Confirmation Of European Recession Following "Miserable" Composite PMIs Means French Downgrade Coming

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Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:07 | 1803672 BandGap
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Cue the circus music, bring on the car stuffed with clowns.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:35 | 1803703 The4thStooge
Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:07 | 1803673 qussl3
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Careful, else them eurocrats be angling to ban yea blogs for spouting "unnecessary" information.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:19 | 1803683 Ghordius
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I presume you know you are taking stuff out of context, but do you know why many "yea blogs" server are not in the US and not in the EuroZone?

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:08 | 1803674 dbells32
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Only a matter of time until the US equity markets start waking up to the realization that European officials have done nothing but float rumors for 11 weeks and that the EMU is a trainwreck.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:21 | 1803688 Ghordius
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opps, posted previously in the wrong place

my question was

So if a fairy would magically solve the Euro-Debt-Crisis the US equity markets would just go back to the "good ol'days"?

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:28 | 1803694 Sudden Debt
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they figured that one out from the start when they started useing: Europe & Plan in 1 sentence.

It's not like anybody really expected something from our politicians. Their jobs is to make us laugh and some of them did just that. so mission accomplished!



Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:36 | 1803706 Ghordius
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so this is the reason all my Belgian friends are so glum

lack of government - only EuroComedy available...

perhaps in the EuroZone we should swap some comedians, from time to time...

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 09:41 | 1804033 slewie the pi-rat
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let's send them ann coulter & her fuk_u follies revue, BiCheZ!

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 08:20 | 1803795 maddogs
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EU leaders are announcing "progress" but there is little progress to be found. Banks have "volunteered" to 40% haircuts but EU leaders want 50% minimum. Is that progress?

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 09:29 | 1803992 swiss chick
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Agree but at the same time it takes the focus off the US

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:11 | 1803676 GeneMarchbanks
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EFSF gets paraded. Sarkozy gets degraded. France gets ?

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:12 | 1803679 Stoploss
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Mon, 10/24/2011 - 09:48 | 1804055 slewie the pi-rat
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howzabout a reggae version of:

"i shot the sheriff,,,
...but i did not kill the
europeon bailout by downgrading france..."

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:12 | 1803677 nmewn
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"Mouth-gaping expectations" theres a productive activity, time to short flying insects.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:13 | 1803680 Hobo
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I hear you, and good analysis, but ZH has been calling this market short for the last n months/years. I'll wait for a technical confirmation of all the poor fundamental news.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:37 | 1803705 HD
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Your confirmation may be a sudden and unexpected 1000 drop in the Dow.  HFT has done nothing but repeatedly squeeze the shorts - there is no new money and no volume. The equity markets will realign with the reality of the credit markets and, well...KABOOM! S&P 950

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:13 | 1803681 Ghordius
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So if a fairy would magically solve the Euro-Debt-Crisis the US equity markets would just go back to the "good ol'days"?

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:24 | 1803691 GeneMarchbanks
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'So if a fairy would magically solve the Euro-Debt-Crisis the US equity markets would just go back to the "good ol'days"?'

I'd say we're in the good ol'days right now. After that DOW 12000 party and the subsequent CNBC ORGYFEST, we're likely to get a nice, new refreshing batch of QE. Then it all goes bubbly...

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:33 | 1803700 Ghordius
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bubbly yum!

so after QE, QE2, QE Lite, OpTwist, comes.... QE Champagne?

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 08:43 | 1803840 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I guess it's best to be long Pink Fairies.


Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:16 | 1803682 broke433
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Haha, that graph kind of looks like the price of silver :/

And isn't a recession 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP? it would take two more quarters to confirm this.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:28 | 1803693 daily bread
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That's like a doctor discussing a woman's possible pregnancy:  "well, you show all the signs, but we can't confirm you are pregnant until you deliver."

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:20 | 1803684 broke433
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Besides, it's window dressing time... New quarter and fund managers better catch up :/

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:20 | 1803686 TooBearish
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Its not a recession unless Merkozy says so and they have pre-empted by outlawing recessions...BTFD

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:22 | 1803690 silver4me
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Off Topic,

Why the U.S. really wanted Gadaffi out. RT explains his gold back currency plan for Africa

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:36 | 1803704 Sequitur
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Years past I would have dismissed this as nonsense. No longer. First, the so-called "rebels" in Libya started a central bank.  What kind of "freedom fighters" start an investment bank in the midst of rebellion? Second, the recent debacle concerning Iran's purported attempt to assasinate a Saudi diplomat -- lots of mainstream news outlets questioned the United States' "evidence" concerning the U.S. claim. 

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 08:24 | 1803803 maddogs
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To add, Iraq was believed to be heading towards exchange preferrered non-dollar for it's Oil Sales,, now Shell and Exxon can assure this will not happen.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:29 | 1803697 entendance
Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:42 | 1803717 mvsjcl
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From the article:


"The document from the Vatican's Justice and Peace department should please the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn."


Seriously, a full-court press of stupidity and spin mongering. Yep, them OWSers keep calling for more NWO!

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:30 | 1803698 ThatThatcher
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But the market is buoyed on spurious talk of a 'silver bullet' cure in the Eurozone and better than expected Chinese PMI. Who will they export to? We all know domestic demand is still weak

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:34 | 1803702 broke433
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ES about to hit 200 ma soon, short that bitch when it hits 1270~

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:40 | 1803712 Ted K
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(Hey, does anyone know where the restrooms are in this square???)

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:46 | 1803719 disabledvet
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Chinese imports of nat gas up over 200 %? oil imports actually down? And yet oil soars in price while nat gas stays depressed. Go figure. Honda will role out the nat gas "Civic" nationwide next year. A French steel mill relocates to Ohio because the cost of energy is so cheap...and the use of steel is really high in Ohio for some reason. Oh, yeah: they make Hondas in Ohio...I forgot. How long before they make Pugeots? France might explode but the French will survive. Destroy France at your peril--no matter the euro or the EU...or the banks.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 07:58 | 1803750 ivars
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This was a productive weekend!

I think I finally managed to match them! Of course, crash (mimicking recession in q1 2012 in the USA and probaly worldwide) is there for all to be seen:

Now I have a really superb forecasting /history study interest tool . Have a look at exercise behind matching GREAT DEPRESSION and GREAT RECESSION timelines for the first time ( once  I managed to patternalize ( ?) OUT FED's grip on USA stock market prices)  and, as usual, better visibility charts plus explanations here:

And here:

The supplement chart for rereading the history of GREAT DEPRESSION and rethinking the future as time line can be extended as well:

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 08:03 | 1803756 lolmao500
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And since the socialists are likely to win in France in April, nothing much will change.

What would be epic is if the FN were to win. They would cut all bailouts and tell the PIIGS to come and get it if they want to be eaten.

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