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In A CNN Interview, Ron Paul Discusses The Media's Blackout Of His Presidential Candidacy, And Many Other Things

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Yesterday ago presented the mass media' self disclosure that it was ignoring Ron Paul for this reason or that. Today, Paul, whose support base has suddenly become the target of some aggressive lateral grab tactics by fellow GOP presidential candidates, was interviewed by CNN's Piers Morgan, in an Q&A seeking, among others, to find why it is that Paul, who to everyone's great dismay (not ours) may actually be the GOP's top candidate for the presidential position, is being slighted in his own view. Paul's take: "they're afraid of me, they don't want my views out there, they're too dangerous, we want freedom and we're challenging the status quo, we want to end the war, we want a gold standard, and their view is that people just can't handle all this freedom, they want dependency, they want socialism and welfarism, so I think they don't like to hear our views, but I think we'll make the best of it and we'll do very well." Paul proceeds to cover his relationship with Bachmann (disagrees with her views, as she is "not as far from the status quo as he would like her to be"), why Paul's anti-war program is a challenge not just to GOPers but to Obama as well, with his numerous war fronts, how Paul at 75 is finally resonating with the majority of the US population,  but most important is Piers Morgan's question on how Paul plans on becoming one of the fold and "making himself more electable", confirming precisely the bias that the idiot media holds against what can easily be the most honorable candidate in not just the GOP's but all party ranks. Paul's response: "why should someone soften their viewpoint on defending the rule of law and defending the constitution: that would be foolish. Extremists have been in charge for the last 4 years since they've been allowed to print money at will, so that's why we have overextended ouselves overseas, that's why we have inflation, depressions, inflations."...etc. When the mainstream media, and when Rick Perry, understands what Paul is talking about, that i when America will be worthy of a good president. Until then, it will have to make do with whoever win the popularity context in any given day, regardless of the amount of lies uttered in process. After all, as Morgan makes it all too clear, it is all just about "being electable" ... the same reason America is currently on the verge of the end.


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Mon, 08/15/2011 - 23:56 | 1564071 km4
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Base has left Obama is reasonable accurate

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 23:58 | 1564078 Hugh G Rection
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Only thing that can stop Paul now is an internet kill switch.  Sorry cartel, people are wise to the MSM.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:05 | 1564098 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I like where you're going, but I think that if they push on the string anymore, then the holding collapses.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:49 | 1564183's picture

At the 1:40 mark the following words appear on the screen and remain for about 30 seconds:


What he actually said is that the media doesn't think people can handle freedom.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:15 | 1564382 eisley79
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"Only thing that can stop Paul now is an internet kill switch.  Sorry cartel, people are wise to the MSM."


uh......there's a lot more against him than that.  Hopefully if he does manage to break out and into the MSM and some how beats back all the powers that would do everything they could to stop him, gets the nomination, he will be smart enough to walk around in a full Kevlar Body suit, cause you better believe some "lone nut" patsy will be taking the fall for taking him out....




Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:45 | 1564419 AnAnonymous
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This is the only thing?

Made me laugh. One has to be a personality cultist not to see through Paul's poor propaganda.

US citizens do not want wars? Since when? Draft is no longer there to hide the naked thruth. Look out, Sarge.

US citizens now join the military on their free will. Claiming that they dont know what they want when they do that destroys the idea they can do something with their independence.

US citizens want the good opportunities associated with the US military. They want them and apply to them without anyone forcing them to (no more draft, peeps, no more draft)

Paul propaganda is among the cheapest propaganda and in this US driven world, it means something.

Paultards will keep doing they do: worshipping their human god and drinking his words as they were truth.

Cant stop non Paultards to assess Paul's propaganda for what it is.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 06:54 | 1564582 Confused
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"US citizens do not want wars? Since when? Draft is no longer there to hide the naked thruth."


I'm guessing you aren't American. No, the majority of Americans don't want war. They didn't want WW1 or WW2, Vietnam, etc.

And perhaps you should take a look at the demographic of people who join the military of their own free will. Either they have no other options, or they have bought into the empire fully. 


Might I remind you that there are European countries that no longer require mandatory service. 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:30 | 1564638 EvlTheCat
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If I may make a suggestion, do not waste your time trying to argue with this mental midget. It just wants to blame America for all the worlds problems from time immemorial. As it is obvious from its standpoint the rest of the world is incapable of thinking and acting on its own behalf. Conceding to a point or compromising is not in its nature.
So don't bother admitting that America does have its fair share of failures as it will only throw it back in your face.

Its agenda is quite clear. No matter how many credible examples you give it, it will just regurgitate some ignorant anti-American dogma it was intravenously fed from birth. Have a great day Confused.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:58 | 1564703 AnAnonymous
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Good laughter.


It is a fight club and US citizens are used to predating on the weak. Put back into this context, it would mean that a mental midget is stronger enough to scare enough US citizens into avoiding her.  Tells a lot about US citizens, their propaganda and the strength of their political philosophy.

Blaming US citizens and the US from all the world's problems from time immemorial? Projection is a nasty thing for US citizens. US citizens are pretty used to shifting the blame on other irrelevant people. They are able to sell that crisis as Zimbabwe made or tell that the issues of overconsumption come from people who are out of the consumption process,who dont consume.


Obviously, non my case. This is a US world order and the US is absolutely non involved in any order preceding the birth of the US (1776)

Credible examples? No, cheap propaganda.

There can be US citizens (on the ID papers) who have not realized what their environment is. And they do not support war.

Now, for them, a little experiment to test their own thesis, that US citizens do not want war.

Just adopt openly an anti-war figure. Exhibit publically the anti war stance. Nothing aggressive, no active broadcast, only passive diffusion like slogans on cars, caps, shirts etc... Relentlessly though for it to be understood as the expression of a creed.

Now, check how the US environment changes, how it grows slowly hostile, how the name calling, the tauntings the antogonizing are going to happen.

Of course, most US citizens known that, their anti war stance is only the result of their duplicity. 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:37 | 1564981 fuu
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Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:22 | 1565106 EvlTheCat
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yawn... I have argued with you ad nauseum. I will not be baited into your troll world anymore.

I do find it funny that you would go out of your way to attack Ron Paul considering his proclamation of removing
the U.S. military from all foreign wars. He is earnest in his pledge even though it will probably never happen.

So what do you do, vilify him as some dishonest puppet even though he has been preaching the same thing for the last 13 years. I don't worship the man but I am at least willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

You are laughable, because even if there is a glimmer of hope the U.S. might do what you want, you shit down your trousers because you might not have a reason to hate America and Americans anymore.

Simple question. If you are tired of us why don't you and what ever country you reside in get off your lazy asses and do something about the U.S. then? We haven't gone anywhere for the last 200+ years? It is obvious we can't fix our own problems. We need your guidance and tough love.

What are you waiting for?

Or is it more appropriate to say, you would rather sit back and watch as the U.S. eats itself? All while sitting safely behind your computer terminal vomiting rhetoric. Continuing to blame others for your inability and indecision towards ending the tyrannical rule of the U.S. over the world.

If you haven't figured it out yet let me clue you in. Anonymous individuals can't change world events.
Anonymous individuals are not leaders. Anonymous individuals sit in the dark and stab at passer byers in hopes that they may inflect wounds which won't heal.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:58 | 1565240 AnAnonymous
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It is stupid.

Paul as a president would deliver information and a lot of it. Why would I oppose that? I did not support Obama to become a US president (I'd have prefered McCain)

But Obama presidency yielded its share of information: the US cannot change but at great costs US citizens are not willing to endure. Change can only come if others endure the costs of the change. And the world is running out of Indians.

I'd welcome Paul presidency the same. Because this guy will hit the same limitations as Obama.

Simply by infering from US citizens nature, one can make a list of changes that Paul would bring and not bring.

Paul would not end the US war propension. He might even declare his own wars. If he stops one specific war, it will be because it has come to its end.

Paul would enact other parts of his plan though, concerning the usual suspects for example.


Paul's presidency would (again) validate the eternal US citizens nature.

US citizens do not consider their 'problems' as problems. The major problem US citizens have for the moment is to find a way to maintain the status quo, to keep going on the course they have been.

That is where their demand lies. They want to maintain the US world order, further it, strengthen it, consolidate it.

As to the US eating itself, feel relieved, the US will eat and consume the rest of the world because the destruction come to the US shores.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 13:49 | 1565524 EvlTheCat
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Simple question. If you are tired of us why don't you and what ever country you reside in get off your lazy asses and do something about the gluttonous U.S. citizenry? We haven't gone anywhere for the last 200+ years?  We're to fat, dumb and lethargic to fight back. It is obvious we can't fix our own problems. We need your guidance and tough love.

What are you waiting for?

This is what I am hearing from your silence troll.  Let other countries start the fight with the U.S..  Why should our citizens die fighting tyranny?  Because being reactive is always a more successful approach then being proactive.  Status quo!

If you are not willing to put your life on the line to save your countrymen, family and friends from the American locust then you deserve to eat the dirt we create.  How are we suppose to have respect for the world when they view themselves as being too weak to make the first strike towards global freedom from oppression.  Your words AnAnonymous are like a monkey flinging shit at passing zoo patrons.


In America we have a saying; Put up or shut up!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 14:43 | 1566332 AnAnonymous
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It seems that I already answered to that point.

It is part of the US citizen nature: the bully behaviour. Bullies are never responsible for their aggression. It is always the others'fault. And the fault is: they are weak. That is why the bully aggresses them, they are weak and their weakness is a provocation to bullies.

As a sidenote, it also shows the lack of self limitation typical to US citizens. As they have boundary issues, they always try to repell any constrainst they face (nihilism)

It appears now that they can not remove the physical impossibility to expand more. So well, that is going to be funny.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:48 | 1566708 EvlTheCat
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Ahh, I see the Fidel Castro tactic of boring your debate opponent beyond tears in hopes that he forgot the original question posed.  When you finally grow a pair, and decide to give the correct answer to the question, I am sure the U.S. will have destroyed a few more countries in its wake.

Whoo, glad I don't have that on my conscience since I am part of the problem, and not the eventual solution.   Sleep tight! Don't let our Manifest Destiny bite!

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Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:10 | 1564727 AnAnonymous
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Another point.

Okay, okay, it is typical to US citizen bully mind but still: of course the rest of the world is capable of thinking and acting on its behalf. But it does not nullify the US power to crush any of their actions that thwart the US world order.

It is bully mind because usually bullies can not stand responsible for their aggression. If bullies aggress them, it is not bully's fault, it is because the aggressed are too weak, forcing the bullies to aggress. 

US world order.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:44 | 1564678 AnAnonymous
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No discussion possible because it is only framing and kicking the can.

Either(the involved) US citizens have no other options or they have bought into the empire fully. So what? Does this negate the fact they want wars to provide them with opportunities. So I answer to that, a new layer will be added etc

The root of the issue will not change though: US citizens want wars.

Non sequitur etc.The usual drill.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:06 | 1564865 Rick64
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You are mistaken the general population didn't support the war in Iraq, vietnam, and WWII.

   If you go back and research it you will find the facts. Vietnam War was started based on a false attack (Gulf of Tonkin Incident). Lyndon Johnson lied to the public and said we were not going to war when it was shown he had every intention of going to war with vietnam (Pentagon Papers).

 In the 1940 presidental election campaign Roosevelt promised to keep America out of the war. He stated, "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again; your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

" Churchill pleaded "Give us the tools and we'll finish the job." In January 1941, following up on his campaign pledge and the prime minister's appeal for arms, Roosevelt proposed to Congress a new military aid bill.

 Roosevelt lied to the people.

 Iraq war the Bush administration continually used propaganda to lure public opinion to his side. Al Qaeda connection, nuclear and chemical weapons, ect.. and the media played along. There was great opposition to this war as well, but when Powell gave his speech at the U.N. it convinced many that the threat was valid even though now we know it was based on lies (Curve Ball/ Iraqi defector).

I see a pattern here. Its called lying to get elected then doing what the MIC, corporations, and banks want done.  Look at almost every president including some of our forefathers and its the same.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:21 | 1565101 AnAnonymous
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I am not mistaken.

Lets try to keep this straight:

The US is an undivided nation. It does not come from me. It is not my claim. It is the US point. US citizens describe themselves as an undivided nation in the political meaning.

Once this is recalled, it is not because some US citizens are genuinely against war that it translates forcefully into US citizens (or the US People), the political entity are against war.

Claiming the opposite is disingenous.

My observation is just that: an observation. It is done within the US set framework. I imported no alien notions in it.

US citizens want war. They want the opportunities associated with war. Now, if people understand that as every single US citizen want war and the opportunities associated with war, or that because some US citizens do not want war then it means that US citizens do not want war, that is their problem, not mine.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:37 | 1565460 Rick64
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You are mistaking the politicians for the U.S. citizens which obviously they don't represent us but do represent the corporations, MIC, and banks.  When I say there was opposition I am speaking of a majority. There are polls, newspaper articles, and other relevant information backing this up. Your opinion is not backed up with any facts, but based on your observations. Your argument is bordering on ridiculous.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 14:38 | 1566315 AnAnonymous
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Facts are observed.

I did not use perception on purpose here.

There is a substantial difference between perception and observation, that matters incidentally on what a fact is.

As to polls, they are just that, they are influenced by mood, used to send signals to the political class.

They cant supercede actions.

It is possible for a person to answer that she will vote for this candidate and actually vote for another candidate.

You prefer perception (polls, newspapers [expression of opinion freed of any feedback]) Others prefer observation (including me)

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 17:17 | 1566790 Rick64
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In the 1968 Presidential campaign, Richard Nixon stated that "new leadership will end the war" in Vietnam.

Now why would the U.S. citizens elect a president that said he wanted to end the war in Vietnam?

 In the 1940 presidental election campaign Roosevelt promised to keep America out of the war. He stated, "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again; your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

During the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush argued against nation building and foreign military entanglements. In the second presidential debate, he said: "I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got to be.'"

These are undisputable facts.  Now why would the U.S. citizens elect these presidents promising not to go to war or end a war? Where is the bully mentality during elections? Why would a U.S. president promise the people no war if they want war? Your argument went from ridiculous to asinine.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 12:43 | 1583476 smiler03
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Fuck me. You've bored me shitless. Are you Timothy Bancroft?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:59 | 1564844 CH1
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Confused: There are (many) people who have built their world paradigm around the evil of the American people, and they will defend this view against all evidence. If Americans are not blood-drinking monsters, their structure collapses.

I'll pass up a discussion on "no structure can properly represent reality."

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:31 | 1565135 AnAnonymous
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But what evidences? A world paradigm can be built on evidences.

The evidences state that US citizens want war.

The US is at war on multiple fronts, US citizens benefit from the opportunities open by wars. They want war and the opportunities associated with it.

This side of reality is plain for all to see.

The point is  US citizens are less and less able to provide efficient propaganda to divert from that side of reality.

Because that is what people should surrender to start believing in US citizens do not want war stuff.

They should surrender reality. It comes at a price and the US is no longer able to buy people out as much as in the past.

The US is at war on multiple fronts and US citizens are queuing to benefit from the opportunities associated to war.

Two facts here that I am certainly not ready to dismiss just to please US citizens who want people to believe that US citizens do not want war.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:44 | 1564677 ArgentDawn
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GLP is that way -> please follow the signs.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:38 | 1564984 Fukushima Sam
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Third-world troll...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:53 | 1564430 wisefool
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Naw. What brings Paul down is the insistance on the Gold Standard. You dont get to be as old as he is without understanding how the MSM works. It's his only couch, and the imperically best one in the war closet of a politician, or a media exec selling costumes to the dancing with the stars producers.

Put away your shiny sword and do unto others. Including what he said on the CNN interview which (with medical training) stated: (para) 'If a woman kills a 8 lb baby out of the womb she is a murderer, if both mother and "fetus" are healthy but 3 months pregnant and 5 lbs less, it is a choice. Drs. Should not get paid for that crap by the federal government for 350 million "non-deciders" '

Gold is a pretty metal. The planet probably has more to dig out of the ground, but dont make it universal fractional medium of exchange. I am partial to sound money policies based on shit outside of the cave/mine. Ron Paul can be my Vice President.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 03:33 | 1564459 damage
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I disagree, but anyways... typo in the article... should be "40 years" not "4 years".

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 04:01 | 1564481 wisefool
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I still maintain that the day that the US goes to a gold standard, all of the gold is hauled out of the USA within weeks, based on the contract the USA would sign like ben bernake and his girlfreind with a shiner drinking an ale after his last "fight". Thanks WB7. 8.15.11

The 40 year aniversary you speak of regarding the Nixon shock is a really interesting period in time. Nixon vs. Kennedy in a rumble over preserving US interests and at the same time carrying the mantle of being the global reserve currency. Here are the choices:

  • Fiscal (war, and or infrastructure to make war, rebuild, Marshal Plan, alien invaders)
  • Monetary (Gold? Whose Gold is it really? Shatner vs. Ron Paul Age of Aquinas, Ponce DeLeon, fiat)
  • Tax Code (try it, but it always ends up getting biblical, Randian)

Option #4... pension fund.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:55 | 1564696 AngelsMom
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Focusing on your statement that "all the gold [would be] hauled out of the USA within weeks," you are sort of right. Rather than go straight to a gold standard, Dr. Paul has suggests he would prefer initially to allow gold to compete with the dollar for use in society, but then Gresham's law comes into effect; the same thing has happened in country after country throughout history when two currencies, one of greater value (gold/silver) and one of lesser value (debased metal or, in our case, paper) are used: people will hoard (or leave the country with) the currency of greater value.

I'm not sure what the workaround for this could be. If the entire world went to a gold standard, that would make this kind of "capital flight" moot, but it's about as likely as Bernanke melting down his favorite printing press.

Does anybody with a greater grasp of finance/history than I have any suggestions for how the transition to a gold standard could work in the real world?



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 04:45 | 1564506 Michael
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In a coordinated effort, all mainstream media outfits made the same concerted effort to ignore Ron Paul in the Iowa Straw Poll discussion at the same time.

They all must be getting their orders from a single source at the top.

The Rothschild's, who own AP and Reuiters? CFR orders maybe?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:14 | 1564891 Ident 7777 economy
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by Michael
on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 04:45

The Rothschild's, who own AP and Reuiters? CFR orders maybe? 

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Oh brother ... more 'spurious assertions' with NO PROOF by someone with NO CREDIBILITY.


A mental disorder (e.g. deep-seated paranoia) would explain this CONSTANT pre-occupation ...




Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:38 | 1565779 gdogus erectus
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Damn, Michael - you must be spot on to bring out such a strong atack from a troll so quickly.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:49 | 1564423 AnAnonymous
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Paul needs an official translator or what?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:26 | 1565385 BigJim
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That's pretty rich coming from you.

I don't mind that your English is poor, because I assume you're not a native English speaker. But you really are not in any position to criticise anyone else in this regard.

PS - congratulations for not bringing up The Homestead Act (1862).

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:59 | 1564250 thefatasswilly
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"People are wise to the MSM."

LOL. What exactly do you mean by "people?" How big is your sample size? Where are these people from? How well educated are they?

The masses don't even fucking watch CNN. They watch Jersey Shore, and oh, football season is here. They don't give a shit about elections or politics or anything of the sort unless they can't eat, and with water still coming out of the faucets, GMO food, and EBT cards everywhere, this is not the case.

The masses are ignorant and intellectually handicapped. Even if they were not, Ron Paul would not be elected unless the powers that be allow it. Read some Stalin quotes involving voting or something.

The majority of humanity is worthless outside of the brute labor it provides (and this is being replaced by machines. This remarkable fact has been quite a conundrum for me, personally: should I simply physically liquidate these animals? But everything is relative . . .). This is why democracy does not work. This is why the ancients fell. This is why America is failing. You, and the majority of ZHers, cling to false paradigmns touting equality and similar such nonsense. This is your failing.

The masses have begun invading this once excellent discussion board. Their idiocy brings down the intellectual discourse. I mean, even here, racism is denounced as vile, when racism is nothing more than loving those who are more related to you than those who are less! Do you not love your mother and father more than some stranger on the street?! If you don't, you are a scoundrel!

The decline has been horrifying yet fascinating to track. Tyler runs this sight for profit and bang bang hits, not quality of readers and commenters. It is inevitable.

"In the Tibetan philosophy . . . I know we're all dying." - Fight Club. Everything ascends, peaks, then declines. Zerohedge is past its peak. Was fun while it lasted.

Oh, and yeah. America is past its peak. Niggers and spics, with their incredibly inferior cultural values, invade from every perspective possible. Just turn on the radio and listen to a pop, aka popular, song and you'll nah sayin. The WASP order is already gone (check out the supreme court, roflmao). "Nothing can stop Paul"? So what? Even if he's elected, nothing will change. You all sound like the dumb bitches I went to college with.

"Omg Obama is SO good at giving speeches and like omG he has a BLACKBERRY i'm so moist"

Pathetic. Simple minds discuss people.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 01:17 | 1564290 macholatte
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Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.
Joseph Stalin

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas.
Joseph Stalin

It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
Joseph Stalin

When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use.
Joseph Stalin

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:05 | 1564365 Libertarians fo...
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Fat Ass - 

If memory serves correct, you're Chinese and have a penchant for worshipping snakes in space.  

A few days ago, there was a thread about the high-speed CRH380BL Chinese bullet trains.  The conversation focused on the inferiority of Chinese technology and workmanship.  Supposedly, the Chinese are known for stealing technology, being copycats and ripping off ideas from other, more superior, nations. Even Tyler made a comment that if quality control ever came into the Chinese production process, it would destroy Chinese GDP.

Being from China, could you offer some insight on your inferiority in this regard?

Sorry to talk about people - I know you think "simple minds discuss people," but given your entire post was about "people," I figured this must have been an exception.   

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:31 | 1564408 thefatasswilly
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Yawn. Look at American cars. Blah blah blah. You're boring, predictable, and mediocre.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:49 | 1564422 Libertarians fo...
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American cars?  They suck.  Everyone knows that.

But that doesn't address anything I said.  Nothing. Zilch. Your response was a very strange and transparent attempt not to address my questions.  

What is your opinion/defense regarding the Chinese reputation for being counterfeiters and technology thieves who are willing to whore out their labor at sub-slave rates?

Your empty cities and counterfeit culture is really rather embarrassing for you, isn't it?  



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:58 | 1564433 thefatasswilly
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You addressed nothing that I said, so I chose to respond in the same way.

Your style of "debate" is worn and old. It's called ad hominem. You're not even intelligent enough to engage in real conversation. You are a very typical American. Run back to your football game, simpleton.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 03:05 | 1564441 Vic Vinegar
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You are a smart cat and Zero Hedge would probably be a better place if you commented more.  But as you and I know, no one has all the answers.  

So tonight we get this Katy Perry video:

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 03:11 | 1564445 Libertarians fo...
Libertarians for Prosperity's picture I chose to respond in the same way......


How fitting that you'd copy cat me.  

By the way XengZang, I wasn't debating your original post.  I was just asking a simple question.  

If you're ever in the LA area, let me know.  I need someone to cut my toenails.  The last Chinese guy that did it charged me $1 foot.  Too high, slant-eye.   


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 03:28 | 1564457 thefatasswilly
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Write something worth reading, and I might consider you worthy of life.

As it stands, on this petri dish of rapidly diminishing resources, you've proven yourself a waste of oxygen, oil, and water.

Stuff that's made in china is crap. Everyone knows this. Just as how you responded that everyone knows that American cars are crap. blah blah blah.

You want my insights on how I feel about the fact that stuff that's made in china is shit?

It's hilarious. Cause you Americans buy it up. You driver is materialism, the cancerous outlook which ordains that the insatiable urge for constant consumption is GOOD. You believe that resources are infinite. You believe that buying cheap plastic Chinese bullshit such as iPads brings happiness.

Yes, you're right. But at least I don't buy the shit, unlike you. Now, fuck off and watch some football on your plastic television before I'm forced to beat you some more, because you're boring, predictable, etc. etc.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 03:40 | 1564462 Vic Vinegar
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Just don't be so angry dude.  Life is short.  When we are kicking it on our deathbead (if we are lucky enough to get there) we are going to be regret being so angry on Zero Hedge.  I promise you that.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 03:40 | 1564463 wisefool
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SNARK for Levity on an english language website:

I think this is a good turning point in the debate. I wonder what chinese people think "football" is. Is it a sport, coached by a phys ed teacher cum CEO of Enron? or is it a sport coached by one of Sarcosies babies mommas?

Merckle has important decisions to make based on our Asian perceptions. And Christine Amanpour needs subject matter for her show this week.



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 03:49 | 1564472 Vic Vinegar
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I think this is a good turning point in the debate about what Zero Hedge is supposed to be about.  I mean, we have "wisefool" (no offense dude) logging on to give us this wisdom.

I only logged on to give people youtube videos.  Shit, was there something more to this?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 04:16 | 1564487 wisefool
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No offense taken. Never wanted to be a Rodeo type cowboy hero. And McDonalds food is for the youngsters. It is a rodeo clowns' life for me.

* Disclaimer: I own and wear Dickies (official sponsor of rodeo clowns) that were manufactured in both the USA and China. 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:00 | 1565046 fallout11
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Kindly return to your lurking Fatass, you have nothing to contribute here and have not for most of your short tenure here.  

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 04:00 | 1564476 Vic Vinegar
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Libertarians (or on this site is it libtards?): nice comment.  You do not need to enjoy mine.


Think of all the sad sacks in the world, thinking they are going to change shit.  

I mean, we all had to  come to this place of understanding, no?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:26 | 1564756 tmosley
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Nice to see you disclose your below the surface racism. It shatters any pretense you had at that famous liberal moral superiority. Shall I have Trav get you a white hood?  

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:43 | 1564999 fuu
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Huh, I always thought it WAS Trav.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:52 | 1564426 Vic Vinegar
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I knew you would get brought out of the woodwork again.  You are a smart dude, chink. :-)

Just 'cuz we had too much alien talk today:

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:09 | 1564872 Hooter Shaker
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LOL.  Yeah, Chinese products are the best.  They steal the best technology in the world and still fuck it up during production.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:55 | 1564431 AnAnonymous
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If memory serves correct, you're Chinese

This guy is a US citizen with Chinese  ancestors. As the climate against China is building up in the US, his security feeling is mudded.

Very US citizenish.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:59 | 1564434 Vic Vinegar
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Fuck man, are we really trying to figure this out right now?  Tyler really created some powerful shit, huh?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:45 | 1564418 scratch_and_sniff
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"racism is nothing more than loving those who are more related to you than those who are less!"

Ha ha, so much for your "intellectual discourse" you demented spoon - racism is not "loving your family more than the man on the street" that's just he saddest excuse for hating i ever heard, call a spade a spade and get it over with for fuck sake - do you want to be free only to hate? Racism is the unshakeable belief that one race is superior than another, more deserving than the other race, and has a god given right to dominate the other race. Now, any old nobody can think this is true if they want, sometimes people will challenge you sometimes not, but if this belief spills into political life then you end up with a society of segregation based on skin colour and other biological traits; just a nightmarish inhuman hell designed by total fascist bastards. And where does that end? We can let them pick our cotton but we cant swim with them, eat with them, ride on the bus or have sex with them etc etc...its just too fucking despicable to even talk about, i feel soiled even discussing it. That’s why people like you and your opinions are kept on the back foot, because it’s the right thing to do - don’t let a molehill turn into a mountain, kill it at the source.


Anyhow, it was cunts like you that wrecked your country, not the blacks. Always thinking you deserve more, always assuming you should be richer, smarter, freer, things should be purer...why is always the same kind of people? You are a fledgling fascist, the scourge of humanity and perfect nazi cannon fodder. Its not intellectual discourse your kind need to thrive, its intellectual ignorance. And for the reasons you stated above, you actually are in the right place.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 03:05 | 1564439 thefatasswilly
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No, you are wrong. Racism is the unshakable (learn to spell, by the way. English is my second language and I understand it better than your sorry ass) belief that YOUR race is superior to another (learn some proper English grammar, btw. Idiot).

Your "race," in the western concept of the word, is those related to you by blood. Just as family consists of blood relatives and those that your blood relatives fuck.

Your parents fucked in a box to concieve you. Your father drove your mother in a box to a box with doctors to give birth to you. They sent you to an elementary box, middle box, high box, and college box. Afterwards, you landed a job where you work in a box. You drive to this job in a box, you sleep in a box, you watch a box for entertainment, you talk to other people on a "smart" box.

I would tell you to think outside of the box, but I know it's pointless.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 05:23 | 1564471 scratch_and_sniff
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Consult a dictionary, not an "American-English" dictionary (where words are only bastardized because a long line of fools forgot the correct spelling).

Adjective: unshakeable ,ún'shey-ku-b(u)l

1. Marked by firm determination or resolution; not shakeable
"unshakeable convictions";
- firm, steadfast, steady, stiff, unbendable, unfaltering, unshakeable, unwavering

And as for the rest of your 1st paragraph, out of sympathy, I wont even go there.

So, okaaaay lets see, my parents lived in a box, fucked in a box, I was born in a box, watch a box, learn in a box, talk on a box, drive in a box…and what is the meaning of this? You belong in a box mate, a padded box with locks on the door. You would like to think you are some kind of social anthropologist, who muses away his lofty hours parsing the finer points of the human existence from its vulgar necessities just to enlighten the pathetic human struggle “alas, if they would only listen to you” , but you are really just lost and quite silly if you think that kind of gibberish puts you above even 1% of the human race. You cant handle life dude, it scares the sweet fuck out of you on such a fundamental level that you need to reduce it all in the shittiest terms possible…its going to consume you, your feeble amoral gibberish will eat you alive sucker! Put it away i tell yee!! Be gone with your tripe!!


 ...its not a box you are thinking out of, its a trap you are thinking into.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 06:22 | 1564548 foofoojin
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I'm afraid your outdated on the spelling.

Also, four a's in okay? I think not. all grammar Nazi's know to never even touch the forbidden fruit that is  okay/OK/O.K.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 06:42 | 1564569 scratch_and_sniff
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ummm, another fucking genius. It's hoped that the 4 a's in okaaaay reflect the disdain i have for the ballbag i addressed it too, rather than being a word its more of a noise, like pfff. And didn’t you mean “I’m afraid you’re outdated on the spelling” ? That sucks man, if you don’t know the difference then you really shouldn't be lecturing people on grammar.



"([This article is a sequel to American Spellings for British Schools? in J21, 1997/1] )

In the following list recommended spellings are listed in plain type, while non-recommended forms are listed in italics with the preferred alternative following in plain type. Most of the preferred forms are standard in America, but a few are in minority or non-standard usage there, and a few are standard in Britain but not in America."

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 06:51 | 1564578 foofoojin
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You forgot to mention me forgetting to capitalize the  a at the beginning of a sentence? In addition, what are your thoughts on the MLA axing the two spaces rule after a period in a paragraph? That crap makes me rage soooooooooo hard. :)

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:06 | 1564590 scratch_and_sniff
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You must have changed that particular sentence or i would have. The MLA can do whatever it wants, they are American, so it doesn’t matter - these are the same people who condone using the spelling of unshakable rather than unshakeable, get with the programme dude, these people are trying to rewrite reality itself, the fucking thought police. They only change those words to make them easier to spell, it’s the gradual dumbing down of American society, stand up for your rights and fight this scourge. Pick them off, one by one, work alone…

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:36 | 1564658 Medea
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Moron. That is all.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:10 | 1564726 scratch_and_sniff
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awww, the poor boy doesn’t get the sarcasm, bless.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:25 | 1564933 foofoojin
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So I take it you have read 1984?  And don't worry about my grammar. I have a piece of paper calling me dyslexic as a young child when they actually didn't use that word as a catch all.  I didn't really read till Charlie and the Chocolate Factory at age seven.  Now that I think about it, that first book I read for pleasure really set up a lot of my world view about people and ethics....  damn I'm messed up.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:17 | 1565100 scratch_and_sniff
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Charlie and the chocolate factory fucked you up lol, blame the umpa lumpa's. I cant remember much of the plot, other than a lot of wasters got picked off methodically by industrial machinery. Personally i never really got into stories until my teens, i remember reading Zen And The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and that had an effect... i was basically trying to substitute cannabis and recreational drug use with literature from what i can remember at the time, it worked.

The thing that really (temporarily)fucked me up though was when i started reading scientific books, especially evolutionary psychology. I picked up a Steven Pinker book one day and it literally blew my reality apart; i had grown up in a catholic community and we never did dwell much on evolution, never mind experimental evolutionary psychology, and here is this guy making it virtually impossible for me to disprove his arguments. Scientific writing traps you, it puts you in a position where you can either, pretend you never read it, or somehow find the resources to form lucid arguments against it...i couldn’t do the former, nor the later, hence had to accept the world as I was brought up to believe in was never going to be the same.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:48 | 1565201 thefatasswilly
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Yawn. Too many people. Not enough resources. You, like everyone else, continue to ignore this harsh reality. Closing your eyes won't make it go away, Nancy. Thanks for pushing the burden onto me, though, you spineless piece of shit.

And yet you tell me that I can't handle life? LOL. You can't even give a logical reason as to why racism is bad. You are pathetic and mediocre.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:02 | 1565260 scratch_and_sniff
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Jesus. Car crash.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 20:11 | 1567245 thefatasswilly
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I ride a 1200cc, 150 horsepower motorcycle. Car crash? LOL

If your lord and savior existed and really wanted me dead, he's had plenty of opportunity. Take your mediocrity elsewhere, imbecile.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 01:25 | 1567265 scratch_and_sniff
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umm, i think we are losing some key elements in traslation here. See you around fascist.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 06:16 | 1564554 Freewheelin Franklin
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I don't think this comment board is big enough for your ego.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:27 | 1564628 juwes
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thefatasswilly is plagiarizing Nassim Nicholas Taleb in this post.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:50 | 1564690 jimijon
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More like holes.

You came out of a hole.

You speak through a hole.

You see through holes.

You eat through a hole.

You shit through a hole.

You piss through a hole.

You fuck a hole.

And when you die they throw you into a hole.

May you have a great whole life.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:20 | 1564920 centerline
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Ha ha ha.  That was the best.  Priceless and pointless at the same time.   

Sounds like one of my rants when I am on a roll.  Can't tell you how often I go off regarding folks having no concept of what happiness really means.  It has been completely lost in vast majority of the States.

In fact, all the "stuff" just crushes any chance of real happiness.  So many people are willing slaves to fucking "boxes" and doesn't even see it.  Meanwhile ignoring what really matters, only to complain about not having any time for these things!

Laughable.  People trapped in a fucking paper bag with both ends open.  Only when the paper bag is lit on fire will they find an exit.  Actually, I am being too kind.  Maybe half or so will find an exit.  The other half will burn down with the bad expecting someone to come get them - or convincing themselves that despite the tremendous heat, the bag is not in fact on fire - because it has never been on fire before.  LOL.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:29 | 1564632 juwes
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re: boxes

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:52 | 1564425 AnAnonymous
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I mean, even here, racism is denounced as vile, when racism is nothing more than loving those who are more related to you than those who are less! Do you not love your mother and father more than some stranger on the street?! If you don't, you are a scoundrel!

Because racism is that? And incidently, children with abusing parents might indeed prefer the stranger on the street. On a sane ground.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:49 | 1565012 fuu
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"I mean, even here, racism is denounced as vile, when racism is nothing more than loving those who are more related to you than those who are less!"

There are no "races".

It is one big family.

Why do you hate your cousins?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:54 | 1564823 Incubus
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The majority of humanity is worthless outside of the brute labor it provides (and this is being replaced by machines. This remarkable fact has been quite a conundrum for me, personally: should I simply physically liquidate these animals?

Fucking idiot: why the fuck would you kill people when all you have to do is fucking educate them properly? The masses are ignorant by design, and you're a goddamned idiot for buying into eugenicist propaganda. I don't care to bother with the rest of your post because you said all that you needed to say for me to derive that you're a myopic ignoramus who doesn't know the power of information when it is utilized properly.

The only thing "stopping" us from a better world is the sick assholes like you who believe people are "unequal." So yeah, get out of my sight, you trash. I wish ZH had an ignore option.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:29 | 1564948 centerline
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The problem here is that people are in fact unequal.  And we keep trying to ignore this fact - and dumb everyone down to the same level.  This is basic model for our current educational system.  No one is allowed to fail.

Continuing to ignore reality is part of what creates the tensions that lead to racism and other behaviors we consider inappropriate and unbecoming of a enlightened species.

Slippery slope here.  The noble path is to have the balls to walk it rather than avoid it altogether.  But, in our current entitled world - enabled only by massive debt generation and complete unsustainable of course - there is going to be snap-back of epic proportions.  Kind of like an engine that has been ignored forever.  Instead of a minor issue popping up like bad plugs, this puppy is going to throw a rod through the block.  


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:40 | 1565169 thefatasswilly
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You dare call me an idiot? Do you not realize that we have an exponentially expanding population, and that resources are finite? Do you not realize that we, or at least my generation, has a massive population crisis? Do you not understand the bacteria in a petri dish analogy?

You truly believe people are equal? Then why is it that I see this problem, and its only solution, with such clarity, and you cling to past paradigms with such ferocity? Your entire post proves my point. Imbecile.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:20 | 1565288 Incubus
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You should take your own advice, and think outside the box, you cretinous piece of shit.  You're obviously deficient in understanding possible outcomes:  you readily accept the worst as the only scenario. 

You think a world population of 7 billion people could've existed for more than a few weeks 1,000 years ago?  

What makes the prolonged "existence" of such numbers of people possible today?  Does your brain understand this? 


No: apparently, it is some obscure observation that is in plain sight.  You are a fool, so stop wasting my time;  come back when you've worked the gelatinous mass in your skull some more, you fucking waste.

Like I said: what STIFLES humanity is the type of mindset you have.  You are the worst kind of human being possible, so piss off.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 20:09 | 1567242 thefatasswilly
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"What makes the prolonged existence of such numbers of people possible today?"

Yes, my brain understands this. Yours, obviously, does not.

Oil makes it possible. Oil, which is running out. Shut the fuck up before you embarass yourself further.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 08:46 | 1568137 Incubus
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You are hopeless. Can't let anyone but yourself get the last word, eh?

I'll say it again: YOU.ARE.HOPELESS.  Do you understand what I am saying?  Look at your ugly face in the mirror and understand that your vision is short-sighted.  Maybe there'll be a spark in your skull someday. 


Our infrastructure is terribly inefficient -- the way we fucking live is inefficient.  There's no reason why more AND MORE people cannot exist on this planet if we do away with the fucking profit-seeking motive and actually design shit that's much less wasteful than what we use today. 

Didn't see that government mandate for new cars needing to get 50 MPG?  Where'd they pull 50 MPG out of their asses from?  The "best" technology for the benefit of humanity isn't always the best technology for profits.  So shut the hell up you clown.  Go paint your face and dance around a bit--you'll be more valuable to this site as a comedic relief. 

And bitch, I get the last word; ( But truthfully, I'll lose interest in you: I'm only playing with you right now.  You don't invoke any effort in me to try. C'mon you mental midget--show me something new, you fucking worthless dog.  MAKE ME TRY--stop wasting my goddamned time, you gutter-bred imbecile.) I don't understand why some ego-bruised little dummy is trying to teach me something.  I know what the fuck you're talking about.  You have no insights to give me.  You are a fool.



The only reason why "peak oil" will be a problem is because DUMBASSES LIKE YOU run the world.  It takes a fucking ignorant person to lust for power and grow their warped vision of the world where they are "superior."  I normally can't be bothered to reply directly to fools who think like you--but every so often someone needs to bitchslap one of you to put you in your place. Bunch of dumbasses strutting around like they've been gifted with with some biological super-brain, or some shit--it's disgusting when you myopic dolts try to act big and you can't fucking back up your claim of superiority.  Why can't you show me why the fuck you think you have a right to determine who gets to live and who gets to die?  Because you say so?  Because your ignorant asshole hasn't viewed the world appropriately and have deduced that "limited resources" is vindication for the slaughter of billions of people? Assholes like you are what ruined civilization--the world. Putting up with this shitty run-down society because of mindsets like yours.  I especially hate people like you--and even though I am not religious--I hope there's a hell so that you can burn and burn AND BURN for eternity. You need to suffer--and suffer greatly--and I hope you do, someday.  You need to be purified of your ignorance, you sad little thing.


edit x2:

You think yourself so fucking great and yet you fail to show me anything I haven't already been over: what a disappointment.  I guess that's how you move on up in the world, huh?  Sell yourself big when really you're just some fucking failure. I grow tired of you, little shit. 


P.S.  When you present yourself as a human being, I'll start talking to you like one, bitch.



Wed, 08/17/2011 - 19:52 | 1570944 thefatasswilly
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You took a lot of space to say nothing.

Try reading a book so that you can figure out why those in charge, are in charge. Even if what you say is true, that peak oil is a problem because of people like me, this does not change the fact that it IS a problem. Your inability to grasp this is pathetic. The world cannot support everyone without oil, end of story. None of your bitching will do anything about it.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:06 | 1564864 centerline
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This is absolutely fantastic.  We need alot more of it.  Paint that invisible hand red.  Fear of upsetting the status quo might just lead to exactly that outcome.  How ironic.  It might not be because Mr. Paul winds up winning... but because the sheeple wake up a realize they are being told only what some corporate executives want them to be told - and not because it is in the public's best interest.

Yeah, I am still hopeful that folks will wake up and do the right thing.  That most likely make me the delusional one.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:18 | 1565342 jus_lite_reading
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TPTB are scared SHITLESS of RON PAUL because he speaks the truth!!!!!!


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:20 | 1564156 Hearst
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John Stewart discusses the Ron Paul Black out.  You gotta see this!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:33 | 1564204's picture

Thanks Hearst that was great clip!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 01:04 | 1564260 The Gooch
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Tue, 08/16/2011 - 01:57 | 1564351 Defenestrate
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Brilliant link.

Truly creepy how NBC, CBS and FOX all use the exact same phrasing to talk about the "top tier." It's almost as if all the major networks had been given a, uh, oh, you know, something like a SCRIPT. From a source that insisted it be used. I'm used to lock step Republican talking points, but to see the "independent" media all lining up in obvious lock step is outrageous.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:02 | 1564359 dolly madison
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Awesome clip.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:32 | 1564642 Rick64
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Media is making their agenda blatantly clear.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:09 | 1564723 nedwardkelly
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Man what a great clip.

The final bit makes me want to puke. How a 'legitimate' news reporter can say something along the lines of "If you get any palin footage or a palin soundbite bring that back and we'll air it, you can forget the Ron Paul stuff" is beyond me.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:58 | 1564843 tmosley
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Is there a better link?  I can't hear any of what they are saying...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:00 | 1565249 Ident 7777 economy
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Yup; FAIL on account of poor production (low audio level) ...


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:31 | 1564197 Popo
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Unfortunately for Ron Paul -- he's going to lose based on his pro-Life standpoint.    He should know better than to fight a two front war.     He should keep that off the table at all costs.    It's political suicide.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 01:46 | 1564335 JPM Hater001
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So...I was looking for just the right comment to reply and boom.

Turn off the TV.

Put down the paper.

Disconnect the Matrix.

Life is important you moron. End the Fed is about freedom...ability to understand that is as essential as being pro-life. Freedom is every "potential" life's right.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:49 | 1564685 Sathington Willougby
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This just in...

Mainstream Media Rendered Obsolete.  Bankers Call Emergency Bilderberg.  Rick Perry arrives breathless on white horse.  Housewives Swoon.

End Transmission

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:00 | 1564353 Defenestrate
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I don't agree with him on it, but I think his actual stance is that it-- and gay marriage and drugs, etc, etc, etc-- should be decided at the state level.

From his website:

"At the same time, Ron Paul believes that the ninth and tenth amendments to the U.S. Constitution do not grant the federal government any authority to legalize or ban abortion. Instead, it is up to the individual states to prohibit abortion.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:02 | 1564360 Michael
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It's good for Paul taking the stance he does on pro-life; It's not going to be his problem as president. Abortion is going to be a states rights issue as it should be, not a federal issue.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 06:56 | 1564584 Husk-Erzulie
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This is old school, sock puppet think.  RP will not take his convictions "off the table" to satisfy the polls or do sock puppet, Bill n Hill style, triangulation.  His integrity is what makes him the real deal, even if you disagree with that particular position.  (you might find actually find yourself asking why such a straight arrow gentleman of high integrity and character takes such a position).  As Miss Creant said... "You won't see Dr. Paul deep throating corndogs in Iowa" and that really is the whole point in a nutshell.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:29 | 1564635 Ricky Bobby
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Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:17 | 1564749 Cvillian
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I will probably vote for Paul but he doesn't help his cause by appearing via the internet versus on-set and by using what looks like a wide angel camera three inches below his nose. Appearances do matter

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 23:57 | 1564075 monopoly
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He may not be Thomas Jefferson or James Monroe but he is the best we got. Wish he was a little younger. Think they will use that against him if he continues to gain traction.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:08 | 1564111 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Age ain't nothing but a number.  I bet Paul would whoop any red canidate AND Obama at the same time.  I ain't joking neither.  All that matters when throwing a punch is aim.  Let's see if he can put one on the chin.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:51 | 1564212's picture

Ron Paul is credited with the only home run ever hit in the annual congressional baseball game. Check the photo -- he looks like a pro. Lew Rockwell says Ron is still in great shape.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 05:40 | 1564533 speculator
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He also won the Pennsylvania state championship in the 220 and 440 yard runs in high school, but was taken out of college competition by a knee injury. He still bikes, walks and swims for exercise.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:01 | 1564587 Husk-Erzulie
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The guy is in great shape, mentally and physically, he is just entering elder statesman territory.  A credible, maybe younger, veep would serve to allay any (ungrounded) fears about his age.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:35 | 1564971 Hooter Shaker
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Yeah....Someone like Rand Paul.  Paul/Paul in 2012!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:19 | 1564153 FEDbuster
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They will attack him with everything they can.  Every extreme case against freedom will be thrown at him, but as you can see Dr. Paul handles the crazy extreme questions well (this isn't his first rodeo). 

His age is a factor and will be used against him.  He is in great shape, but he is 75 years old, and would be 76-80 during a first term and 80-84 during a second term.  There is a reality to that, that cannot be ignored by even die hard supporters.  Remember the end of Regan's second term?  The lights were on, but no one was home.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:42 | 1564221's picture

Deng Xiaoping became the top man in China at age 74 and continued for 14 years. He's the one who set that country on a path to freer markets and lifted them from third world status to a major creditor of the United States.

If he can do it Ron can do it even better.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 10:06 | 1565069 fallout11
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Solid point Crockett, well worth remembering.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:49 | 1564230 DeadFred
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The best campaign event for Ron Paul is happening in the market place as we speak and it will get more forceful as the months roll on. The MSM won't be able to ignore a stock market collapse, municiple and state bankruptcies, and the beginnings of hyperinflation. He won't be invisible.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 01:06 | 1564262 macholatte
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Intransigence = principles = stiff spine = courage = balls = Ron Paul



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 01:21 | 1564299 Never_Put_Down
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The messenger may have age against him, but the brush fire he has lit will sweep across the nation for years to come. I consider myself a Ron Paul Conservative as millions of other lovers of liberty do

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 03:47 | 1564467 ElTerco
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Better to have a competent president in there for three months so that people can remember what it looks like than to have endless incompetence.

The guy has the intelligence to know what's right, and the moral fiber to *say* what's right:

Mon, 08/15/2011 - 23:59 | 1564080 Thomas
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that Skype transmission makes him look awful.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:22 | 1564146 A Lunatic
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You always look awful shortly after the CIA has poisoned your cobb salad.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 01:36 | 1564319 greased up deaf guy
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because it's all about looks, right?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:00 | 1564085 Helix
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Hope you guys watched the Daily Show tonight... They just did a whole exposition on the media blackout of Ron Paul... Colbert Report too...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:03 | 1564093 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Figures.  Americans are such pop whores; they will go after the gold everytime.  Every fucking time.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:21 | 1564163 Helix
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I'm glad they are finally talking about him, even if it's about them not talking about him. It's just too damm bad that elections are basically high school popularity contests and Ron is unfortunately the unpopular bright nerd in the back of the class... God I hate the mainstream Republican party and the media for fcking over Ron every time...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:43 | 1564223 Terminus C
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you suffer from the misguided belief that votes count.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:01 | 1564086 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Cue the dude calling everyone "Paultards"....

..that's your cue dude.  Come get some.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:03 | 1564094 Boop
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Really? It's been just the last 4 years?

Stewart's coverage was really good.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:05 | 1564097 PulauHantu29
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Just about everyone I know is supporting Ron Paul thus far. I'd like to know more about all the candidates but Paul is obviously the only one who any clue about economics.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:05 | 1564099 zorba THE GREEK
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Ron Paul can never become president. One must lie to become president and Ron Paul is above lies.

We need Ron Paul to remind us often of the path we need to follow to become a great nation again.

We need a president who is inspired by people like Ron Paul and is willing to take advice from them.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:58 | 1564432 AnAnonymous
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How cultish.

Paul lies. Paul is a US citizen.

For example, Paul denied knowing who did what in the Paul's letters story.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 07:32 | 1564646 Ricky Bobby
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Your reply proves we need  Ron Paul. We need to dismantle the empire, get our house in order and prepare for our real enemies.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:31 | 1564770 tmosley
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I see, so you are a mind reader too, huh?  

That's cultish.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 09:41 | 1564994 Hooter Shaker
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Don't you have some cheap ass knock off to make or something?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:06 | 1564102 KenShabby
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Mr. Paul has my vote. And I am a life long Dem from Chicago. It wasn't until I started to work in the CPS that I was like "What the fuck...?"

No more.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:14 | 1564130 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I feel that.  The thing I like about Paul is he wants us to decide what is good.  We don't want war, he don't want war.  We understand pot is a plant not synthisized, he understands it is not a drug but an herb.  The thing is, and the reason I do not think I could vote for him (but I don't vote for President because of the electoral college) is because I do not know where he stands on CORPORATIONS.  If he favors the constitution for how it was originally, then he should know to have corporations rewrite their charters and bylaws every seven (or so) years.  Time will tell on that one.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 01:48 | 1564336 Bananamerican
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on bailouts..."This is Wall Street in big trouble and sucking in Main Street, now, and dumping all the bills on Main Street. ... And you can't solve the problem of inflation, which is the creation of money and credit out of thin air, by more money and credit out of thin air, and not changing policy. We have to change basic policy.

"Yes, it would be painful, but it wouldn't last so long. What they're doing now, they're propping up a failed system so the agony lasts longer. They're doing exactly what we did in the Depression."

"We need a market economy. We need to believe in ourselves. We need to believe and understand how the economy got us -- how the government got us into this mess. And believe me, it wouldn't be that tough. It would be a bad year. But, this way, it's going to be a bad decade."-Ron Paul


sounds like a Z-hedger eh?

I'm an ex-Dem too (no, I didn't vote for O)

Ron Paul 2012

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:56 | 1564835 TheAkashicRecord
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I think this is a good indicator on where he stands regarding corporate personhood, which in my opinion, is one of the more important sub-issues (if not, the most important) surrounding corporations in general.

I'm very glad he disagrees with Romney here.  Of course he is confusing "is" vs "ought," because due to legal precedent corporations ARE indeed people, but they ought to not be.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 02:09 | 1564377 dolly madison
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Kenshabby, I would be very interested in hearing about your experiences in CPS that made you feel that way.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:06 | 1564103 bankonzhongguo
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G_d bless Ron Paul.

And for all the crypto-liberal Jews in the MSM that back Obama/Perry in order to crush Iran, beware what you wish for.  The police state you are helping to create in America will be turned back on you when things really do hit the fan.  Just because the SPLC is steering DHS, don't think the next right wing Christian nut candidate will be as generous. All this centralized federal power will be misused.

Liberty is real liberty for all peoples, not cameras on street corners and fake domestic terrorism to justify bank bailouts.

Give Paul his just desserts. Let him organically live or die.  If he gets in the driver's seat you can always have Mossad take him out.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:19 | 1564151 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I think the "crypto jews" will understand since you spelled god their way.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 05:10 | 1564519 ZeroPower
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Haha exactly what i thought.

Sad attempt at a comment, bankonz, you troll.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:06 | 1564104 Eireann go Brach
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Piers Morgan is an English twat whose claim to fame is judging talent shows, he is laughed at and ridiculed across the pond, and here he is on CNN replacing the old bird Larry King, Ron Paul should not even waste his time listening to this wanker!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:18 | 1564149 scratch_and_sniff
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The fact that you lot replaced Larry King with Morgan is just downright fucking madness. The guy is a letch, a limelite hogging, grasping pandering tabloid letch of the highest order. That ass licking motherfucker would prostitute his own kids to get on TV, it makes me barf.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 01:25 | 1564303 pesamystik
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Morgan is the scum of the earth. Just imagine his slimey ass here in America during the Revolutionary War. He would be busy selling out every last revolutionary he could. He is a well oiled media pig, possessed by the soul of Larry King and a million other media schills. ugh.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 08:32 | 1564773 speculator
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Jeremy Clarkson punched him in the face once - I don't know the circumstances, but if this guy is an enemy of Clarkson (an anti-PC, libertarian Brit) that says enough. 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:07 | 1564108 New Survivalist
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Eat the corn dog, Ron! could you not vote for this guy. RP is the shit.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:11 | 1564122 natty light
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[Piers Morgan]... [another example of why CNN] is currently on the verge of the end.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:11 | 1564124 Debtless
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the only one in the race that will NOT continue the status quo™.

support R. Paul.

now or never kids.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 00:12 | 1564127 scratch_and_sniff
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lol what’s the deal with drinking raw milk?

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