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From Paulson's 3 Page TARP Termsheet To The Euro Council's 3 Page "Bailout" Statement

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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:47 | 1813693 tsx500
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i read every word.   wildly bullish !  

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:48 | 1813699 tsx500
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 N O T    !

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:49 | 1813711 GenX Investor
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3 pages, just like the Paulson plan.  It's almost 4 o'clock Gordon... what do you want to do???

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:50 | 1813717 Irish66
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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:51 | 1813726 redpill
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Hopping into SDOW at 29.90. This is just stupid.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:56 | 1813760 hambone
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Hey man,

I tire of all the machinations...has anybody jumped ahead and seen how this ends?  Or is it just the never-ending story that goes round and round?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:02 | 1813787 Leopold B. Scotch
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The faster we run, the slower we go.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:04 | 1813797 redpill
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Time is the fire in which we burn

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:12 | 1813840 spekulatn
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"Shut the f*** up Donny"

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:16 | 1813852 Hard1
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Amazing, 27 leaders meet and they agree that measures are needed to fix the banking system and that any help will be conditional!!!! not bad for a politicians day work. They must think they are worth every penny the states spend on them.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:06 | 1813807 YesWeKahn
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Fast forward, QE3, QE4, QE21, DOW 25000.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:10 | 1813830 Troll Magnet
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When we declare war on (insert your favorite villain here, real or fictional), then you'll know it's all over.  Me, personally, I'd like to wage a full-scale war on breast implants.  Not many things are more disappointing than finding out that a chick you've invested time and money on has fake boobs.  All boobs need to be 999.9 pure.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 19:28 | 1814709 The Real Fake E...
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truer words have never been spoken on zerohedge

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 22:08 | 1815427 Iam_Silverman
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"Not many things are more disappointing than finding out that a chick you've invested time and money on has fake boobs."

Oh yeah?  How about a totally fake chick?  Sorta like Chaz Bone -No in reverse?  I saw one of those working at the coffe stand in the Portland Oregon airport.  Scary!

NOTE: guys, if you are going to become transgendered, please reconsider if you are over 6 foot tall and probably sing (sang?) bass.....

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:18 | 1813856 GenX Investor
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Let's see, there are 2 main concepts to ECON... 1) Incentives Matter, 2) There is no such thing as a free lunch.  You can figure out how they get out of this mess (hint:  look at the US housing market, with much less coordination or grace).

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:35 | 1813937 slaughterer
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The EUR/USD should cool off with the deadline for quantitative capital target stretched out till June 30th, 2012--EZ banks can just take their time, and not bother with panic repatriation.   

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:56 | 1813759 AbelCatalyst
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We officially entered Bizzaro world!  I read that, looked at the S&P, and was totally dumbfounded!  It is so far from reality I have no words...  Not sure I can hold on much longer...  Ready to throw in the towel!!  

Black is white, up is down, this is that, and nothing has substance - no reality...  ugh!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:11 | 1813836 DormRoom
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It's not Bizarro.. Power isn't capital you own, but what you control.

Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world


Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:20 | 1813869 AbelCatalyst
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The more I think about this i honestly believe the markets were more concerned with seeing actual details, which would have led to a France (and possibly Germany) downgrade almost immediately, and the dominos would have begun to fall.  

In this bizzaro world: Details are bad, plans of plans are good;  Doing something is bad, planning to do something is good

Unfortunately, we live in the real world, and they are trying to defuse a bomb in which they will need to clip either the red or green wire - they can stand around the bomb and talk all they want, and the people watching from a distance may think all this debate is healthy, but in the backround we can all hear the faint sound...  tick/tock, tick/tock tick/tock, tick/tock tick/tock, tick/tock tick/tock, tick/tock tick/tock, tick/tock tick/tock, tick/tock tick/tock, tick/tock tick/tock, tick/tock....    

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 21:02 | 1815092 Buck Johnson
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Spot on, spot on. All this is is having a plan for the plan that will involve the plan in some future date, keep the faith. They know that any detail would show how bad this is and as you said instantly have the downgrade on France and Germany making the levereaging even more expensive if not impossible.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 18:39 | 1814509 MarkS
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Actually there is one significant piece in there:

The sovereign debt will be carried at the mark to market valuation as of Sep 31, 2011.

So, rather than have to right down the Greek debt on the haircut, they can use whatever thier bank mark to market model says.  I'm pretty sure they were maxed at the 21% haircut they thought that they had agreed to, not the 50% that is coming.  And, that doesn't count the haircut on the Irish debt that will come next because if I'm Ireland I'm not carrying that staggering debt if the Greeks aren't going to have to...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:50 | 1813695 TruthInSunshine
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Off topic alert, but here's something to add to the aforementioned paperweight -

- only because it comes remotely close to the idiocy of anyone who actually believes the EU is one step closer to resolving their Eurodebtapocalypse crisis rooted in mathematical proof than they were yesterday (the solution will come, and it will come in a massive wave of blinding red numbers all over the board, but I digress):

The complete lunacy of the day OP/ED, courtesy of the New York Times:

Op-Ed | JAMES LIVINGSTON It’s Consumer Spending, Stupid

Consumer debt and government spending are what really drive economic growth, not private investment.



AS an economic historian who has been studying American capitalism for 35 years, I’m going to let you in on the best-kept secret of the last century: private investment — that is, using business profits to increase productivity and output — doesn’t actually drive economic growth. Consumer debt and government spending do. Private investment isn’t even necessary to promote growth.

...We don’t need the traders and the C.E.O.’s and the analysts — the 1 percent — to collect and manage our savings. Instead, we consumers need to save less and spend more in the name of a better future. We don’t need to silence the ant, but we’d better start listening to the grasshopper.

*James Livingston, a professor of history at Rutgers, is the author of “Against Thrift: Why Consumer Culture Is Good for the Economy, the Environment and Your Soul.”



It's odd...you know...

Go into more debt to resolve your debt crisis, and not a mention of the necessity of employment or wage growth to fuel even net-debt consumer spending.

He thinks an increasing number of jobless people, coupled with those still working but making less in real wages (or even nominal wages), can fuel an economic rebound, and save debt-drowned governments, as well....



Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:51 | 1813728 Darth Sidious
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remind me not to send my kids to rutgers

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:54 | 1813748 chet
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Man, that guy sounds like a sociopath.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:19 | 1813857 MolotovCockhead
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He who dies with the most debt, wins!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:57 | 1813766 daxtonbrown
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We live in a time of utter insanity, that is the only way to explain what is going on. Everyone is a liar at a liar's feast, no statistic can be counted on. Balance sheets, who needs stinking balance sheets? Mark to market, pfffft. The only way out is to go to ground and hope to wait out a decade of this crap.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:16 | 1813789 TruthInSunshine
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To those of you who mock the esteemed James Livingston (including myself, as he's utterly mockable), I'll have you know that he has lunch with The Bernank regularly, and that he won the 2009 Building A Bridge To Debt Serfdom Award© from the Marriner S. Eccles Ecclesiastical Society.

I eagerly await his next three worka of non-fiction, famed Economic Historian that he is, which are rumored to be titled:

Eternally Indebted To 'The Man' & Forever Digging Deeper: A Keynesian Love Story


With Every Additional Leveraged Loan Gone Sour, Angels Find Their Wings


How Old Man Rothschild Busted My Balls With The Loansharking & I Learned To Love It


Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:16 | 1813853 Dick Darlington
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lol! Thanks for the laughs!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:00 | 1813782 Rover
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I think i finally ran out of tears...

Brutal article.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:05 | 1813805 LiquidDreams
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This guy is frighteningly stupid. "We grew so much when people were spending %120 of their income, gee wiz why don't the consumers just do that again!" If only we could just pile up debt forever. I feel bad for anyone who pays to take a class from this jerk off.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:07 | 1813814 Tao 4 the Show
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Starving farmers only need to eat more. No need to plant more crops.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:10 | 1813828 LawsofPhysics
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Relax sunshine he has simply been studying the wrong 35 years of history.  While it is true that debt has fueled prosperity and growth this is sort of like looking in your rear-view mirror to see where you are going.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:11 | 1813832 Hooligan
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Would charging silver coins on your amex count as savings or consumer debt?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 16:27 | 1814121 Manthong
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I thought this was a clever bit of satire, but after doing a little research, this guy is dead serious.

What's maddening is that this lunacy gets any coverage or is tolerated in serious venues.

I pity the kids that have been contaminated by this idiot.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:48 | 1813697 B-rock
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Hey, European on my shoe.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:48 | 1813700 YesWeKahn
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you wanna a logical trade?

Energy stocks rally on weaker oil price.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:49 | 1813704 Irish66
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I can't stop laughing..2 years for that

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:49 | 1813705 drivenZ
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is that "Courier New" font? they really stretched that to 3 pages

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:49 | 1813707 YesWeKahn
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Tyler, it is a 3 pages document, thank you for triming the other 197 pages of non-sense.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:49 | 1813713 Gief Gold Plox
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I'm amazed they managed to inflate nothing to three pages. Wish I had that power back in my schooldays.

And so the Eurozone saga continues.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:59 | 1813777 AbelCatalyst
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They bumped up the font size to 13 and used double spaces and many bullet points (really!)  

I'm surprised we did not see, "It is very, very, very, very, very, very, very important to..."

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:50 | 1813715 YesWeKahn
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Market is pausing to read these pages right now.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:53 | 1813743 hedgeless_horseman
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I don't read European so well, but they make it even harder by writing in the future imperfect tense.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:56 | 1813756 TruthInSunshine
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I never took European, but to be perfectly honest, all those years of French and German lessons may have been for naught anyways.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:14 | 1813793 hedgeless_horseman
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"Any form of public support, whether at a national or EU-level, will be subject to theconditionality of the current special state aid crisis framework, which the Commission hasindicated will be applied with the necessary proportionality in view of the systemic characterof the crisis."

Google translated from European to American...

"Public will be subject to the state with view of the systemic crisis."

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 22:13 | 1815452 Iam_Silverman
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"Google translated from European to American...

"Public will be subject to the state with view of the systemic crisis.""


Cliff Notes version:

Expect your taxes to increase.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:50 | 1813718 caerus
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at least they incorporated italics...that means they're serious

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 15:35 | 1813929 Jena
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No, it just means they're Italian.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:50 | 1813721 PicassoInActions
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they are using different papaer sizes...

We used 8/11 , they are using 8.5/11

They have more bs on their paper

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 14:51 | 1813725 Mark123
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So the markets have rallied for a couple of weeks in anticipation of a MASSIVE European solution...we get nothing and the rigged market rallies.  This would cause a normal sentient human beings to question the system.  Not in the mainstream media....here is the basic spin coming out (from Yahoo Finance):


Market Update   Set Alert    


2:30 pm : Recent headlines indicate that participants in the EU Summit are partial to leveraging the EFSF bailout, but that details won't be decided until November. The lack of reaction among makret participants suggests that after all of the buildup the Summit was essentially a non-event and that market participants weren't really expecting any details today.DJ30 +143.99 NASDAQ +10.43 SP500 +11.21 NASDAQ Adv/Vol/Dec 1705/1.35 bln/770 NYSE Adv/Vol/Dec 2300/585 mln/670

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