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Collapse In French Bonds Implies EURUSD Now Rich By About 1300 Pips

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Below we refresh the very simple correlation chart showing the EURUSD and the spread between French OATs and German Bunds, a spread which has soared to all time wides now that France is once again the target of vigilantes on fears of an imminent French downgrade. According to this alone, the EURUSD us now about 1300 pips rich, an ES-implied level of just about 1,000. We expect reality to rear its ugly head very soon.

 

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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:01 | 1784864 MFL8240
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And Gold getting creamed.  Anyone ponder a guess when these criminals will end the games and let the markest seek their own level?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:04 | 1784883 Mike2756
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No, deflation. Breakaway gaps in the metals and mining stocks.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:31 | 1784998 Sudden Debt
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deflation in what sector? core inflation in europe is at 5%!

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:34 | 1785017 disabledvet
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in the value of your property and whatever you else you call collateral.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 12:06 | 1785524 Ghordius
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"According to this alone, the EURUSD us now about 1300 pips rich, an ES-implied level of just about 1,000."

mhhhh... rich!

Of course everybody talks his book and this is clearly stated in the disclaimer and of course Tyler is talking down the EURUSD to lower levels (IMO it's USD strenght). Might be, might be.

But ES-implied levels? Come on, pull the other one! LOL

This is the kind of my-datamining-helmet-might-not-fit-my-head-but-my-model-does BS which might impress some MegaBanks executives.

What are you feeding the models? Commercial data? When was the last sovereign debt crisis of this kind? We are talking of bets where the involved sovereigns can find 50 ways to spoil them before dinner, excluding Trichet buying for 30 minutes. ES France? This year? A still-first-tier-economy with that kind of history of changing laws? Correlation of ES and non-national currency?

Come on, Tyler, it's exactly this kind of thinking that got the MegaBanks into trouble. It's Master Of The Universe and hist trusty equations talk. Leave it to the Squid.

I hope your trade works - it would definitely open some eyes which have been closed quite long. All the best.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:07 | 1784898 DormRoom
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Commodity bubble about to collapse?

 

The top U.S. derivatives regulator is slated to vote today whether to curb trading in oil, wheat, gold and other commodities after a boom in raw-materials speculation, record-high prices and years of debate and delay.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-18/commodity-speculators-may-face-...

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:10 | 1784908 Mike2756
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Couldn't come at the worst possible time, ;).

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:14 | 1784919 kito
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i got out of gold the during the last slaughter. gold will not hold up when this all blows. we are going to have a deflationary tsunami. everything except the dollar will be obliterated. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:17 | 1784934 tmosley
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Tell that to the holders of the Yuan Dynasty's "flying money".

Their third fiat collapse signalled the end of their hegemony.  This is our third fiat collapse too, for comparison's sake.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:18 | 1784937 Mike2756
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Yeah but, not quite yet.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:39 | 1785046 Sudden Debt
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he's talking about paper gold and I also believe that is going to get a severe hit.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:20 | 1784948 Milton William ...
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And then how the the US Government pay that debt off? Gotta think more than one move ahead, guy

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:26 | 1784976 agent default
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The US cannot handle deflationary pressures in the present situation.  At the slightest hint of deflation watch out for Ben and his helicopter.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:48 | 1785097 DeadFred
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I agree but I worry about the time lag between when the deflation hits untils they realize it's here until the helicopter gets its engine warmed up enough to fly. If you hold physical you can snore through that time, if paper you can be vaporized.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 11:01 | 1785127 agent default
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There shouldn't be much lag actually, Bernanke is paranoid about deflation and will probably jump the gun, on mere suspicion of deflation.  As far as paper silver is concerned, there are several ETFs which hold fully allocated silver, such as  Sprott and ZKB.  either that or go buy the bars and keep them yourself. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:17 | 1784933 Cynical Sidney
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bart chilton came out against his colleagues in suggesting that lobbyists and banksters are manipulating legislative efforts to undermine dodd-frank

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/95818/dodd-frank-lobbying-cftc

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:11 | 1784912 agent default
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Dollar strength is probably the signal the FED is waiting for to officially launch QE3.  This is far from over.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:15 | 1784926 tmosley
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Never.  They will maintain their death grip on the paper markets until they implode.  

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:01 | 1784865 Mike2756
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Bound to happen eventually.

http://youtu.be/qz3TcxTblyg

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:02 | 1784866 achmachat
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isn't this Mr Parity calling?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:03 | 1784874 Stoploss
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Holy fuck, put your crash helmets on. When that sombicth slams shut it will be quick.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:07 | 1784897 101 years and c...
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1.32 on the EUR was 1075 S&P.  600 pips on EUR was good for 150 S&P points.  drop EUR 1300 pips and S&P could lose 300.  S&P 900 anyone????

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:23 | 1784958 Jeff Lebowski
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Fixed it for you.

..."S&P could lose 900.  S&P 300 anyone????"

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:04 | 1784879 Linus2011
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SARKO-PHAG

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:04 | 1784880 Irish66
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vigilantes is such a harsh term, I'm very nice

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:04 | 1784882 KevinH
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Anyone care to pull up this chart further out in time, say 6 month to 2 years? Trading on a 2 week correlation seems a little iffy. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:43 | 1785065 Money 4 Nothing
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Refreshing Kevin, your an optimist! Uugg, 6months? 2 years? wow! Did you just open a retirement account recently? Just jokin, I can't see that far down the rabbit hole right now.

 

III

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:05 | 1784886 RobotTrader
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Gold bulls better start praying for a massive rally in financials and Dow 15,000 by the end of the year.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:15 | 1784928 lieutenantjohnchard
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given all the gold. gold stocks and silver you say you have are you on your knees praying? didn't think so.

btw, i guess your dow 15,000 / gold $2000 formula is back in play after you rescinded it earlier this year.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:32 | 1785004 agent default
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Pay some detailed attention to the entire intraday action of gold and silver.  They are up when Asia is open and start trending downwards when London and NY open.  It is the western markets that are liquidating, probably trying to raise cash, and the Asian markets buying.  If this trend keeps up, Asia will have sucked up PMs on the cheap from the west, and then the shit will start to hit the fan for real.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:37 | 1785033 disabledvet
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when this tide goes out we're gonna discover some people never had clothes to begin with. (the other ones prefer swimming naked of course and will not be embarrassed by it.)

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:06 | 1784893 Dick Darlington
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Mind the gap!

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:08 | 1784903 ZeroPower
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95bp FRA/GER 10yr spread yesterday, and over 110bp today. Lol.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:09 | 1784906 Belarus
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13%? I guess the banks and the dominoes begin to fall next week in Europe, which aligns with what I'm thinking. Went short Europe today. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:17 | 1784935 Trad3er_1337
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Future threat of deflation + spiking dollar not good for gold or silver... espescially with high inflation keepin uncle ben off the printing press... atleast for a little while

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:20 | 1784947 Peter K
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Big Panda still doesn't have enough of those superlicious Euros:)

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:22 | 1784952 ceilidh_trail
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Waiting for Godot. Got out of oil last week. Riding the range...TZA anyone?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:23 | 1784960 SixFeetFromTheHedge
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What exactly is the relevance of the BGN (Bulgarian Leva) in this chart?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:23 | 1784962 PaperBugsBurn
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This is the Tylers' #1 speculation. Iow, talking their book again.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:28 | 1784985 FL_Conservative
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During the last run went mega-short on the Euro (EUO), Russell 2000 (TWM) and the S&P 500 (SPXU).  Looks like Christmas comes early this year.  Also, quit fretting the PM correction, since it just affords a better buying opportunity. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 10:43 | 1785066 Ivanovich
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Would love to see this chart with a bit longer timeframe to confirm the correlation.  Otherwise, who is to say which part is the anomoly?

 

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 11:01 | 1785162 DeadFred
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What time of day do the rating agencies announce their downgrades on Europe? Is it always after US close? I'm just wondering because that drop looks a lot like front running and the ratings agencies are pretty bad at keeping secrets.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 11:34 | 1785411 bernorange
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Would a French downgrade essentially precipitate the end of German support for bailing out the weak sisters of the EMU?  A death to the Euro?

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 12:55 | 1785745 Pete15
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The FED was only a few votes away from an offcial QE3 not so long ago, if there is another crash the public will beg for another QE, of course deflation is lurking around the corner its the nature of this beast but our chairmen will do whatever it takes to combat deflation as this has been pointed out time and time again 

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