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CNN/Time Poll Finds Romney, Paul Iowa Photofinish, PPP Has Paul In Lead For Second Week
When a week ago we reported the latest weekly data from the Public Policy Polling institute, many were stunned to learn that Ron Paul was in the lead in the Iowa caucuses. In light of the neverending media onslaught against the Texan, this is not very surprising. The discrepancy between PPP and other, more "accepted" polls such as the CNN/Time was borderline ridiculous, when it came to the standing of the anti-Fed crusader (attacks against whom have recently passed into the Twilight Zone as per this NYT article). Just released, however, is the latest CNN poll information, which is far more in line with what PPP predicts, namely an Iowa photofinish between Paul and Romney. "Twenty-five percent of people questioned say if the caucuses were held today, they'd most likely back Mitt Romney, with 22% saying they'd support Rep. Ron Paul of Texas. Romney's three point margin is within the poll's sampling error. The poll's Wednesday release comes six days before Iowa's January 3 caucuses, which kickoff the presidential primary and caucus calendar. The Iowa caucuses are followed one week later by the New Hampshire primary." In its previous poll, CNN had Gingrich in the lead with 33%, followed by Romney and Paul with 20% and 17%. So while CNN implicitly admits that Paul may well be in the lead net of sampling error, it masks this by making the story focus on something totally irrelevant: the fact that somehow Santorum's support is surging.
From CNN, deflecting from the main story:
In Iowa, both Romney and Paul are each up five points among likely caucus goers from a CNN/Time/ORC poll conducted at the start of December. The new survey indicates that Santorum, the former senator from Pennsylvania, is at 16% support, up 11 points from the beginning of the month, with Gingrich at 14%, down from 33% in the previous poll. Since Gingrich's rise late last month and early this month in both national and early voting state surveys, he's come under attack by many of the rival campaigns.
According to the survey, 11% are backing Texas Gov. Rick Perry, 9% are supporting Rep Michele Bachmann, and 1% are backing former Utah Gov. and former ambassador to China Jon Huntsman, who's spending nearly all his time campaigning in New Hampshire.
Santorum is campaigning on a shoestring budget, but he's visited all of Iowa's 99 counties and has made a strong pitch towards social conservative voters, who are very influential here in Iowa on the Republican side. Wednesday Santorum was up with a new radio spot on Hawkeye State airwaves touting endorsements by social conservative leaders. His pitch may be starting to pay off.
"Most of Santorum's gains have come among likely caucus participants who are born-again or evangelical, and he now tops the list among that crucial voting bloc, with support from 22% of born-agains compared to 18% for Paul, 16% for Romney, and 14% for Gingrich," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
So while the MSM continues to pray that Paul does not go far, here is the PPP following up on the story it broke last week:
The last week and a half has brought little change in the standings for the Iowa Republican caucus: Ron Paul continues to lead Mitt Romney by a modest margin, 24-20. Newt Gingrich is in 3rd at 13% followed by Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum at 10%, Jon Huntsman at 4%, and Buddy Roemer at 2%.
Paul's strength in Iowa continues to depend on a coalition of voters that's pretty unusual for a Republican in the state. Romney leads 22-20 with those who are actually Republicans, while Paul has a 39-12 advantage with the 24% who are either independents or Democrats. GOP caucus voters tend to skew old, and Romney has a 34-12 advantage with seniors. But Paul's candidacy looks like it's going to attract an unusual number of younger voters to the caucus this year, and with those under 45 he has a 35-11 advantage on Romney. The independent/young voter combo worked for Barack Obama in securing an unexpectedly large victory on the Democratic side in 2008 and it may be Paul's winning equation in 2012.
Paul continues to have much more passionate support than Romney. 77% of his voters are firmly committed to him, compared to 71% for Romney. Among voters who say their minds are completely made up Paul's lead expands to 7 points at 28-21. If Paul's lead holds on through next Tuesday it appears he'll have won this on the ground- 26% of voters think he's run the strongest campaign in the state to 18% for Bachmann and 10% for Santorum with just 5% bestowing that designation to Romney. There's also an increasing sense that Paul will indeed win the state- 29% think he'll emerge victorious with 15% picking Romney and no one else in double digits.
And since the whole public is beyond tired of the relentless media spin, the good thing is that there is less than a week until the Iowa results are actual. One can only hope Diebold has not been used to tabulate the votes.
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The other rat movie was Ben as in The Ben Bernank.
You're telling me that my $250 wasn't a total waste?
They will be calling Ron Paul "unpatroitic" for refusing to rush to wage war with Iran. If you are not ready to kill, you are not ready to win in America. Look at Obama - that Nobel peace prize winner has yet to say no to a war.
It feels like that the CIA and NSA run the US of A - ever since Kennedy promised to crush "the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the wind."
Instead the CIA scattered his brains in Dallas.
Ron Paul will not be welcomed by the Defense Department and the CIA - they need continuous war for continuous funding.
If Ron Paul wins the Republican primary, he should not fly in private jets. Paul Wellstone and Mel Carnahan should be warning enough.
yet another reason why he should pick Bernie Sanders or Denis Kucinich has his running mate.
what happens if the war is a bloody mess? seems to me that RP's popularity would soar.
Larry MacDonald too of GA. He was in the house of representatives and voted like Ron Paul. Larry was a very conservative Democrat. He was on the KAL flight that was shot down.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mohandas Gandhi
No matter how many times you are told that Ron Paul can not win just remember that Mohandas Gandhi was said to never have a chance of winning the freedom of India.
Ron Paul is Americas last chance. All the others will continue down the same path to Amerika's destruction. We will join Sparta and The Roman Empire as great failed nations of history.
The CNN poll for Iowa is bogus and understates how well Paul will do. It is a GOP only poll whereas Independents & Democrats can also vote in the Iowa caucuses. The poll fits their narrative that Santorum is going up and Paul has been hurt by the negative media attention, whereas in reality his numbers have only gone up since.
PPP just called out CNN on twitter:
@ppppolls: If we only polled registered Republicans in Iowa like CNN we'd have Romney ahead of Paul too...not how the rules work though
@ppppolls: Our IA poll just with Republicans: Romney 22, Paul 20. But with 24% of electorate that's non-Republican: Paul 39, Romney 12
Or what about this headline CNN just aired: "Rick Santorum leaps into 3rd place in our Iowa poll, ahead of Gingrich and Paul" - http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2250/falsez.jpg
Really CNN? Paul is in 4th or 5th place now?
Holy crap, that screenshot is ridiculous. They are really pulling out all the stops... couple more days and they will just censor his name from being aired on the channel at all.
This is from a CBS Poll last week: http://home.comcast.net/~burk3466/pwpimages/someone_else.jpg\
Yes, it's real. Crosstabs here: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_GOP_122011.pdf?tag=contentMain;co...
Ron Paul Did Not "Walk Out" of CNN Interview; Blatantly Biased Headline by Time Magazine; Six Reasons to Vote for Paul
Posted: 27 Dec 2011 10:19 AM PST
In response to Attack Dogs Unleashed on Ron Paul; No Need to Rethink Endorsement; Plus Side of Attack Dogs I received many emails informing me that Ron Paul did not walk out of an interview with CNN with Gloria Borger.
The Daily Paul, posted the entire CNN interview that shows a much different picture than portrayed by Time and CNN.
Blatantly Biased Headline by Time Magazine
Play the video and you will see the interview was effectively over. Time Magazine posted a very slanted headline Paul Walks Away.
Piling on the Nonsense
David Frum, CNN Contributor, piles on the nonsense Codger, crank or more?
Fair to Say?!
It's certainly not fair to make that claim. Can I see a poll please? Moreover, Libertarians do not hold the racial beliefs stated by David Frum.
If someone wants to talk about ethics, it's just as easy for me to claim "It's fair to say the vast majority of those following the Paul story understand that CNN writers like Gloria Borger, David Frum, and Wolf Blitzer do not care about the news, they only care about generating sensational headlines, any way they can. Moreover, CNN openly support wars, regardless of the ethics of war, because war is good for ratings."
I do believe that's "fair to say", although like David Frum I do not have a poll to prove it.
While on the theme of "fair to say" I would like to point out this comment made by "EasyRhino" to Frum on the CNN blog: "Keep in mind Frum is a 5 star chicken hawk who defended the invasion of Iraq and advocates regime change in Iran and Syria, everything Paul is against."
Contact CNN
I might also point out that it's "fair to say" the CNN writers must be cowards because they do not have a direct way to contact them via email.
You can however, Send a General Email to CNN and let them know what you think of their reporting.
Attempts to Turn Non-News into News
This biased reporting of "walking away" is a case of news agencies attempting to "make news" where there is no news. Moreover, a couple of questions by Gloria Borger, including the question of returning money, were economically inane. There is no one to return money to, as Paul pointed out.
Still when pressured by Borger, Paul should have been more direct with something like "Sorry Gloria, things I did not say over 20 years ago and have explained to CNN a number of times are not meaningful and are not news, no matter how much you try to spin it so. What is relevant today is my position on the economy, on troops in Afghanistan, and on reducing the deficit, not things I never said, and more importantly never acted on in all my years in Congress."
Six Reasons to Vote for Paul
As I have pointed out before, President Obama and Mitt Romney are Nearly One and the Same!
This is not a case of the lesser of two candidates, this is a case where one electable candidate and one electable candidate alone has a platform that makes sense.
Mike "Mish" Shedlock
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com
when will the american public realize elections are CIRCUSES? they are for not only entertainment but for the illusion of choice. Do you really think rulers want the public to ever elect their own officials? with that much money on the line, do you think the average american who barely reads ever is going to be the person in charge of electing a president. All the candidates are puppets and the elite want you to pick any of them, it doesn't matter, they are all going to do their bidding. Ron paul is absolutely no different. YOU REMEMBER BARACK OBAMA? wasn't he suppose to be the ONE too? COME ON. you would think people realized by now democrat and republican are the same thing, they are the party of $$$ for the international bankers and corporations. Ron Paul is eloquent in comparison to his peers for a reason.
Ron Paul is the zionist choice for president. I will say it again. The oligarchy that runs the government, the media, and the financial markets will not disappoint the public for what has been a much hyped up 2012. Expect the dollar to collapse because it must collapse if israel is going to be the ruling state of the world. That is why the State of Israel was created, drawn out of a map, and forced down the necks of the local overwhelmingly arab population. It was a lie that you were told as a lad that Israel was a homeland for the Jews. You would have to believe that the Holocaust was not a PR move to create sympathy for the Jews. Theodore Herzl, the father of Zionism in his own diaries said a crisis against JEws was needed in order to create sympathy for them so they could achieve their ultimate plan of creating a state. Why do they want a state?. Because they believe Israel needs to rule the world once again before their Messiah arrives. The Zionists control your media and your brain at this point. Go read the Protocols of Zion. And before you fall for the Zionist propaganda, no the Protocols are not a forgery. The Protocols are real. The real forgery is Maurice Joly's book which is a story, a narrative, something you read to your kids at night before they go to bed and you want to spook them....the Protocols are a manual, a clear and vivid step by step sadistic plan to control governments using detail. Read them both for respect for your own intellect before you fall for that zionist antisemitic ploy they always try to use.
Ron Paul will bring back gold and silver into play so the "prophecy" of the Jews becomes more a reality. They need gold and silver to be money again like in the times of Salomon. Ron Paul's isolationist foreign policy is the perfect setup for Israel being the next ruling state. The US will be out of the way while Israel makes its ''preemptive strike" trying to ''defend" itself from the big bad ''terrorists''.
A Ron Paul win is as clear as day if you can spot the reverse propaganda the Zionist media is putting out. when CNN says the MAINSTREAM MEDIA is IGNORING ron paul and needs to cover him then you know something is up. Don't be that naive, they are making Ron Paul look like he is victimized because they know he is obviously the most intelligent amongst the clowns and the more they ''supress'' him the more diehard his fans get. So when he wins, and leads his "revolution" everyone in America will parade thinking they just had a big victory against the government when in reality that is exactly who they wanted you to pick! Mind games! Funny how last year CIA and NATO were behind the arab revolutions and now OCCUPY wallstreet is our "revolution'' and Ron Paul has a "revolution". Don't you see they want you to feel like you are part of something?
Pretty cynical!!!!
I hope you are wrong
Simply for entertainment value, who are you going to write-in for President?
Remember, they have to an alive American born citizen over the age of 34, so Mel Gibson is ineligible.
I'm assuming you are writing in Jesus Christ for every office.
Where do you start with this shit? RP promoted by the Zionists? I've heard it all now....
LOL
No, you haven't even BEGUN to hear it all, not until Ron Paul wins in Iowa and the corporate-controlled media goes into an apoplectic frenzy attacking him from all angles around-the-clock. Expect to hear previously unknown individuals accuse Ron of eating their newborn kittens, kicking puppies for pleasure before drowning them in burlap bags, and having run an anti-semitic, neo-Nazi preschool in which the toddlers were sexually assaulted with gold bullion while being made to bow towards Iran in Satanic prayer while simultaneously being forced to smoke marijuana, inject crack cocaine, and recite the Pledge of Allegiance without the phrase "under God".
Thing is, if what you're saying were true, then the MSM wouldn't be trying hard to discredit Ron Paul. I don't think it's reverse propaganda, TPTB would much rather have a Romney or Perry..Ron Paul would be too hard to manage.
RP the black sheep of the Repubs
what is your avatar?
mesc
The US will probable invade Iran before Paul has time to stop such idiotic spending and fix the US economy. Great PR for Obama too, killing more terrorists like a true hero. (/s)
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151128#.TvtfitTLy5J
Iran says it chased away a Western helicopter that approached its navy war games area and did not leave until three warnings were issued.
Yesterday, a chopper which belonged to the trans-regional countries tried to approach the region of Velayat 90 exercises, but it left the area when it received a serious warning after it ignored two other warning signals of our units," Lieutenant Commander of the Iranian Navy Admiral Seyed Mahmoud Moussavi said.
Gulf of Tonkin all over again. Get Fox news back on saying all Iranians are crazy terrorists and Iran has nukes and we're set for go. It's coming folks, war with Iran. Time to buy some oil/ethanol/defence names
Ron Paul is a national embarrassment.
The mumble-mouth idiot is exposed as a shallow fool every time he takes the stage in a debate.
He looks like a fucking E.T. on acid as he squeals that the world would be much better off with a nuclear armed Iran. Now his documented record of anti-Semitism and racism is biting him in the ass.
He was such a tough guy while bashing the true republicans---Newt, Romney, Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum--- but now we'll get to see the squirmy isolationist with his hands firmly covering his wrinkled nuts as his dismal record is brought to light and he is finally on the other end of the attacks.
He has NO chance at the republican nomination, NONE. His chances are worse than JFK being elected to another term. Paul isn't a republican and everone knows it. He is a libertarian, a pacifist. Right now, the republican primary votes are divided among the five republicans while Dr. Paul gets all the libertarian votes. As soon as the field is narrowed, the republican voters will converge behind whichever republican is still standing, and Paul will become ancient history.
You Ron Paul worshipers need to deal with what is instead of what you wish is. The reality is that if every republican candidate except Ron Paul dropped dead this instant, Paul still would NOT be the republican nominee.
If the idiot cocksucker were elected President, which is impossible, nobody in Congress would support him. None of his suicidally stupid foreign policy would be enacted. He'd be a bigger laughingstock as President than he is now, and that is quite a feat.
Ron Paul has NO chance. Get over it.
You're one of those "they hate us because we're free" people aren't you?
Those types of people are filed under the "malleable and suggestible"
NDAA has killed our freedoms.
They can never take true freedom from us, freedom cannot be legislated
What passion! What prose!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bfe6CgYbH8
Ron Paul's message is resonating with non-"retards" (Hangover pronunciation). Slowly they turned, step by step...
My initiative that religion be declared a disease akin to alcoholism or cerebral palsy, not against the law but to be treated properly, with meds if necessary and neither celebrated nor shunned but rather pitied by the normal majority is getting a bunch of pop. Put you down for a signature?
Let's get back on topic - Ron Paul is the only candidate worth voting for this election.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
Shining city on a hill?
America is "special"?
It's our God-given duty to spread our twisted version of democracy through the barrel of a gun?
You like all that shit don't you?
You're trapped in myths, time to wake the fuck up.
Want to know our true "policy"
To clear the way for capital through whatever means necessary.
I love Internet Tough Guys.
Wow! I wondered where all of your anger came from and then I realized:
You're a troll! A sad pathetic excuse of a boy, huddled in your basement, friendless, ugly, looking for attention. The other boys in junior high are bigger than you and make you cry so you come to the internet where you can be a macho man?
Don't worry little boy...it gets better as you get older. Maybe you'll even grow out of trollhood!
Keep believing.
Ron Paul's momentum is building now, he's a cinch for the nomination. A mortal lock.
Make certain to send him much more money soon. Just to be on the safe side, mortgage your house and send him the proceeds.
It will be money well spent.
You remind me of the disturbed kindergarten or first-grade boy (almost every school has one) who delights in publicly wiping his feces all over the bathroom walls, one presumes for the shock value as well as for the negative attention thus generated and received.
Go wash your hands.
Bam!
One story appearing today indicates that an Israeli defense firm may be counting the votes in Iowa. If so, it would be very disturbing. As Stalin noted, it is not who votes, but who counts the votes that matters.
Here is the article: http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/israeli-defense-firm-that-...
(Rense via dprogram.net) – The Iowa caucus is only a few days away and the nation’s attention will be directed to the results, which signify the beginning of the U.S. presidential race. But does anyone watch who tallies the results of the Iowa caucus?
The Iowa caucus results were tallied in 2004 by a company that is headed by a man whose company was bought by Elron Electronics, the Israeli defense firm. I suspect that it will be the same this year. Don’t expect to see any grassroots political activists doing the tally in Iowa. The Israeli defense establishment takes care of that part of the American “democratic” election process.
VOXEO
In the summer of 2004, I first learned that a foreign and out-of-state company using Interactive Voice Response (IVR) technology tallied the Iowa caucus results.
The system used to tally the 2004 Iowa caucus results was provided by a company called Voxeo, which was apparently based in Orlando, Florida. (Yellow flag goes up in the mind of those familiar with Orlando and electronic vote fraud history. See Bollyn article on Wang below.)
The calls from the nearly 2,000 caucus centers in Iowa went to a Voxeo call center in Atlanta, Georgia.
On January 31, 2005, I wrote to Michelle Bauer, Iowa’s Secretary of State with some questions about the use of Voxeo, a foreign company located in Florida, to tally the results of the Iowa caucus:
Subject: How was the Iowa Caucus Tallied?
Dear Sirs,
When I visited the headquarters of the Democratic Party in Des Moines last summer, I learned that the tally of the Iowa caucus had been “out-sourced” to a company in Atlanta, Georgia.
What this means is that the tallying of the Iowa caucus results was done over the telephone, using the touch-tone buttons, to enter the results from each caucus locationS
I am interested in how this was done, and why. Why did the Democratic Party allow the crucial tally of the caucus results to be done by a company in Atlanta? Don’t they trust their own math skills?
Can any of you provide any information about this matter?
Kind regards,
Christopher Bollyn
A person named Mike Milligan wrote back on behalf of Secretary of State Bauer:
Mike Milligan wrote:
Dear Christopher:
The Secretary of State forwarded me the email you sent to then on Monday, January 31, 2004 [sic] regarding the Iowa Caucuses.
Unfortunately, you either received some incorrect information in your travels or are confused. The Iowa Democratic Party completed all of the caucus night tabulations in Iowa, in the Des Moines/Polk County Convention Center, which was the Caucus night HQ. In fact, our tech staff wrote the software that tabulated the results.
To answer your second to last question, we feel we have a comfortable grasp of mathematics.
Sincerely,
MWM
Mike Milligan,
Executive Director Iowa Democratic Party
(515) 244-7292 ex. 676
I wrote this note back to Mr. Milligan:
Dear Mr. Milligan,
I am responding to you about how the caucus results for the Iowa Democratic Party were tallied on the night of the nation’s first caucus. After checking my sources, I can assure you that it is correct that an out-of-state telephone/computer system tallied the Iowa precinct results.
The system used was provided by Voxeo Corporation based in Orlando, Florida. The calls went from Iowa to a call center in Atlanta, Georgia.
See: http://www.voxeo.com/
This information was first provided to me last August by John McCormally, Communications Director for the Iowa Democratic Party in Des Moines, Iowa.
Today I called Voxeo (800) 305-5771 in Orlando and although I didn’t go into detail, the receptionist confirmed that Voxeo had conducted the telephone tally of the Iowa Democratic Caucus results.
How is it that you don’t know that?
McCormally told me that chairmen were selected in all 1,993 precincts and these chairmen called in on touch-tone phones and after giving their PIN number, were able to enter the results from their precinct using the touch-tone number pad.
I’m not going to go into great detail at this point, but this procedure of using an out-of-state computer company to tally the precinct results for the Iowa Democratic Caucus lacks the transparency and openness that one might expect in this exercise in grass-roots poll.
Clearly, if someone wanted to adjust the results, it would be the easiest thing to do to do it through this computer system in Orlando, Florida. The Democrats in Iowa would never be aware of it, regardless of their math skills, unless the paper results were carefully audited in an open and honest manner.
Christopher Bollyn
THE ISRAELIS & VOXEO
Now, who really is Voxeo, and why are the Iowa caucus results tallied by them? I don’t know if the 2008 Iowa results will be tallied in the same way, but I wouldn’t doubt it.
Voxeo is headed by Jonathan Taylor, who is the company’s President and CEO. This is what his Voxeo webpage says about him:
Jonathan combined his experience in both business operations and technology innovation to found Voxeo in 1999. Under his guidance, Voxeo has seen triple-digit revenue growth for four consecutive years and has been profitable since January, 2004. Prior to Voxeo, Jonathan founded and helped bring three additional software and infrastructure service companies to profitability.
“From 1995 to 1997, Jonathan was the founder and President of InterResearch and Development Group (IRdg), Inc. IRdg created and licensed iPost – the first internet powered OEM unified messaging solution – to leading telecommunications providers including Ericsson,
Motorola and Unisys. IRdg was acquired by Elron Electronic Industries (Nasdq: ELRN) subsidiary MediaGate in 1997.”
There you have it. Jonathan Taylor’s company, which he founded, was taken over by Elron Electronic Industries, the Israeli defense high tech company:
In its early days, Elron focused on defense, particularly electronics and avionics, as well as the emerging medical and technology sectors. In 1966, Elron founded Elbit, which combined the expertise of the Ministry of Defense-Research Institute in special computer design with Elron’s experience in electronic product design, manufacture and management. Source: http://www.elron.net/default.asp?Pa…
This is important information that Americans need to know and which they will not find in the Zionist-controlled media in the United States. It needs to be understood that the entire election process in the United States is a fraud. More than that, it is a fraud that is being perpetrated by the Israeli defense establishment on the naïve and gullible American public.
The sine qua non of an honest and transparent election process is the open counting of the votes by the voters themselves in each polling station in front of the open eyes of other citizens and members of the media. Any compromise in this most fundamental and essential process which acts to remove the citizenry from the vote-counting process simply cannot be accepted.
This is what Americans MUST get back to, in every polling station in the nation: paper ballots that are hand counted in front of the public.
Nothing else will do to protect their democratic franchise in the United States – NOTHING.
* * * * * * *
Christopher Bollyn is an independent journalist who needs the support of his readers. If you value his research and writing, please send a donation via PayPal to: bollyn @ bollynbooks.com or shop @ bollynbooks.com
Recommended Reading:
“Florida Election Stolen — Computer Programmer Reveals Scheme to Steal 2000 Vote” Christopher Bollyn, 21 December 2004 http://www.bollyn.com/index/?id=105…
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Reporter Chris Bollyn Proves Why WE Must Watch and PUBLISH Iowa Count! December 31st
This article focusus on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY process in 2004, which probably explains how John Kerry went from no where to “winner” in the Iowa Caucus that year.
Bollyn’s article is shocking, and he and his family are now in hiding outside the USA after being tasered for no reason by two Homeland Security-trained plain clothes policemen in Hoffman Estates, Illinois (near Chicago) in 2006. Also see Bollyn’s article, “How a Private Company Counts our Votes on Election Night” linked on the home page of votefraud.org in the lower left hand blue box.
This excellent reporting underscores why all Iowans and NH voters must support Watch the Vote 2008 and the newly up tally board at:
www.LibertyBroadcastNetwork.org — In-home correspondents will be listed for each county in Iowa. Now all we need is for the Iowa Caucus goers to do one more thing before they go home on Jan 3, Iowa Caucus nite: make a cell phone call to the in-home correspondent assigned to your county at www.LibertyBroadcastNetwork.org — and report the eye-witness results you saw at your caucus. This is how to checkmate any chicanery in the GOP Iowa Caucus (or the Democratic).
(The list of in-home correspondents assigned to your county should be up anytime on LibertyBroadcastNetwork.org. There will also be an open nationwide conference call on Iowa Caucus nite so people can call in and ask questions anytime throughout the nite if there is any uncertainly on what to do or who to call on the actual Caucus nite.)
It is important to note that LibertyBroadcastNetwork.org has set up a system that goes live IMMEDIATELY on the internet, with updated tallies. The plan announced by Ron Paul HQ in Iowa appear useless, as Drew Ivers and the other decision makers there are planning to keep the tally secret. Without going public — what keeps the Iowa GOP and the Big TV Network consortium (now called National Election Pool, formerly Voter News Service) honest?
pithy
funny
Fact-check the Voxeo story here.
http://blogs.voxeo.com/voxeotalks/2008/01/04/voxeo-owned-by-employees-co...
Here's what you should really be concerned about:
Threats to disrupt the Iowa Republican caucuses next week have prompted state GOP officials to move the vote tabulation to an "undisclosed location," POLITICO has learned.
www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2011/12/iowa-gop-moving-votecount-to-undisclosed-location-108812.html
I wonder if Ron Paul was not close to winning if they would be moving to an "undisclosed location?"
nahhh
Holy crap! What happened to Politico comments? It used to be the most boring, brainwashed left-vs-right babble devoid of anything but name calling and kool-aid ... but ... somehow ... that thread is pwned by RP supporters.
Regards,
Cooter
Put up your own signs in support of Ron Paul and every time someone says "Ron Paul is unelectable" congratulate them on being able to regurgitate "exactly what the MSM wants them to think."
I often go a bit further but I'm an ass. "Wow, congratulations on your sheepality."
"You should wipe the kool-aid off your chin."
yeah, TPTB call the elections, remember 2008 when RP was locked out of the debates and primaries.
I like Ron Paul the man, not excited about him as president. I'd like Newt as president, but he can't beat my left shoe in a general election and I hate the man.
Romney will beat Commrade O and be the best President since Reagan (and before that you have to go back to Lincoln). You haters should really read his book and review his amazing career (Bain Capital, Mass Gov, Olymipcs). Conspiratorialists will always hate him because hes sane and looks too good. But for any sensible person he will provide real and sensible solutions that can pass a divided congress.
When you wake up from your corporate-controlled-media-induced slumber, get back to us.
But for what it's worth, I choose a candidate not on their looks, nor on how much they "excite" me, but on the strength, integrity and consistency of their political positions and fundamental beliefs. And judged by those criteria, your Mittens is the most devious, opportunistic, unprincipled, venal, Machiavellian politician in the field today. I loathe and despise him, as he stands for NOTHING but his own self-aggrandizement and the (increasingly desperate) maintenance of the crumbling political, financial and monetary status-quo. EVERYTHING about the man simply screams "sociopath".
Well said. See, akak, I keep telling you that we agree on everything except the exact path that the monetary system will take (not the final outcome of hyperinflation, I agree with that, but the path that we'll take to get there).
Thank you, WonderDawg --- that was gracious of you.
I must say that lately you have had some excellent comments in these threads as well.
I have no problem giving credit where it's due. I've never had a problem with your theories. I might not agree with everything you say with regard to inflantion-deflation, but I understand your thought process and how you've arrived at your conclusions. As I said, we don't disagree on the outcome, just the path to get there.
Thanks for the props, as well.
Get a room dudes.
Why, I oughtta .....
Exactly the shit we don't need
Uhmmmm... I live in Massachusetts. He did exactly nothing here except raised taxes to pay for his retarded medical plan that amouts to a transfer payment to the medical establishment. He's like Kerry. He just wants to be the Prez. Massachusetts was simply to add to the resume.
All the way with LBJ!! Guns n butter baby..
There was a rerun of an interview with Rumsfeld late last nite on cspan. Pretty good actually, he described the gig he took for LBJ's OEE I think it was where the federal office kept bypassing the states & local governments & instead of helping the poor they ended up suing all the mayors & other officials and what a nightmare it was. Thankfully that was before my time, what a mess. Bureaucracy at its finest, aspiring to the level of British Leyland.
The oath of office states that the president will uphold and defend the constitution.
Ron Paul is the only candidate that seems to believe in actually doing that.
I would appreciate it if those of you who really think Ron Paul has a snowball's chance in hell of becoming the 45th president of Amerika and, even if he did, be as effective as Jimmy Carter, Bill Cliton, or even JFK, would please divulge your current dosages of antidepressants, hormone supplements (Viagra), amphetamines, and psychoactives (magic mushrooms).
Why? Because Ron Paul's inevitable defeat is going to bury the hope that Barry Soetoro killed, and I would prefer to take you seriously; that is, unless you prefer to remain a paul-bearer in this funeral procession.
Baaaaaa Baaaaaaa goes the sheep.
Sheep are almost continually crapping as well.
Coincidence?
Fuck you and the cynical, defeatist horse you rode in on.
Funny how all you orifices, I mean oracles, have already divined the outcome of the 2012 presidential campaign even before the FIRST caucuses and primaries have been held! With such potent precognitive prowess, I suggest that your time would be much better spent picking racetrack winners and superball lotto numbers.
Politics, in case you had not heard, is the art of the possible.
I am astonished and flabbergasted by the self delusion of Ron Paul supporters.
Otherwise sane, intelligent people are utterly incapable of accepting the obvious. My neighbor's cat has a bigger shot at POTUS than Ron Paul.
How can anyone with a brain not see that ?
I mean, while I don't agree with Ron Paul on anything other than that the country is headed for catastrophe, I understand someone who says they believe in Ron Paul's policies or ideology. Reasonable people disagree everyday about that type stuff. I get that.
But to believe Ron Paul even has a prayer at the presidency is dumbfounding. His speaking abilities are nonexistent. He has the charisma of a dead opossum. His ideology, while very popular on this forum, is well outside of mainstream America, and they will decide the election.
How can Ron Paul supporters not put together something so simple ?
Hey retard. Speaking of delusion, maybe some of us haven't given up on our country like you and don't want your statist warmongering loving prick Mitt Romney as our President.
Fuck you asshole. You will find no friends around here with that message.
Cry me a fucking river.
You're too fucking stupid to give up on your country. It's over already, you fucking ignorant mongoloid. It's too fucking late. It is mathematically impossible to unfuck this country. Economic catastrophe awaits and there will be a reset. Ron Paul won't be relevant after the crash.
Make peace with that shit, you fucking deluded fool.
BTW---I don't come here to make friends. I have your momma.
So go kill yourself, asswipe, and leave the rest of us to our fate, if you think things are that hopeless and unchangeable.
I can smell a paid troll a mile away, and you, sir, stink to high heaven.
Yes akak, he is clearly a troll. I couldn't resist smacking his big fat empty melon of a head at least one time.
Anyone who promotes and supports Mitt Romney is a fucking tool.
I refuse to even deign to give such low-life cretins more than a sentence or two, at most, by way of a smack upside the head.
By the way, I hear it's been pretty wet in your neck of the woods; friends of mine (and relative neighbors of yours) are having to deal with major mold and mildew problems --- hope you aren't in the same boat.
What a fucking presumptuous idiot, just the type to suck Ron Paul's shriveled sack.
I am no fan of any of the current batch of dunces, including Romney, but Newt is by far the most capable of the lot.
I stink?????
Mother fucker, you reek so bad you can knock buzzards off a shit wagon at a hundred yards.
Even if Ron Paul had zero chance to win , elections aren't about picking a winner. It's not a horse race and this ain't the dog track.
That's why I will write in Ignatius Reilly for President.
He'd be vastly better than any of the fools running for office today, ESPECIALLY Ron Paul.
I have shitstains in my underwear that are more intelligent than you.
Those aren't shit stains, asshole.
They are cum stains from you jerking off to visions of Ron Paul's decrepit cock in your mouth.
How are you going to win the trifecta then?
I heard the payout was fascism.
I remember when a man's word was his bond and a handshake was really worth something. It wasn't that long ago.
Ron Paul is that kind of man, a real leader. I want to proud of who I vote for, winner or not, no more losers.
Change that is for real!
LOL! James Caan & his avatar = member of the tribe.
//Is this surge a vote for the congressman named Ron Paul? Impossible. It's in fact the Republican Party protest vote//
It's all just a protest vote, it's all just a protest vote, keep on telling yourself that bitchez!
http://tiny.cc/3smti
Ron Paul just got heckled by OWSs at a speech for veterans just now...Ron Paul applauds them for freedom of speech...RP supporters drown them out.
Also, Bachmans state chairman just endorsed RP at the same Rally
How apropos! Karma: it's a bitch. Much like Bachmann herself.
Poor Michelle --- so many foreign evildoers to bomb, so much hysterical fearmongering to spread and warmongering to incite, so little time ....
+1 for you akak couldn't add it myself
I'd like to know how the hell she got pregnant 5 times if she doesn't believe in artificial insemination. The only way I could even imagine her & ol Marcus getting it on is her bending him over with a strap on a la Steffi Graf-Andre Agassi. That's some serious crazy in that house.
re OWS hecklers...Isn't Soros for Obama?
The local media in Iowa has also ditched the ignore strategy and is doing everything they can to smear Ron Paul in the eleventh hour and pump up Romney but it just isn't working. I don't know how they will react to the huge landslide for Ron Paul. It's going to be so embarrasing for them.
"What you believe about the Iowa GOP’s decision can range from interpreting it as pants-wetting fear of scary hippies all the way to control of the votes to ensure no “mistakes” like, say, Ron Paul winning. But whatever it is, it’s not a legitimate response to what is planned to be peaceful protests with no bearing on the outcome."
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/12/28/iowa-gop-borrowing-cheneys-undisc...
For all the posters slamming Ron Paul.
I know you all need to protect your special interests but your SSI check , Income Tax , Student loans, and Medicare isn't going to matter when your in a living in a fascist police state.
FACT: Ron Paul is literally the only one talking about this.
FACT: there are more people imprisoned in America than any other country in world history.
Every single person you know could be imprisoned or shot dead by police tomorrow.
Most people are free from sheer luck.
The police force has become a haven for aspiring criminals and psychos.
There is plenty of data to support this.
The National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project
www.injusticeeverywhere.com
Jus read this site . Cops are committing crimes at a rate that would make the mafia take pause. 15-20 unique cops a day are charged with major crimes and that is just the ones that are caught.
There are only 800K LEO's in the entire country.
Without freedom you have nothing.
never in the history of man has arresting people been so casual and nonchalant as if i is no big deal.
There is a concerted effort to desenstize people to it so think it is normal. Every other show on TV is a cop show.
You people need to realize we are being flanked be an enemy force and we need to bug out or counter the manuvuer before we are surrounded.
NO OTHER ISSUE BESIDES FREEDOM EVEN MATTERS
The (not so) cruel tutelage of Pai Mei.
Ron Paul makes sense when talking about the Fed, the debasement of our money and many economics topics. However, he destroys his candidacy with idiotic statements about foreign policy or disbanding our military or legalizing cocaine or basically just completely eliminating all government. Even his comment about how our neighbors should help us if we get sick instead of having insurance companies is stupid too. The Ron Paul supporters support his idea on money & banking and our debt and deficits......the rest of Ron is crazy and would never work in the real world. Let the bashing of my comments begin in 3, 2, 1.....
I won't bash you, as you are, unlike the majority of Americans, apparently at least halfway awake already, and seem to be honestly trying to grope your way toward political enlightenment.
All I can say is, you do not and will not fully understand the consistent, pro-liberty message of Ron Paul until you come to the realization that war --- ALL war, whether "The (so-called) War on Terror", "The War on Drugs", or the rampant and aggressively militaristic, bipartisan foreign policy of offense and NOT defense that the USA currently pursues --- is part and parcel of tyranny; it always has been. One cannot have a small government at home while engaging in empire-building and offensive warmongering around the world. The fearmongering, warmongering foreign policy of both "mainstream" Republicans AND Democrats has almost NOTHING to do with honest "defense", but is unjustified OFFENSE pure and simple, and actually weakens rather than strengthens our security and prosperity.
Question your assumptions and indoctrination.
The revolutionary WAR founded this great country. You speak of empire-building so tell me where the empire of America is. The U.S. is the only superpower in history to not expand beyond our borders. Even in Iraq we withdrew our troops and now the oil fields belong not soley to US companies but to the Chinese, the French, the Italians, etc. We must be doing some sort of new-era empire building where we conquer countries and then withdraw troops, train foreign domestic soldiers and leave resources behind for others to plunder. The world would think Ron Paul and America is a pussy and 9/11 would happen again. Bin Laden called America a "paper tiger" when planning 9/11 cause of Clinton;s soft-appraoch to foreign affairs. And I ask you was the American Revolutionary war one of offense or defense? Question your idealism.
The "empire of America" (of the USA, you mean) lies in over 700 military bases in over 100 nations around the world, as well as in the projection of power, and the threat of military action, pretty much EVERYWHERE one cares to name. Just because our overseas forces, and projections of power and campaigns of military aggression, do not necessarily mirror or mimic those of, say, the Romans or the Spanish or the British has very little bearing on the situation. Or do you still believe that the USA invaded Iraq, for example (the most shamefully aggressive and unnecessary war since the Germans invaded Poland in 1939), merely to "liberate" the Iraqis and as a result of the (non-existent) threat of Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction"?
Again, the current US foreign policy of offensive, militaristic aggression has NOTHING to do with defense, and EVERYTHING to do with offense --- and with both profits and the sick, perverted power trips of neocon sociopaths. Ron Paul is in fact VERY strong on defense, much stronger than the warmongers running against him, because he has a much firmer grasp of both history and ethics, and realizes that our foreign interventionism only weakens our true national security.
I will grant you that the War of Independence did lead to greater freedom for our country, but that was merely the exception that proves the rule --- balance that against the results of the French Revolution of 1789, the Russian Revolution of 1917, or many other wars or revolutions that only led to even greater tyranny.
Iraq was an unnecessary war? How do you know that? Actually, you will never know because he is dead. If Hitler had been attacked prior to invading the Rhineland and World War II had been prevented that too would have been an unnecessary war because without World War II you could have assumed he was a non-threat. Was Saddam pursuing nuclear weapons? Yes. Forget about if he had them or not. Then you must assume he would have just been a collector of nuclear weapons and surely would have never tried to use them. You were probably one of those who yelled that attacking Iraq would awaken the Arab Street. Well guess what the Arab street did not rise because the Arab street respects only one thing and that is power! That's why they all live under totalitarian regimes. Act like a pussy or like Ron Paul and they will slaughter you.
"War is the health of the State".
And you, Sir, are feeding that health, with your willingness to fall victim to the wild, overblown, disingenuous fearmongering of sociopaths who use that fear to consolidate their own power.
Wake up man! You have nothing to lose (or fear) but your own fear-induced intellectual chains.
HUNDREDS OF MILITARY BASES AROUND THE WORD = EMPIRE.
All the banana republics going back to the fifties count as empire. Shah in Iran, take your pick in S. America, Saddam Hussein, the Saudi royal family, UAE, Yemen, take your pick of African tribal lords all bankrolled by CIA & NSA. Even if that doesn't technically count how about Alaska, Hawaii, Samoa, Puerto Rico, Guam, Saipan, Midway? Oh yeah, then there's Israel..
The Monroe Doctrine is establishment of empire, the rest is history.
That was the dumbest fucking post I ever read.
The only mental third rail I have (h/t to Trav) is actually reading these paid tools' comments and thinking they are real.
Tyler - you have the power to change the world. You gotta stop these stupid motherfukers from derailing the conversation. Give slewie or Rocky Racoon one year to the be ombudsman of this site. You won't regret it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnpEI3njoeo
Give my best to Maggie Thatcher when you roll her tonight in the coffin.
Coons are irrational, unpredictable, and eat out of garbage cans.
Is that the sort of referee you really want?
Of course, the mask is sorta cool.
Mr Sir,
Oh please ! Everyone is either with you or against you as far your government is concerned. You don't have friends which implies mutual respect, you have loyal (frightened) little followers. We (your allies) have to watch our politicians suck your politicians' cocks day in and day out with no consideration to what WE want in our own country. If your not an ally you get villified, starved or just plain blown to pieces.
Your military budget is hundreds of times everyone elses put together and a ridiculous proportion of your own bugets. Everything is about WAR and control of others.
The only people that hate your government more than your citizens do at this point is .... everyone else on the planet.
I won't bash you for your opinion. No candidate in any political office is perfect. Its the banking and smaller government policies of Ron Paul I agree with. Thats why he has my vote. I want to feel freein my life. At this point he may be our only hope.
Correct. So for the GOP it should be "Anybody who can beat Obama" 2012.....Ron Paul for Treasury Secretary! Not President.
"Vote for the guy who can win". That's how you got Dubya, how'd that work out?
How did Obama work out?
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? As far as I'm concerned the last president worth a shit was Kennedy and even that's debatable. You dweebs sure can't handle thought, can you? Fucking bandwagonning jerkoff.
I used to be in the same place. If you start doing a little reading (about "blowback" and the CIA ...see Confessions of Economic Hitman), his views become more reasonable. Even if we could aford it (WE CAN'T), there's a big difference between national defense spending and imperialism. Do some travel abroad and talk politics or international relations with people, you'll start getting the same picture.
Portugal and to a lesser extent, the Netherlands are pretty open to drugs. Society works fine there. The world wouldn't end but you would have far fewer harmless people behind bars (living off our tax dollars).
It's just smart fiscal policy that gets the target off our backs. Win-win.
Do some travel abroad? My family is from Greece (I was born in the U.S.), but I have been going there every summer of my life and I saw(and spoke to people) the euro/Greece crisis coming way before ZH or anyone else, including Reggie Middleton. I've been to Spain, France, Switzerland, Belgium, China, Japan, South Korea. Ron Paul's ideas would lead to a lawless society where lunatics roam free....he calls it liberty.
That, sir, is both an ad hominem attack and a strawman argument if I have ever heard one.
The fact is that we currently live RIGHT NOW in a "lawless society" --- at least for the predators at the top of the financial food chain, who are both raping AND crashing this economy with impunity (MF Global, anyone?). Ron Paul would directly attack that, and them --- which is why they are attacking HIM with the most vile slurs, slanders and lies in their lapdog corporate media.
It is sad to see people like you run off into hysterics when confronted with the hypocrisies and logical contradictions inherent in the statist, neoimperialist, offense-driven, fear-fueled abomination of a foreign policy that the USA currently engages in. Its defenders MUST, in fact, resort to canards, red herrings and diversion when trying to defend it, as it is both logically and morally indefensible. To run around the world claiming "national interests" EVERYWHERE and then invading nations on spurious charges to inject our military occupation forces into them at the cost of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, all for the benefit of certain well-connected war contractors and the twisted, financially ruinous, imperialistic wet dreams of a small sociopathic cabal is perversion, and evil, of the very highest order.
Wuzzup dude. If he does win I'm going to need about a million DVRs & video cameras because it's gonna be the wild fucking west with him v the establishment in the Ex Branch, v Congress I can't even imagine & all the rest. It'd be the craziest thing since the Spanish Inquisition. I'm down though if everybody else is.
Even if one does not fully support all of Ron Paul's policy positions, it WOULD totally be fucking worth it to vote for him just to see RP throw a monkey wrench into the status-quo Establishment's manifold machinations, wouldn't it?
Its l o spam btw, this is a backup acct to keep some tool from trolling me..
Fuckin A. He'd need a Popemobile 24/7 and private security, if I were him the first thing I'd do was disband the Secret Service, that'd be a good thing anyway. The thing that worries me most is changing course this violently without doing a Glass-Steagall type thing first or at least breaking up the banks, Walmart & Monsanto. Those are like big problems if he wins.
Man you people are shit scared of personal freedom aren't you?. The policeman will save me, the fireman will save me, the paramedic will save me.... grow some balls dude. Just because there is no policeman does not mean everybody will resort to criminal behaviour... if they do what is the point of the whole exercise? Civilization is civilians being civil by choice not by force.
No policeman has ever bothered me, nor will they, cause I don't bother anyone. Stop being in a state of panic about everything. Nobody forces me to be civil, but if some other jackass doesn't want to be then the police can handle it. Your pie-in-the-sky philosophy about how civilization should be is as idiotic as the liberals in this country who believe that social economic justice can be achieved by redistributing wealth.
Well that tends to happen when you hide in your parents basement 24/7. Ifr you haven't been harassed by cops like ever you're doing something very wrong. Fuck the Pigs especially the ones that think a radar gun is a cash register. Its not my goddamn fault they can't afford a car near as nice as mine that will safely go well over 100 MPH. Fuck em.
Google newsing "Ron Paul" has turned into a pastime of sort. Been doing it daily for the several weeks now. The articles went from about 75% positive to over 90% negative after the first PPP poll was released.
The abruptness of the switch is simultaneously discouraging and infuriating.
Stay positive. Most Ron Paul supporters are smart enough to see through the fog. We all knew once he started gaining ground that the smear campaign would start. Let the MSM keep digging their hole depper and depper. Their old school tactics no longer work instead its backfiring as people are not listening to the stinch coming out their mouths anymore. We are awake.
Not a suprise. EVERYONE KNOWS GOOGLE IS A LIAR.
I'm surprised all of you Ron Paul supporters aren't noting the TAX RETURNS Mitt Romney refuses to reveal. It's how they brought Al Capone down ... Seriuosly. While the media plays up "people would be discouraged by his immense wealth" (LOL) the gut feeling about the secrecy of these items causes this poster to believe Mitt Romney made a huge chunk of dough shorting America. Where's Assange and Wikileaks when you need him? While it's noble to show the love for Paul, winning an election takes many angles -- and anyone who can shed light on Mitt Romney profiting handsomely by shorting the USA again and again and again ... ...betting against America ... might at least help any other other candidate to prevail than Shredder Mitt Robot being shoved up our collective azzes.
C'mon Tyler, RP doesn't stand a chance and you know it. He's Ross Perot all over again and the only real impact he will have is to dilute the vote and help Obama get reelected. He's better suited for office in a monetary policy role.. doesn't have a clue about foreign affairs. Obama will eat his lunch and if he were lucky enough to get elected then Putin et al would have him as their bitch.
He's a lightweight. Get behind someone who has a real chance.
Defeatist.
We all know ROSS PEROT WORKED FOR THE CLINTONS.
We all know RON PAUL does NOT work for the Bamas.
Pretty soon every comment section on the internet will be filled with post like this. The hippies over at Media Matters are about to get approved for some serious overtime. Troll away bitches. Tell your boss Emporer Soros I said suck a nut.
I don't think Putin et al would make RP their bitch. I mean Obama is their bitch now and we all know once you go half black you never go back
The people want Ron Paul, and the corporations want Mitt Romney. Time will tell who wins.
Read;
http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Wealth-Mr-Andrew-Costello/dp/1463523017/ref
Corporations are people my friend...oh good lord:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c
And don't mess with Lucy at the Chocolate factory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2JuAXRFz88
What a goof.
So that means RON PAUL is probably AHEAD BY 20% and the CROOKS can't figure out how to rig an election that's NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
Fingers crossed for January 3rd. I will donate again for whatever money bomb they announce for that win. I am hoping a win will really spur support to his campaign.
Ah, hope. Worked in '08.
Sometimes I wonder why I come here to see what you wrote daily. You are about as full of shit as Faux News. Ron Paul will win Iowa on the 3rd by a landslide over 48% and New Hampshire by at least 62%. Zero Hedge you should have learned about the Faux Polls a long time ago. The worst of all the news networks was MSNBC today. They were outrageous. You are fair and unbalanced. Loosing your credibility as every day goes by.
oy vey, can 850 Jewish Rabbi's be wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SVppk7yfDmM
Question 6: "Which Republican candidate is most likely to agree with you on the issues that matter most to you?" Ron Paul is leading on on what really matters, substance.
Great video. Totally destroys the racist smear. CNN should play this twice a day everyday instead of attacking Ron each time he agrees to be on their program.
I love how, conveniently, our manipulators-in-charge are making Iran's swords rattle in part to make absolutely sure the Good Doctor's hopes are squashed. Not that they need RP as a reason.
No it's just more propaganda to justify ignoring or discounting him.
Why would anyone in America vote for Romney or the Grinch? They are nothing but more of the same swindlers and liars we have been dealing with for 3 decades. People get the word out and support Ron Paul! We need to put the brakes on Washington and get Obama out of here fast before they pawn the entire US to China.
Romney is a chickenhawk! Thinks she can lead this country but neither her nor her sons had the balls to SERVE this country. Also she is pure evil.