You gotta remember Geronimo, it's different when a Rethug is doing the deception or scam. Then, it's for the good of the country, and patriotic and that crap. When a non-Rethug does the same thing it's reprehensible, and even terr'ristic.
Remember, double standards are okay in the Republican Party, but nowhere else!
Double standards and politics are interchangeable, imo. Almost all politicians are bought, just part of the system. 40% left, 40% right, 20% in the middle. I am in the middle. Never have found a party with all of my values, beliefs. Just try to pick the closest.
topcallingtroll, while actively hallucinating, stated:
Dude, you're out there! What was it, mushrooms? Mescaline? Three or four hits of Snoopy blotter? Sherman stick? Jimsonweed? Angel dust?
That's because the sole purpose of the 'healthcare bill' was TOTAL CONTROL of the sheeple, and not primarily to do with healthcare.
Republican CONgress? WTF? Typical Paulista.
Damn...this is incredible...lol!!!
"The health-care bill that was passed bears no resemblance to what he proposed or intended."
Well, if that was the case (as you say) he shouldn't have signed the damned thing >>>into law<<<.
"Problem is, due to an intractable Republican congress, none of Obama's initiatives have been put in place."
Back to back...side to side...upside down gross stupidity.
He had BOTH houses of congress for two years. Let me repeat...TWO YEARS!!!
He had the run of the place. Did anything and everything he wanted to do...and is still wreaking havoc by Executive Order. He still has the Senate where Reid is bottling up every fucking thing that comes over from the House.
You helped elect a fucking egomaniac who can't string two sentences together without his teleprompter and can't walk by a mirror without looking at himself. A "constitutional law professor" who blubbers on about "negative rights". Thnk about that concept. What and who's rights is/was he talking about?
He's talking about being a statist. And how the Constitution and the Bill of Rights restricts government action. Not the peoples.
I'm coloring you clueless & "Hopeless".
No further comment necessary, except to say that I nearly broke my finger up arrowing you.
+10000
I told my son three years ago...the time will come when those who voted for O'Bama will go through the five stages of grief.
Most here are smart enough and got to stage five way before the masses. Sometime last year by my recollection.
The problem is always the choices given to us. This can be overcome at the grassroots level and takes time. One party can be taken over or both parties can have sizeable portions shaved off to form a new party to realign the two old parties. The option of a third party is off the table (for me) for this cycle.
This puke has to go. He is directionless, alternating between monarch-in-chief and pacifist...between Chicago crony capitalist and Santa Claus. He is what was presented by the old line media if you think about it...a complete blank slate. Everyone could write or think what they wanted of him. But with that, he is also bereft of ideas or any emotion for the country. He is only for himself.
You should understand, I'm not "native" to the GOP. In fact the opposite considering my lineage. But it is the one most closely aligned with my principles, if not in past deeds, in the words. I know there are those in the other party who have the same principles. They are sickened by a Bwaney Fwank as much as I am of a Hank Paulson.
Accountability, responsibility and truth is whats lacking. And everyone with eyes sees it now.
Its a good day ;-)
oh , uh huh.....yellow dog democrat? perhaps...?
Gun rights & taxation is what made me change alliance. I have no use for a group of people (a party) who think they alone have the wisdom of Solomon.
On guns, they made a decision (as a group) to demonize an inanimate object. The people who used the object for evil are excused by them for thier actions. They had a bad childhood. Or the "man" did this to them, somehow made them do it. An entire cottage industry of lies & deciet grows up around this concept of a thing, composed of wood & metal, as evil and therefore cannot serve a useful purpose.
But the knife and baseball bat are exempt. I would point out there was never a proposed waiting period on cars or highly flammable liquids either. All potentially lethal. All can be used for good or evil.
On taxation, a decision was made that the state is the best dispenser of earnings. Not the individual. How could it not be otherwise when the citizen is subjected to a barrage of emotional appeals to allow the state to steal more of an individuals labor? Even with the track record of nations down through the centuries of mismanagement, incompetence, graft and corruption at the highest levels as a backdrop, somehow this idea of the angelic statist utopia lives on among the learned upper crust.
They construct tax law that largely exempts themselves. They "earn" their wages through capital gains, stock options & dividends while saying others are not paying their "fair share". The falsity of this particular emotional appeal finally manifested itself to all with the ridiculous admonition that 250k at the individual level is rich. Thats how out of touch they have become. They don't even understand the spider web of a tax code they have created for everyone else to try and follow.
Meanwhile, the "law givers", exempt themselves from insider trading and then pass the law that they front run the market on for their own profit. Then to add insult to injury, they vote themselves a raise for a job well done. They try to convince the untalented, who has zero passion and drive, that a four year degree in art will translate into untold riches. They lock up the ponzi-man for doing the very thing they themseves do. Apparently, for practicing a ponzi without a license.
This is the statist utopia.
His sole remaining purpose will be to "PARDON" some wayward bankers...
And another solution to get Obama reelected... give amnesty to illegals.
And really, if Ron Paul isn't the GOP nominee, it doesn't matter who gets elected, the same shit will continue... war, police state, banks raping everyone, corruption, etc.
As if CHANGING out Obama for the next bought and paid for shill from the Rethuglican party (Paul excluded) will matter.
The system has become corrupted at its core and changing the CEO will not matter. The mob will be tired of the kid a few months into 2012 unless drastic changes are made. The bankers and owners will not allow their minions to make those changes. Also, they will not allow someone to be elected who isn't owned by them.
Sorry folks, the sheep will actually have to make these changes themselves without throwing all of the responsibility on the president. Don't expect the slave owners to give up easily either, they didn't in the 1860's.
43% have no clue.
'You People!'
Dem 43% is 'sheep-otic'...you know, hypnotic, despotic, psychotic...whatever 'otic' fits.
I asked myself the same thing, who are these people? Then quickly decided I really did not want to know.
Of course, you could rationalize voting for Hussein-O to accelerate the decay and inevitable conclusion. Perhaps it would save RP's life too?
Right. Because you believe Rethugs are not sheep.
Have you even noticed that it's the Rethug party that's always in lock step with its leadership while the Dems are more like herding cats? Which is more sheep-like?
Is that a joke a more cowed inline caucus for bammy's first two years cannot be imagined.. Wasserman -schultz still slobbers in his presence.. Do you leave mom's basement?
Master of Puppets will make American people vote again 4 BARACK OBAMA HUSEIN.
...or Newt Hussein Gingrich, or Rique san Torum, or Mich el-Bachman.
The puppet strings all lead back to the same source.
Better get this before its banned, we are gonna need it. From Dictatorship to Democracy by Gene Sharp
http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/FDTD.pdf
and every time he glorifies the memory of George Bush, by calling the victory in Iraq a great accomplishment, or some other crap, he just puts a little more cement in his shoes. i suppose my teachers would say he is being polite, building consensus, avoiding the ancient cycle of us versus them, and the parochial struggles, and that his soul must be sweet as the prince of peace himself for doing it. he is so smug that way. the continuation Presidency of George Bush is done. time to move on
Of course he's going to glorify George W. After all, he's Chimpy Bush's third term.
Glad to see more folks woken up to the fact that Obama was never anything other than the Bankers' candidate.
If the process is;
1. Ignore him
2. Make fun of him (and supporters)
3. Fight him
4. RP wins
It would seem that step 1 got a lot of play.
Step 3 seems to be going full throttle now...what happened to step 2?
I only saw a few whimpers of step 2. At step 4 it would be entertaining to shovel all that stuff from step 2 backward.
Ok, it would be entertaining but it would'nt really be productive. Too much other really serious stuff going on. But it was fun to think about.
Obama out. Bernanke out. Geithner out. Thats a good start.
It's not the people...removing them will do nothing...it's the system and powers taken over unconstitutionally, illegally, rights abrogated...states must retake their power, congress must retake it's true powers and responsibility...we must fix the system or who we put in matters not.
I do believe RP's prescription begins to attack the system and believe in his intentions...I just don't believe he'll be allowed to walk in and begin reconstructing America's economy, tax system, credit/money creation. This takes a mighty strong mandate to attempt.
This!
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Do ya think Barry will ever do a presidential tour in one of those JFK open top convertables?
It wouldn't matter, because puppets are easily replaced.
I would really like to think so :)
hell no............
I "hope" not.
Biden would be ten times worse. Thank you Friend of Angelo...Jim Johnson, I guess ;-)
I don't think so. There would be no actual change in any policy matters, they are both dancing on strings. But think about how much more fun Biden would be. Every day would be a new adventure in slapstick comedy and general hilarity.
Well, there is that.
Silver linings, I like your optimism ;-)
Good thing tomorrow is Saturday and there's no election. Remember Nevada? a year before the election, the polls were stating that the teabagger candidate Sharron Angle would win. Dayim, if Harry Reid just didn't get himself elected.
Republicans can't say tax cuts create jobs in the US.
Of course tax cuts create jobs. Not only that but they create free sector jobs which produce desired goods and services. The government levies taxes because no one would willingly pay for the "services" it offers.
Government is the problem.
Harry Reid makes the case for term limts better than anything I can ever say.
I've about had it with this bit of Keynesian nonsense.
"Republicans can't say tax cuts create jobs in the US."
Reducing a cash flow operation...which is what O'Bama Social Security tax cuts does...does not create jobs. Why does he want to do it that way? Why not Federal Taxation instead of FICA?
Do you dispute that the government is broke and that the "trust fund" is in a cash flow position supplemented by debt issuance? The "savings" it claims are in the form of non-marketable intra-government bonds. There is no "savings". There can't be if the government is broke. (This was proven, by Geithner, in the last budget "crisis". Without more debt issuance everything defaults).
Thus, by O'Bama decreasing the cash flow into the "trust fund" he is driving toward a goal.
Now what could that possibly be?
Come people you have an interesting blog and a bunch of morons listening to their own madness, hatred, extremism. FBI better get rid of you all in FEMA camps, good riddance. You want to be constructive and change the system from the ground up, reclaim your liberties, punish the banksters, kick your president out, stop fiat money , throw the banksters and those who abused the system in jail (after real due process)this all fine. You want to abolish those recent freedom destroying laws fine, you want to do a greatclean up, fine and good. But I am wondering at this point if some of you are not paid FBI operatives to stir hatred and extremism so there is an excuse to arrest some of you. Remember what happened with the guns sold in Mexico, remember infiltrated cops that are in to discredit the rest.
Go fingerfuck your butthole, dipshit.
They no longer need excuses to arrest anyone.
maybe he likes prez0
and feels alone here today
and prob a bit crazy, too, judging from his rant...
Paid provocateurs? Never underestimate the stupidity and vulgarity of a certain segment of the Internet population. That's all it is.
You, Sir, are crazy, or maybe you just need a nice malt whiskey or 3.
Nutzo alright. Probably mad cuz he's low on 8balls.
So if I read this correctly, you propose combating freedom destroying laws and also having the FBI round up people and put them in FEMA camps?
i knew last summer when they raised the debt ceiling and got downgraded in the process that prez0 would run on a strong dollar and now we have data to show that inflation is under control and the US economy is among the strongest, globally
and don't forget stealth QE! L0L!!!
i still like nader; here's his latest: Congressional Tyranny, White House Surrender » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
Moody's just downgraded Belgium. Hopefully more to come...
Hopefully, they will wait until SD is back from his date.
Need those overactive arms.
it is all rabbit hole from here on out, all rabbit hole.
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check these links.
http://archive
.wbai.org/
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Guns and Butter
Friday December 16 9:00am
interview with michael hudson.
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Gary Null - The Natural Living Show
Friday December 16 12:03pm
interviews outline the boldface moron
complexion of the usa national narrative, ongoing.
pnac global empire lies exposed.
also check 12/15/2011 natural living program.
interviews with, including, j galbraith.
we're going, going, gone to hell in a hand basket explained.
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ps. sdr just another derivative level of hiding insolvency
and more derivative debt. decanting of the surfs from the masters
at the global zionist empire holiest of ho lies. it's the law as
hAS been handed down.
what a joke. but i love how the financial system will starve
itself by bankrupting, by stealing, the finances of the
farmers and workers who feed them out of the sacred love
of money, stealing and fraud. what a bunch of ignoramous and
useless idiots, ivy league and all, while the media encourages
infantility for advertizing dollars and mass manipulation. we are
a lost people with an unpleasant destiny, guaranteed; after all,
we must have infinite war to destroy the gifts of god.
i am finally going to get my glass thing together. you get what you pay for. a old fart like myself needs the glass to see the target so i can shoot it..........:)
nothing in the world compares to quality
optics except perhaps balance and judgement.
I balk at the prices nightforce etal.. OUCH...
the beauty and brilliance of consciousness, the universe
itself, is that it is and that it ends with the capacity
to begin again. nothing could be more glorious and perfect.
ouch . but is there any money in it? ahh, contemporary man's
predilection. no one knows .......!
whatever .....
have you checked out vortex? by the way i think the rule of thumb is that the glass should cost at least as much or a tad more than the gun itself.....
I don't know whats more scary, the idea that 43% of people approve of what Obama is doing, the 23% who unbelievably think this country is going in the right direction, or you knee-jerk pseudo-tribalists that respond to this sort of thing with the typical;
"OH YEAH?!?! WELL GEORGE BUSH SUCKED TOO! SO THERE!!!!"
like that solves, explains, or fixes anything.
I'm long roads... As in I want to live as far down a long road as I can.
So what recommendations can you make as to how to fix things?
bloody revolution..........
I prefer my revolution well done.
jefferson was right. i knew it all along........
The solution to our national problem has to begin at the municipal level of government. We will never build a cohesive voting base that will elevate the capable(fiscally, and constitutionally responsible) to higher office until we educate a majority of local voters who understand the problem in the first place. Every politician that runs for office promises to bring home the bacon, myself excluded. I knew my state(Illinois) is bankrupt and pledged to solve the problems that I could control without federal and state funding. You know, the neighbor that has the loud parties, disrespectful children, trashy yard, etc. My state representative and state senator have been all about bringing home that bacon, whether the local request is frivolous or not. These people usually run for higher office after successfully bringing home said bacon. What is wrong with that picture? I think you know, but never realized the error in your thinking. You need not look any further than your own congressman or senator's political history to figure that out.
Crok, simple. Request a 1040 when voting, and to hell with the 9th Circuit.
Fix things? What am I? Santa Claus's returns department?
As my father taught me when I was 4; "Sometimes if you mistreat things badly enough, they break, and stay that way."
The founders made it very clear, the freedom plan only works with an involved, informed citizenry. Well, that citizenry obviously is staring into a water trough, and doesn't want to drink.
The closest thing I can come to a suggestion to fixing things is electing Ron Paul, but the point of my initial post is that clearly the majority is so throughly domesticated into idiocracy that even if Paul somehow got elected, its still pushing agaisnt the tide.
Hence my roads comment. OR to quote the dolphins
"so long, and thanks for all the fish."
Things don't need fixed. People need to go hungry.
Pos rep for your handle!
what i am noticing now, is the complete breakdown in the lower social strata in so many ways. and this is south central texas. we have it good here compared to say detroit......but even here , one can see it if one is looking...........it is here already.
trust no man, trust no number produced by man.
all poll results are the products of the agency
that produces them. all voting results are the
product of the agency that counts them. we are
truly in the wilderness, it is beautiful.
I could go on and on about trust, layers of trust, and the need to define trust for oneself, standards of trust. . .
but I'll just say, your "trust no man, trust no number produced by man" is a great start, to which I would add "trust no system devised by man, particularly one based on the need to believe in that which is not apparent, or even real". . .
removing all trust in the systems proffered, all trust, leaves your integrity intact, allows for strength in person and mind - until people begin with that, the systems will continue to exist simply because they are believed in.
Those 43% don't necessarily like Obama, but they're scared shitless of the Republicans, and can't say that I blame them.
Fuck it all.
THE SOONER THE BETTER.
DAMN I MISS W :)
Fool.
The Diebolt voting machine could give a rat's ass who the American people want for their president. That outcome has been decided already, and you can guarantee the stealing will continue unabated.
i agree. i believe you are correct....
they banned the machines in california, but the simple solution is to get an absentee ballot. automatic paper trail. and if everyone voted absentee we might take a few months before SCOTUS tells us who their President is.
by the way they found a way to hack the diebold machine with about $50 worth of circuitry from radio shack, completely non invasive.
Let's just say that Diebold's lack of engineering skill makes them the first choice for corrupt electoral officials everywhere.
Completely electronic voting with signatures and encryption to guarantee both the integrity and the level of anonymity we require is doable today by college kids...it's the will to use it (a.k.a fear of fair elections) that is missing.
i can smell this coming a mile off. class warefare and age warfare. anything to take the short attention span of silly amerikans off of the real problem.
gold and silver both made strong moves to the hoop today i think that close over 1600 says a lot ............back up the truck...........
Seems the gold bears have slipped back into hibernation for the time being.
that run up into the 1800's was fun to watch, but i knew the repercussions would be bad......and so they have been. but as yamada has said, we are overdue for some back filling and strengthening and preperation for the next big move ........maybe over 2000 next time, before the correction. who knows....
I picked up more physical at the 1560 level myself, and I had planned to buy periodically all the way to the bottom. But it looks like that 1560 level may be the floor.
just curious. what was the drive out price at 1560?
there was a time when krugs were going for a dollar a piece......fees....
america voted last time to prove they were not racist. now they have prove they are no longer idiots. go ron paul
are you absolutely sure you want ron paul. let me be blunt. if we get a guy like ron paul, you will get a guy who will never sugar coat anything. it is against his nature. therefore a vote for ron paul will cause massive and i do mean massive losses in the markets and a world wide deflationary collapse ........yep , i promise you the banks , like they did with hoover, will cause a major finanical collapse.......and then blame it on ron paul.........but , it has to happen one way or the other. i just hope people realize, they are not just voting for a nice man, a honest man. no they are voting for a sudden and violent financial collapse and if we can handle that , then fine, but it doesn't really matter does it? it will happen with whoever is in office. ? will the lazy amerikans understand all of this and reason it all out? not yet ......but nevertheless is is hip to say i want ron paul. it is stylish. i really don't think most of the leftist and anarchist and many of the people who fall in line with the ron paul bandwagon have any idea what it means by libertarian politics......:)
well when you have nothing or very little what do you have to lose.......its those who need the status quo who will lose......bring on whatever it is going to be and then we can start to recover and reset
there are many many things that are covered in the words you speak. most amerikans will not like it nor want it and will do anything and everything they can to avoid it.
i was at the dollar store today to get some stuff and the clerk was complaining about shoplifting. i said you wait as time goes by, it will only get worse. i am not sure how many stores will be able to stay in business. i told her, can you just imagine . every smore store and every supermarket will have loss prevention specialist watching monitors in the back and chasing fat mexicans out in the parking lot , because they stole something without paying for it? man the shit is going to get real bad soon...........and that is just the start. to wit, the amount of poor people in this country now and we are still at about supposedly about 90 percent employment. God help us.......
HPD, it's true that Ron Paul's way, if implemented, will mean almost immediate pain. But at least, to some extent, the pain will be controlled. The thing is, the pain is inevitable, no matter who is elected next. A serious global cataclysm is already guaranteed. Bank on that. But, if it doesn't happen before the next election, and RP is elected, he'll take the blame. That's what sucks. We're going through the collapse no matter what. The bond markets will see to that sooner than later. But with RP at least we control the timing, and perhaps mitigate the destruction. Otherwise, the market determines the timing and in the meantime, the fools in charge will continue to multiply the damage.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't, but if I go down, I'd at least like to go down swinging.
Ron Paul 2012
i think ron paul is such a viable candidate mainly because the other candidates suck so badly...........and besides the left , right paradigm is beginning to wear thin, not to mention now, the blogs , and alternative news sources on the web.....all of these things help a guy like ron paul. he is correct. he has been the same for 30 years. but to play the devil's advocate here what has he done for the last 30 years? can anyone name one bill he has authored and gotten passed during all of that time , about anything remotely resembling his libertarian belief systems?
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=680
and let us not forget. libertarianism was started by one world order , european jews as discussed by kapner in the above link...........now having said that, one must always understand, that as lenin said one time. in order to control a argument, you must be on both sides of the argument. a long and never ending jewish method to control the idiots..........perhaps ron paul has many jews in his organization. if he does, and i am sure that he does, i promise you, his entire program is already and completely infiltrated and i assure you, this does not help you or i or any thinking american , one damn bit.........
his son, is already bought and paid for by the jewish lobby.......ron paul has stated that if he loses this race any and all monies he has acccumulated will immediately go to the reelection campaign of his son, a traitor to these american states........
uh...why do people think the 50s were the way they were...that whites just hate people with tans?
No, they didn't want thefts and crime.
African cabbies who are fresh off the boat figure this out quickly in places like NYC or DC. They can eliminate nearly ALL of their risk of getting murdered by effectively putting "whites and asians only" on their cabs.
So the answer is you tell them "you're not wanted here, go shop elsewhere." It sucks that the half of black men who aren't on probation, parole, or in prison have to suffer for the actions of the other half, but perhaps they should point the finger of blame at those who are responsible instead of those who are just trying to make their way through life without trouble.
These silly fantasies we have about equality are tenable only in times of plenty. Abundance is when you can indulge wasteful things like this. When scarcity comes, you don't let your brat kid not finish his plate. Things which you could afford in times of plenty get squelched right quickly. Tolerating the intransigence and antisociality of colored minorities is one of the things that will most quickly go by the wayside.
but but but, we were told that integration to achieve racial diversity was a good thing. but throwing races together never works and it has not worked this time either. the excuse was, well we shall put all of the black students with the white students and therefore this will help the black students to be better achievers. but the exact opposite thing took place. what happened was that the white students suffered and their scholastic performances suffered greatedly because of this madness. and whose idea was all of this? well it sure wasn't people with last names like smith and jones...... seperation was always a better thing for so many reasons.......all of this garbage started not long after i got out of high school in 1969........now my high school is totally ghetto and is insafe to be around even in the day time......right in my own damn neighborhood in houston where i grew up and i lived most of my life.........and all of this..........because diversity makes us stronger..........bullshit it does.......
You're both completely wrong. Want to know why your former high school is ghetto now? Destruction of the social fabric by the 1%. Communities and responsibility have been destroyed by economic warfare and you are staring at the remains. Not to mention the gutting of the public school system by the government. Nothing to do with the race of the people in attendance, how ignorant of you both...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqt4bl9tVNk