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"Guantánamo Forever?" - Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA

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Congress just passed the National Defense Authorization Act in a 283-to-136 vote. 190 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted for; 43 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted "against." Prepare to be arrested, without charge, simply because someone "up there" believes you engage in "terroristy" stuff. Good luck proving them wrong.

From Reuters:

The U.S. House of Representatives approved a defense bill on Wednesday requiring the military to handle suspected militants linked to al Qaeda, acting not long after President Barack Obama removed a veto threat from the controversial legislation.

 

The bill is expected to pass the Senate this week and then go to Obama's desk for his signature into law.

 

Shortly before the House vote, the White House announced the president's advisers would not recommend a veto, although they said they still had concerns about the measure.

 

The measure also imposes new sanctions against Iran's central bank and pre-emptively freezes some aid to Pakistan.

And CNN:

The White House lifted a veto threat against a giant $662 billion defense authorization bill on Wednesday after legislators made changes in language involving detainees.

 

In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States.

 

A statement by White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the changes mean that President Obama's advisers will not recommend a veto. The measure is expected to come up for votes in the House and Senate this week.

 

Democrats to offer changes to payroll tax cut proposal

 

At issue was the president's authority in deciding whether people detained in terrorism investigations would be held in military or civilian custody.

 

Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the legislation includes a "national security waiver" that allows the president to transfer a suspect from military to civilian custody if he chooses.

Swell, in other words it won't be a colonel pulling your nails out... it will be some spook in a grey coat.

And now, for an opinion:

Guantánamo Forever? via the NYT

Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.

IN his inaugural address, President Obama called on us to “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.” We agree. Now, to protect both, he must veto the National Defense Authorization Act that Congress is expected to pass this week.

This budget bill — which can be vetoed without cutting financing for our troops — is both misguided and unnecessary: the president already has the power and flexibility to effectively fight terrorism.

One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past. Some claim that this provision would merely codify existing practice. Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States — and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.

A second provision would mandate military custody for most terrorism suspects. It would force on the military responsibilities it hasn’t sought. This would violate not only the spirit of the post-Reconstruction act limiting the use of the armed forces for domestic law enforcement but also our trust with service members, who enlist believing that they will never be asked to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. It would sideline the work of the F.B.I. and local law enforcement agencies in domestic counterterrorism. These agencies have collected invaluable intelligence because the criminal justice system — unlike indefinite military detention — gives suspects incentives to cooperate.

Mandatory military custody would reduce, if not eliminate, the role of federal courts in terrorism cases. Since 9/11, the shaky, untested military commissions have convicted only six people on terror-related charges, compared with more than 400 in the civilian courts.

A third provision would further extend a ban on transfers from Guantánamo, ensuring that this morally and financially expensive symbol of detainee abuse will remain open well into the future. Not only would this bolster Al Qaeda’s recruiting efforts, it also would make it nearly impossible to transfer 88 men (of the 171 held there) who have been cleared for release. We should be moving to shut Guantánamo, not extend it.

Having served various administrations, we know that politicians of both parties love this country and want to keep it safe. But right now some in Congress are all too willing to undermine our ideals in the name of fighting terrorism. They should remember that American ideals are assets, not liabilities.

 

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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:01 | 1981097 transaccountin
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Seig Heil

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:05 | 1981114 Chuck Norris
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How does that line in Star Wars Revenge of the Sith go? 

 

Something to the effect of watching the republic turn into the empire to the cheers of millions....

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:08 | 1981127 redpill
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Third trimester abortion of justice, and mangled lady liberty is left to die in the janitor closet.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:11 | 1981141 blu
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Ouch. That was an ugly visual, but it worked.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:21 | 1981192 redpill
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I thought it came up a buy short actually. Fucking fascists.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:35 | 1981265 DarkestPhoenix
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That sounds an aaaaaaaawful lot like "sell short".  And we all know those damn short sellers are responsible for breaking the market.  We'll need to take you in for some questioning, bitch.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:39 | 1981280 MsCreant
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Terrorist. Bet there are guns and stored food involved too.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:52 | 1981315 Kitler
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That would be a bet you would win. The prize is an all expenses paid trip to Club Dread in Cuba. The 'catch' is that it's one way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK0pEFSX7Ns

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:59 | 1981380 Caviar Emptor
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Did you say terrorist or tourist? Some people make it sound the same. Are tourists going to be arrested too? 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:14 | 1981435 Kitler
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Depends. Do they have maps or cameras?

If so please immediately notify the Department of Homeland Security.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:17 | 1981448 Surly Bear
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Today is a sad day.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:28 | 1981491 i-dog
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 ... "a date which will live in infamy".

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:02 | 1981603 Cheesy Bastard
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I am having trouble focusing.  Maybe I will wind up in a place where I will learn how to sharpen my thinking.  Some kind of camp, maybe, where I could learn to concentrate...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:06 | 1981618 ZerOhead
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Perhaps even become an intern?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:11 | 1981630 clymer
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I feel sick. Heartbroken. It's one thing to see congress rifle through legislation where there is at least plausible deniability and grey area. This is just an out-in-the-open, affront on American Constitutional Law. Nauseating

I fear for my country

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:14 | 1981646 john39
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the zionists just wiped their ass with the constitution. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:16 | 1981654 Triggernometry
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Give me Liberty or give me...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:53 | 1981819 bigkahuna
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...a nice rifle and a lot of ammo.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:34 | 1981966 Oh regional Indian
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Wow! This is quuite something.

Gulag America? USSA? Don't sound funny anymore. 

Terrirists! All you terrirists. And then people guns will save them. Not so. Even now, enough people pull out of the system....aaargh.... bad news flow hardly stops!

ORI

We can change it, but everyoen looks frightened. CHange won't look familiar OR comfortbale.

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/the-plan/

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:49 | 1982007 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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We've always been terrorists in the minds of the oilgarchy.  Fuck 'em, I didn't want to go to their heaven anyway.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:19 | 1982084 AldousHuxley
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The elites are getting desparate.

Bread and circuses on hopium no longer working

Money printing no longer working

Stock market bubbles no longer working

2 party political system lie is no longer working

MAss Media brainwashing is no longer working

....

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..

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got to get rid of the 99% before they throw elites out......

WAR it is....

fastest way to get rid of outsider populace in both domestic and abroad. pawn vs. pawn until they both die off.

 

BUT even WAR is not working!!!!!

Russia and China standing firm against US via proxy states in syria and Iran.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:39 | 1982126 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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A false flag then; but 9/11 blew their cover.  Go big or go home, bitchez.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:50 | 1982157 Slewburger
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Relax, Travis told me not to worry... NDAA is only for brown people.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:07 | 1982180 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Not needed- they're all in prison anyway

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:18 | 1982200 flacon
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Not even tinyurl fits in this space! That's why I left America in 2009 - it's gone fuckold!

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:28 | 1982217 Hansel
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Geronimooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:05 | 1982345 Canaduh
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America peaked with the XFL. This was inevitable.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:55 | 1982378 bank guy in Brussels
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USA

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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 23:29 | 1985943 Bicycle Repairman
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Will I be marginalized?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:06 | 1981871 ShankyS
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I highly recommend - 

 

Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA Full Length - YouTube http://bit.ly/sx0UaO

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:22 | 1981930 rocker
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Police State. Really Sad. It would be justice if, as our military returns home they clean out Congress and the Senate.

They will find more terrorist under those roofs than in any other place in America. 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:56 | 1982168 Manthong
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A bit OT but just as threatening..

More movement away from the Constitution and rule of law..

Displacing your economic and electoral rights..

This is one of the big things the liberal socialists and progressives have been looking forward to all along:

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/New-Haven-Asks-State-to-Allow-Non-Citizens-to-Vote--135569598.html

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:28 | 1982509 Comay Mierda
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intellectuals will disappear first. im sure ZHers are high on that list.

everything you do on the internet is tracked by DARPA and every file on your computer is visible to them thanks to windows "security" bugs

you better learn how to encrypt your hard drive and browsing.  for browsing, put a browser on an encrypted USB, very difficult to track.

also, your cell phone is recording you at all times, even when it's off.  and its DARPA that's listening.  take your battery out if you need to discuss things you dont want them to hear.  plenty of videos on youtube illustrating how phones can be easily hacked like this

the 1984 state has been here for many years.  next phase: terminate the intellectuals

to all police/military who will be called on to enforce this law on liberty-loving people who have done nothing wrong - you better think twice.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:50 | 1982528 Bobbyrib
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Yes, the liberal socialists, which is why the more Republicans than Democrats voted for the bill. This is all the Socialist Liberals fault. /sarcasm.

Looks like the Tea Party is going to hit the streets again...oh wait the Republican Party already infiltrated and silenced those losers.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 08:04 | 1982533 nmewn
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"...oh wait the Republican Party already infiltrated and silenced those losers."

Funny, I don't feel like I'm silenced or that I've lost.

At the bare minimum national debt levels are topical conversation, not just here, but across the globe. A bankers and statists nightmare scenario. With that conversation comes how much power people are willing to cede to government.

= Winning ;-)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 08:55 | 1982608 Bobbyrib
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Winning? No, losing.. The Tea Party marketed themselves as Constitutionalist and majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives just voted for one the most unConstitutional (if not the most) bills ever to make it to Congress. You can talk about the national debt levels all you, before Obama became President it was quite obvious the US was going to default in some way on their debt and they still will. Big win for the Tea Party. /sarcasm.

I would have more respect for the Tea Party if they weren't a bunch of partisan fools who root for one side and curse the other. If this bill passes, all we lose are our basic rights, but they're only rights, right?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:36 | 1985457 nmewn
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It was tucked inside a Defense Appropriations Bill.

Its how they get bullshit like this through, same with pork spending. You should read it. As I said, the Levin-McCain amendment should have never been put in (made a part of) the entire Defense Appropriations Bill.

Your logic of how this winds up being a reflection on the TP is beyond me. Could it be that your partisanship is showing just a bit?...lol.

"If this bill passes, all we lose are our basic rights, but they're only rights, right?"

The only way this Bill can become law is if >>>Obama<<< signs it. He is the one you should be addressing now. Not some manufactured boogeyman in your mind called the TP. Its called checks and balances.

You should brush up on the Constitution before you accuse others of supporting "one the most unConstitutional (if not the most) bills ever to make it to Congress."...whatever the hell that means.

Nothing comes TO Congress to be voted on up or down. All spending starts in the House. This is a spending bill. The President can submit a proposal (commonly called a budget) or the Senate can submit a proposal. But they are just that...proposed budgets. The House was setup to be for and of the people to counter balance the spend happy executive branch and those peacocks in the Senate.

Collectively, Congress is the House & Senate. The term Congress means both of these chambers.

Clearly you are young, as I have noticed civics classes are no longer taught in government schools.

You're welcome for this condensed lesson Bobbyrib. Given to you free, by TP ;-)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 22:22 | 1985857 Bobbyrib
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The bill was being discussed for weeks on this site. I'm willing to bet the politicians who voted for the bill knew what they were voting for. You think the members of the House of Representatives were ignorant that they were about to vote to strip the rights of individuals from them? Please.

They should have voted the bill down. Everyone knows the funding of our military is a very important issue to the country and politicians don't really mess with the process of funding the military. See Bush's campaign into Iraq after it was proven he lied about the WMD's. The Democrats still funded the War in Iraq.

I do think both parties are to blame. The Senate will most likely sign it into law next week and the word from the press is that Obama will sign it into law.

How is this not a reflection of the Tea Party? It's a poor representation of everyone in the country. I chose to point out the TP, because they are a bunch of phony, Republican, partisan douchebags who have no problem supporting their party line, while rallying against "socialism." I wonder if they know what supporting the agricultural subsidies, social security, and medicare amount to? The bill only passed the House of Representatives, so it has not gotten to the point where the Democrats even passed it, which is why I singled out the TP. As I said the bill is one of the most unConstitutional bills ever to be brought to Congress and I have not heard of one protest, or news peice (other than Rand Paul) condemning the bill.

Thanks for the history/civics lesson though.

 

You sure showed me. /sarcasm.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:50 | 1982009 ShankyS
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"You Don’t HAVE to Lock up Joey For The Rest Of His Life Because He Called You A Mean Name, But You CAN Lock Him Away And Throw Away The Key And Then Falsely Accuse Him Of Being a Suspected Bad Guy If It Would Make You Happy"

Explaining to a 5-Year Old Why the Indefinite Detention Bill DOES Apply to U.S. Citizens on U.S. Soil http://bit.ly/tHlRX7

Nice of GW to repost this. I suggest you read that as well. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:57 | 1982032 ShankyS
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Sen. Rand Paul Speaks on the Senate Floor on Defense Authorization Act - 11/29/11 - YouTube http://bit.ly/sn6bA4

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:44 | 1982087 ShankyS
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"Despite reports that Obama is planning to veto the National Defense Authorization Act, Senator Carl Levin has revealed it was the administration itself that lobbied to remove language from the bill that would have protected American citizens from being detained indefinitely without trial." See it spoken in the floor in video -  

 

Obama Administration Demanded Power To Indefinitely Detain U.S. Citizens http://bit.ly/sn7joU

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:45 | 1982144 ShankyS
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Better late than never? 

 

40 Members of Congress Protest ‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill http://bit.ly/tK8TkF

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:54 | 1982020 European American
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I wonder how this is going to play out in terms of what it might take to be perceived as crossing over the line, i.e. what would be needed to get their attention? Posting here?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:27 | 1982100 passwordis
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 You're crazy!

The next thing you're going to tell us is the Jews run Hollywood, the publishing industry, the music industry and the news media and thus have complete control of the airwaves. Well do us a favor and save your anti Semitic views because I personally contacted the following people...

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

 

....and every last one of them assured me that Jews do not control the media.

 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 05:42 | 1982447 Yellow Tang
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Indeed.  Please offer a similar list to expunge the anti-semitism in the banking sector.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:57 | 1984475 passwordis
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Ok but I'm only doing this in the name of fighting antisemitism.

 

THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK

1) Ben Shalom Bernanke: Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2020.

2) Donald L. Kohn: Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2016.

3) Randall S. Kroszner: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve.

4) Frederic S. Mishkin: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2014.

5) Alan Greenspan: Advisor to Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Recent Chairman

 

 In order to present a balanced picture I have intentionally not mentioned the fact that all 12 federal reserve banks in America are headed by Jewish presidents.  

 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:29 | 1982103 passwordis
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Double post.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:22 | 1982302 CompassionateFascist
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True. And now, all, stop whining and arm yourselves. We are within sight of Concord Bridge.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:43 | 1981777 Real Money Wins
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Weep for those who for generation's have sacrificed their blood , sweat and tears for our Freedom and Liberty as their sacrifice has been in Vain! The Tree of Liberty has been cut down by its roots.

On this Day Freedom and Liberty has ended not by the sound of terrible war but by the sound of thunderous applause in Congress.

A storm is coming, dark and terrible and with it death and destruction.

God Help us all, for no one else will.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:52 | 1981801 bigkahuna
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y'all aint' seen anything yet. These fuckers are just warming up.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:42 | 1981991 Teamtc321
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(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided
the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or
harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported
al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in
hostilities against the United States or its coalition
partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent
act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such
enemy forces.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:25 | 1982098 AldousHuxley
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US elites are corrupt and can't manage the America and Americans.

US elites take as much as they can until SHTF.

US prints money and invades for oil. Oil country natives get angry and become suicide bombers.

US calls them terrorists.

But laws are passed to strip US citizens rights.

US elites chant freedom and democracy on mass media.

But poor education in US deprives Americans the knowledge of better societies out there and that evil empires also chant the same BS.

US goes to WAR.

Americans go shopping for black friday sales on brainwashing machien called TV....now they make it flat so you can hang your brainwashing machines on your wall.

 

 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:07 | 1982181 Teamtc321
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Rant Rant, I missed out on shopping on black friday, so ram it. Post up the link for the flat brain wash machine, I would like to black friday one for my red neck  buddies. 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 10:10 | 1982872 Silver Dreamer
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"or associated forces that are engaged in
hostilities against the United States or its coalition
partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces"

I guess it depends on the definitions of "engaged" and "belligerent act." If the definitions are broad enough, it could be anyone in a militia.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:51 | 1981806 jeff montanye
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ron paul '12. 

it might help.

in any case, defeat obama.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 08:19 | 1982547 Old Poor Richard
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On the infinite list of terroristy stuff is: Ron Paul sticker on your car.  Stand by to be infinitely detained at Gitmo.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/mar/14/fusion-center-data-draws...

"... strategic report compiled by state and federal law enforcement agencies to combat terrorism. Titled “The Modern Militia Movement,” the report is dated Feb. 20 and designed to help police identify militia members or domestic terrorists. Red flags outlined in the document include political bumper stickers such as those for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul..."

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:10 | 1981886 tarsubil
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God help us indeed.

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 23:55 | 1985986 passwordis
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weep for those who for generation's have sacrificed their blood , sweat and tears for our Freedom and Liberty

 

 Unfortunately the poor suckers only thought they were defending Liberty and Freedom. Every war throughout America's history has been instigated to protect and or increase corperate profits.

 Read WAR IS A RACKET by General Smedley Darlington Butler (1881-1940),

 

..nicknamed "The Fighting Quaker" and "Old Gimlet Eye," Smedley Darlington Butler was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. By the end of his career he had received 16 medals, five of which were for heroism. He is one of 19 people to be twice awarded the Medal of Honor, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal and the Medal of Honor, and the only person to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:25 | 1982354 SevensGarlic
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FEMA camps across US recently been given green light to operationally come online...they have been advertising for people to fill positions to staff the (concentration) camps....waiting for the special select citizens ('terrorists') at these places are rows of automated guillotines over risen metal benches...Once the head comes off, the body falls through the bottom of the bench (bed) into a waiting truck bellow....

Who will this luciferian Government target? All those who resist their NWO government....at this stage that generally includes liberty loving people who want their freedoms back (i.e mostly Ron Paul supporters), people who want to 'end the fed', returning veterans who seek to protect the constitution....In a specific sense Lucifer's end game target is 'God's people' (to smooth the way for the world to accept him when he presents himself in physical form) and this is where the 'mark of the beast' comes into the picture. 

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon (Satan) was enraged with the woman (His church), and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring (Christian people), who keep the commandments of God (meaning all 10) and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (the spirit of prophecy Rev 19:10).

 

The 'mark of the beast' will be Sunday worship (testing of your allegiance to God on the 4th commandment, final test to shake out lukewarm belief and show universe that God just in judgment to destroy Lucifer & not fit to rule over others). 

How this system will be implemented..... Firstly, Satan has to come in physical form impersonating the Savior and calling himself 'Christ'. He will do this at a time of heighten world chaos where people are very fearful because fear shuts down the thinking part of your brain (and Satan doesn't want you to be thinking through things too hard when he is around lest he be exposed for who he is)! That means the globalists/elites ect still first need to fully crash the Euro and USD and most private wealth back by paper. At the moment they still need to create a bit more debt so they can buy up the paper on the cheap to have even greater control over nations and currencies. The world will be begging for something or someone to save them from this calamity. Satan will then step into the picture perform various miracles to convince the world of his divine power including such things as healings (merely removing of the curse he had previously cast on them) and 'fire from heaven', such signs will convince multitudes. He will say that he changed the Sabbath day to Sunday and that to honor him you need to keep this day sacred. Then a law will be created (US leads the world in its implementation, as it is the beast of the earth power Rev 13) that honors the wishes on this being people will call 'christ' (who is impersonating Jesus Christ) with the establishment of a Sunday law. This Sunday law will culminate in people receiving a national ID card which on the back of the card says words along the lines of, 'This person agrees to keep the National Day of Reverence'. People will have to present this card before entering stores and/or before they pay for an item. If you don't accept to keep the 'National Day of Reverence'  then you get no card and thus not able to buy or sell. If you want to end up in the book of life by following all God's commandments then you DON'T ACCEPT this card because it goes against the 4th commandment. Satan will create natural disasters and inspire more man-made disasters and blame it on the 'Saturday-keepers' for sinning against him. The Saturday-keepers will be called 'God-haters' and terrorists for refusing to be disobedient to the one true God. 

For me I find it puzzling why so many other Christian denominations have next to no idea what the mark of the beast is to be...the best they can seem to come up with is an RFID chip. In the only other instance in the Bible (other than in Revelation 13) when there is talk of all kinds of people being summoned to pay homage to an 'image' is in Daniel 3, the story of the golden statue. Why is this a valid test of ones allegiances to God? This should be fairly obvious right, King Nebuchadnezzar was instituting a law that tested the allegiance of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to God on whether they would obey God by keeping his commandments, specifically the 2nd commandment in this instance on bowing down/worship of an idol. In the only instance in the Bible which talks about God sending multiple plagues (other than in Revelation 16) targeting those who were not God's people, which was the commandment that Pharaoh was forcing the Israelite's to break that led God to punish the Egyptians with plagues? We find this story in  Exodus chapter 5. The study of this chapter shows that the Pharaoh was forcing the Israelite to break the Sabbath.  The Bible makes sense when you look at stories that God has used to give us understanding where similar circumstances are described in the past (type) to the greater/more important event it will be like in the future (anti-type). This method of parallelism or analogy is used heavily throughout the Bible.  

It puzzles the mind what kind of legal basis Satan can condemn someone at judgment by merely accepting an RFID chip when there is nothing in God's law about. How does breaking God's 4th commandment though make sense when it talks about a day and not an idol in relation to 'worshiping the image of the beast' (Revelation 13:15)? See the 2 quotes below by the Catholic Church (Papal system is the 'Beast of the Sea' (rev 13)/ or little horn power (Daniel 7) how this is makes sense.

“It was the Catholic church which...has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.” — Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213.

 

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” — Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950. 

 

(Receiving the mark in your right hand OR forehead means ....you accept the validity of the law in your thoughts/beliefs (forehead) OR you merely carry out by your actions what is required by the law despite you knowing it is false) 

    

A few more apt quotes from the beast power themselves:

Sunday is our mark of authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” — Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” — H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” — Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.

 

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” — Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

 

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

 

“Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day’? I answer no!”

“Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons.” — James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Md. (1877-1921), in a signed letter

 

Proof of who the (sea) beast power is....

www.remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm

www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com/page18.htm 

What God says about this...

Matthew 5:18  verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.  (meaning, the law, i.e 10 commandments, stands forever)  

Why is the 4th commandment the only one attacked for being irrelvant by the vast majority of Christian denominations, but all other 9 should apply? Throughout the New Testament the Bible makes statements on each that they continue to apply. Anyone who says the God's law does not apply is not from God.
 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 05:44 | 1982449 Yellow Tang
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I think you have a sickness.  Seek help.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 11:34 | 1983249 SevensGarlic
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What is incorrect?

Are you familiar with biblical prophecy?

The truth might be sick, yes....the message from this is that all those who want to be able to get through the 'time of trouble' (rapture before time of trouble is false doctrine) that occurs before being delivered need to have a very strong faith and relationship with Jesus in order to cope with the persecution ect that the Bible tells us will come....that he will provide food for you like he did to the Israelites in the Exodus with manna each day, even if we are excluded from buying and selling at the supermarket. This is the test which will shake lukewarm believers into making a final choice one way or the other...if you have already given yourself to God then what is there to fear

I am just repeating a message that comes from God's prophets....the message isn't mine (just the delivery), so seek guidance from Jesus alone to show you what is truth, and seek with a scincere heart.... If you don't know what to beleive

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 06:14 | 1982465 Pondmaster
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So... hows things in the 7th Day church ? Heard this drivel 35 yrs ago at a "prophecy conference " , trying to dupe the srciptually illeterate . We ain't Jews my friend . Beware of those who try to enslave you in will worship of days, seasons,months, and years . All days are days to worship our God and his Son Jesus Christ . God looks at the heart , not the outward facade . By the way , do you have any ham sandwiches ?  

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:39 | 1982595 SevensGarlic
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What is it that I have said that is scripturally incorrect???

- Do you not identify the Papacy as the (sea)beast/ little horn power like basically every other leader of the protestant reformationa has done? What is your alternative, If so 

- Look for the passages in the book of Hebrews where it is confirmed to us to continue to keep the Sabbath (Jesus' sacrifice does away with the Jewish ceremonial and sacrificial law NOT the ten commandments...google seach 10 commandments in the New Testament....they are all still there) 

- Death by decapitation at camps?
Revelation (20:4) .... Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.

- God's people will be called 'God-haters' for refusing to be obediant to the impostor 'christ' who will demand us worship him on Sunday?
John (16:2-4) ....the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service.3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me.4 But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.  

Luke 21:16,17 (signs of the time of the end) 16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death.17 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 

You even have the Catholic church say clearly
..."People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995 

If you wish to follow God but don't follow his Word then are you really following Him? 

Why is it that basically every other church teaches the immortality of the soul when not once in the entire Bible is the soul (mentioned approx 200-400 times depending on translation) ever described as being immortal....where are these false teachings coming from ???

I am telling you this not as a means to convert you, God only judges you on this when the Sunday Law has been decreed or when you know in your heart that keeping the 4th commandment is correct. I am telling you these future events (specifically the coming of this impostor Christ and the US leading the world in instituting this law which will compel people to break one of the commandments of God) so that when it happens you will know not accept the 'mark of the beast' and you will be saved...  

If you understand scripture then what I am saying is apart of the 3 angels messages from Revelation 14:6-13   ....verse 12 here says: Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I just gave you two straight versus which talk about God's people and in each instance says that they keep the commandments of God. If you think that God is just kidding and it doesn't apply then good luck to you, but I am not putting my faith in the judgement of man... Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is bescause there is not light in them

Jesus says that his kingdom is not of this earth, so when the impostor Christ comes first to set his kingdom up on the earth you will know he is bullshit....Right? :)

You don't have to take on this message, All I ask is for you to remember the signs that I have said....time will show the truth and you will be able to make a good decision. 

So who do you propose is God's remnant church ....a people who will participate in the 'Loud Cry' to call the rest out of 'Babylon' ....a people who will keep all the commandments of God and have the spirit of prophecy (as well as all the other criteria that the Bible describes the remnant church will possess, look into all the criteria and you might be surprised!)?

P.S Answer to Exodus chapter 5 study on parallelism of plagues sent....

"The language Pharaoh uses indicates that Moses and Aaron had called on Israel to rest from their labor. The word of Pharaoh in Exodus 5:5, “You make them rest from their labor” (KJV) or “You are stopping them from working” (NIV) reveals two points. First, Pharaoh blames Moses and Aaron for causing the slaves to “rest” from labor by emphasizing “You …”Second, the word Pharaoh used for the rest is Shabbat (Strong’s #7673). This is the same word and idea expressed in Genesis 2:2 when God “rested” or ceased from His creative works on the seventh day. To suggest that Moses and Aaron required the Hebrews to rest from their labor on any other day of the week other than God’s holy day would be inconsistent with God’s declaration about the seventh day of Creation and the Sabbath day “manna test” that transpired shortly after the Exodus. (Exodus 16)"
source:  http://www.danielrevelationbiblestudies.com/Lesson_33_What_Happened_to_the_Lord's_Day.htm 
 
 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:15 | 1982498 Squiddlydiddly
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"Infamy, infamy. . . . they have all got it in for me".

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:45 | 1981543 TheFourthStooge-ing
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This confirms that the 9/11/01 attacks were the most successful military operation in history. A handful of hijackers has defeated the United States.

Today the House of Representatives gave its stamp of approval to the terms of surrender.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:50 | 1981557 john39
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it might be easier to stomach if the "hijackers" actually existed...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:13 | 1981643 clymer
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the one head-in-the-sand clown that downmodded you probably missed this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM

 

probably a member of congress

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:36 | 1981749 Kiwi Pete
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That clip nails it. Thanks clymer

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:50 | 1981800 john39
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that clip is part of the reason that they need the FEMA camps... too much truth is getting out.  something big is about to happen

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:10 | 1982064 ShankyS
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I don't think "big" does justice to what's about to go down. 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 08:45 | 1982591 smore
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But this one is funnier:

http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/

Most people know that schadenfreude, defined as satisfaction or pleasure experienced as a result of the misfortunes of others, is of German origin. But most aren’t aware that “gallows humor” was also coined by the Germans. The original term, galgenhumor, has been traced to the 1848 revolutions and refers to cynical humor that derives from stressful or traumatic situations. Antonin Obrdlik said that “gallows humor is an index of strength or morale on the part of oppressed peoples,” and it has historically been associated with the persecuted and condemned.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2011/humor-as-weapon-shield-and-psychologica...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:50 | 1981559 fnord88
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi6XV8yBFoU&feature=related

 

They don't give a fuck about you.....

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:09 | 1981836 TruthInSunshine
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Who the hell knows what to believe anymore.

I wouldn't have believed that Johnson essentially de facto declared war (i.e. 'Police Action' via Executive Order), without going to the inconvenient but constitutionally required (whatever that means, now) measure of getting a declaration of war authorization from Congress, by staging a false flag event in what was The Gulf of Tonkin ruse had someone told me that when I was 18.

I do know that that whatever the real actors, reasons and methods by which we became entangled in Iraq & Afghanistan, we're going to hit the 7 trillion USD cost (that's shown on the books - not including the trillions off books) this year.

And that's how empires die, for the most part. Deaths of a thousand paper cuts, and then wham! The MIC gets in on the action to loot what they can before the last gasp.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:56 | 1981582 DaveyJones
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Today is a mad day. Theirs is different than ours

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:28 | 1982223 TruthInSunshine
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Oh, and while the King was looking down,
The Jester stol' his thorny crown.
The courtroom was adjourned,
No verdict was returned.
And while Lenin read a book on Marx,
The quartet practiced in the park.
And we sang dirges in the dark.
The day the music died.

We were singin', "Bye, bye, Miss American Pie."
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry.
Them good ol' boys were drinking whiskey and rye.
Singing, "This'll be the day that I die.
This'll be the day that I die."

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 06:25 | 1982472 Al Gorerhythm
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Terrorist or tourist? Hmmmmmm. Depends on where you are hiking.  If you happen to inadvertently wander into Iran via the remote back door, then you are a tourist. If you happen to fly into LAX or any other US entry point, from anywhere in the world, then you are obiously a tearist. Welcome to the land of the cavity search and pat down. Welcome to Disney Weird.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:03 | 1981399 Uber Vandal
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Perhaps that club may be located closer to home.

This is a job responsibility listed under a posting for the Internment/Resettlment Specialst from the US Military.

Provide command and control, staff planning, administration/logistical services, and custody/control for the operation of an Enemy Prisoner of War/Civilian Internee (EPW/CI) camp

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:05 | 1981866 I Got Worms
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Growth industry? Green Shoots!!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:15 | 1981452 AchtungAffen
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Cuba is a cool place though. Should visit sometime.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:54 | 1981820 Michael
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I just thank God each and every day on my hands and knees for the complete and total economic collapse of the USA and the entire world.

It's the only thing that will fix a lot of this shit for us in one felled swoop.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:54 | 1982023 john39
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maybe true... but recall that they used the economic collapse in germany after WWI to bring about a fascist state.  no doubt a similar plan is now in progress, on a much larger scale.  collapse is certain.  but what happens after that is up to the people that currently inhabit this earth.  end the reign of those who rule through deception? or does the nightmare of a new world order become a reality...  its up to us.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:45 | 1982329 Michael
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I don't give a crap if the whole place becomes like the movie The Road at this point, just so long as the general public get to use their 400 million firearms on the public sector employees who are responsible for the mess.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 04:05 | 1982385 Michael
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Ben Bernanke: Fed Doesn't Have 'Authority' To Bail Out Europe

"WASHINGTON - Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told Republican senators on Wednesday the Fed can't and won't provide bailout funds to support European banks or nations, lawmakers said.

"We're all concerned, is the American taxpayer going to be bailing out European nations and banks," Senator Lindsey Graham told reporters after a meeting with the Fed chairman.

"He said, no, he doesn't have the intention or authority to do that," Graham said."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/14/ben-bernanke-europe_n_1149349.html

I didn't know Senator Lindsy Graham was allowed to have audience with the great Benjamin Shalome Bernank?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 04:14 | 1982396 Michael
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And the big one;

SOPA: Washington vs. The Web

"WASHINGTON -- A month ago, Google lobbyist Katherine Oyama absorbed one of the more unusual congressional tongue-lashings in years when she appeared before a hearing of the House Judiciary Committee. Rep. Tom Marino (R-Pa.) joked that Oyama had walked into a "lion's den."

After praising representatives of drug giant Pfizer and the Motion Picture Association of America for their aggressive efforts to combat online piracy of American products, a bipartisan cadre of committee members spent much of the hearing berating Google, and Oyama personally, as corrupt, compromised and selfish.

"One of the companies represented here today has sought to obstruct the Committee's consideration of bipartisan legislation," House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) said.

"In my experience there's usually only one thing at stake when we have long lines outside a hearing as we do today, and when giant companies, like the ones opposing this bill, and their supporters start throwing around rhetoric like, 'This bill will kill the Internet,'" said Rep. Mel Watt (D-N.C.), glowering at Oyama. "That one thing is usually money.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/14/sopa-protect-ip_n_1140180.html#comments

Thank goodness the Internet architects got up off their asses and supported something for a change. Well, it was an attack directly on their domain.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:48 | 1982525 Escapeclaws
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You are a loose cannon. You must not have kids or a parent in a hospital or someone else that depends on "the system". However, I'm sure you have no conception of what you are saying. I'd rather live with all this stinking hypocricy in relative austerity than in a collapsing society where there are no hospitals, no clean water, no food, being forced to go out at night to trade because of snipers during the day, having family members die from bullet wounds and kids from diarrhea, etc. That said, I don't like the injustice of the system any more than you do.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:39 | 1982522 WTFx10
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I was thinking of immigrating(defecting is probably a better word) to Cuba. Plus if you defect I'm sure the Cubans would use you as a propaganda tool! What the heck if your going to be poor that seems like the best place. Can't leave once you get there but it is in the Caribbean! Don't forget what we have been taught by our government was for their benefit not ours. A lot of wealthy Cubans lost a lot with Castro and as we can see here once you become a threat to the status quo you are a terrorist. If Cuba is so bad why are people still living there? Poor yes, but all the free education and heathcare you could ever want. Wouldn't that surprise the shit out of our poor excuse of a government, a mass defection of former US slaves to Cuba! Wow like to see how they would spin that? Just saying

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:55 | 1982530 Escapeclaws
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Every male Cuban I have had the pleasure of interacting with has been a brute engaging in gratuitous violence. Good luck in Cuba!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:11 | 1981143 LetThemEatRand
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Yet the vast majority of the population is blissfully ignorant, and continues to play Red Team/Blue Team.  Gotta hand it to TPTB.  Who cares if a few percent of us are paying attention.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:21 | 1981196 Don Birnam
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Was not the Bastille stormed due to a similar government internment policy, some two centuries ago ? Tyrants and governments never seem to heed the lessons of history.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:34 | 1981223 Kitler
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Actually they do. Simply said, Tyranny pays great if you can get out in time.

It's the citizens that don't!

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:02 | 1982283 TheSilverJournal
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Apparently many think that government math is too hard. Thankfully, Rick Santelli is there to simplify things.

Rick Santelli Makes Government Math Easy

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:04 | 1982284 TheSilverJournal
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.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:41 | 1981296 BillyBoy22
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"At this point, the Bastille was nearly empty of prisoners, housing only seven old men annoyed by all the disturbance:[4] four forgers, two "lunatics" and one "deviant" aristocrat, the comte de Solages (the Marquis de Sade had been transferred out ten days earlier)"

Not really the case.  But still monstrous.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:34 | 1981261 SheepleLOVEched...
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sucks to be of middle eastern descent now living in the good ol us of a

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:42 | 1981303 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Actor George Takei, who played "Sulu" in the classic TV series Star Trek, talks about his childhood experience in the "freest country in the world's" concentration camps during Banksters' War II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yogXJl9H9z0

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:17 | 1981456 AchtungAffen
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First they came for the middle eastern descent ones. But I wasn't one so I didn't worry...

 

They'll be knocking at your door soon enough.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:45 | 1981788 Crisismode
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I hope so.

 

My Mossberg pump action will take out the first 3 or 4,

 

After that . . . .

 

it's all open conflict.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:52 | 1981814 clymer
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actually, it sux to be an American.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:12 | 1982189 Iwanttoknow
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No Clymer,it sucks to be human.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:59 | 1981843 clymer
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"mossberg, double-pump-action, hee-haw fuckin' pile of monkey nuts".. Dude, they are just. plain. comin'.

nothin good available on my optimism radar.

 

 

(although I applaude your enthusiasm)

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:58 | 1982036 Teamtc321
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""mossberg, double-pump-action, hee-haw fuckin' pile of monkey nuts".. Dude, they are just. plain. comin'."

 

A big "yee haw" from TX then, bring it. 

 

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:18 | 1981462 Mactheknife
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The real terrorists just won. Fuckin sad day.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:47 | 1981790 Crisismode
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Bullshit.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:26 | 1981488 the 300000000th...
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Well this is so they won't have to discriminate, so I think now it doesnt matter. They can't just pick on middle easterers now can they? With this passage they can pick on ANYONE. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:41 | 1981526 A Lunatic
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This has jack shit to do with ethnic groups you insipid fucking tool.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:37 | 1981750 SheepleLOVEched...
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i know that, ya dumb cunt......

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:54 | 1981823 DanDaley
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Sucks to be an American after this abomination.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 08:13 | 1982540 Bobbyrib
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Sucks to be anyone living in this country if the bill passes.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:58 | 1981588 DaveyJones
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what percentage brought the revolution?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:55 | 1982026 Rome is burining
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one third

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:22 | 1981655 gangland
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exactly, im tired of stressing out about this or the fact that so many people don't know, don't care, or actually think this is a good thing.

don't need the stress. apparently nothing is enough to get people on side. not a damn thing. they've won, are winning will win. why fight it. plus everytime you do try and say something people bash you as an extremist when the course for action couldn't be any clearer.

 

big fucking yawn. nothing will fix this but a global conflagration / cataclysm. im not going to try to do anything about it anymore. to do so has become wholly unsatisfying on so many different levels.

 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:40 | 1981762 Raymond Reason
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Oh God, to think of the sacrifices that were made to obtain our liberties.   Swept away, and the people are indifferent.  I'm sick. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:55 | 1981830 High Plains Drifter
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i started feeling that way a couple of years ago  its like bashing your head against the wall. nobody cares. nobody listens. why bother.  

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:21 | 1981922 I Got Worms
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Seriously. I was trying to tell my baby boomer dad about the ramifications of the defense bill today, and all he wanted to talk about was what he got ol' so and so for Christmas. My parents want me to get therapy because they think I spend too much time thinking about "conspiracies."

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:37 | 1981973 Terminus C
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You should do something about the worms though...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:51 | 1982010 floydian slip
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Sitting in a bunker here behind my wall
Waiting for the worms to come.
In perfect isolation here behind my wall

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:51 | 1982158 Hugh G Rection
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Worms.

It's their defense mechanism to deal with their own psychosis. Cognitive dissonance normalcy bias etc.

Easier to believe the British aren't coming, and Paul Revere is a nut.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:36 | 1982316 silverbullion
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Join the team Mate. We're not alone. Our numbers are growing.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:49 | 1982002 floydian slip
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And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall.

"Isn't this where...."

 

Roger Waters

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:31 | 1981958 arby63
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I have maintained for the longest time that the ONLY thing we can do at this point is to starve the beast that seeks to feed upon us.

The Feds love big business because they are easy to control and easy to bleed. Too many Americans just love their direct deposit and debit cards. Uncle Sam gets his thick cut (as do all the other levels of parasites) before you.

UNTIL that is changed.....it will only get worse. Individually, we have to elect to do everything possible to starve the beast because it is growing and it's hungry.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:54 | 1982160 Savvy
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I tried to tell people this 10 years ago. Corporations would never have done what they have if it wasn't profitable for them to. But it was and they did. 6 Waltons earn more than 30% of Americans and they didn't get there by working hard, they got there by buying congress. Now look...and all Americans had to do was vote with their wallets but they voted with Diebold instead.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:55 | 1982334 CvlDobd
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I'm junking you even though I totally agree. It's so fucking depressing.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:24 | 1981154 TruthInSunshine
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When you cast your eyes upon the skylines
Of this once proud nation
Can you sense the fear and the hatred
Growing in the hearts of its population

 

The Greatest Speech Ever Made
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:30 | 1981243 Melin
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gawd I used to play that song over and over and over like twenty years ago

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:39 | 1981282 The Big Ching-aso
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Speaking of over and over again reminds me of this timeless tune.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:32 | 1981503 earleflorida
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says it all

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:45 | 1981997 Crassus
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Banned from the radio in Vietnam. Some Air Force guys had an independent radio station on Okinawa and broadcast it to us.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 04:31 | 1982405 bank guy in Brussels
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Thanks very much for reminding of Barry McGuire's great, intensely passionate 1965 'Eve of Destruction'.

What a song, for today as for back then.

Here is a version of it on YouTube, with full lyrics below the video (many Europeans read ZeroHedge who are not native English-speakers, and it helps to see song lyrics).

Barry Mcguire singing 'Eve of Destruction' live in 1965 on the 'Hullaballoo' music - dance show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFZUDQ85bFU

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:46 | 1982247 Real Estate Geek
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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:20 | 1982350 SevensGarlic
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FEMA camps across US recently been given green light to operationally come online...they have been advertising for people to fill positions to staff the (concentration) camps....waiting for the special select citizens ('terrorists') at these places are rows of automated guillotines over risen metal benches...Once the head comes off, the body falls through the bottom of the bench (bed) into a waiting truck bellow....

 

Who will this luciferian Government target? All those who resist their NWO government....at this stage that generally includes liberty loving people who want their freedoms back (i.e mostly Ron Paul supporters), people who want to 'end the fed', returning veterans who seek to protect the constitution....In a specific sense Lucifer's end game target is 'God's people' (to smooth the way for the world to accept him when he presents himself in physical form) and this is where the 'mark of the beast' comes into the picture.

 

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon (Satan) was enraged with the woman (His church), and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring (Christian people), who keep the commandments of God (meaning all 10) and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (the spirit of prophecy Rev 19:10).

 

The 'mark of the beast' will be Sunday worship (testing of your allegiance to God on the 4th commandment, final test to shake out lukewarm belief and show universe that God just in judgment to destroy Lucifer & not fit to rule over others).

 

How this system will be implemented..... Firstly, Satan has to come in physical form impersonating the Savior and calling himself 'Christ'. He will do this at a time of heighten world chaos where people are very fearful because fear shuts down the thinking part of your brain (and Satan doesn't want you to be thinking through things too hard when he is around lest he be exposed for who he is)! That means the globalists/elites ect still first need to fully crash the Euro and USD and most private wealth back by paper. At the moment they still need to create a bit more debt so they can buy up the paper on the cheap to have even greater control over nations and currencies. The world will be begging for something or someone to save them from this calamity. Satan will then step into the picture perform various miracles to convince the world of his divine power including such things as healings (merely removing of the curse he had previously cast on them) and 'fire from heaven', such signs will convince multitudes. He will say that he changed the Sabbath day to Sunday and that to honor him you need to keep this day sacred. Then a law will be created (US leads the world in its implementation, as it is the beast of the earth power Rev 13) that honors the wishes on this being people will call 'christ' (who is impersonating Jesus Christ) with the establishment of a Sunday law. This Sunday law will culminate in people receiving a national ID card which on the back of the card says words along the lines of, 'This person agrees to keep the National Day of Reverence'. People will have to present this card before entering stores and/or before they pay for an item. If you don't accept to keep the 'National Day of Reverence'  then you get no card and thus not able to buy or sell. If you want to end up in the book of life by following all God's commandments then you DON'T ACCEPT this card because it goes against the 4th commandment. Satan will create natural disasters and inspire more man-made disasters and blame it on the 'Saturday-keepers' for sinning against him. The Saturday-keepers will be called 'God-haters' and terrorists for refusing to be disobedient to the one true God.

 

For me I find it puzzling why so many other Christian denominations have next to no idea what the mark of the beast is to be...the best they can seem to come up with is an RFID chip. In the only other instance in the Bible (other than in Revelation 13) when there is talk of all kinds of people being summoned to pay homage to an 'image' is in Daniel 3, the story of the golden statue. Why is this a valid test of ones allegiances to God? This should be fairly obvious right, King Nebuchadnezzar was instituting a law that tested the allegiance of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to God on whether they would obey God by keeping his commandments, specifically the 2nd commandment in this instance on bowing down/worship of an idol. In the only instance in the Bible which talks about God sending multiple plagues (other than in Revelation 16) targeting those who were not God's people, which was the commandment that Pharaoh was forcing the Israelite's to break that led God to punish the Egyptians with plagues? We find this story in  Exodus chapter 5. The study of this chapter shows that the Pharaoh was forcing the Israelite to break the Sabbath.  The Bible makes sense when you look at stories that God has used to give us understanding where similar circumstances are described in the past (type) to the greater/more important event it will be like in the future (anti-type). This method of parallelism or analogy is used heavily throughout the Bible.  

 

It puzzles the mind what kind of legal basis Satan can condemn someone at judgment by merely accepting an RFID chip when there is nothing in God's law about. How does breaking God's 4th commandment though make sense when it talks about a day and not an idol in relation to 'worshiping the image of the beast' (Revelation 13:15)? See the 2 quotes below by the Catholic Church (Papal system is the 'Beast of the Sea' (rev 13)/ or little horn power (Daniel 7) how this is makes sense.

 

“It was the Catholic church which...has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.” — Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213. 

 

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” — Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950. 

 

Receiving the mark in your right hand OR forehead means ....you accept the validity of the law in your thoughts/beliefs (forehead) OR you merely carry out by your actions what is required by the law despite you knowing it is false

 

A few more apt quotes from the beast power themselves:

Sunday is our mark of authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” — Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

 

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” — H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

 

“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” — Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.

 

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” — Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

 

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

 

“Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day’? I answer no!”

“Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons.” — James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Md. (1877-1921), in a signed letter

 

Proof of who the (sea) beast power is....

www.remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm

www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com/page18.htm

What God says about this...

Matthew 5:18  verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.  (meaning, the law, i.e 10 commandments, stands forever)  

 

Why is the 4th commandment the only one attacked for being irrelvant by the vast majority of Christian denominations, but all other 9 should apply? Throughout the New Testament the Bible makes statements on each that they continue to apply. All I can say is that the Jesuit counter-reformation has done a masterly job on leading the vast Christian denominations astray. Anyone who says the God's law does not apply is not from God.

 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 05:23 | 1982437 TheMerryPrankster
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piss off wanker, you writing a fuckin book? Learn how to hyperlink, troll

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 09:00 | 1982621 MsCreant
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Not to mention "how many times on one thread is it necessary to post this stuff?"

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 04:14 | 1982390 Element
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:19 | 1981177 economics1996
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Learn how to hunt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k5bR1k8O3c

Don't be a pussy.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:13 | 1981426 AssFire
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Learn to kill those who will come for you..if killing a few animals helps you deal with it; great.

There’s a saying about the Three Boxes of Liberty – the soap box, the ballot box and the cartridge box. Regrettably, the third option is becoming more and more likely in our lifetime. Political Correctness has taken away the soap box. The ballot box is increasingly suspect as elections are stolen in broad daylight amidst rampant voter fraud. The only questions at this point are what will set it off and where will it happen? Obama’s re-election? The military being used to support the junta running the country? SWAT teams using high tech weapons, drones and other military gear in the name of homeland security? Cavity searches to travel or enter public places? It’s all happening already. I take some solace in knowing that there are 300 million people in America with at least 200 million guns. Our military has been trying for 10 years to suppress a few thousand fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan. Taming a full blown armed American rebellion would be impossible for all intents and purposes – but it won’t be for lack of trying. The people can only be pushed so far.

When the cocksuckers try to take our weapons it will be the final straw.. I love seeing the Gun Sales soar this holiday season- Obama is the greatest gun salesman in history; he served his purpose. Darwinian law was defied too long; now the strong assert themselves. Hate me for stating it but if you know your history you know I'm right.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:44 | 1981542 Arrowhead
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I heard Kid Rock's "Born Free" first thing this morning. Sent me into orbit. As the day played out, it was like a kick in the chest.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:50 | 1981558 topcallingtroll
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Agreed.
Afghanis have shitty weapons and dont know how to shoot. Imagine our military trying to control a real rebellion in america.

Even just three sniper teams per city would restrict military movement to armored vehicles only. Do they have enough?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:09 | 1981626 JW n FL
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This is only if the Marines dont say fuck it and take out Congress and the Senate for "We the People" First!! LOL!!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:55 | 1981829 UnderDeGun
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That will happen first. The coup will follow. There are way to many people who have lived and wagered real lives to allow a bunch of beltway pussies to jack the rest of US. And not just the military either. Those who think that the vast majority of law enforcement will blindly do TPTB's bidding are seriously paranoid, delusional, or both and are speaking from pure ignorance. Those "...rough men who stand ready to do violence" have more heart and social awareness than the vast majority of the population. They know stupidity and evil when they see it. Why? Because they have been or are required to live beside both on a daily basis. The American patriot is alive and well in all guises. Including green (sand) and blue!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:09 | 1981880 CH1
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I sure hope you're right... but I am not as confident as you are.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:34 | 1981964 seek
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The editorial Tyler linked to, urging a veto of NDAA by Obama, was written by two retired 4-star generals from the Marines. That boosted my confidence a little.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:00 | 1982336 geekgrrl
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Yes, I wrote about the lack of high level military statements just yesterday. I don't know that it does much for my confidence though, since I have a really difficult time believing the military is going to do anything that they're not told to do. If they aren't supported by the bankers (and why would they be, it's the bankers who are calling the shots here, not the fed gov), who is going to pay the military's bills? Don't think they won't notice. :-)

The thing that really galls me is that these traitors in Congress swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, and they are just obliterating it. Obama is the traitor-in-chief and doubly damned because as a Harvard Constitutional Law graduate, he should know better than anyone in this country that these laws are unconstitutional. History is going to treat Obama very badly. He's now a war criminal, just like Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld before him. And they gave this guy the Nobel Peace Prize? WTF were they thinking?

I heard something this morning that scared the heck out of me. It was an interview with an Iraq war vet who was asked what the war was about, and whether it was worth it. What scared me was that he repeated verbatim the line "We brought freedom and democracy to Iraq, and yes it was worth it, because we brought freedom and democracy to Iraq and freedom and democracy is good." OK, I'm paraphrasing a bit, but his delivery was that of an automaton, a person utterly and completely incapable of independent thought. I found his comments and tone deeply disturbing, and I have no doubt whatsoever that if they are ordered, our military will have no qualms, no qualms whatsoever to hunt us down and kill us. This country is no longer recognizable from the country I remember from my youth.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 08:37 | 1982541 Escapeclaws
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I'm getting more and more creeped-out by Obama. Does Obama hate America and its people? Senator Levin says that Obama is the one who put in the language of detaining American citizens on American soil without due process. The passage of this act is the real 9/11 for which the destruction of the 3 buildings was only the prelude. This is controlled demolition of the Bill of Rights and is an inside job in plain sight of everyone. Yet when you talk to educated people about this, first, they don't know about it and second, they don't seem concerned, rattling off things like "Oh, everyone knows the congress is corrupt and just does the bidding of the bankers." This kind of facile thinking, that doesn't understand the gravity of this transgression against all that the founding fathers strove to protect, is more dangerous than ordinary people's ignorance.

Great post, by the way, Geek Girl. I too am suffering from a bad case of cognitive dissonance--how do you keep from losing your sanity when truth becomes lies and lies truth in this upside down world? It's hard when you are old enough to remember a better world. Watching America descend to this level is like watching your child become a meth addict.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 09:06 | 1982646 MsCreant
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At least there is a treatment system and hope of rehab for your kid. It takes what it takes. Addicts sometimes hit rock bottom before they die and can get help. Other times they OD.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 09:35 | 1982725 Calmyourself
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Your now just getting creeped out by Obama??  Not real quick are we??

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 11:36 | 1983258 Waffen
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Obama is of Kenyan decent. Look at the Kenya of his fathers and when Kenya got liberated from the Evil West.

Africa Addio is a great documentary on the kind of world Obama came out of.

Its perfectly reasonable to believe that he hates all of us. Ofcourse Obama is a puppet, but still.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 05:32 | 1989589 geekgrrl
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I couldn't agree more with your sentiments Escapeclaws, especially about Levin's admission it was the Obama administration that petitioned Congress to include US citizens in the NDAA. These are sad days for folks who care about civil liberties and the rule of law and most importantly, Justice.

As for keeping my sanity in the face of all these lies, I find that being out in nature is the best remedy. Take a nice long walk in an old wood and you'll feel much better... :-)

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:11 | 1981634 Arrowhead
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enough drones?

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