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CME Lowers Initial ES And Other Key Equity-Related Margins By 12%

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It doesn't get much more obvious than this. The S&P at multi year highs, and what does the CME do? Why it lowers initial (as in please come in and open new positions) spec margin for not only the E-Mini, but virtually every other major market "reflexive" product in existence including S&P, Dow Jones, Nasdaq, and subsector futures currently traded, by 12%. As a reminder, the last time that "other" asset class rose to multi-year highs, that would be gold, it hiked margin nearly every single day, with a culmination of two margins hikes in one day on May 4. Naturally, the margin hiker-in-chief is not as worried about stocks attaining the same bubble status since if anything it will merely cement reelection chances. That said, should WTI ever dare to go up above $100 watch as the CME proceeds to decimate anyone who dares to be long WTI futures on margin.

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Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:18 | 2816290 MiguelitoRaton
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mmm I'm feeling animal spirits bitchez....not!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:20 | 2816297 AlaricBalth
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"Welcome to my parlor", said the spider to the fly.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:24 | 2816312 LULZBank
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Knock yourself out on S&P Bitchezz!!!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:03 | 2816392 NotApplicable
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Bring out your deeeeeaaaaaad!!!! *BONG*

Bring out your deeeeeaaaaaad!!!! *BONG*

Bring out your deeeeeaaaaaad!!!! *BONG*

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:37 | 2816446 strannick
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Anyone submitting themselves to having COMEX Lucy pull the football away with increased margins again, deserves to be Charlie Browned on their back. Today COMEX asks traders to please stretch their chicken necks onto the COMEX chopping block. Jeff Christian announced gold to fall to $1550 when there would be no QE3. He is the banks puppet. A ventriliquest smiling wooden marionette with their hand moving his mouth, who still sometimes accidently says the wrong thing, ie. LBMA gold is leveraged 100 times. Dont play their COMEX paper games. Get Physical

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:50 | 2816470 jballz
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Jesus you guys really need to put this comspiracy theory bullshit about margins to bed. Margins go up and down with volatility. There is no mystery to it.

The S&P being "at record highs" doesn't mean dick, nor should it. The VIX is at multi-year lows. Thus margin can drop. 

You do realizeyou can short ES with the same margin required to buy it, yes? 

Give it up already. It's fucking math.



Thu, 09/20/2012 - 19:03 | 2816497 akak
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Then perhaps you can explain why margins were raised multiple times (and to an unprecedented degree) for both gold and silver, and ONLY for gold and silver, while prices AND volatility for both were falling last year?  And perhaps you can also explain why similar or even higher levels of volatility in other commodities have rarely if ever demanded such a manic degree of margin raising?

When cotton and sugar were radically spiking in price last year, or rice back in 2008, or wheat and corn this summer, I failed to see similar multiple margin hikes, some only one day apart from each other, in ANY of those commodities.

You are a blind fool.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 22:54 | 2816837 Muppet of the U...
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Do you have any records of the number of times margins were hiked on gold and also silver, versus the number of times they were hiked versus cotton, and the amounts of the margin increases?  I assume I can call CME and ask, but maybe you have info.


You also need to remember, that this is an experiment they are believing will end dissatrously, but if they can somehow keep the ship afloat, holy shit, they will be miracle workers.  B/c to risk a collapse is to risk awakening the muppetry.


So keeping the dollar intact is important, and gold would literally destroy the dollar.  It was more or less, a matter of global financial stability that gold be suppressed.  Although, if your claims are true then I am astonished.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 03:45 | 2817079 jballz
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No I won't waste the time to cross reference for you as you're premise proves you are brain dead. If you want to take the time to learn something I encourage you to make use of that link on your own time.


Then perhaps you can explain why margins were raised multiple times (and to an unprecedented degree) for both gold and silver, and ONLY for gold and silver, while prices AND volatility for both were falling last year? 


Easily, your wrong. There has been nothing 'unprecedented' about it, nor were gold and silver the ONLY margin hikes (and cuts), and margins don't go up on falling volatility. Whether prices are going up or down is totally irrelevant to setting margins. It is ONLY a function of volatility. The poster obviously doesn't understand this as the rookie observation of stocks being "at their highs" must imply higher margins. It does not, until compounding gains sufficiently increase the value of the underlying contract.

Or to make it easier for you. Margins. increase. for. short. sellers. too. you. dumb. fuck.

100oz of gold at $400 is $40,000

100oz of gold at $1900 is $190,000

think about it, if you can.



Thu, 09/20/2012 - 22:32 | 2816788 dexter bland
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They also tend to raise margins near the bottom of the market - "heightened risk" and all. Its a way of getting the wood ducks to buy near the top and squeeze them out again near the bottom.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 03:11 | 2817068 dwayne elizando
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Nice try dipshit. What will be the excuse when they make it sell orders only?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:19 | 2816296 MiguelitoRaton
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How long before there is a negative margin on the S&P?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:51 | 2816364 Global Hunter
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that comes AFTER the pension fund appropriations

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:57 | 2816376 Daily Bail
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MUST SEE: 'Mind If I Violate Your 4th Amendment...'

How many fucking checkpoints in one morning...

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:23 | 2816432 Jstanley011
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Yeah, I-8 runs right next to the Mexican border, duh.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:19 | 2816298 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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There is a turd in the pool but the lifeguard says keep swimming.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:21 | 2816303 slaughterer
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WTI LONG Forever.  Fuk CME and Obummer.  

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:22 | 2816307 Mark Carney
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Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:21 | 2816428 tenpanhandle
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Not to worry,  the sharks will eat the turd.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 19:22 | 2816519 High_Pockets
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"Spalding, nooooo!"

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:24 | 2816310 Top_Kill
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If only they could lower margins on jobs...

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:25 | 2816311 Schmuck Raker
Thu, 09/20/2012 - 19:00 | 2816492 Manipuflation
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+1  I was thinking along the same lines but had this famous tune in mind.  Also especially good when played as background music simultaneously with one of those other slow motion Nanex HFT vids on you tube.


Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:25 | 2816313 richard in norway
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flash crash being planned

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:31 | 2816330 surf0766
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they are trying to push it to 15K before the election. This is their last chance. 100 years of progressive planning on the line.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:42 | 2816356 Rainman
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hooray......financial repression to infinity...Obama for Dictator !

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:47 | 2816359 spankthebernank
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They'll be happy with 14000 and they will get it if this volume malaise continues....after November, all hell breaks loose.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:26 | 2816317 lolmao500
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It should always be 100% margin. Don't have the money? Fuck ya!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:26 | 2816433 razorthin
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xactly.  the credit-growth myth.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:27 | 2816320 grid-b-gone
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Buying buyers (bagholders) on margin.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:27 | 2816321 caimen garou
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No matter what you do bend us all over bernake, it wont work!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:29 | 2816323 fuu
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Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:33 | 2816337 Piranhanoia
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the Dukes know something,  let's get in on it.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:33 | 2816338 Seorse Gorog fr...
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Guns n gold! This dude sounds like some of us...




Lesson: don't just hoard.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:30 | 2816440 tenpanhandle
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ooooh. oooooooh, a conspiricy theorist, a hermit, a nutcase. ooooooh.  And while we are denigrating his memory, we might as well denigrate his coins and turn their uncirclulated condition into circulated.  Fucking idiots.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 19:44 | 2816553 seek
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There are some other stories about this. A couple things -- he kept a ledger and receipts, so they know the basis. The really weird thing is the IRS is claiming taxes are $750K, which does not compute at all. They found a single relative, a first cousin, who gets the balance after taxes.

With just a little planning -- a couple letters, each holding the decoding instructions for the other, left with attourneys -- his stash could have been secure and passed on beneficiaries without so much notoriety. Plan ahead, people!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:34 | 2816340 Sutton
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CHICAGO mercantile exchange

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:35 | 2816344 AL_SWEARENGEN


Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:35 | 2816345 Gringo Viejo
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Like the poker player with the biggest bankroll that consistently gos all-in, eventually the hand will be called.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:29 | 2816434 Bunga Bunga
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Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:38 | 2816351 slaughterer
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Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:42 | 2816435 Bunga Bunga
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But only the NK603 roundup-resistant one. They can take your guns but not the corn.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 21:10 | 2816665 Colonel Klink
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So you mean the one that causes cancer?!?!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:41 | 2816355 Meesohaawnee
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heck why stop with the manipulation now.??

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:56 | 2816373 gunsmoke011
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So obvious - who the heel do they really think they are kidding? The sad truth is - it will probably work. Stock Market making new ATH - with Real Unemployment at 16%, Negative Earnings for the S&P and 16 Trillion deficit. Obama will look in the camera and say he inherited the worst economic depression in history - and because of his leadership - the stock market has fully recovered and we are on our way to a 1000 year new world. AND PEOPLE WILL BUY IT!! Things are so fucked up right now that the only way things are going to change is through the end of a gun barrel - not an electronic ballot that will probably get manipulated anyway.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 17:56 | 2816375 tmosley
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Fuck, there are still people in the markets?

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:03 | 2816390 Dr. Engali
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It's too bad Corzine didn't run the CME.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:08 | 2816409 surf0766
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Where is Johnny? Not at the convention. Not in public. What could he be hiding from?  Where is the Veep telling us they still call on Johnnie?


Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:06 | 2816399 Meesohaawnee
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zerohedge is the greatest. i didnt check cause i just cant stomach yahoo finance and bubblevision but i doubt they are reporting it.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 18:07 | 2816403 buzzsaw99
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stocks can't go down until bag holders are found

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