"Guantánamo Forever?" - Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA

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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:01 | 1981097 transaccountin
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Seig Heil

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:05 | 1981114 Chuck Norris
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How does that line in Star Wars Revenge of the Sith go? 


Something to the effect of watching the republic turn into the empire to the cheers of millions....

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:08 | 1981127 redpill
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Third trimester abortion of justice, and mangled lady liberty is left to die in the janitor closet.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:11 | 1981141 blu
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Ouch. That was an ugly visual, but it worked.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:21 | 1981192 redpill
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I thought it came up a buy short actually. Fucking fascists.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:35 | 1981265 DarkestPhoenix
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That sounds an aaaaaaaawful lot like "sell short".  And we all know those damn short sellers are responsible for breaking the market.  We'll need to take you in for some questioning, bitch.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:39 | 1981280 MsCreant
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Terrorist. Bet there are guns and stored food involved too.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:52 | 1981315 Kitler
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That would be a bet you would win. The prize is an all expenses paid trip to Club Dread in Cuba. The 'catch' is that it's one way.


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:59 | 1981380 Caviar Emptor
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Did you say terrorist or tourist? Some people make it sound the same. Are tourists going to be arrested too? 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:14 | 1981435 Kitler
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Depends. Do they have maps or cameras?

If so please immediately notify the Department of Homeland Security.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:17 | 1981448 Surly Bear
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Today is a sad day.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:28 | 1981491 i-dog
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 ... "a date which will live in infamy".


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:02 | 1981603 Cheesy Bastard
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I am having trouble focusing.  Maybe I will wind up in a place where I will learn how to sharpen my thinking.  Some kind of camp, maybe, where I could learn to concentrate...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:06 | 1981618 ZerOhead
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Perhaps even become an intern?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:11 | 1981630 clymer
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I feel sick. Heartbroken. It's one thing to see congress rifle through legislation where there is at least plausible deniability and grey area. This is just an out-in-the-open, affront on American Constitutional Law. Nauseating

I fear for my country


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:14 | 1981646 john39
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the zionists just wiped their ass with the constitution. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:16 | 1981654 Triggernometry
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Give me Liberty or give me...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:53 | 1981819 bigkahuna
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...a nice rifle and a lot of ammo.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:34 | 1981966 Oh regional Indian
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Wow! This is quuite something.

Gulag America? USSA? Don't sound funny anymore. 

Terrirists! All you terrirists. And then people guns will save them. Not so. Even now, enough people pull out of the system....aaargh.... bad news flow hardly stops!


We can change it, but everyoen looks frightened. CHange won't look familiar OR comfortbale.


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:49 | 1982007 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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We've always been terrorists in the minds of the oilgarchy.  Fuck 'em, I didn't want to go to their heaven anyway.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:19 | 1982084 AldousHuxley
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The elites are getting desparate.

Bread and circuses on hopium no longer working

Money printing no longer working

Stock market bubbles no longer working

2 party political system lie is no longer working

MAss Media brainwashing is no longer working





got to get rid of the 99% before they throw elites out......

WAR it is....

fastest way to get rid of outsider populace in both domestic and abroad. pawn vs. pawn until they both die off.


BUT even WAR is not working!!!!!

Russia and China standing firm against US via proxy states in syria and Iran.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:39 | 1982126 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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A false flag then; but 9/11 blew their cover.  Go big or go home, bitchez.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:50 | 1982157 Slewburger
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Relax, Travis told me not to worry... NDAA is only for brown people.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:07 | 1982180 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Not needed- they're all in prison anyway

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:18 | 1982200 flacon
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Not even tinyurl fits in this space! That's why I left America in 2009 - it's gone fuckold!

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:28 | 1982217 Hansel
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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:05 | 1982345 Canaduh
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America peaked with the XFL. This was inevitable.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:55 | 1982378 bank guy in Brussels
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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 23:29 | 1985943 Bicycle Repairman
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Will I be marginalized?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:06 | 1981871 ShankyS
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I highly recommend - 


Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA Full Length - YouTube http://bit.ly/sx0UaO

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:22 | 1981930 rocker
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Police State. Really Sad. It would be justice if, as our military returns home they clean out Congress and the Senate.

They will find more terrorist under those roofs than in any other place in America. 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:56 | 1982168 Manthong
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A bit OT but just as threatening..

More movement away from the Constitution and rule of law..

Displacing your economic and electoral rights..

This is one of the big things the liberal socialists and progressives have been looking forward to all along:


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:28 | 1982509 Comay Mierda
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intellectuals will disappear first. im sure ZHers are high on that list.

everything you do on the internet is tracked by DARPA and every file on your computer is visible to them thanks to windows "security" bugs

you better learn how to encrypt your hard drive and browsing.  for browsing, put a browser on an encrypted USB, very difficult to track.

also, your cell phone is recording you at all times, even when it's off.  and its DARPA that's listening.  take your battery out if you need to discuss things you dont want them to hear.  plenty of videos on youtube illustrating how phones can be easily hacked like this

the 1984 state has been here for many years.  next phase: terminate the intellectuals

to all police/military who will be called on to enforce this law on liberty-loving people who have done nothing wrong - you better think twice.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:50 | 1982528 Bobbyrib
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Yes, the liberal socialists, which is why the more Republicans than Democrats voted for the bill. This is all the Socialist Liberals fault. /sarcasm.

Looks like the Tea Party is going to hit the streets again...oh wait the Republican Party already infiltrated and silenced those losers.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 08:04 | 1982533 nmewn
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"...oh wait the Republican Party already infiltrated and silenced those losers."

Funny, I don't feel like I'm silenced or that I've lost.

At the bare minimum national debt levels are topical conversation, not just here, but across the globe. A bankers and statists nightmare scenario. With that conversation comes how much power people are willing to cede to government.

= Winning ;-)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 08:55 | 1982608 Bobbyrib
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Winning? No, losing.. The Tea Party marketed themselves as Constitutionalist and majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives just voted for one the most unConstitutional (if not the most) bills ever to make it to Congress. You can talk about the national debt levels all you, before Obama became President it was quite obvious the US was going to default in some way on their debt and they still will. Big win for the Tea Party. /sarcasm.

I would have more respect for the Tea Party if they weren't a bunch of partisan fools who root for one side and curse the other. If this bill passes, all we lose are our basic rights, but they're only rights, right?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:36 | 1985457 nmewn
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It was tucked inside a Defense Appropriations Bill.

Its how they get bullshit like this through, same with pork spending. You should read it. As I said, the Levin-McCain amendment should have never been put in (made a part of) the entire Defense Appropriations Bill.

Your logic of how this winds up being a reflection on the TP is beyond me. Could it be that your partisanship is showing just a bit?...lol.

"If this bill passes, all we lose are our basic rights, but they're only rights, right?"

The only way this Bill can become law is if >>>Obama<<< signs it. He is the one you should be addressing now. Not some manufactured boogeyman in your mind called the TP. Its called checks and balances.

You should brush up on the Constitution before you accuse others of supporting "one the most unConstitutional (if not the most) bills ever to make it to Congress."...whatever the hell that means.

Nothing comes TO Congress to be voted on up or down. All spending starts in the House. This is a spending bill. The President can submit a proposal (commonly called a budget) or the Senate can submit a proposal. But they are just that...proposed budgets. The House was setup to be for and of the people to counter balance the spend happy executive branch and those peacocks in the Senate.

Collectively, Congress is the House & Senate. The term Congress means both of these chambers.

Clearly you are young, as I have noticed civics classes are no longer taught in government schools.

You're welcome for this condensed lesson Bobbyrib. Given to you free, by TP ;-)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 22:22 | 1985857 Bobbyrib
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The bill was being discussed for weeks on this site. I'm willing to bet the politicians who voted for the bill knew what they were voting for. You think the members of the House of Representatives were ignorant that they were about to vote to strip the rights of individuals from them? Please.

They should have voted the bill down. Everyone knows the funding of our military is a very important issue to the country and politicians don't really mess with the process of funding the military. See Bush's campaign into Iraq after it was proven he lied about the WMD's. The Democrats still funded the War in Iraq.

I do think both parties are to blame. The Senate will most likely sign it into law next week and the word from the press is that Obama will sign it into law.

How is this not a reflection of the Tea Party? It's a poor representation of everyone in the country. I chose to point out the TP, because they are a bunch of phony, Republican, partisan douchebags who have no problem supporting their party line, while rallying against "socialism." I wonder if they know what supporting the agricultural subsidies, social security, and medicare amount to? The bill only passed the House of Representatives, so it has not gotten to the point where the Democrats even passed it, which is why I singled out the TP. As I said the bill is one of the most unConstitutional bills ever to be brought to Congress and I have not heard of one protest, or news peice (other than Rand Paul) condemning the bill.

Thanks for the history/civics lesson though.


You sure showed me. /sarcasm.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:50 | 1982009 ShankyS
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"You Don’t HAVE to Lock up Joey For The Rest Of His Life Because He Called You A Mean Name, But You CAN Lock Him Away And Throw Away The Key And Then Falsely Accuse Him Of Being a Suspected Bad Guy If It Would Make You Happy"

Explaining to a 5-Year Old Why the Indefinite Detention Bill DOES Apply to U.S. Citizens on U.S. Soil http://bit.ly/tHlRX7

Nice of GW to repost this. I suggest you read that as well. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:57 | 1982032 ShankyS
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Sen. Rand Paul Speaks on the Senate Floor on Defense Authorization Act - 11/29/11 - YouTube http://bit.ly/sn6bA4

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:44 | 1982087 ShankyS
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"Despite reports that Obama is planning to veto the National Defense Authorization Act, Senator Carl Levin has revealed it was the administration itself that lobbied to remove language from the bill that would have protected American citizens from being detained indefinitely without trial." See it spoken in the floor in video -  


Obama Administration Demanded Power To Indefinitely Detain U.S. Citizens http://bit.ly/sn7joU

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:45 | 1982144 ShankyS
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Better late than never? 


40 Members of Congress Protest ‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill http://bit.ly/tK8TkF

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:54 | 1982020 European American
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I wonder how this is going to play out in terms of what it might take to be perceived as crossing over the line, i.e. what would be needed to get their attention? Posting here?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:27 | 1982100 passwordis
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 You're crazy!

The next thing you're going to tell us is the Jews run Hollywood, the publishing industry, the music industry and the news media and thus have complete control of the airwaves. Well do us a favor and save your anti Semitic views because I personally contacted the following people...

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited


....and every last one of them assured me that Jews do not control the media.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 05:42 | 1982447 Yellow Tang
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Indeed.  Please offer a similar list to expunge the anti-semitism in the banking sector.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:57 | 1984475 passwordis
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Ok but I'm only doing this in the name of fighting antisemitism.



1) Ben Shalom Bernanke: Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2020.

2) Donald L. Kohn: Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2016.

3) Randall S. Kroszner: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve.

4) Frederic S. Mishkin: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2014.

5) Alan Greenspan: Advisor to Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Recent Chairman


 In order to present a balanced picture I have intentionally not mentioned the fact that all 12 federal reserve banks in America are headed by Jewish presidents.  


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:29 | 1982103 passwordis
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Double post.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:22 | 1982302 CompassionateFascist
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True. And now, all, stop whining and arm yourselves. We are within sight of Concord Bridge.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:43 | 1981777 Real Money Wins
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Weep for those who for generation's have sacrificed their blood , sweat and tears for our Freedom and Liberty as their sacrifice has been in Vain! The Tree of Liberty has been cut down by its roots.

On this Day Freedom and Liberty has ended not by the sound of terrible war but by the sound of thunderous applause in Congress.

A storm is coming, dark and terrible and with it death and destruction.

God Help us all, for no one else will.

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