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Complete Chinese War Preparedness And Military Update

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Now that Keynesianism has failed (repeatedly and miserably, although certainly not during wartime - during those times it is curiously successful at 'stimulating'), and only those willfully blind refuse to see how this extended slow-motion collapse ends, below we present the latest, 2011 Edition, of the Annual report to Congress revealing "Military and Security Developments Involving the People's Republic of China" or, in short, everything that one needs to know to defend from and/or attack the world's most populous nation. For those short on time, here are the key charts.

The only Org Chart that matters:

Chinese Ground Forces:

Chinese Navy:

Chinese Airforce:

Chinese ICBM reach capabilities:

Chinese Missile balance:

and most importantly, strategic Chinese choke points:

And for those with insomnia, the full report:

2011 Cmpr Final

 

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Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:32 | 1598157 DormRoom
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tldr;

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:34 | 1598161 NewThor
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If Debt is America's CRACK, it's easy to understand why China and Russia bought

so much of our CRACK for us. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:15 | 1598248 spiral_eyes
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not to worry bitchez! the chinese cannot rule the world!

team america will come to save the day!

/sarc

http://azizonomics.com/2011/08/25/team-america-world-police/

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:47 | 1598367 Two Towers AU AG
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For all of China's armed forces.. lets not forget.. we have Spiderman, Superman, Batman and Captain America fighting for us...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:56 | 1598379 HungrySeagull
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Your nuts.

No, beyond nuts.

But hey, if that motivates you to serve the United States well, then have at it.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 03:17 | 1598393 PY-129-20
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Talking about irony.

Remember Paul Krugman? He was that Keynesian economist that died during the Third World War. Rumor has it that he died sitting on a ballistic missile.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 03:29 | 1598397 Pay Day Today
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Never mind that. Just tell me, was the rebuilding stimulatory?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:10 | 1598480 malikai
Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:35 | 1599038 bill1102inf
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GAYEST_FACKIN thing ive seen ever.  And fake.  And dumb.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 15:22 | 1601111 malikai
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Good troll. Good.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:17 | 1598484 CPL
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The new bullish signal:  Caskets and Urns.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 07:36 | 1598546 Oh regional Indian
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Ahhhhaa! Very nice PDT.

China is basically a submarine super-power. of course it helps to have the world's largest standing army.

And the best lesson I learnt in my years in the forces wwas, never believe Jane's defense Wekly to gin up on an opponent's armoury.

Plus, China is literally and figuratively manufactured opposition. Manufactured opposition..... get it? Haaaaaaa.....

Vivek

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/precursor-03-bottom-falling-out-still-still-and-a-gander/

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:59 | 1599185 old naughty
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Yes, ORI, and this is Take III in a span of 60+years --- Korean, Vietnam. Will it be different (say direct) this time?

Or, will it be end game (transition) with the rug pulled from under ?

And then there's the 'wizard' play, so I will just sty tuned.

Not to Jane tho.

Thanks for sharing.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 05:06 | 1598437 Seer
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And: Got Mitt Uns

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 07:57 | 1598580 Escapeclaws
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The LL Bean ones are the best!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:34 | 1598499 Dugald
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You forgot Captain Kangaroo!!!!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 07:21 | 1598528 Mentaliusanything
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As an Australian Let me tell you - Captain Kangaroo is (again) down the Pub getting Hammered. He is not to be relied on. However he does have a long tale risk

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 07:20 | 1598527 FEDbuster
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Haven't you heard Superman gave up his US citizenship?  He has already bugged out.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 08:00 | 1598586 Use of Weapons
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You're a bit behind the times. Superman defected.

http://www.superman-movie.com/comics/superman-renounce-citizenship/

Spiderman turned all emo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHqFI1b3ZH8&feature=related

Batman is fucking nuts

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/07/the_10_mental_illnesses_batman_clear...

 

But yes.. Captain America & the Avengers are still solid.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 13:39 | 1600509 ImnotPOTUS
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Superman opted out of his American Citizenship.

Ungrateful Illegal Alien that he is.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:11 | 1598327 slewie the pi-rat
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TROLL

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:41 | 1598360 Troublehoff
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The Capitalists will sell us the rope, at which, we realise we can produce the rope cheaper, and ourselves become capitalistic, even while the capitalists are becoming socialists"

 

Not as catchy, I know.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:02 | 1598476 Tense INDIAN
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Gaddafi is from same team ...just look at the connections.....it was looking as if Gaddafi was really opposing the west....but he was only playing the part chosen by them......Putin and Ahmedinejad also are in the same team.....no use...we dont have any real leaders.......

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029419/Libya-Gaddafis-son-Saif-al-Islams-web-connections-rich-powerful.html

if u think that there is a war going on between nations, then u r very wrong .....

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:22 | 1599338 Kayman
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G.E., Walmart, and Buffet.  Make sure the rope isn't "made in China".

Our stupid, bought-and-paid-for political whores have created a monster the likes of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.  Their vision of the future doesn't extend past the tip of their nose(s).

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:37 | 1599778 Chuck Walla
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Premier Nikita Kruschev speaking before the UN:

"WE WILL BARRY YOU!"

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:36 | 1598167 Taku
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Krugman's back in the game!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:11 | 1598242 NewThor
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Krugman has been officially demoted to Palin, Sheen, Spears and Krusty the Clown status.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:21 | 1598259 ping
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Don't you dare badmouth Sheen. You non-warlock, you!

[Typed whilst I do warlock stuff, like eat a double-stuffed pizza and wank* a lot.]

* Americans! This means 'jerk off'. You may need to invade, to put a stop to it. "Tug" "Tug". Fondle. Hoo momma.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:44 | 1598290 NewThor
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I'm a Paladin. Duh.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:12 | 1598328 NewThor
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Wait.

What is it that's so bad about life that all the big countries are stocked and ready to end it?

Are they scared that the people are about to find out that the Age of Enemies is almost over?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 07:29 | 1598536 Oh regional Indian
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The end of the Age of Enemies. I like that NewHammer, very nice!

Vivek

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:30 | 1598343 Tom_333
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Don´t sya anything bad about Krusty!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 07:27 | 1598533 FEDbuster
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Dare we say, Paul Krugman is as relevant as Jim Cramer?  Will Krugman get his own disclaimer when he comes on TV or writes an op ed?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 08:32 | 1598652 O_HAI
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Reader's Digest version:

 

Move to Chile because China's nukes can't hit you there [yet].

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:35 | 1598162 stoxster
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Interesting to know Taiwan's naval fleet is quite big. More like I'm pretty shocked to know that China's naval fleet is still pretty small! That now makes sense why there was very little participation on China's part in the Somalian pirate attacks.

 

Thanks for the info.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:36 | 1598166 NewThor
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When WORLD WAR III happens, I don't think there's going to be a ton of boat on boat action.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:43 | 1598178 HungrySeagull
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Thier Navy is not too difficult to remove now. And they can hurt us quite badly by taking Hawaii, Guam and Okinawa out of the fight. If we wait 50 years while talking peace, they will have thousands in the navy and it will be like the Borg in star trek.

 

I believe that we have entered World War three with the 9-11 attacks. A very long period of war. Which is only now getting hotter around the world in various ways.

 

I would prefer to break china economically and not have to fight them toe to toe. There are just too many of them.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:03 | 1598226 Cole Younger
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The "enemy" is not China...The "enemy"  is congress and corporate america's lobbyists who buy, sell, and dictate legislation.  The true enemy of freedom comes from within not from abroad.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:10 | 1598239 HungrySeagull
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And it is up to us the US Citizen to Vote them out of office and elect those who will carry the USA the way our Founders have meant it to be carried.

There is so much rot inside our Nation. I can even see it on the County, state levels on up.

However. Naive as I may be, I believe there are still a shit load of very good American Travelers and other citizens who will probably reach down inside and find what it takes to get this Nation back on track. There has been more than enough damage and lost time.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:40 | 1599065 Forward History
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You're not naieve. You're a citizen, as our founding fathers intended.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:29 | 1599379 toady
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The term 'citizen' is no longer recognized.

It was converted to 'consumer' in the Patriot act.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 18:53 | 1601970 prole
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Ha!
not true. the actual status of we is "regular civilian" or more accurately- untermensch. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:28 | 1598976 circusoflife
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enemy ---> IN ME

 

the enemy within

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:12 | 1599654 FeralSerf
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"We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo

http://corruptionblog.net/2011/07/29/we-have-met-the-enemy-and-he-is-us/

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:21 | 1598257 Shineola
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Take a look a little closer to home Admiral. 

 

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc7.html

 

Gravitational Acceleration.  It is a calculation of how fast a free-falling object achieves terminal velocity.   Oddly enough, the roof line of WTC Building 7 hit the street in the exact amout of time a baseball dropped from the same height would have hit the street. Hint: China didn't do this.  Neither did Osama Bin-Deadlong. 

And Bldg 7 was never even hit by a plane!  

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:25 | 1598268 ping
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It was hit by Israel and cock cancer. And only cock cancer has a recognised treatment.

I keep wondering when the Fema camp will invite me in. Seems like I push my luck every day. Had friends go quiet.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:28 | 1598274 HungrySeagull
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I recall full well what happened on that day.

China wants the South Seas because of the great mineral riches and other resources. She wants it all, always have. One way or another she will get it.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:41 | 1598284 Shineola
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Yes, China is hungry for more resources.  As America has been hungry for the last century. 

Any leader that would sacrifice the life of one American Soldier to battle China over resources is a worthless traitor to this country.  

We have all the natural gas and coal that we will need for the next several decades.   We need to stop invading and "democratizing" everyone else's nation and start rebuilding our own.  Killing people for resources (money) is murder!  

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:39 | 1598356 Terminus C
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You don't have the water to harvest your natural gas so you may as well not even have it.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 08:40 | 1598669 O_HAI
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But don't our good buddies immediately to our North have more H20 than we need?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:28 | 1599736 FeralSerf
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If you have enough available energy, obtaining water is just an engineering problem.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:54 | 1598378 HungrySeagull
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Now you are talking sense. (Not that you did not before)

Just for a short time, imagine the great works we can do in all 50 states if we simply stopped bending over backwards shipping fuckwads of resources, cash and our own flesh and blood to do the work of the world.

 

We have it all right here. But no one is doing anything because everyone is too busy trying to feed the kids or perhaps pay some bills so they dont get put out onto the street or what have you.

 

We have all that we need right here in the United States and by the Grace of God, Canada as well.

 

Every day I have watched our Congress concern themselves with Election year. They call the Tea Party Terrorists. Who the fuck do they think they are? I don't give a goddamn what party is in charge or not, I want a national budget among the 13 Federal Cabinet Agencys, on time, each fiscal year and balanced. No more fucking debt.

 

But nooo.... Nero and crew fiddles while Rome BURNS.

Sooner or later NO one will want to be elected to government of the USA except our own mortal enemies who will simply just hump a leg for a chance to cause our own surrender and loss without a shot fired.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 05:17 | 1598447 Seer
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"We have all the natural gas and coal that we will need for the next several decades."

OK, time for more education...

This sentence is meaningless without stating what the growth rates would be.  That is, if we all switched EVERYTHING over to NG and coal, would we STILL have "several decades?"  And THEN?

TPTB ARE TPTB because of "growth!"  Lack of growth pretty much means the end of TPTB (as we know of them today).

There will be no growing out of this predicament.  Nor will there be any conserving out of this predicament.  THE predicament has, and until we understand simple math (the exponential function), will always be, growth!

As you note, war doesn't solve the basic underlying issue, any more than QE solves the problems with the balance sheets.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:34 | 1599772 Shineola
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There is no predicament in regard to US energy resources.   The predicament that we need to "grow out of" if the constant creating of problem scenarios that do not exist!  

We have nat gas at less than $4 per mmbtu.  That equates to a gasoline price of about $1.45 per gallon.

Grow a fucking set of balls, America!    Life is supposed to be tough!  That's why it is so cool to be a man.  So, you can deal with real shit! There is no need to create fantasy shit and fantasy enemies to fight.

Life is here, it's now, and it's great!

The only real problem confronting America today is fear.   That's the reason people buy the BS notion that we need a huge federal gvt to "save" us from everything from reefer madness to global terror.

 

Terror??.... shit!  The cocksuckers that did 911 didn't terrorize us.  They just pissed us off.  And yes, we know who you are! 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:54 | 1598307 James T. Kirk
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You NEVER want to fuck with a Borg colony once it is full grown.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:06 | 1598320 Rodent Freikorps
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The Borg were the next generation's problem.

Plus, you can beat them with a single iBorg.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:08 | 1598321 NewThor
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*Unless you're Ender Wiggin.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:49 | 1598370 HungrySeagull
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Ender's game. I read that book. Several times cover to cover. The enemy's gate is always down.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 03:05 | 1598383 HungrySeagull
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I have spent many a night building dreadnaughts specifically capable of taking on the Borg Cube. I stopped when I realized that I was essentially building a gigantic block inside of blocks with triple redundant crap to keep the crew alive in battle and it cannot move very well without Sovereign class warships towing it.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:51 | 1598373 Two Towers AU AG
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Never fear the chinese.. they are caught between the himalayas to the west/ South and the sea to the east.. their army and airforce is not much of a problem to any nation considering refueling requirements for aircrafts...

Their ships.. well there is no strength in numbers when you each ship is a dot in the vast occean.. stealth, determination and experience matter most...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:20 | 1599321 krypplephite
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Stealth, determination, experience and a standing division in every major Western Capitol...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:02 | 1599895 bread n circuses
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Here's how the Chinese army will do it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBTjQMtbViU

 

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 03:33 | 1598399 Pay Day Today
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"I would prefer to break china economically and not have to fight them toe to toe."

Funny, I'm sure Deng Xiao Peng would've said something very similar about the US in the early 1980's. How's that working out?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 07:32 | 1598539 Mentaliusanything
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I would prefer to break china economically !!!!!!!!!

That Titanic sailed long ago. Never tie your currency to a debt Junkie. 

Do you think for a minute that a Currency that is married to the US is not suffering "exported inflation" as we all are, after all, it is the Reserve.

The Bananke is not the fool you think.

China will suffer until it it decouples to save its ass.

Really Bens got them on the ropes and by the swingers (balls)

Its just the Chinese are stubborn.

Pearls to pigs really. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:36 | 1598164 TruthInSunshine
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I found the timing of the release of this report to be suspicious, also. I'm not claiming there's fire near the smoke, but then again...hmmm?....hmmmmmm?

 

And Off Topic, because the economy is in recovery mode, don'tchyaknow:

Foreclosures made up 31 pct. of home sales in 2Q

The Associated Press - 31 minutes ago

Foreclosure sales, which include homes purchased after they received a notice of default or were repossessed by lenders, accounted for 31 percent of the market in the April-June quarter, foreclosure listing firm RealtyTrac Inc. said Thursday.

The share of the market would likely have been larger this spring if not for a state and federal investigation into faulty paperwork by banks and servicers. The probe has led many banks to delay foreclosure sales. Once that is complete, foreclosures will likely surge later this year.

 

Recovery summer 2.0 (or is it 3.0?), bitchez!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:37 | 1598165 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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And here I thought the reason David Rockefeller moved to Chile was to escape the Fukashima radiation poisoning!

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:41 | 1598176 NewThor
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Do the Chinese and Russians attend a lot of Bilderberg meetings?

Not having the Chinese or/and the Russians in the Illuminati

could pose a serious problem for them.

WTF am I saying? We all know how the 3rd act goes....

Hero reaches Nadir.

Then, the Illuminati's perfect 100 year plan begins to unravel

like a wicker chair being eaten by a tiger.

And the Mercury of Hercules PWNS.

then,

1000 years of peace.

woot.

GO TEAM AWESOME!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:45 | 1598190 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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A group of Chinese showed up for Bilderberg this year.  There are Russians deeply involved in the plans.  You see, when it boils down, it is not about this country and that country, it is about the rich versus the poor.  The Kings want the land back, and there were kings of all lands.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:26 | 1598270 ping
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Amen, brother. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:46 | 1598294 NewThor
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Oh. Like Game of Thrones, and Joffrey is now ruling. 

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:26 | 1598269 DeadFred
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The Rothschild estate is probably a fortress but I doubt it can withstand a nuke. I've been a bit boring here on ZH repeating my suspicions about Chinese intentions, but those have been based on opportunities, not capabilites. The time to take on a big foe is when he's already reeling. IF they plan on using their power it will be soon. Of course 'soon' is loosely defined.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:35 | 1599774 FeralSerf
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Which estate? There are many.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:42 | 1598363 AnAnonymous
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Do the Chinese and Russians attend a lot of Bilderberg meetings?

Not having the Chinese or/and the Russians in the Illuminati

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Ooooooooooppppppppppppppssssss! Dangerous, dangerous.

Implying that the so called globalists, NWO elite are actually US citizens is not welcome in here.

US citizens can not put up with the observation that the NWO is nothing more than the US world order.

Better to sell fantasy and propaganda:

Russians and Chinese are the core of the globalists, they want to impose a world government and destroy the US constitution they have hated on since 1176. Yes, that is right, even when it was not written, those haters by trade already hated on the hallowed US constitution.

Much better version to fit in a US environment.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:02 | 1599208 nah
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there are globalists and nationalists all around the world

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the secret is people are getting to the point they cant tell the difference with all the global war, warming, credit, government, protecting civilians going on.

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even el nino is a globalist creating 2wice as much war bitchez

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:37 | 1598168 somaplease
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That doesn't look good at all Jerry.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:38 | 1598169 Shineola
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Why can't we just stay home and mind our own business? 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:40 | 1598175 Terminus C
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Because WW III would get us out of this economic slump.

Bullish bitchez!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:43 | 1598179 NewThor
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If you could convince the Industrial Military complex that the REAL profits are in

the USA having a civil war, then they'd bring all the troops home.

I don't know though, they really do enjoy carpet bombing 3rd world countries.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:45 | 1598188 Terminus C
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No kidding, short supply lines, endless 'customers' and a front row to all the action.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:45 | 1598191 HungrySeagull
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A total war requiring a return to ABC ration cards and limits to 10 gallons of gas for all citizens deemed not fit for war effort will really get things going.

 

We will once again benefit from a resurgence of industry, if only we can keep out the Chinese blackjack bombers or other methods of hurting us where it hurts.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:01 | 1598219 LongBallsShortBrains
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A little more of this bullshit and we will be a 3rd world country. Makes sense.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:30 | 1598275 Shineola
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We are NOT a banana Republic!     We have no bananas and..... no republic.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:53 | 1598376 Two Towers AU AG
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Nooo its the aliens who plan to attach us who will get us out of the economic slump...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:44 | 1598172 The Shootist
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I've always been uneasy about China's might. I knew someone who studied abroad there and he kept telling me they pose no threat to us and are a really peaceful and far less advanced nation. I think he knew this wasn't true...
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTSUM_iK-xJ3ixCVERDciEU1gMuaDSM6...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:40 | 1598174 HungrySeagull
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If we have two SSN's stalking each one of China's Boomers 24/7/365 they should be covered.

Taiwan is lost if there is a shooting war. But not without a fight. Basically a knife fight inside a phone booth.

China has capability to sink our carrier outright, but to do so will be a outright act of war.

We can probably win a fight with china if we get at her food and also her economics.

Both the USA and China has much to lose in each respective mainlands in a conventional or nuclear fight. We could remove the Three Gorges Dam which will hurt them greatly and they can hit our Internet and telecommunications along with our own power grid.

Falling back to Korea, it is not easy to see your ammo gone and 10,000 more chinese walking towards you.

 

The one resource not mentioned here is China's People having been in the US for basically century or more in every little town with a chinese restaurant. Each major city contains a China Town that will need to be contained.

 

And finally but not last... if there is war, the USA will have to cut down china with a equivilant of a vicious and full force broadsword chop or two against the rapier. Don't let them dance because we are only 300 mil, half of which are unfit to fight while china can whistle up millions to fight in weeks.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:44 | 1598182 TruthInSunshine
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Raw numbers mean little in the age of modern warfare. Even when they did, ask China how things worked out when Vietnam decimated wave after wave of Chinese trying to advance.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:37 | 1598353 Snidley Whipsnae
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Viet Nam got their ass kicked... That is how it worked out... and, at the same time, China convinced Russia that attacking Afganistan was a better plan than attacking China...

For a guy with 'TRUTH' in your screen name you certainly put out a lot of bull shit...

" China achieved its strategic objective of reducing the offensive capability of Vietnam along the Sino-Vietnam border by implementing a scorched earth policy. China also achieved another strategic objective of demonstrating to its Cold War foe, the Soviet Union, that they were unable to protect their Vietnamese ally. As many as 1.5 million Chinese troops were stationed along China's borders with the USSR at the time and were prepared for a full-scale war."

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:44 | 1598183 whaletail
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"The one resource not mentioned here is China's People having been in the US for basically century or more in every little town with a chinese restaurant. Each major city contains a China Town that will need to be contained."

The Executive Order 9066 is strong in this one.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:49 | 1599843 FeralSerf
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If they strike first everyone will have diarrhea so bad American will literally be in deep shit.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:44 | 1598187 NewThor
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"We can probably win a fight with china if we get at her food and also her economics."

LOL. HA HA HA. WUT? THE? FUCK? YOU? TALKING? ABOUT?

NO MORE JELLO SHOTS FOR YOU!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:53 | 1598203 TruthInSunshine
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I am definitely not in the camp of hawks, and I detest war, genuinely (especially given that 95%+ of wars fought weren't necessary or for a just cause), but if anyone thinks that China is in a position to challenge the U.S. militarily, they haven't a clue as to what U.S. military capabilities really entail.

In a conventional conflict with the U.S., China would last all of a day.

It's the unconventional warfare that would bog the U.S. down, but China can't play that angle the way that a ragtag insurgent group in some weak nation state can. In the event of war with China, there is no 'sort of at war.' The Chinese Government will be responsible for each and every hostile act, and targeted.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:02 | 1598220 Haywood Jablowme
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China may not be able to play that angle, but I'm sure their Ruskie allies can.  People need to wake the fuck up.  USSofA doesn't have a fucking chance against Russia AND China.

 

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:14 | 1598241 TruthInSunshine
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How can Russia fight a guerilla war against the United States, without being discovered to be doing so, if China can't?

Again, this isn't a situation where U.S. Forces would be occupying the territory of a weak nation state like Afghanistan, while being subjected to asymmetrical warfare by ragtag insurgents.

This is either it's on or it's not, and if it is indeed on, then it's going to get ugly, and either Russia or China would get decimated.

There are now declassified documents demonstrating that the former Soviet Union knew that its forces in Europe would have been pulverized by a U.S.-led NATO attack, in the event of conflict. When I say pulverized, I mean obliterated.

One of the biggest focused tasks of the U.S. right now is to ensure that there is no plausible deniability for hostile acts emanating from China. In other words, China will be denied the capacity of launching stealth attacks, carrying no risk of strike backs.

Aside from all of this, you insinuate that the Chinese-Russian relationship is warmer than reality demonstrates. China and Russia are actually far more adversarial than many believe (and have been for quite a long time).

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:23 | 1598264 HungrySeagull
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I respect Russia and China, but never trusted either one of them. There was a time when the USSR was a frightful monster.

Today? Russia can probably dish out as good as take. China? eh. If we sleep too long they too will have parity.

If there is war, Afghanistan will be lost rather easily and that will be hurt.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:40 | 1598358 Snidley Whipsnae
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You are an idiot... and, sound a lot like an obese, desk bound, neo con warrior that has never been on active duty in any military...

Why don't you STFU before embarrassing yourself further?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 03:12 | 1598385 Haywood Jablowme
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This is either it's on or it's not, and if it is indeed on, then it's going to get ugly, and either Russia or China would get decimated.

Decimated?  BWWWWWAAAAAA   HAAAAAAAA    HAAAAAAA

GEEZUS AGE CHRYSTAL, USSofA can't even put the beat down on a bunch of rag-tag Haji's running around with 30 year old AK's.   LMFAO

Nuke em'?  Fine, they nuke us back.

Declassified?  They're declassified for a fucking reason......because those documents don't meant jack shit today homie.

They maybe enemies playing nice for now, but you'd be a fucking moron not to think it would be best to take the USSofA out first, then deal with one another later. 

OMFG.......the idiocy in this country never ceases to amaze me.

 

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:34 | 1598498 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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this China + Russia Vs USA war won't come about but if it did itwould be china + russia that would win and I'll tell you why...everyone else would be on their side

US would have to pull most of its troops from the middle east so the whole of the middle east would support china+russia, US may be able to muster support in western europe although the populations would be so against this that a false flag/martial laz would be needed (as in fact it would in the US too). While Russia and China wuld have no trouble painting US as the global police men/killers that they are and have basically the support of 95% minimum of the worlds population.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:21 | 1599703 Kayman
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TruthInSunshine

China and Russia are actually far more adversarial than many believe

Exactly.  Hard to know who would do the head fake first.  But a lesson in history would be the carve up of Poland between Stalin and Hitler.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  The political corollary is friends and enemies are fungible.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:18 | 1598253 Religion Explained
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wth are u smokin ... a few neutron bombs and done, u silly rabbit ...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:23 | 1598266 TruthInSunshine
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Yes, because the Chinese have the ability to strike with neutron bombs, and the U.S. is decades behind China in that area of technology.

/sarc/

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 08:49 | 1598713 malikai
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ERWs (neutron bombs) were never deployed because they were useless at their design task.

1. They caused significant localised damage.

2. The effective range of the flux was limited to the blast range.

3. The neutrons made everything they touched radioactive.

4. If you're going to start a nuclear war, you might as well get the bang for the buck.

They were however, useful in creating work for a bunch of weapons guys at LANL and Chelyabinsk, though.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:48 | 1598299 NewThor
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I'd like to coin a phrase,

Mutually Assured Destruction.

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 03:14 | 1598387 Haywood Jablowme
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Bingo!  Apparently these jack-asses think the USSofA is the only one with nukes....LMFAO

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 03:46 | 1598402 Pay Day Today
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Indeed. People have short memories. Not only have the Chinese had the hydrogen bomb for decades but they also have a bunch of US warhead designs as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/1351771/Beijing-hac...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 05:34 | 1598448 malikai
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Not just the warheads. More importantly, they also have the guidance system from the MX. Which was the latest/best US design and is now deployed in the Trident DIII and Minuteman III. Not only that, their launch vehicles, descendants from the large russian designs, have much greater throw weight than the US counterparts (excluding the retired MX and Titan).

Some people may remember an old saying that went something like this regarding missile accuracy and payload:

Americans: "We will hit it" - We have accuracy.

Russians: "We will hit it, even if we miss it" - We have payload.

Now we can add the Chinese: "We will hit it, harder" - We have accuracy and payload.

Another curious point to make. While the US and Russia have been actively reducing their arsenals and reducing warhead count in their missiles because of START/SALT/SORT, China has not. They are not signatories, and are free to have as many missiles and warheads as they like.

God help us all if there is ever a shooting war between the US and China.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:53 | 1598205 HungrySeagull
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Listen. The chinese need power. The Three Gorges provide both Power and a inland river to which they can use the Navy to launch strikes from 1000 miles inside thier own country. We take out the Gorges dam and they are going to suffer.

Food. China requires such vast amounts of food. If China takes out our Grain elevators on the dakota plains we will not be able to ship food anywhere worth a damn with the railroads. Even now our Carolina farms are racing to harvest tobacco, corn, wheat and other crops early in advance of the Irene Hurricane.

China can assure her self of protection provided by the Great Gobi Desert and possibly a treaty with Russia so that they both can fight back to back against the USA.

 

Econmics. Taiwan does a GREAT deal of commerce with china. If China attacks and absorbs taiwan they will essentially see reunification and also see less cost of doing business while gaining the world class factories that the Taiwanies have. If we somehow defeat china at taiwan even at a cost of a barren and desolate island then the Chinese will have to find a partner to trade with and it wont be the USA.

 

As I type this container ships stack by the dozen waiting entry to our west coast ports. Our railroads do the transcon thing running containers by the hundereds asap from west to east coast land bridge for a price to get china freight to europe and vice versa.

We stop all that in favor of our own Domestic war time freight China will need more time to get her shipping which now stands at a risk of loss.

 

See where I am going with this? Oh, the fishing fleets china relies on. They will be nothing more than targets of oppertunity for as long we can get something into the area to hunt them.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:34 | 1598276 ping
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Look, pal, I fuckin' hate foreigners, but even I think the 'kill the chinkies' strategy is cruel and barbaric. The military industrial complex is a big part of what ass-raped us. China is a bit player, our own lords and masters are the ones who weakened us. China just noticed how moronic we were and put 2 plus 2 together. No boobie prizes for being non-comatose, just kudos to them.

Also, Belgians have superpowers. You know who I'm addressing.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:45 | 1598365 HungrySeagull
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I hear you.

War with China is something we need not worry about. We can TALK about it yes. But for what?

Oh to distract the people of the USA.,,, no. I aint distracted.

 

China and other nations are very smart. They know how to work the USA as we might work fresh meat on his or her first night in a real pen.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 05:41 | 1598465 Seer
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I've seen your movie before, the Cold War (the "Commies are going to take over the world").

If you think that you're some military strategist... FAIL!

The US has horrible blind spots.  How many more of these?

http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2009/1217/SkyGrabber-Is-hac...

The energy to supply US military actions in Asia would come from where?  You think all those US puppet regimes in the area are secure and that "insurgents" wouldn't unleash waves of attacks on US supply lines (esp/mostly critical oil)?

This is just as the Cold War was, all huff and no show.  The US is painting this for a default.  But, the game of theft (against the public) via militarism continues...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:00 | 1598201 somaplease
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You must feel somewhat ill, or, mentally retarded to have posted that.  Maybe...maybe not.

I say this because, as you know, the United States is involved in two "official" wars right now, and they have gone on for quite some time.  The rag-tag groups are still a handle!  Rascally bastards! 

If Afghanistan and Iraq take this long, how long would China possibly take?  Certainly would need a draft at that point too.

Point is, your Nationalism and traditional way of thinking, makes me want to go and suck a cock in order to get fed some real humanity.

 

Thank you.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:04 | 1598228 HungrySeagull
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The United States has been involved in a number of places. It is no longer a two front war. It is and will be a growing number of hot spots in front of a advancing wildfire from embers blown by the wind.

To this day we have cycled maybe about a million through Iraq and Afghanistan. I have family being shipped over there now as I type this. I dont know if they will make it back because of the MOS's they are in.

The United States can apply a one hell of a great amount of Airforce, Naval and space assets against China. However... I am not so dumb as to actually consider INVADING china on the mainland. That will be suicide. What we probably can do is mine the shit out of her ports and hunt her fishing down. Cap the sky and own it and if we can keep our carriers safe all the better.

 

Our Submarines are the future. There are the Seawolf for deep blue ops, there are the Virginias and others new ones coming out for getting in close. Reminds me of the old USSR cold war days where both sides showed balls.

I have not forgotten the one Chinese Sub captian who dared to surface about 6 miles or so away from one of our carriers in a exercise. A carrier is 4 acres of soveriegn USA containing 5000 crew and some of the very best we can produce. To lose one means war.

 

China can deploy hundreds if not thousands of missiles. They can rain on taiwan night and day then simply attack across a strip of water. Taiwan is lost. With that in mind, I am pretty sure our Navy and Airforce, again will have to do what they have to do as best as they can with what they have.

War with china requires some mental illness because the scope and scale of such a endeavor is not easily... understood.

I grew up in a time where there was a threat of 20,000 Soviet tanks inside East Europe with 50K more tanks easily shipped by USSR rail into the fight within a week or two while we fight the third battle of the Atlantic with our convoys and airbridge.

We in the United States are experiencing the best of times and the worst of times as I type this. History will be written by the Victor.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:41 | 1598354 Koffieshop
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"War with china requires some mental illness" Agreed. TPTB are not stupid or suicidal. They want controllable conflicts, not the apocalypse. The peeps mocking you and modding you down just want to point out that an analysis of war witch China is irrelevant because of this. Any talk of it is meant to divert attention from domestic problems.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:05 | 1598231 HungrySeagull
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A draft of US fighting age men and women will yeild a few million inductees who will require 6 months training to be sufficient as replacements.

China can call up millions in a week from active duty and again call up common chinese by another dozens of millions as a ant colony does. That again is where I go looking to hit at. The food and power both in economics and infrastructore.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:04 | 1598229 trav7777
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China's ability to sink a CVN is highly debatable.  in wartime ASM, probably nil absent use of a nuke

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 04:15 | 1598390 V10
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China doesn't need to win a war with America. It just has to make it too costly for the West.

The American military (the one that truly counts, for the West) is over-extended. A real fight with China is going to mean serious combat casualties on our side, and quite probably significant civilian deaths too, even if nukes stay off the table.

I don't think Americans (or their allies) have the stones for the kind of sacrifice of life and treasure an honest to God war entails, not at the public level nor at the leadership level. Millions for defense? Tribute is much more fiscally prudent, and the economic shockwaves of a crisis in the Pacific could devastate the recession's recovery. Bunch of Tea Party terrorists and GOP warmongers anyway...

The chronically shortsighted, the deluded peaceniks and the outright cowards will demand peace in our time at any cost. And China will give the US some face-saving way out, all we need do is toss the Czechs to the wolf. Or rather, Taiwan, and probably recognize that Korea, Japan and most of southeast Asia are historically within China's sphere of interest, and them taking a more active military role in defense of the region is only natural for the rapidly developing economic superpower.

There, that wasn't so bad was it? They're sated and we can get back to the new season of Idol.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 04:53 | 1598432 laomei
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knock out three gorges and watch all chinese worldwide turn against you... you lose.... utterly

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:04 | 1598781 victor82
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I happen to agree with you that, initially, Taiwan is a goner.

HOWEVER, one of the good things that Donald Rumsfeld and Colin Powell did when they were in power was to conclude a joint naval planning agreement between the United States and Japan.

Basically, during wartime, the U.S. Pacific Fleet and the IJN's Combined Fleet become one command to fight off the PLAN.

The key to dealing with the PLAN is not to go in close where they can kill the carriers, but to go at the chokepoints and force the PLAN to come out and fight in the Indian Ocean in the south and the Phillipine Sea and the Carolines in the east where they are outside of the air umbrella provided by the PLAAF. 

The Chinese want us to come in close where they can sink two to four carriers and conclude the war on their terms, sort of like a Midway in reverse. Hopefully, we're smart enough not to want to go for the quick win, but to try and lengthen the struggle and recall what really defeated the IJN in the last Pacific war: Nimitz' submarine campaign against the Japanese merchant fleet. 

We'll be fine as long as we don't get greedy or hasty. And with the Combined Fleet on our side, I don't see how we lose to the Chinese.

BTW, you can say goodbye to the Panama Canal. They'll take that out in the first week of the war.

Lastly, there's no retaking Taiwan. The Japanese filled Rabaul with over 100,000 men and left them there. A huge blunder, because MacArthur decided to bypass them on the way to Hollandia, but that entire corps was effectively isolated and out of the war. Still, one of the reasons that Rabaul was never assaulted was the sheer numbers of Japanese troops. The Chinese will do the same thing; they'll fill up Taiwan with 250,000 PLA occupation troops and dare us to retake it. We won't. But we will sink much of their navy. The Chinese will consider that an even trade, I guess.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 21:04 | 1602336 V10
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"We'll be fine as long as we don't get greedy or hasty."

Is there the patience for that though?

During the initial invasion of Iraq (about 48 hours in? Within the first week at least), American forces ran into stiff resistance around one city and the advance through the region briefly stalled. Every second word out of the mouths of the talking heads was 'quagmire'.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:43 | 1598180 Ramboy
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Looks like someone is digging for and manufacturing fear

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:48 | 1598298 data_monkey
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Yes, facts are scary for many. For others, it's simply truth.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:43 | 1598181 Maxter
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missile graph actualy is the aircraft graph here.  Or did I miss anything?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:44 | 1598184 Comrade de Chaos
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There is one small piece of puzzle missing - China using its soft (treasury holdings) power:


Taiwanese Official: F-16 Buy From U.S. 'Hopeless'

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=7439782&c=ASI&s=TOP

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:44 | 1598186 DaBernank
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Is this the "alien invasion" Krugman was talking about?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:46 | 1598192 NewThor
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No. I think he was talking about being true to the Watchmen graphic novels TRUE ending. 

DAMN YOU ZACK SNYDER!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:08 | 1598236 whaletail
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+1 Snyder should have just left it alone

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:50 | 1598303 NewThor
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+ 1 giant psychic alien squid brain

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:49 | 1598198 knukles
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Do they have green cards?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:50 | 1598200 Dasa Slooofoot
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Keynesianism  has always been military keynesianism .   The progressive CHUD just always liked to ignore the "military" part of it. 

 

It doesn't jive with the conscience (read: sociopathy) of a liberal.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 07:02 | 1598515 Dyler Turden II Esq
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FDR's  CCC and all the other programs in the 30s were "military"?

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 00:54 | 1598206 Stack Trace
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Tyler Durden,

I don't know if this was already mentioned:

But the Missle Graph is missing. Instead the Aircraft Graph was duplicated in its place.

What I find amusing is that I just read an article on MSM about China's growing military threat and how they will destabilize the Pacific-Asian theater of operations.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:03 | 1598223 AldoHux_IV
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Here's an idea: since there are many of us who were against this keynesian experiment and since war is so ugly, unnecessary, and counter-productive in preparing us for society's greater problems-- why don't we just offer up all the policymakers responsible for this to an international court for their crimes against humanity and dissolve the financial sector of its assets and distribute in a '0.80 cents on the dollar' type way for all. That way justice is served and we can avoid millions of innocent lives being lost because of a few very bad apples.

Reset and move on afterall war (much like keynesians or any other ism out there) are as useful as a second asshole on your elbow.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:11 | 1598240 CrashisOptimistic
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You guys don't think about these things in what I'd say is the proper context.  Namely, oil.  Oil. And only oil.  Nothing else matters.  The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor because of the US oil embargo.  Oil is and always has been, everything.

In that context, military involvement in the inevitable oil wars arrives in two phases.  We're in phase one now.  This involves using force to "protect and provide security to supplies" (which takes on a different meaning if you nuance the phrasing to be "secure supplies").  Phase two is what we haven't discussed here.  Suppression of consumption.

The east coast of China will have to be depopulated by nuclear force.  It will be a billion deaths.  Their oil consumption must be eliminated.  If you don't do it, and of course I know it won't be done absent a truly visionary leader, then tankers enroute Houston will more and more often be sent to Shanghai, via outbidding.  No American president is going to be able to endure loss of supply so that China can have it.  And so: you suppress the enemy's consumption or you endure loss of your own, by whatever means.  A single nuke into the Houston/Texas City refinery complex would be a crippling blow.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:17 | 1598252 HungrySeagull
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I have tried not to consider the war in Nuclear Arms. If it gets that far gone... then I am assured that we will have sufficient nuclear arms to do what must be done.

The big difference between the Cold War and today is the total lack of a Civil Defense as I understand it. Loss of Houston and surrounding areas will probably cut off at least 5 pipelines that I am aware of and it would really hurt. The only hope would then be our refiniery to process the surviving SOR areas.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:19 | 1598255 TruthInSunshine
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And here again, China is focused on Africa, which has about 7% of the global oil output, as these are the spoils and leftovers, while the U.S. has now become the protectorate wit large for nations in the Middle East (excluding Iran) which are responsible for about 50% of global oil output.

I'm not making a moral judgment on this situation, but it is the reality.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:13 | 1598245 Milton Waddams
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Pinky swear on no nukes but targetted attacks on China's most inefficient manufacturing plants followed by a purposefully unsuccessful, but extremely bloody, west to east incursion into Chinese territory.  Win-win.  Poor people population control and higher profit margins as the Chinese industrial base rebuilds with a focus on moving up the value chain  Given that the two countries are so interlinked economically- the challenge is in selling the agenda.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:19 | 1598254 HungrySeagull
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Again, we cannot come up with the manpower to invade china's mainland. The best we might be able to do is do what Mac Aurther did in Korea. Invade something important, trash the place and get out in one peice.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:22 | 1598263 TruthInSunshine
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Why would we need to have a single soldier set foot in China, in the event of all out hostilities?

This is not the way warfare between the U.S. & China would ever take place, in the very unfortunate event that hostilities did take place.

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:33 | 1598277 Akrunner907
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One book:  Unrestricted Warfare.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:42 | 1598286 ping
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I forgot to say: you want scary? Read the JOE scanarios for the DOD. Global collapse, bitchez. And the US military has been planning for it for a decade. Fuck what I say, Google it for yourselves and read the actual details. Download it all now, as the US government sees it. Famine, oil shortages, dick weasels and orphan cancer. And I fuckin' love orphans, the heartless bastards. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:50 | 1598304 Rodent Freikorps
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Orphans are tender little things. I prefer them barbecued.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:43 | 1598287 PulauHantu29
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Kucinich: Try NATO Commanders as War Criminals

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, has been an outspoken critic of U.S. military action in Libya since it began six months ago, even saying President Barack Obama’s policy amounted to “an impeachable offense.”

Now, as Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi’s regime appears to be toppling, Kucinich is ramping up his criticism with the contention that NATO commanders in Libya should be tried in court for killing civilians, Politico reports.

“NATO’s top commanders may have acted under color of international law, but they are not exempt from international law,” Kucinich said in a statement issued Tuesday.

“If members of the Gadhafi regime are to be held accountable, NATO’s top commanders must also be held accountable through the International Criminal Court for all civilian deaths resulting from bombing,” Kucinich said. “Otherwise, we will have witnessed the triumph of a new international gangsterism.”

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:41 | 1598359 HungrySeagull
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Lybia was a problem that came up in the UN by the French who stood up and said that Crazy daffy was killing his own people.

Ergo Nato went in. I KNEW damn well we are within the 60 day war act binding the President to Congress if he wished to continue war ops in support of or invasion of Lybia. 60 days come and go. Now we are 5 months and apparently looking at a victory of sorts.

Syria will be next.

The quiet place? Israel. Not so quiet. Iran grows more dangerous by the day.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:44 | 1598289 bankonzhongguo
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None of this will really matter once US sailors stop getting their paychecks and one TLAM costs $1,000,000,000,000 (Never-mind all the avionics and guidance are built in China).

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:39 | 1598355 HungrySeagull
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That was a very real possibility a short time ago during the great budget crisis we had. The entire DOD unable to make payroll. There were some family telling us from within the platoons they were part of... to a man/woman none will tolerate a missed paycheck because Uncle Sam cannot make a budget.

If the military missed pay, oh there will be hell to pay.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 06:08 | 1598478 Seer
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Well, WTF did people who enlisted think that they were going to get?  TPTB externalize pay by way of propaganda to get civilians to support the "strapped" military person: and every fucking "patriotic" business person (slimy fucks) toot the "we support the troops" B.S... "discounts!" (while refusing to pay more taxes to support increased military pay)

It's them or the "defense" contractors.  Sorry, troops (as is historically the case- WTF can't people learn?) LOOSE!  Got them drones, and Xe, don't ya know...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 01:55 | 1598308 Shineola
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And just why would all this warfare be necessary to insure life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness here in America? 

Washington and Jefferson must be spinning in their graves! 

We have the best damn country in the history of the world!!!   And it just isn't enough, is it? 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:37 | 1598352 HungrySeagull
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No it is not enough. Espeically when Obama and crew has managed to shit over everything, spend all the debt in christiandom and then whine that they need MORE spending.

Hell right now they are saying becuase of a hurricane, they NEED LOTS MORE MONEY AND RIGHT NOW.

JG Wenthworth in his wildest wet dream could not imagine such a thing.

A large percentage of our people cannot eat without Government help. Last night A woman put back a half gallon of milk and picked up a pint instead. For want of a quarter. And here I am standing with a armload of basics and a few 20's in my pocket. I bought her the half gallon. What's a dollar or two?

She will remember my face though. Someday who knows what I might need? That is America. Not the bullshit that goes on in DC day in and night out.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:00 | 1598312 TruthInSunshine
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Well, some would claim that access to resources will be the cold, hard reality as the earth's population rises to 10 billion+, and the choice of feast or famine is laid out before all eyeballs.

On the feast or famine sliding scale, assuming that technology can not save the day and bump up production to necessary levels, where does anyone want to be?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 02:34 | 1598349 HungrySeagull
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I had dreamed of skyscrapers made of lexan material or other solar friendly structure. On each floor is a crop growing. Corn or whatever. Basically fooking huge greenhouses able to grow food 24/7 Instead of acres of land we go up or down as might be for potatoes and what have you.

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