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Commodities Crumble As Stocks Ignore Treasury Selling

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While most of the talk will be about the drop in precious metals today, the sell-off in Treasuries is of a much larger relative magnitude and yet equities broadly ignored this re-risking 'signal'. At almost 2.5 standard deviations, today's 10Y rate jump (closing it above the 200DMA for the first time in eight months) trumps the 1.3 standard deviation drop in Gold prices - taking prices back to mid-January levels. According to our data (h/t JL) for only the 14th time in the last five years (and not seen for 16 months) Treasury yields rose significantly and stocks fell as the broad gains in yesterday's financials (on the JPM rip) were held on to at the ETF level but not for Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, or Citigroup (who gave all the knee-jerk reaction back). Tech led the way as AAPL surged once again (though faltered a few times intraday) having now completed back-to-back unfilled gap-up-openings. Credit and equity were generally in sync until mid afternoon when the up-in-quality rotation took over and stocks and high-yield sold off (notably HYG - the high-yield bond ETF underperformed all day long) while investment grade credit rallied to multi-month tights. VIX bounced higher (notably more than the S&P would have implied) recovering to Monday's closing levels and back above 15%. The Treasury sell-off was 'balanced' in terms of risk-on/-off by the strength in the USD (and modest weakness in FX carry pairs as JPY's weakness was largely in sync with the rest of the majors - hinting its was a USD story). Oil and Copper both lost ground (as did Silver - the most on the day) though they tracked more in line with USD strength than the PMs.

Post the JPM News yesterday, it appears that BofA seems the most loved (?) - up almost 9%, Amex and JPM are equally loved at around +5.5% but GS, MS, and C are all down 0.25-1.0% from pre-JPM news having lost notably from last night's close...

 

Towards the latter part of the afternoon, there was the start of a modest risk-off sentiment as ES (the e-mini S&P future) couldn't get back up to VWAP and drifted lower along with high-yield credit as it appears the 'safety' trade is re-appearing for now as up-in-quality rotation into investment grade was clear...

 

 

The 10Y broke above key technical levels and while we are uncertain given the corporate supply calendar ahead, this was a dramatic absolute and relative shock to most traders...

 

The last two days have seen a rise in 10Y yields the likes of which we haven't seen in five months and the second largest in 16 months. In the last six months alone we have seen nine similar magnitude (percentage)drops in spot gold...

...but it was much more fun to talk about the huge USD-based drop in Gold today - as opposed to the relative change - but it is clear that Gold found some support back at pre-NFP levels from mid-January and Silver eventually gave way too and fell back to similar period levels...

 

 

 

FX markets were a one way street in general today with USD buying relatively similar across all the majors (in a mildly risk-off manner given JPY crosses)...

 

 

To put these divergences in CONTEXT, we can see from the lower chart that a) upper left shows the late-day recovery in HYG (and drop in VXX) that juiced relative risk model compared to the slow drop in SPY, b) the three charts on the right hand side shows the total disconnect between empirical correlation-driven risk models and today's price action as Treasuries (and 2s10s30s) dislocated, and c) lower left shows that VIX limped quietly up to what is more of a fair-value given the current levels of equities and credit.

Whatever the reason for the disconnect - QE unwinds or individual market technicals (flows) - it is unusual to see this kind of break-down which makes us think the picture is much less rosy than the S&P 1400ish headlines would suggest and the late-day rotation into IG credit also suggests less risk-appetite than the herd would like.

Charts: Bloomberg and Capital Context

 

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Wed, 03/14/2012 - 16:52 | 2255742 Motorhead
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Charts, bitchez!

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:04 | 2255800 FlyoverCountryS...
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Who needs commodities whan AAPL id $700???

BANDWAGON, BABY!

(Just don't be the last one off the carousel when the ride stops)

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:08 | 2255814 mayhem_korner
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Well, a long time ago the apple was a commodity...

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:18 | 2255846 Sudden Debt
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And a bit longer ago, apples where used to test and prove gravity

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:59 | 2256137 Stanwick
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Priced in Apple, gold is ripping.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 09:48 | 2257459 fnord88
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and a few years before that, a slut ate an apple and fucked all of us

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 19:02 | 2256140 markmotive
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GDX got hammered worse than gold. Meanwhile these gold miners can dig up an ounce for $400...what gives?

 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 19:16 | 2256206 GovtMediaLiars
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Unfortunately, that seems to be the pattern these last few years and more. The miners aren't my thing but many gold bulls have been saying for years that the miners should break out and outperform any time now. And it just keeps failing to materialize. I hope you got you some of the underlying stashed away too. The thesis makes perfect sense to me but I'm no expert in the area and I feel I'm missing something and that there is a reasonable explanation for the marked underperformance of the miners.

Todays Index Charts and Summary

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 07:25 | 2261179 MeelionDollerBogus
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probably can't find the gold. The cost is $400 for those who have it. For the miners that don't have enough & are still exploring, or hunting for juniors that explore, this costly exercise means it's not really 400 & markets probably want more than what's for delivery.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 20:45 | 2256386 WmMcK
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Adam's apple

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 21:10 | 2256423 A Nanny Moose
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..and before that snakes in trees offered humans "free" apples.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:04 | 2255801 Mark Carney
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Id like to see a chart comparing the DJIA to the TSX.  If you go back, the TSX always had aywhere from 200-800pts up on the DJIA.  Now the DJIA has ballooned past the TSX b8 800pts.

 

 

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 07:26 | 2261149 MeelionDollerBogus
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http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU&p=D&yr=3&mn=0&dy=0&id=p15787597033

if you go to freestockcharts.com and download the CSV data you can generate a scatterplot. I haven't yet but what I imagine I'd see: DOW plotted x-axis, TSX plotted y-axis, log-scale for both axes, a line slope 0.835 ... 2010 Aug this would increase for a while in slope, 2011 May would return to 0.835, 2011 sep looks like slope = 0.376

Conclusion: cdn-dollar up-valuation vs usd hurts the TSX in such a comparison & USD devaluation vs everything else makes the Dow look better in dollars

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:08 | 2255811 MillionDollarBonus_
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After recent price action, it has become evident that the stock rally is purely due to growth and not the alleged “inflation” that we hear so commonly from doomers, ‘preppers’ and other anti-government groups. Following two fantastic NFP results and a superb bank stress test, stocks have been holding up nicely, despite a sell-off in commodities and treasuries.

 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:11 | 2255819 mayhem_korner
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the stock rally is purely due to growth

 

MDB...please specify whether you mean growth in M2 or M3.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:16 | 2255994 chump666
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You nut.  Your money though...

When the commodity complex collapses you short the world.  See USTs, thats China messing around with interest rates.  USD buys out of China, major USD/CNY spike.  You get the picture.  China is panicking and The Fed is irrelevant now. Obama credit boom may blow up mid yr. The stock melt-up was purely a JPM Chase play and Apple.  Banks rally while industrial commodities sink? That is a major disconnect in the markets.  I wouldn't buy into that.

Even with the FED increases money supply buys debt prints or whatever.  Rates are going up.

And we are going down...hard.  Take it.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:58 | 2256129 Whoa Black Barry
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bitchin post mdb youz doin my work boy

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 20:13 | 2256327 bonderøven-farm ass
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+1 for avatar

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 22:10 | 2256548 q99x2
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U R an IDIOT.

It is the lack of a Government that serves instead of preys upon its citizens that is causing massive rebellion. The thing you are refering to as Government is not government it is an invading force of evil backed by stupid parasitic bankers.

and MORON.

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 06:42 | 2261155 MeelionDollerBogus
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this corporate-governance is typically what we call "fascism".

Actually it's "factually" what we call it but not "typical" anymore.

Some blurring of socialism, fascism & capitalism has been forced on the young so that they grow up brain-washed.

I like to point those people to this video to clear it up. Too many fools refer to today's problems as "capitalism" and to tomorrow's solutions in "socialism" while actually ignoring today's problems in fact, and seeking to enshrine them in tomorrow's solution (from fascism-A to fascism-B)

Fri, 03/16/2012 - 06:38 | 2261150 MeelionDollerBogus
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"Following two fantastic NFP results and a superb bank stress test, stocks have been holding up nicely, despite a sell-off in commodities and treasuries."

Oh really? You mean all the mark-to-fantasy fraud on the balance sheets? Or all the stealing of customer funds & assets?

Most of us don't call that "growth". Most of us call that "crime"

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 16:53 | 2255746 SHEEPFUKKER
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Tiny bubbles.......Treasury bubbles that is. 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 16:53 | 2255747 mayhem_korner
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Standard deviations are for normal distributions.  Nothing normal going on here...

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:12 | 2255826 tekhneek
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"With gold and silver still consolidating..."

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:28 | 2255869 YC2
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If you believe in them, techs seem to look like we are breaking neckline of a H&S in silver

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 16:55 | 2255754 Clockwork Orange
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Nothing trumps the ChairSatan's daily ramping of Apple, and the indices along with it.

All else, easily hidden.

4% more on the top today.  Cha-chingity-choo.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 20:42 | 2256379 WmMcK
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Chim-chim-charee or is it chitty-chitty-bang-bang?

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 16:55 | 2255756 Jim in MN
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OT (nice charts BTW) but holy freakin' Jesus

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_20108641/rocketdyne-radiation-is-still-...

Rocketdyne radiation is still abundant

 

By Susan Abram, Staff Writer  Posted:   03/05/2012 07:49:52 PM PST Updated:   03/05/2012 07:51:34 PM PST

 

 

 

Some levels of radioactive chemicals found on a portion of the Santa Susana Field Laboratory site were as much as 1,000 times higher than standards, according to federal data released on Monday.

Acting as an independent monitor, officials with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency conducted radiological surveys on a portion of the land known as Area IV, where a partial meltdown of a nuclear reactor occurred in 1959.

That portion is currently overseen by the Department of Energy.

The results of the radiological survey show that of the 437 samples collected, 75 exceeded standards agreed upon by the DOE and the California Department of Toxic Substances Control in a cleanup agreement signed in December 2010.

Seven radioactive isotopes, including one known as cesium-137, measured at levels between 100 to 1,000 times higher than the standards. Other radionuclides that suggest nuclear presence include strontium-90, tritium, plutonium, and carbon-14.

The recent data is significant to residents, activists and public officials who have fought for years for the removal of radiation and chemical contaminants at the former Rocketdyne site, which is nestled in the hills between Chatsworth and Simi Valley and was purchased by the Boeing Co. in 1996.

The numbers provides hard evidence that not only do the radioactive materials exist, but that the levels are higher than expected.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 16:57 | 2255767 Clockwork Orange
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I am starting to think Prechter's call for Dow 700 could actually happen - the day Bernanke shuts off the spigot (ha!) the rush for the exits could make the flash crash look like leakage.

 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 16:58 | 2255773 ZeroPower
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Haven't noticed your VIX indicator till just now. Can you discuss what relation your vix model has to the cash vix and futures? It's related to the whole curve, or only your own indicators? With a cash around 15 and front month future still hitting 17 today, definitely looking for some convergence over the next week... Further out months even higher.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:02 | 2255791 VanceEva1
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Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:36 | 2255891 viahj
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Wed, 03/14/2012 - 19:49 | 2256278 DosZap
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VanceEva1

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Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:04 | 2255794 geewhiz190
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unpopular post coming: chart on US dollar looks like a big base with a fairly large upmove coming.  chart on GLD looks like it's forming a huge top.  can't offer any explanations, but that's how they look.  Different subject- AAPL chart seems to be in blow-off phase. how high is high? In 1989 when Nippon Tel and Tel went public, its market cap was greater than the entire west German stock market.  that was at Nikkei Dow 39,000. AAPL bigger than the entire S&P retail sector? seems like a stretch.  How much growth must AAPL produce from this day forward to double it's market cap again?  is it possible, maybe, but pretty unlikely. so what is the potential return for the new buyers at this level? something to think about.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:00 | 2255946 Yardfarmer
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here's a great analysis of all that. http://www.goldscents.blogspot.com/ time to hunker down, "roll a rock over your hole and take a long walk" Seligman Jr. 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:07 | 2255808 bobola
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Interesting that Bernanke's starting to communicate via Twitter now.

That's a big red flag warning.  

The more he communicates using various media you can take that as a sure sign that all is not well.

What's next, Facebook..??

 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:23 | 2255858 SHEEPFUKKER
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Dude is a magician!! He can tweet and print at the same time. 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:39 | 2255906 viahj
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well, since it seems that Tyler's tweets of possible margin changes moves the market, BB will do the same.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 20:59 | 2256410 lotsoffun
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sure.  how vulgar can it get.  the official uncle ben facebook fed page.  really - that's disgusting.  but - ben and goldman are pals - and they get the ipo.  so why not?

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:07 | 2255809 pleseus
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Higher 10 year means higher mortgage rates. Maybe Bill Gross was right on his mortgage bet for QE3 after Operation Twist ends. All we need is a higher dollar and higher interest rates and QE3 seems more and more likely.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:15 | 2255841 Voltaire
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That's exactly what I'm thinking. Prepare for QE in june. What I'm a bit puzzled about though is that the stock market keeps rallying at this stage. S&P should go back to at least 1300-1325

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 20:31 | 2256352 pleseus
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The financial euphoria in the equity markets is propelled by HFT machines.  Look at volumes.  They are terrible.  There is no belief by the masses that we are heading to some new golden age of growth.  Something will give sooner rather than later.  If there is no Fed juice after Operation Twist it is clearly a tightening bias.  The Fed doesn't want to tighten.  They want 2% inflation.  They will stay loose.  But how?  Sterialized QE.  I think gold hits bottom around $ 1,600.00 oz in the next week completing it's final wave down and silver will hit $ 30oz before both go up. 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:07 | 2255810 mayhem_korner
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It's interesting that any time Ag approaches that $35 mark - the one that many say is the "last" wall of defence before $60 - the whole thing somehow crashes.  I wonder if that's a coincidence...

Anyway, despite the MSM calls for abandoning ship on the PMs, we all know that the Chindos will be backing up the large trucks and overloading them with bullion over the next week or so.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 10:26 | 2257638 trav7777
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only silverbugz say that.

Silver shot past 35 decisively just a week ago or so it seems, all the way up to the 37s.  Most silverbugz proclaimed the rally on, and like 42 coming then 60 and all that shit.  And silver promptly got smashed.

The lesson to learn from all this is to ignore everything silverbugz say.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:10 | 2255818 geewhiz190
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check chart on MUB (muni bond ETF)  something wicked this way comes.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:11 | 2255823 mayhem_korner
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Is it the ghost of Meredith Whitney?

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:13 | 2255829 TN Jed
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edit: clever text pic fail

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:18 | 2255847 Sweet Chicken
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+1 for honesty!

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:13 | 2255830 BudFox2012
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Another Unpopular post coming:  Is it even worth looking at charts anymore?  Are they relevant with the insane amounts of manipulation going on?  I realize that some charts are still valid sources of data, but most are losing meaning when every aspect of the markets, commodities, and bonds have become a global ponzi scheme

 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:36 | 2255889 geewhiz190
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sometimes they're the most useful when you turn them upside down...no kidding

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:21 | 2255851 Downtoolong
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While most of the talk will be about the drop in precious metals today, the sell-off in Treasuries is of a much larger relative magnitude.

Exactly, and the money didn't appear to go anywhere. That's why I'm going out on a limb (and by that I mean going long) and predicting a big PM rally by the end of the week. There's no better time to buy PM with your Treasury proceeds than after you've manipulated the weak hands out of the PM market.

 

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:31 | 2255880 Quinvarius
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That is what they did in the 70's.  You figure a double in yields means a 50% loss in Treasuries.  GTFO.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:27 | 2255865 MunX
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Interesting day.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:32 | 2255881 Poor Grogman
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This is big news unless the FED gets control again real quick..

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:34 | 2255886 Quinvarius
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I have a theory that the Fed blew its wad for this month when it paid for the record 230 billion deficit spending in Feb.  There has to be some process by which they approve spending.  That takes time.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:37 | 2255895 dvsteenk
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They managed to repump the DJ and S&P three times today, something is holding a magic hand under them, each drop is repumped in systematic manner

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:16 | 2255996 Sunshine n Lollipops
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According to MillionDollarBonehead, it's just savvy investors B-in' the effin' D.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 17:42 | 2255912 SilverDoctors
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Trolls are coming out of the woodwork today.  Must mean a bottom in gold and silver is close.

http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2012/03/gold-silver-will-bottom-this-week-bull.html

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 19:02 | 2256141 Stanwick
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Your bag of coins is smoking.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 20:38 | 2256370 WmMcK
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Ag in the high 20's again, anyone?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 10:31 | 2257666 trav7777
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more bullshit from a dude talking gibberish about 5000 year histories of money.  This nonsense is fucking irrelevant.  Don't put a religious thesis up as trading strategy

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:00 | 2255943 dvsteenk
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i don't see any way this is ever gonna come down again, no matter how bad fundamentals appear - even the "normal" implied correlations don't mean shit anymore

the insiders are just tossing (small?) quantities of stocks back and forth among eachother, stepping up prices higher and higher, muting every small drop, easily squeezing or juicing the last penny out of the few retail traders left in this fake market

maybe they bought up everything, they have full control

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:03 | 2255952 slewie the pi-rat
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is the 10-year a headfake?

i think so, but i'm almost always wrong  L0L!!!

bilary killed the radio star with that worn & tired "working with russsia" shtick about promising before god to blow up shit in iran.  honest

how weird was that?  like they send the 3rd carrier group into the area and they have no fuking plans yet?

however, i can now safely predict that when they end of 2012 comes around (assuming...) we'll all be saying how it's just like 2011, again!  ...and they're gonna pulverize iran any moment now...

but it's nice to know she's working on things so cooly behind the scenes...

i can only hope panetta finds this as funny as i do

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:16 | 2255998 jomama
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artificial dollar strength following the 'non-event', 'priced in' greece default, bitchez

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:18 | 2256002 Irelevant
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Chairman Alan Greenspan (himself a former Objectivist), and macro-economist Robert Barro.[77] Greenspan famously argued the case for returning to a 'pure' gold standard in his 1966 paper "Gold and Economic Freedom", in which he described supporters of fiat currencies as "welfare statists" intent on using monetary policies to finance deficit spending.

Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:20 | 2256007 digalert
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I don't need to make this shit up. The Bamster is setting up a task force to look at gas speculators.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/03/13/obamas_fix_for_gas_pri...

cuz you know, folks is hurtin...blue ribbon panel ought to fix it.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 19:54 | 2256290 Schmuck Raker
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"Gas Czar"

"The War on Speculators"

"Truth in Lending".....oops, that one's already taken.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 10:32 | 2257669 trav7777
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scapegoating like this with politicians leads to price controls which beget hyperinflations

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:23 | 2256025 847328_3527
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Higher interest rates very bullish for mortgages?

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 19:04 | 2256143 Stanwick
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I work at Goldman too!

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 18:36 | 2256064 monopoly
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Nope, still have a way to go before a bottom is in for us I think. Volume not that heavy today and the dollar still has room to run. Think we are entering the mania phase of stocks where they rocket up, and the dollar moves higher and we take the pain. But at some point, it will be one hell of a sled ride down.

I always wonder, if the Fed did not pump 4 trillion into the stock market to take care of squids, thieves, fraud, and politicians, would we be moving out of the depression into a real economy soon? Oh well.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 20:43 | 2256380 blunderdog
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  I always wonder, if the Fed did not pump 4 trillion into the stock market to take care of squids, thieves, fraud, and politicians, would we be moving out of the depression into a real economy soon?

No offense, but that's a stupid thing to wonder.  The Federal government is still responsible for what...40% of the GDP?

There's no "real economy" anywhere near this planet.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 21:40 | 2256490 Lester
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No offense, but that's a stupid thing to wonder.  The Federal government is still responsible for what...40% of the GDP?

There's no "real economy" anywhere near this planet.

 

 

Agree but you underestimate Government Spending's impact on GDP. 
More like 70% of all spending results from Govt Spending at all levels.

 

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:51 | 2256812 OC Money Man
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The commodity world smells stagflation.  This is self defeating, because interest rates rise and kill the commodity carry trade.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:25 | 2256675 billsbest
Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:29 | 2256690 jywhy999
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Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:51 | 2256813 AndrewCostello
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You know people are stupid when they would rather have a piece of paper than something real.  But what can I say, if they're stupid enough to sell their commodities, I'll happily buy them.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Wealth-Mr-Andrew-Costello/dp/1463523017/ref

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:48 | 2256952 cnhedge
Thu, 03/15/2012 - 10:11 | 2257580 connda
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Another hour before JPM smacks gold and silver down another 3%.

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