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CME Hikes Gold Margins By 22% And Gold Drops by....0.4%, Resumes Climb

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Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:18 | 1549217 Flakmeister
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It is time to to put trailing stops on CEF and the like...take some gains but don't be greedy...As for physical in the hand, since when is that for trading???

All calmly typed, might I add, while stroking a tube of kruggers....

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:22 | 1549228 GetZeeGold
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IGNORES bitchez.


Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:24 | 1549236 Flakmeister
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You clearly are an ignorant fool....now run back to Yahoo or whatever hole you crawled out of.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:26 | 1549239 bankrupt JPM bu...
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Shorts are going to get absolutly tuned tomorow on this hike.  They are in a world of hurt.  Maybe there is some method to this JPM $2500?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:29 | 1549251 Flakmeister
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Hence the trailing stops....

No, $2500 may be for real, but there is a host of new longs, weak hands that need to be flushed out of Au... GSR seems to have serious resistance at 45, I look for it to return to 35 by year end...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:44 | 1549319 Thomas
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Like so many interventions, this tactic is losing its oomph. Traders have learned that they can ignore these clowns if they are wiling to weather turbulence for a couple of days.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:48 | 1549337 Flakmeister
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It all depends on who has fresh cash and how their other positions are levered....Look, I've seen stuff like this before, Ag not so long ago. Au has gone parabolic, tread lightly with your tradable assets, as for the real stuff, sit back and watch the show, accumalate on their knock down, my gut tells me that Au will retest (and pass with flying colors) $1700

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:16 | 1549436 Thomas
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As lies go, that one is a big one.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 07:52 | 1550159 spiral_eyes
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margin hikes no longer effective, inverse waterfall in sight.


Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:23 | 1549462 trav7777
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have you not been paying attention to the rest of the market?  shit is absolutely cratering.

You trade with a trailing stop in this volatility, you'll be stopped out.  Better to spend the money on a downside put for insurance.

The CHF has gone even more apeshit than gold

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:29 | 1549488 Flakmeister
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CEF doesn't have options.... Watch the action in the producing Juniors... years of hard research is starting to pay off. Energy MLPs have weathered this very well.

All my liquid position are options, but I keep converting the profits into physical

Speaking of apeshit, see the latest WTI-Brent spread?? Hit $24 today... something is seriously amiss.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:34 | 1549508 DosZap
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WTI-Brent Spread, yes, odd, very odd.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 00:31 | 1549851 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The SPR release provided a location for JPM shorts.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 00:38 | 1549867 Flakmeister
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That is definately part of it.... to what end, I have no idea... Prices at the pump are tracking Brent.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 06:39 | 1550056 malikai
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That Brent/WTI spread is fucking unbelieveable. Right now I'm printing a ratio of 1.28! I'm seriously tempted to jump in on the compression trade, but there's no liquid options for Brent over here, so I'm holding back, for now.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 07:55 | 1550165 spiral_eyes
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I have no idea what is causing this ratio, but I see no good reason that whatever is causing it will give you an arbitrage opportunity in the immediate to short term.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:02 | 1550631 malikai
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I encourage you to have a look at the spread/ratio volatility since February, when the serious drift began. Daily close is sufficient to see what I'm talking about.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:09 | 1549416 T1000
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People don't realize this is a total transition from paper to metal; it's like the economy is a transformer. This isnt a bubble, it's the new reality.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:17 | 1549440 redpill
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Correct. Issuing "margin hikes" on the now-defacto world reserve currency is not like issuing it on a commodity.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:17 | 1549441 Flakmeister
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Yes, I agree to a point...

Very little stuff that I trade is real gold... I have been slowly turning paper profits into physical for 5 years now....

What you describe is a transition not an event....If Sept 2008 was the first inning, we are now in the top of the sixth.

Like I said, I ain;t shorting, just putting on trailing stops.... pigs always get slaughtered.  

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:24 | 1549464 UGrev
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Au-bots, roll out.. 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 22:27 | 1549627 Temporalist
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Decpticons still fits for their archenemy.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 22:00 | 1549579 mayhem_korner
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I'd supplement by stating that it's a transition from paper to real.  Physical stores of many things are gaining in value, albeit in a less visible way than PMs. The purchasing power transfer to PMs will lend to a second phase, in which scarcity premiums for staples will skyrocket as the dislocation from the currency transition sets in.  Purchasing power wins the day post the Big Reset.

I'm not a trader, and leave it to others to collect those arbitrage gains.  As an 'accumulater', however, I am very comfortable with the stockpile of physical things within a sand wedge of where I'm currently sitting. 

New reality is right.  The return of real currency is not the bubble...what it's replacing is.


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 00:06 | 1549814 T1000
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Yes, it's a transition from paper to real. What we're seeing now is the decoupling from the old reality to the new reality.

TPTB are sending a clear signal to people that the new value is gold. Value only exists within the human mind. They're training the human animal to devalue paper and to value gold. Like in animal farm, Two legs good, four legs bad.

Gold good, paper bad.

"Au-bots, roll out!" love it.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 04:08 | 1550002 theprofromdover
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The world of stops & shorts & hedges is the old world; intrinsically worthless, only leads to extinction.


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 08:26 | 1550235 SME MOFO
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Sure the premiums for staples are through the roof, but did you notice that paper clips aren't available at any price?  God knows what kind of paperwork is coming down the line from the secret government!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 22:11 | 1549598 Troll Magnet
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Watching the price action in gold for the past couple of weeks has been really funny.  While Obama and his BFF Boehner were putting on a show to distract Americans in order to pick their pockets, the world has decided to step in and fuck them over by driving up the price of gold.  Justice is being served!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:17 | 1549438 thatthingcanfly
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A week ago I might have agreed with you. But today's action shows a complete decoupling of the HUI from the broad equities markets. (And about bloody time, too!) I'm thinking there's not going to be much more weak-hand-flushing going on any time soon in the gold market.

Yeah, I said it: "This time it's different."

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:19 | 1549451 Flakmeister
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Like my posts have said, don't be greedy, be ready to take profits on tradeable assets...

It is different, but not quite yet....

By the way, it is about bloody fucking time that the miners started to move...

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 22:43 | 1549667 Spitzer
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I dunno man...they could go absolutly apeshit too.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 22:49 | 1549678 LongBalls
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All the same be careful. These crooks will stop at nothing. Don't over leverage. What the CME is doing is attempting to put on a show for the average guy who has started to look into golds direction due to headlines but does not fully understand it's drivers yet. Gold has gone CRAZY (Real money does in this enviorment). JPM and Goldman raised the outlook for gold for this very purpose I believe. They wanted to cram GLD full of sheeple and smack them across the face to teach the sheeple a lesson for even looking at gold. Only 1-1.5% of the American people really understand golds role. Lets just hope enough of the "newbies" don't give a crap and are hedging disaster as they should!


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 00:10 | 1549821 Flakmeister
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What do you think Paulson is going to do with his GLD shares?

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 02:15 | 1549948 Spitzer
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Looks to me like he will save his funds by buying gold, not selling it.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:23 | 1549233 Bastiat
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Polishing an '84 Morgan on my pantleg . .

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:26 | 1549240 Flakmeister
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Nice, I don't have much old stuff...  1882 Newfoundland $2 gold piece is the only comparable (1/10 oz)... Got a mittful of Peace Dollars though (paid $12 a piece for them).... 

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:47 | 1549544 Bastiat
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Yeah I just got a few these and I've got to say I love the historical vibe:  "One Dollar."

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 03:25 | 1549983 Temporalist
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I got my first one a few months ago.  `83.  I love it too it's my only one but it reminds me there was a time before the Fed, for one thing.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 22:13 | 1549600 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Polishing an '84 Morgan on my pantleg . .

I've been carrying a '90 Morgan in my pocket for the last five years. Whenever a cashier at the supermarket or hardware store does the rudimentary authenticity test on a 50- or 100-dollar bill, I tell them, "it's all fake." I then show them the Morgan and tell them that it's probably the first real money they've seen all day.

BTW, if you just carry that Morgan in your pocket for a few weeks, it'll polish itself and develop a gleaming shine.


Wed, 08/10/2011 - 23:45 | 1549784 Dave Thomas
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I used to carry a Mexican Liberdad in my wallet. But every so often when I'd flip it open, the Molly Ringwaldesque bubblegum popping cashier would roll her eyes at me "like he really needs that big a condom!".

So now I carry a 1/10oz eagle doing a better job at impression management.

When silver is 100 bucks an ounce maybe I'll switch back to the Liberdad.


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 03:03 | 1549975 zhandax
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I have been carrying a $100,000,000,000,000 Zim note in my wallet for the last few years for shock value.  Tonight I gave it to our local version of Robo who sorely needed a lesson in real value and told him to take it home and Google it.  Now if I can just remember where I stashed the other 19 when I bought them on eBay and they would still buy a cab ride in Harare.....

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:39 | 1549293 Spastica Rex
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You call it "a tube  of kruggers?" Never heard that one.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 20:45 | 1549328 Flakmeister
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Now, now, take your mind out of the gutter.....

My handle ain't Gold Dick, ~1.25 lbs of swinging meat would make the ladies run away screaming....

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 22:47 | 1549673 KowPie
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"My handle ain't Gold Dick, ~1.25 lbs or swinging meat would make the ladies run away screaming..."

Hmmmm.... 1.25 lbs x 16 x 28 =560 grams.... 526 grams of gold (roughly) 2.75"long by 1.5" circumference.... I think they would be laughing more so than screaming. Unless of course they knew it was solid gold, and they thought that it was just the "root" of the stash, then they would see 12" and a Bugatti Veyron in their future.

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 22:51 | 1549682 Flakmeister
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You are mixing metaphors.....

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 22:58 | 1549700 KowPie
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Along with drinks!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:22 | 1549457 yabyum
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Ten Hail Mary's and ten Our Fathers, and the stroking will be forgiven. PS Strong work!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:22 | 1549458 Hugh G Rection
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Diminishing MARGINal Returns.


Blastoff Bitchezzzz!

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:26 | 1549474 WhatCouldGoWrong
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Tyler,... OK, this margin increase has been telegraphed for some time and I think this is just the beginning. What jumped out in your post was the 443% increase in margin rates on the Swiss Franc. I found that absolutely unbelievable (but, hey, we live in unbelievable times). I checked the CME/CBOT site and found no reference to that kind of hike. The CME release you posted with the short article lists SF futures going from 3780 intial to 5400 intial (with corresponding mnt. margin hike for specs.). This is a 43% hike not a 443% hike....

a fat-finger mistake?

Wed, 08/10/2011 - 21:34 | 1549509 disabledvet
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I'm trying to think what the Swiss make that the US is utterly dependent on. Hmmmm. still thinking. still thinking. still thinking. tennis stars! there! i came up with one!

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