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Sat, 12/10/2011 - 17:39 | 1966636 Newsboy
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Promises, promises, promises...

Where does it all end?

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 17:49 | 1966658 falak pema
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the profits in the Oligarch's pocket, the losses on the country BS. 

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 20:30 | 1966776 sqz
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Pretty charts, but:

0. IMF does not buy sovereign debt. It makes loans to sovereigns and with highest seniority. This idea has also been completely squelched by ECB head Draghi's most recent conference stating EZ NCB's will not be involved (think about it: it deliberately bypasses ECB's monetary system and European treaty).

1. Europe's collateral crunch is a lot larger than just sovereign debt. Moving this little bit around different balance sheets would change nothing. In fact, they risk undermining the currency directly (I do not mean mere devaluation).

2. Europe's crises are more than just a collateral crunch. Entire funding markets have dried up, most importantly unsecured lending. This is why there was a switch to collateralised lending in the first place and this is why intermediaries are facing the ECB and their NCBs (ELA etc).

3. It is even worse than above. Due to the total funding requirement in the EZ, it barely matters how much the ECB changes their eligible collateral requirement (which are already the widest of the majors), all the collateral that could be used to secure liquidity has been already.

4. This is a trust and confidence led crisis. That is, we are well past the point where these issues can be fixed by monetary solutions. The core problem are the EZ institutions and the fiscal plus structural policies that underpin the Euro currency.

5. There is plenty of liquidity available already both inside the banks (e.g. ECB deposits) and outside, though not enough once bad and encumbered collateral is taken into account in the banks, i.e. bank recaps are required too. The fact is that few are in interested in taking the risk of putting it directly to work within the Eurozone financial system which is causing the problem. This includes foreign funding, such as in USD.

In short, the core problems of the Eurozone are fiscal (banks, sovereign backstops) and structural (ECB, treaties). You cannot bailout such problems from outside the Eurozone. It would be as ridiculous as the world coming together to bailout the US during its subprime crisis. There are some problems that must be solved alone because they strike at the very heart of your existence and future.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:24 | 1967028 economics1996
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So what has happened since 1971 as we prepare to march over the fiscal cliff of financial insolvency?

Since the complete transfer from a fiat currency the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) has increased 1,262% and the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 1,233% using “nominal” numbers or numbers not adjusted for inflation. More or less in lock step as one would expect.

Total credit market debt owned has increased 2,902%, outstripping GDP growth by a factor of 2.35.
The Federal Reserve monetary base, (coins, paper money, and commercial banks’ reserves with the central bank) has increased 3,658%, outstripping GDP growth by a factor of 2.97.

The third central bank of the US will end its reign soon mired in inflation, corruption, and scandal

Gold, the traditional source of real monetary value, has increased 4,177%, outstripping GDP growth by a factor of 3.39.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:34 | 1967043 economics1996
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Translation the haircut needs to be 43 cents on the dollar.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:38 | 1967049 economics1996
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For the USA.  I don't know shit about Europe.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:21 | 1967099 tom a taxpayer
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sqz - You hit the nail on the head. Truer words were never spoken:

"This is a trust and confidence led crisis. That is, we are well past the point where these issues can be fixed by monetary solutions. The core problem are the EZ institutions and the fiscal plus structural policies that underpin the Euro currency."

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 00:07 | 1967147 malek
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Aren't you confusing the trigger (lack of trust and confidence) with the cause (too much debt)?

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 15:42 | 1968016 AldoHux_IV
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I would say it's more of a crisis led by inherent design flaws of a monetary regime aided by incentives to over leverage thus making the system even more vulnerable to real life stresses (i.e. difference in fiscal regimes), thus it's a crisis of reality-- one where the flawed nature of the current monetary system is coming into question because it doesn't work when there are no proper checks and balances and only political career risk being the main driver behind decisions.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 17:18 | 1968243 FinHits
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This is good for debtor nations: Germany,  Netherlands, Luxembourg, and Finland. According to FT Alphaville, their central banks have TARGET2 balances of €65 billion, €89 billion, €85 billion and €33 billion, respectively, for a total of €672 billion owed to the rest of the Eurozone central banks, including France (!).

If they can shift €200 billion to IMF, that is a much safer trade than keeping it within TARGET2.


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 23:31 | 1968977 sitenine
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4. This is a trust and confidence led crisis. That is, we are well past the point where these issues can be fixed by monetary solutions. The core problem are the EZ institutions and the fiscal plus structural policies that underpin the Euro currency.

With all due respect, and as great as that sounds, no.  This is a ponzi, fraud, and theft led crisis.  Get your head out of Buffett's ass please.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:16 | 1966800 MolotovCockhead
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Yeah right. Let me eat your lunch first and I promise that I will let you eat my children's lunch, okay? How does that sound? Not very convincing eh?

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:13 | 1967016 Dre4dwolf
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It ends soon, I promise.


Sun, 12/11/2011 - 02:12 | 1967248 LouisDega
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Then what?

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 13:25 | 1967651 TruthHunter
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"It ends soon, I promise."

IT starts soon, promise or no promise...

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:28 | 1967033 ISEEIT
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With you, with me.

Small is the opposite of large.

Large = bad.

Get real.

Ron Paul.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 12:25 | 1967505 johnu78
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It's going to end soon. That much is for sure!



Sat, 12/10/2011 - 17:43 | 1966644 riley martini
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 Jim Sinclair is calling for $4500 gold . I didn't see a time line though , before the euro implodes .

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:04 | 1966678 Global Hunter
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Who's Jim Sinclair?  Tell him I call $100 gold, mind you a dollar when gold hits that level will be enough to feed a family of 8 for a week.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:26 | 1966721 NuYawkFrankie
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Wasnt he a wide-receiver for the Green Bay Packers back in the '85=86 season?


Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:34 | 1966733 DosZap
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Global Hunter

Who's Jim Sinclair?

No one special, I think he's cousins with Cramer./sarc

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:15 | 1966798 fonestar
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Your dollar and its attendant cult is going to hell.  I will wipe my ass with it and then you can eat that for a week.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:22 | 1966808 MolotovCockhead
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I will wipe my ass with it


Friendly advice to you. Do not use dollar bill as toilet paper!! Again, not with dollar bill. The reason? It's not water absorbent...you only mess yourself up, yack! Worthless fiat make high quality wall paper though

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 00:38 | 1967180 malek
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That is too stupid for a snarky reponse...

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:20 | 1966958 jbc77
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I suspect when the Euro collapse gold will plunge in the first days of the carnage. Obviously this will be the time to pounce depending how easy it is to procure physical. Could be one of those everything that isn't nailed down gets sold scenario. Or shit will get sold to satisy margin. At any rate hopefully some bargains will be found....

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 03:34 | 1967295 FlyPaper
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+1     Liquidity requirements will unwind the paper "gold" market at the point where the dominoes kick over.   If you have the ability to hold the gold, it'll go back up with the Bernanke express starts to print.

The question is: how far will the paper value of Gold fall before Central banks and other buyers step in and buy? 

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 17:46 | 1966650 dcb
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When you st5art to understand this, you start to understand that to have the debt destruction you need to make the ystem safer, you need to have deflation. The insqane focus on deflation being the root of all evil makes them unable to fix teh system. In theory you could print so much money that much of tyeh debt becomes real money, and then make sure they don't leverage up again. But I don't know how to do this. Please note, you also must add the minsky monent to your understanding of the problem, and incomes that can't support debt. the system is really designed to fail

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 17:48 | 1966654 Seasmoke
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they refuse to deflate.....thus it will be a great collapse

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 17:54 | 1966665 pineyard
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Come on ,,, STOP this fake pseudointellectual MUMBO JUMBO                                                               I dont have time to get pulled around by some fancy emperors Clothes                                              and it doesnt impress me either                                                                                                                                                   I believe in SIMPLE THINGS                                                                                                                                                                                                if IF money cannot be explained as that ...  its FAKE and not worth wasting time on

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 17:58 | 1966672 Global Hunter
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I'm fascinated by just how fake it is and how deep it goes

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:05 | 1966679 bugs_
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It is so deep and so fake that even cynics have a challenge getting their heads around it.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:20 | 1966707 Global Hunter
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children, the insane, most drug addicts and only a select few normal able bodied adults are able to understand

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:26 | 1966720 Nate H
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its not 'fake', its just disconnected from the productive capacity it was once supposed to track.  and marginal cost of energy now permanently (until things crack of course) going up -so productive capacity going down while debt going up - not good trends.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:47 | 1967128 tarsubil
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Bills of legal tender not backed by precious metals are like radiators without coolant. There is nothing getting in the way of a meltdown.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:01 | 1966674 Atomizer
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Chalkboard to eraser to hide devriatives BITCHEZES

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:09 | 1966684 Hedge Fund of One
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Sorry, but the accountant in me had to speak up: On the chalkboard, when the assets are transferred to IMF from the NCB, they should be drawn in the Assets side of the IMF not the Liabilities side of IMF. Correspondingly, with the assets transferred from NCB, Liabilities should be created on the NCB balance sheet to show that it would owe that amount to IMF. The Assets on the IMF balance sheet would be Liabilities of the NCB. Supposedly, the IMF would be funded by contributing entities, which would create Liabilities on the balance sheet of the IMF for the amounts owed to those contributors (the U.S. Fed?). And where would those contributors get the money? Create it from thin air?


Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:16 | 1966696 Global Hunter
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sorry but the accountant in you is hurting my head, I really am walking around and living surrounded by absolute insanity

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:54 | 1966763 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The accountant in Hedge Fund of One speaks of archaic accountancy terms and practices from a bygone era of non-fictional accounting, when books had to balance and book entries were tied to reality.

Back then, what he speaks of would have mattered. However, modern accounting has made things much easier; you simply start with the results you want, and then work your way backwards, creating book entries which flow from the bottom line. Just think of it as creative writing, but with numbers instead of words.


Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:00 | 1966771 DormRoom
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when 1:1 (double entry) relationships mutate into 1:M (rehypothecation entry) relationships you have a situation for a clusterfuck.


the great reset cometh.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:10 | 1966791 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's not just a clusterfuck. It's a global, daisychained clusterfuck. Further, rehypothecation means that each participant in said clusterfuck has multiple penises and dozens of cloacal orifices.


Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:31 | 1966816 whoopsing
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So, that'a a multi-cloacal rehypothecated cluster-fuck. Captain, we are doomed

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 15:40 | 1968014 ViewfromUnderth...
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the new technology that has driven all this? ...Spreadsheets.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 07:48 | 1967328 Hedge Fund of One
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That's why I started with "Sorry ..." I knew it would probably hurt. Great responses from all. lol

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 18:24 | 1966712 A Man without Q...
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"And where would those contributors get the money? Create it from thin air?"

- yes, which is why this whole argument about costing the taxpayers is BS...


Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:03 | 1966780 Pool Shark
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And what happens to the value of the taxpayer's dollar every time new ones are created from thin air?

Exactly; it costs the taxpayer via theft through inflation...


Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:42 | 1966987 breezer1
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Think of all the fixed income people that you know who will be affected by this ' inflation' theft.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:43 | 1966988 earleflorida
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they used to be incinerated, now their just electronicfied to bits  

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:57 | 1967003 Reese Bobby
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I'm no accountant but you are wrong.  The ECB is not on the blackboard but "Eurosystem Lending" is an ECB liability that becomes an IMF liability in this exercise.  The Banks "sovereign debt" assets are transferred as an asset to the IMF in return, and the other book entries are eliminated.  Again, I am not an accountant.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:31 | 1967037 economics1996
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Somebody was paying attention in class.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 10:56 | 1967447 RiverRoad
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Exactly.  Created from thin air and the old (off the books) foreign aid shell game.  Liabilities?  These guys  still owe us money from WW2 war debts!!

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