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Complete Chinese War Preparedness And Military Update
Now that Keynesianism has failed (repeatedly and miserably, although certainly not during wartime - during those times it is curiously successful at 'stimulating'), and only those willfully blind refuse to see how this extended slow-motion collapse ends, below we present the latest, 2011 Edition, of the Annual report to Congress revealing "Military and Security Developments Involving the People's Republic of China" or, in short, everything that one needs to know to defend from and/or attack the world's most populous nation. For those short on time, here are the key charts.
The only Org Chart that matters:
Chinese Ground Forces:
Chinese Navy:
Chinese Airforce:
Chinese ICBM reach capabilities:
Chinese Missile balance:
and most importantly, strategic Chinese choke points:
And for those with insomnia, the full report:
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The problem is not arable land, I would think, but the energy cost to build and maintain such skyscraper greenhouses. It's not "Can it be done?" but "Can it pay off?" We can grow tropical fruit in the Arctic, sure, but an orange will set you back like $50.
It's an interesting idea, nevertheless. Build each story tall enough to let in plenty of light, augment with UV lamps and hydroponics. Weather damage would be out of the picture. Possibly less pesticides and fertilizers would be needed in such a controlled environment, and I can't see water usage not being decreased. Crop picking jobs for the urban poor.
Sounds like a project urban greens would lap up. The question is whether it could be self-sustaining without major subsidies.
Places NOT to be? Up the creek (and w/o paddle)?
BTW - Technology can't save the day because it's a process, not a resource, it can't CREATE matter (and it's matter -physical resources- that's the issue). NOTE: yes, the matter is STILL around, but the problem is is that it has been sufficiently diluted and takes a LOT more energy to herd back into meaningful/usable arrangements.
Well said, TIS. The thing is, we understand that we don't have to provide for, or compete with, the future 10 billion. 300 million hard working Americans can do just fine right here within our own borders. All of the war arguments are based in fear of some future scenario. We must kill them to save our children. Really? Congressman Dickweed, if you care so much about our damn future children, why are you saddling them with all this debt?
Fear of the future is the source of so much pain in the present.
Debt can be made to go away on one simple word.
"Jubilee" If you reach back into history it has been used once every 50 years or so to reset everything. So that everyone will have a clean slate and start fresh.
What, it'll then be pre-2007 all over again? Back to the good old bubble times?
Behind that "debt" is real stuff, physical resources. We all took out claims against the future for one reason: gratification for today. We spent that capital. It's NOT there for continuance of what WAS. Starting "fresh," as you put it, ain't going to be so fresh I'm afraid. NOTE: when we start "fresh" does that mean that Buffett's account is the same as mine?
I pity the chink that tries to bum rush my crib. Kevlar microweave BITCHEZ
Maybe the USA could defeat China with its single greatest remaining commodity: BULLSHIT.
So much bullshit now in our country. War-mongering and chest thumping. The last thing our country needs is another war.
What we need is to pull back and recover. We need to rebuild our manufacturing base. We can't fight a war depending on parts from our enemy. Even now we continue to send our manufacturing to China. We can't even manufacture the electronics we need for controlling the machinery we would need in our factories. Simply put: WE ARE FUCKED AND LOST THE WAR ALREADY unless our people start figuring out a way to keep what little remains of our capital base, human capital, and intellectual capital from flowing out.
Furthermore, our military is exhausted and over-stretched and I know this because my brother spent several tours (a Warrant 3 in the Army) reporting and handling logistics for top brass. He said things are at the breaking point and shit is alot more disorganized and fucked up than we think it is. He said the amount of waste in lives, equipment, and supplies is staggering. Good thing we found those WMDs, wait, I meant OIL.
As for Nukes. Please, not another 30 year cold-war. The last one sucked enough. If it comes to that option we will surely be extinct and someday in the distant future some new race of sentient beings can fight over the oil that was formed from our corpses.
As for wars causing economic stimulus...we are in multiple wars right now. I don't see a booming economy. Krugman needs to take a few tokes off Ben's Bong-of-easy-money and go back to sleep.
Manufactering is gone.
China will soon price itself out of our Employers and importers who wish to hire the 1 dollar an hour chinaman to make the stupid stuff we all buy and throw away. They will have to seek out some other chump nation to make our stuff for us.
Our VA has gone from 150 per day to 600 per day and it's stressing everything.
I don't argue that we have to rest, refit and retrain. I don't argue that we are in need of new equiptment to replace worn out crap. After all how can we now store stuff 10 years in the sand and re use it for another invasion? I am not a hawk.
Oil we have. I have never heard of Deep water Horizion until the damn thing blew up. Someone said it was meant to carry the United States total oil/gas demand on it's own in case of a mid east war. I cannot remember who. But if that is true, we fucked that one up because someone cut corners.
Russia controls the keys of energy to Europe. In even now, she is working up top in the Artic and makes no mistake of her intent to control everything up therre.
The next war will certainly be fought over oil.
NOW is the time for the United States to eliminate oil fuel as a feed stock of everything we have built our lives on. No more 60 mile commutes to work. None of that. Start building light rail or operate honest to goodness high speed rail from city to city. The fucking europeans do it why cannot we? They fly at 300 mph on the rail while bumbletrack cannot get 150 on a good day sometimes.
What then is left? Our way of life? Freedoms being slowly chipped away? A united nations that is now a Cancer in New York city?
I can go on but you get the idea.
"Oil we have. I have never heard of Deep water Horizion"
You are implying direct linkage between US oil and oil drilledwith/by DWH.
The "B" in BP stands for "British." From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon
In February 2010, Deepwater Horizon commenced drilling an exploratory well at the Macondo Prospect (Mississippi Canyon Block 252), about 41 miles (66 km) off the southeast coast of Louisiana, at a water depth of approximately 5,000 feet (1,500 m).[36] The Macondo prospect exploration rights were acquired by BP in 2009,[37] with the prospect jointly owned by BP (65%), Anadarko (25%) and MOEX Offshore 2007 (10%).[38]
One more thing, if any of you think that the great movement of our capital to overseas isn't happening I will just mention this in the abstract because I am under NDA but the numbers, countries and such are public knowledge.
One of my previous clients, an American based Fortune 50 company is investing (purposely vague range) $5-$10 Billion in technology, R&D, and infrastructure in China and India. They budgeted a whopping $20 Million for domestic market even though more resources than that are needed for the one single small domestic project really requires at least double or triple that funding level. I left the project after the CEO declared that all vendors had to accept 10-20% rate-cuts and no raises for several years.
I have watched for 7 years as hundreds of Indians and Chinese have been imported to a domestic office (in the South) and the domestic native workers replaced with extreme prejudice. If you walked into this company's buildings you would think you were in Mumbai and not a major American city. Signs everywhere remind people to be inclusive and tolerant. They have Asian Heritage Month, Black Cultural Clubs, clubs for all sorts of ethnic groups and women. The CEO recently stated that "White men are now a minority group and should be treated as other minority groups." in an internal memo. Now I am not trying to pit people against one another on race, gender, etc... but when you walk into a building in the US that contains 3000 workers and maybe 50 of the people are white males that smacks of racism. When almost all of the workers are Indian H1B type workers that smacks of racism. This isn't hyperbole either. I thought about taking videos and posting them on You-tube but feared I would be sued.
I was in college not long ago. A dirty old unshaven fuck sitting at the desk around war vets and fresh faced unbroken cherries fresh out of high school.
I thought now I am going somewhere. I happened to be part of Computers, IT and all that.
Someone said for a fact that MY job that would be waiting when I graduated would be taken by a Indian or some other Foreign worker on a VISA to visit here, work the job learn all take it back home and train other indians to do that same job.
I said fuck this and walked out of college not to look back. All those student loans and for what?! It was to be years later until I see the true horror of our Student loan situation across the UNited States.
militarized nations have options for just abt anything
they prepare for war
bfd
In psychology they call this "projection" -- assigning characteristics to others that actually exist in yourself -- in this case the Pentagon claiming that those inscrutable Chinese are building up the military and have expanionist plans. Meanwhile, on Planet Reality, the U.S. military is outspending China massively and is out-invading them, what? 5 countries to zero in the last 10 years? Talk about the pot calling the kettle...
Then again, this could just be an MIC call for more boondoggles -- can't wait until reality mimics art and the Pentagon talks about China's lead with sharks-with-friggin-lasers-on-their-heads. 'Food stamps, schmood stamps -- we must close the shark/laser gap!'
Yes, actions speak louder than words too. While the US is starting wars all over the middle east to "secure its interests", the Chinese have been peacefully buying up resources. It's ironic and sad.
From "Don't Crash The Ambulance" by Mark Knopfler
....
We don't forget
Who put us here, jack
That's page one
We talk soft
But carry a big stick
And pack the biggest gun
We don't like accidents
Major or minor
You don't want yourself
An incident
Don't ever invade China
Here, son
I'm handing over to you
Don't crash the ambulance
Here, son
I'm handing over to you
Don't crash the ambulance
Whatever you do
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The real strenght of China is not known but it has definitely bigger defence powers hidden and most of the Chinese themselves may not be knowing the actual figures except few top executives of Communist Party of China
Donald Rumsfeld, is that you?
QE3 is out of question
Fraud Street gang will be highly dissapointed and markets will tank -10%
It has been written here many times and may be in this thread as well...
America taps all resources from the rest of the world and defiles same in the process.
We will be defacto rulers of the world once this is complete.
Why is this not obvious to all who frequent theis site?
May have been me (seriously). One of the Forbes clan back in the 70s was stating that the US should look to use up everyone else's oil first: gee, that's pretty much how it's going! And then there's the dumb-fuck Palin plan: use up all of ours first! But...
Problem is, the addict either kicks the habit, OR dies... Eventually TPTB's crutch (paradigm) will fail. People just can't seem to drill down (sorry, bad PUN) far enough to reach meaningful analytical levels: maybe the question "and then what?" needs to be asked? And fucking unicorns come and rescue us?
Hope is for little kids and tooth fairieshttp://www.joebageant.com/joe/2010/03/hope-is-for.html
It may appear to be "obvious" to those who lack understanding. But, no. Every empire before U.S. also believed such things.
This is what is obvious: "On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero'.
Just for fun... no one mentioned space. You know, as in satellite sharding and stuff. the little things that carry communications and stuff.
My advice to my American friends : when the Chinese invade the U.S. territory (in 2030) pretend you're Canadian and you're "only here for work"...
All this talk about the USA destroying China/Russia is hilarious.
Its like Hitler in his bunker,moving around armoured divisions that are down to twelve tanks and then waiting for Steiner to attack.
Anyone remember that 'bottle rocket' fired of the coast of L.A. last year?
Listen to these three MSM presstitutes being shot down by a retired Airforce officer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rOssVrhQmg&feature=related
"Kids with bottle rockets" WTF!
So lets say it was China and not Russia who fired that ICBM........................what did the US do?
The square root of fuck all thats what,the US did nothing.
"how they will destabilize the Pacific-Asian theater of operations"
How they will RESHAPE the Pacific-Asian theater of operations to suit their needs is more accurate. The Europeans did this during the 19th century. The U.S. did this during the 20th century. The 21th century will belong to China.
This article apparently hits a raw nerve in ZH. Oh to be or not to be a global militarist shill when the house burns due to dad's own irrational exuberance and ponzi mayhem.
Go burn Troy, go burn Carthage, go burn Constantinople, go burn Moscow in 1812, go burn Poland and Moscow in 1939/1941. Well, there we are, history is a repeat performance. For those who are desperate to win at any cost, Oligarchs, oil sharks and soldiers alike.
Will the US public buy into this? humm....And never forget that game changer...MAD of the nuclear age. We've been through the Cuban crisis, the Vietnam war etc. USA knows that that road is fraught with total danger, a two edged, mega-sword of Damocles. Besides, Fukushima shows us now nuclear MAD is not only a military watershed it is also a civil watershed. Nuclear is now 'verboten' from man's total survival kit mindest. We have to move on...Unless we are scorpions who bite our own sons, to extinction.
We just can't get sick of reruns. We seem wholly unable to move past our stick waving and stone throwing.
There will absolutely be no war with China unless the U.S. is guaranteed to capture more oil production than it cost the U.S. to prosecute the war. (i.e., no long drawn out war.)
Before you start any wars with China, my friends in your three-cornered hats, consider how close China's nuclear satrap, Pakistan, is to the oil fields of Saudi Arabia.
I don't think trading queens or nukes is wise at this point of the game.
Fascinating stuff - if that ICBM map is correct we should all head for the tip of South America - out of reach of nukes.
I always assumed that 'nowhere was out of reach' - now I know where to set up home.
The next war will not be fought with conventional weapons - it's already underway as the oppressors attack the internet and the freedom fighters (hackers) fight back.
I heard anonymous do a radio interview the other day - it's quite surreal, they are living like Will Smith in 'Enemy of the state' jumping from one internet cafe to the next trying to avoid detection by the FEDs.
This war has been going on for sometime.
"This war has been going on for sometime."
And, the winner?
Nature! (per the rules: "Mother Nature bats last")
Mother Nature may bat last, but the Nuclear Exchange is the Designated Hitter.
Anybody who didn't believe in Peak Oil before the war with China, welcome to the club. The oil fields of the exporters of oil to the combatants are prime targets, no?
Nowhere is out of reach of the subs.
Further, nowhere is out of the reach of fallout.
"Now that Keynesianism has failed"
That's an odd beginning to an article about China's military.
And paradoxical, given that China engaged in massive stimulus ("Keynesian", I suppose) post-2008 -- stimulus that, so far, appears to be successful. Their GDP growth only took a few % points hit in 2009, and has rebounded. Yes, of course, they may be just now on the cusp of catastrophic collapse. Maybe. But then, that's what a whole chorus of China-bashers has been saying for -- what? -- 15 years? Well, you never know. Broken clocks and all that.
No, your argument runs smack into a brick wall: THERE CANNOT BE INFINITE GROWTH ON A FINITE PLANET!
Don't understand how exponential growth plays out? Parabolic curve means nothing to you? These are mathematical certainties, no guesses, no hypothesizing or economics "experts" required. China's bubble WILL burst.
Hi. I didn't say anything about "infinite growth". There is nothing "infinite" about it. It is quite finite. In fact, given that China's fertility rate is now well BELOW replacement (around 1.8 I believe), the end of growth in China will come into view within a few decades, at most. Their population is already noticeably aging.
In any case, I agree that China's overheated economy may well either burst, or take a serious hit, at some point, probably soon. What is of more interest is what happens AFTER THAT, i.e. how fast they can recover from said hit. I'm guessing that it will be much faster than we (U.S.) recover from the thrashing that we are about to take.
Good, someone who understands :-)
I took growth as being implied in the GDP numbers.
When you say "recover," what do you mean? How do you qualify/quantify this?
Quantified typically (historically) in terms of GDP. However, for reasons that you're familiar with (resource limits), as well as growing realization that material wealth reaches a point of diminishing returns with respect to desirable social and personal outcomes, GDP growth alone will not suffice as a measure of development for too much longer. There are many alternatives, including the Genuine Progress Indicator (GPI) and Human Development Index (HDI). I suspect that another one will come into play, along the lines of Factor Five (resource conservation): something accounting for resource efficiency vis a vis GDP.
I follow what you are saying (and agree with most). But, again, how do you define "recover?" NOTE: I'm wanting to qualify/quantify terms that we tend to just throw around as though there are known facts behind them.
Mostly I meant a rebound in GDP growth, though because of resource limits, in addition to other factors, it will not be a rebound to the hyper-growth that they've had for the last couple decades. They will soon have to begin transitioning (as we all will) to a more sustainable, steady-state economy in which "growth" is defined more in quality of life terms than in consumeristic quantity-of-consumption terms.
Actually, that is wrong. While there obviously can't be infinite physical growth, value is governed by both mass/energy AND information (negative entropy). The entropy part of it is not a constant but governed by an inequality dS>=0. As long as we have an energy stream (sun) and heat sink (the universe) we can continue to evolve.
Your view is why Keynesians exist.
"value is governed by both mass/energy AND information"
There can be value without mass and energy (only "information")? Please explain.
On a long enough time line everybody's bubble will burst.
Last bubble standing wins.
What some fail to see is China does not want to try and beat the USA militarily. China wants to siphon off our jobs, become more business oriented and beat us in manufactoring and producing something besides weapons.
I was laughing at the big doom and gloom about their first carrier being floated. Hell they bought a scrapped russian design and refitted it and it is a VTOL carrier. Oh Noes China has a new carrier we must counter it and spend even more money.
Most countries may not like us but most countries do respect our military capability. We are still the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Hell we have nukes now that kill all life and leave structures intact. Very clean and very deadly. You just keep on thinking we will not use them at your own peril.
Any country that has or is developing a military industrial complex eventually wants to go to war as they battle for precious resources. First they will take our jobs and our capability to ramp up war time industrial production, then they will upper hand when it comes to armor and weaponry. I agree with you on the nukes though. If it ever does come to war our best solution would be to nuke a couple cities and call it a day. I'm not saying that is something I want or desire. I just think it's better than trying to fight a hord of that size. It would be suicide.
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War with either Russia or China likely means a no-kidding, point-of-no-return TEOTWAWKI. And it will result in a world, if one is left, where, in the old cliche, "the survivors will envy the dead." The U.S. can muddle its way through Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, the HOA, and maybe even Iran. But if there is a shooting match with one of the big boys, it's lights out for most of us.
If one were really paranoid, you'd believe the Chinese have run their entire economic system in a fashion meant to destroy us by addicting us to the opium of easy credit. This would suggest though a reverse Boxer rebellion.
Wikipedia:
The Boxer Rebellion, also called The Boxer Uprising by some historians or the Righteous Harmony Society Movement in northern China, was a proto-nationalist movement by the "Righteous Harmony Society" (??? - Yìhétuán), or "Righteous Fists of Harmony" or "Society of Righteous and Harmonious Fists" (known as "Boxers" in English), in China between 1898 and 1901, opposing foreign imperialism and Christianity. The uprising took place in response to foreign "spheres of influence" in China, with grievances ranging from opium traders, political invasion, economic manipulation, to missionary evangelism. In China, popular sentiment remained resistant to foreign influences, and anger rose over the "unequal treaties" (?????), which the weak Qing state could not resist. There existed growing concerns that missionaries and Chinese Christians could use this decline to their advantage, appropriating lands and property of unwilling Chinese peasants to give to the church. This sentiment resulted in violent revolts against foreign interests.
We are already in a second civil war because our debt is unsustainable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwNp5v-hGY So, if the Chinese were crafty enough to have employed economic warfare, a la Reagan's 'bring down that wall' to subjugate us, they have a window of opportunity before we come to our senses and engage in a reverse Boxer rebellion. Just a theory.
It is mainstream enough to be part of an Adam Curtis documentary. The narrative directly states that after the Asia stockmarket crash [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis] there was a policy choice to 'beat the Americans at their own game'. i.e. The IMF loans that went to paying off business debt at the expense of the governments [hmm.. same old tune] aided the Clinton era boom, at the expense of Asia.
Adam Curtis posits that at this point, China decided it wouldn't happen again.
Worth a watch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C17zbTTYVME
For the legally minded opposed to freedom of information:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011lvb9
I reckon a time will come when many Americans actually welcome Chinese soldiers on American soil once the realities of economic collapse have taken their toll. U.S. dependance on oil is probably the most significant disaster waiting in the wings.
Drastic cuts in military spending will likely be more palatable than cutting social safety nets. China still has a poor farm that it's masses can go to while in the U.S. one would starve to death if hypothetically stranded on a typical U.S. farm. U.S. farms are typically thousands of acres of just one thing, either corn or soybeans.
Keynesianism failed and the US is broke and diminishing, it's military will have to shrink. Conversely, China's military is stepping up to fill the void and become the global cop. Good cop or bad cop? Who knows. Historically, China has always been very restrained in her expansion through conquest. China needs resources, and has been buying and networking, not bullying so far.
The West has already surrendered fossil fuels to the East, that's what Cap and trade and "green" energy is all about. We're shutting down our usage and ceding them to the East. But the USA is the still the Saudi of fossil fuels with shale oil, NG, and coal and we could be exporters of energy.
If we really wanted to hurt the Chinese we could always export our litigation lawyers to develop a massive Chinese tort industry. We could also unleash a frontal assault of our PC police to create racial/gender strife, and our environmental activitsts could shut down their food markets and all their development in a week -- and those diesel attack submarines can't be good for the ocean.
China is Disneyland for environmental activists, they'd be ecstatic, they'll never run out of violations --- let's export all of ours to China and create jobs in the West. Win-Win.
"But the USA is the still the Saudi of fossil fuels with shale oil, NG, and coal and we could be exporters of energy."
This is a two-dimensional comment on a three-dimensional issue/world.
I mean, what, exporters for a day? What internal/domestic consumption levels?
But anyway, the US DOES export energy in the form of coal:
http://www.eia.gov/cneaf/coal/page/special/exports_imports.html
T-bills can also be burned for energy.
Where is the Gold we need to scam?
Ok so everyone goes to war. Now what?
More questions:
How long the world's constrained resources going to last before there is an absolute need to escalate to nukes? How long before China, Israel, India and Pakistan set off 50 nukes? How long before the nuclear winter sets in?
Flowers and free pussies will welcome US GIs in tiananmen square. Let's do it now.
I was wondering where this article came from. The Defense Department?
This is clearly some kind of psyop. That must mean somethings going down. Jackson Hole?
Anyway, looks like everyone bit.
Get all 1 billion Chinese to jump up and down at the same time. The tectonic shift in the plates will cause an earthquake throughout the world!
An unprecedented crisis of national identity is transpiring, a crisis which has begun assuming the character of a struggle for survival itself, personal, societal, and national. The economic cataclysm which has engulfed the world in such a relatively short time is now on the verge of transmorgrifying into a military conflict of unimaginable dimensions which is breaking upon our largely unsuspecting world with wave upon wave of gathering tidal fury which will inexorably inundate and obliterate that world as we know it. When we look at the theater of the present conflict as it spreads across Central Asia and into the Indian Subcontinent we can discern the outlines of the conflagration which has already been joined by the opposing hemispheric alliances deployed one against the other and reflecting the economic collapse of the prevailing economic paradigm. What one is reminded of here is Clauswitz's famous dictum, "War is the continuation of policy by other means." The irremediably grievous and catastrophic conflicts in both Pakistan and Sri Lanka, and the ongoing decades long evisceration of Iraq are the unfortunate staging areas of the larger geopolitical battleground upon which renascent China and the remnants of Anglo-American empire will engage.
The recent conflict in Sri Lanka underscored the Chinese geopolitical initiatives taking place throughout Southeast Asia and the Indian Subcontinent. The 26 year old civil war in Sri Lanka, to all appearances an intractable and bloody struggle characterised by brutal suicide attacks on civilian as well as military targets, has finally come to an abrupt and sanguinary end with the decimation of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam and a decisive government victory. The denouément partook of the mass displacement and wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of indigenous natives in a bloodbath unparalelled even by the standards of the particularily indiscriminate targeting of civilians which has characterised the decades long conflagration. Scarcely mentioned in the midst of the surprising turn around which brought about the government victory is the fact that Sri Lanka has become a client state of China which has bankrolled not only the construction of the Hambanata naval base to the tune of more than $1 billion, but has also supplied the Sinhalese government with military hardware and armaments totalling $38 million in April of 2007. In July 2001, after a devastating suicide attack on the Bandaranaike International Airport by the Tamil Tigers, which resulted in the catastrophic loss of 8 air force planes as well 4 Sri Lankan Airlines Airbuses, the Chinese stepped in and resupplied the government losses with six F7 jet fighters. It is obviously the unlimited Chinese support and intervention which has turned the tide as India, which unsuccessfully deployed its forces in the island nation in 1987 through 1991, a venture which brought about the assassination by the Tamil Tigers of ex-prime minister Rajiv Gandhi in 1991, stands idly by. Meanwhile in Pakistan a similar government offensive, which has left more than a million residents of the country's northeastern provinces displaced refugees, seeks to dislodge Pashtun militants from the Swat Valley and Buner. This is but the latest catastrophe to beset a nation which appears on the brink of outright disintegration as the abortive U.S. Afghanistan adventure spills across its borders. Receiving much less attention on Pakistan's southwest coast is yet another significant Chinese enterprise, the deep water port and naval station being constructed at Gwadar at the furthest end of the Karakoram highway. Gwadar in the restive province of Baluchistan is destined to become an energy transport hub and oil pipeline into Chinese ruled Xinjiang designed to insulate Peking from interdiction of its oil supplies by hostile naval forces in the event of a major war. Additional Chinese port construction projects are taking place at Chittagong in Bangladesh and Sittive in Burma. In addition Chinese naval forces recently deployed 3 vessels to the Gulf of Aden in November and December 2008 on an unprecedented anti-piracy mission. As the Chinese footprint across South Asia enlarges, and the U.S. economic meltdown reaches critical mass, a collapse of the dollar is all that is needed to bring about a military confrontation, the stage for which is already being set by the various geopolitical manueverings in South and Central Asia and the Indian Subcontinent.
But the US has the Black Triangle UFO's!!!!! lol Unfortunately the war scenario is a very real posssibility and I would be hoping for an anyeurism before it happens. Probably give me a cornorary anyways...
...pathetic waste of effort, we are a ''plague'' (bio chemical) away from the revelation of hell on Earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OazdUor8-_o#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41hdM3YRIGw
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=334589
Anybody who thinks China's military can defeat the US military is ignorant in military and economic affairs. Lets compare both militaries.
China does not have the sea or air-lift ability to directly threaten the CONUS. China does not have a blue water naval ability.
The US through its Carriers and amphibious units does have the ability to project power into China's backyard. However any attempt to directly invade China will be doomed to failure. Although it does not have a blue water ability, China has worked on a number of technologies to counteract the US Carrier battle groups, chief amongst these are land based ballistic anti shipping missiles with ranges in the 3000km range. These will in part act as the equivalent of a fleet in being, keeping the US carrier groups at the limits of their range, until the launch sites can be neutralised. The Chinese have also a number of platforms, including aircraft and fast catamaran attack craft, equipped with the C-802 anti ship missile, rated as one of the best in the world, using swarm tactics, these platforms would hope to destroy US amphibious transports before they could land, with the older torpedo equipped boats going for the landing craft.
Any conflict between China and the US would most likely echo that of Desert Storm, with a build up phase in which the US would reinforce an ally, with South Korea or Taiwan taking the place of Saudi Arabia, as a base from which to launch an attack. The question for China would be at what point it would try and deny the US the use of these friendly airfields and ports, too late and the US would be too well established, too early and the US could paint the Chinese as the aggressors.
Because it lacks the ability for its attack aircraft to get through any probable air defenses that it will face China has continued to manufacture older SRBMs, estimated by the US to number in the thousands, equipped with conventional warheads, these would be used en masse in saturation missile attacks against for example Taiwanese air defense assets in a use it or lose proposition for Taiwan, either use up limited numbers of air defense missiles against the incoming SRBMs or see your air defense sites and airfields wrecked, either way the SRBMs would clear the way for the PRC attack aircraft.
Russia's military is overrated. Many of you like to talk point out that we are losing to insurgetns in Iraq and Afghanistan. Well Russia's conscript army had a hard time defeating the Chechens. Look up the Chechen wars and see what happened to the Russian military. I am not a neo con warrior. I am a Constitutionalist who is a realist. China is 20 years behind the US in military capability. China's military is vastly overrated. They have the largest army on earth but they have no means of projecting their force anywhere and they don't have the logistic capabilities to support even a fraction of those men.
China does not want war with the US because it knows it will be a big disadvantage. China's strategy is to give weapons to America's enemies(Iran,Syria,Pakistan,Venezuela etc) to weaken our military.
this fairly obvious comparison is preaching to the idiots. you need not preach to them. the 'basic' comparisons are clear, when you are simplifying to a world war iii scenario which is NOT going to happen anytime in the next 10 years. china and the u.s. and taiwan, NO one wants it.
what the respective militaries of each country want is public fear . they want more money from their own governments , for the chinese, more of the governments savings, from the americans, more or borrowed chinese money :)
focus on what's in front of you. why stoke fear? MONEY.
yea yea, foreign affairs magazine had a great writeup on the chinese submarine growth last year, etc...etc....we KNOW all this. but SO what.
if anything i think we should be talking with the chinese aboout how us and them can conquer central africa , old school colonialist style. cut out europe, and just take it. with bear hands. chinese provide the man power u.s. provides the international legitimacy and money.
just keep the chinese resturants open for business
LMAO at some comments. We would never invade China. We would just turn off thier IMPORTS and that would be it. They would be done. March those Millions into the Middle East, see how far you make it China.
Simon Black got it right. Notice the range of the Chinese ICBM's, their range falls just short of Chile..another reason to move there..."Chinese Nuclear Free Zone" (and Inflation Protected Bonds)
World War III this way comes!
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I'd suggest this plot is a bit retro for me.
Ok, I hate to be the one to bring this up but as ominous as all the military and equipment sound you do know it was all made in China right? It's like starting a war with shit you bought in Walmart. Believe me...I would not want to try and fire from thier tanks more than once.
Google "hardware trojans" - well known issue, and frequently trends. e.g.
http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=8456.7161.0.0
http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/counterfeit-military-components-and-c...
straights of malaca , bitches!!!