"Guantánamo Forever?" - Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA

Tyler Durden's picture

Congress just passed the National Defense Authorization Act in a 283-to-136 vote. 190 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted for; 43 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted "against." Prepare to be arrested, without charge, simply because someone "up there" believes you engage in "terroristy" stuff. Good luck proving them wrong.

From Reuters:

The U.S. House of Representatives approved a defense bill on Wednesday requiring the military to handle suspected militants linked to al Qaeda, acting not long after President Barack Obama removed a veto threat from the controversial legislation.


The bill is expected to pass the Senate this week and then go to Obama's desk for his signature into law.


Shortly before the House vote, the White House announced the president's advisers would not recommend a veto, although they said they still had concerns about the measure.


The measure also imposes new sanctions against Iran's central bank and pre-emptively freezes some aid to Pakistan.

And CNN:

The White House lifted a veto threat against a giant $662 billion defense authorization bill on Wednesday after legislators made changes in language involving detainees.


In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States.


A statement by White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the changes mean that President Obama's advisers will not recommend a veto. The measure is expected to come up for votes in the House and Senate this week.


Democrats to offer changes to payroll tax cut proposal


At issue was the president's authority in deciding whether people detained in terrorism investigations would be held in military or civilian custody.


Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the legislation includes a "national security waiver" that allows the president to transfer a suspect from military to civilian custody if he chooses.

Swell, in other words it won't be a colonel pulling your nails out... it will be some spook in a grey coat.

And now, for an opinion:

Guantánamo Forever? via the NYT

Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.

IN his inaugural address, President Obama called on us to “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.” We agree. Now, to protect both, he must veto the National Defense Authorization Act that Congress is expected to pass this week.

This budget bill — which can be vetoed without cutting financing for our troops — is both misguided and unnecessary: the president already has the power and flexibility to effectively fight terrorism.

One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past. Some claim that this provision would merely codify existing practice. Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States — and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.

A second provision would mandate military custody for most terrorism suspects. It would force on the military responsibilities it hasn’t sought. This would violate not only the spirit of the post-Reconstruction act limiting the use of the armed forces for domestic law enforcement but also our trust with service members, who enlist believing that they will never be asked to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. It would sideline the work of the F.B.I. and local law enforcement agencies in domestic counterterrorism. These agencies have collected invaluable intelligence because the criminal justice system — unlike indefinite military detention — gives suspects incentives to cooperate.

Mandatory military custody would reduce, if not eliminate, the role of federal courts in terrorism cases. Since 9/11, the shaky, untested military commissions have convicted only six people on terror-related charges, compared with more than 400 in the civilian courts.

A third provision would further extend a ban on transfers from Guantánamo, ensuring that this morally and financially expensive symbol of detainee abuse will remain open well into the future. Not only would this bolster Al Qaeda’s recruiting efforts, it also would make it nearly impossible to transfer 88 men (of the 171 held there) who have been cleared for release. We should be moving to shut Guantánamo, not extend it.

Having served various administrations, we know that politicians of both parties love this country and want to keep it safe. But right now some in Congress are all too willing to undermine our ideals in the name of fighting terrorism. They should remember that American ideals are assets, not liabilities.

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Chuck Norris's picture

How does that line in Star Wars Revenge of the Sith go? 


Something to the effect of watching the republic turn into the empire to the cheers of millions....

redpill's picture

Third trimester abortion of justice, and mangled lady liberty is left to die in the janitor closet.

blu's picture

Ouch. That was an ugly visual, but it worked.

redpill's picture

I thought it came up a buy short actually. Fucking fascists.

DarkestPhoenix's picture

That sounds an aaaaaaaawful lot like "sell short".  And we all know those damn short sellers are responsible for breaking the market.  We'll need to take you in for some questioning, bitch.

MsCreant's picture

Terrorist. Bet there are guns and stored food involved too.

Kitler's picture

That would be a bet you would win. The prize is an all expenses paid trip to Club Dread in Cuba. The 'catch' is that it's one way.


Caviar Emptor's picture

Did you say terrorist or tourist? Some people make it sound the same. Are tourists going to be arrested too? 

Kitler's picture

Depends. Do they have maps or cameras?

If so please immediately notify the Department of Homeland Security.

i-dog's picture

 ... "a date which will live in infamy".


Cheesy Bastard's picture

I am having trouble focusing.  Maybe I will wind up in a place where I will learn how to sharpen my thinking.  Some kind of camp, maybe, where I could learn to concentrate...

ZerOhead's picture

Perhaps even become an intern?

clymer's picture

I feel sick. Heartbroken. It's one thing to see congress rifle through legislation where there is at least plausible deniability and grey area. This is just an out-in-the-open, affront on American Constitutional Law. Nauseating

I fear for my country


john39's picture

the zionists just wiped their ass with the constitution. 

Triggernometry's picture

Give me Liberty or give me...

bigkahuna's picture

...a nice rifle and a lot of ammo.

Oh regional Indian's picture

Wow! This is quuite something.

Gulag America? USSA? Don't sound funny anymore. 

Terrirists! All you terrirists. And then people guns will save them. Not so. Even now, enough people pull out of the system....aaargh.... bad news flow hardly stops!


We can change it, but everyoen looks frightened. CHange won't look familiar OR comfortbale.


Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

We've always been terrorists in the minds of the oilgarchy.  Fuck 'em, I didn't want to go to their heaven anyway.

AldousHuxley's picture

The elites are getting desparate.

Bread and circuses on hopium no longer working

Money printing no longer working

Stock market bubbles no longer working

2 party political system lie is no longer working

MAss Media brainwashing is no longer working





got to get rid of the 99% before they throw elites out......

WAR it is....

fastest way to get rid of outsider populace in both domestic and abroad. pawn vs. pawn until they both die off.


BUT even WAR is not working!!!!!

Russia and China standing firm against US via proxy states in syria and Iran.

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

A false flag then; but 9/11 blew their cover.  Go big or go home, bitchez.

Slewburger's picture

Relax, Travis told me not to worry... NDAA is only for brown people.

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

Not needed- they're all in prison anyway

flacon's picture

Not even tinyurl fits in this space! That's why I left America in 2009 - it's gone fuckold!

Hansel's picture


Canaduh's picture

America peaked with the XFL. This was inevitable.

ShankyS's picture

I highly recommend - 


Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA Full Length - YouTube http://bit.ly/sx0UaO

rocker's picture

Police State. Really Sad. It would be justice if, as our military returns home they clean out Congress and the Senate.

They will find more terrorist under those roofs than in any other place in America. 

Manthong's picture

A bit OT but just as threatening..

More movement away from the Constitution and rule of law..

Displacing your economic and electoral rights..

This is one of the big things the liberal socialists and progressives have been looking forward to all along:


Comay Mierda's picture

intellectuals will disappear first. im sure ZHers are high on that list.

everything you do on the internet is tracked by DARPA and every file on your computer is visible to them thanks to windows "security" bugs

you better learn how to encrypt your hard drive and browsing.  for browsing, put a browser on an encrypted USB, very difficult to track.

also, your cell phone is recording you at all times, even when it's off.  and its DARPA that's listening.  take your battery out if you need to discuss things you dont want them to hear.  plenty of videos on youtube illustrating how phones can be easily hacked like this

the 1984 state has been here for many years.  next phase: terminate the intellectuals

to all police/military who will be called on to enforce this law on liberty-loving people who have done nothing wrong - you better think twice.

Bobbyrib's picture

Yes, the liberal socialists, which is why the more Republicans than Democrats voted for the bill. This is all the Socialist Liberals fault. /sarcasm.

Looks like the Tea Party is going to hit the streets again...oh wait the Republican Party already infiltrated and silenced those losers.

nmewn's picture

"...oh wait the Republican Party already infiltrated and silenced those losers."

Funny, I don't feel like I'm silenced or that I've lost.

At the bare minimum national debt levels are topical conversation, not just here, but across the globe. A bankers and statists nightmare scenario. With that conversation comes how much power people are willing to cede to government.

= Winning ;-)

Bobbyrib's picture

Winning? No, losing.. The Tea Party marketed themselves as Constitutionalist and majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives just voted for one the most unConstitutional (if not the most) bills ever to make it to Congress. You can talk about the national debt levels all you, before Obama became President it was quite obvious the US was going to default in some way on their debt and they still will. Big win for the Tea Party. /sarcasm.

I would have more respect for the Tea Party if they weren't a bunch of partisan fools who root for one side and curse the other. If this bill passes, all we lose are our basic rights, but they're only rights, right?

nmewn's picture

It was tucked inside a Defense Appropriations Bill.

Its how they get bullshit like this through, same with pork spending. You should read it. As I said, the Levin-McCain amendment should have never been put in (made a part of) the entire Defense Appropriations Bill.

Your logic of how this winds up being a reflection on the TP is beyond me. Could it be that your partisanship is showing just a bit?...lol.

"If this bill passes, all we lose are our basic rights, but they're only rights, right?"

The only way this Bill can become law is if >>>Obama<<< signs it. He is the one you should be addressing now. Not some manufactured boogeyman in your mind called the TP. Its called checks and balances.

You should brush up on the Constitution before you accuse others of supporting "one the most unConstitutional (if not the most) bills ever to make it to Congress."...whatever the hell that means.

Nothing comes TO Congress to be voted on up or down. All spending starts in the House. This is a spending bill. The President can submit a proposal (commonly called a budget) or the Senate can submit a proposal. But they are just that...proposed budgets. The House was setup to be for and of the people to counter balance the spend happy executive branch and those peacocks in the Senate.

Collectively, Congress is the House & Senate. The term Congress means both of these chambers.

Clearly you are young, as I have noticed civics classes are no longer taught in government schools.

You're welcome for this condensed lesson Bobbyrib. Given to you free, by TP ;-)

Bobbyrib's picture

The bill was being discussed for weeks on this site. I'm willing to bet the politicians who voted for the bill knew what they were voting for. You think the members of the House of Representatives were ignorant that they were about to vote to strip the rights of individuals from them? Please.

They should have voted the bill down. Everyone knows the funding of our military is a very important issue to the country and politicians don't really mess with the process of funding the military. See Bush's campaign into Iraq after it was proven he lied about the WMD's. The Democrats still funded the War in Iraq.

I do think both parties are to blame. The Senate will most likely sign it into law next week and the word from the press is that Obama will sign it into law.

How is this not a reflection of the Tea Party? It's a poor representation of everyone in the country. I chose to point out the TP, because they are a bunch of phony, Republican, partisan douchebags who have no problem supporting their party line, while rallying against "socialism." I wonder if they know what supporting the agricultural subsidies, social security, and medicare amount to? The bill only passed the House of Representatives, so it has not gotten to the point where the Democrats even passed it, which is why I singled out the TP. As I said the bill is one of the most unConstitutional bills ever to be brought to Congress and I have not heard of one protest, or news peice (other than Rand Paul) condemning the bill.

Thanks for the history/civics lesson though.


You sure showed me. /sarcasm.

ShankyS's picture

"You Don’t HAVE to Lock up Joey For The Rest Of His Life Because He Called You A Mean Name, But You CAN Lock Him Away And Throw Away The Key And Then Falsely Accuse Him Of Being a Suspected Bad Guy If It Would Make You Happy"

Explaining to a 5-Year Old Why the Indefinite Detention Bill DOES Apply to U.S. Citizens on U.S. Soil http://bit.ly/tHlRX7

Nice of GW to repost this. I suggest you read that as well. 

ShankyS's picture

Sen. Rand Paul Speaks on the Senate Floor on Defense Authorization Act - 11/29/11 - YouTube http://bit.ly/sn6bA4

ShankyS's picture

"Despite reports that Obama is planning to veto the National Defense Authorization Act, Senator Carl Levin has revealed it was the administration itself that lobbied to remove language from the bill that would have protected American citizens from being detained indefinitely without trial." See it spoken in the floor in video -  


Obama Administration Demanded Power To Indefinitely Detain U.S. Citizens http://bit.ly/sn7joU

ShankyS's picture

Better late than never? 


40 Members of Congress Protest ‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill http://bit.ly/tK8TkF

European American's picture

I wonder how this is going to play out in terms of what it might take to be perceived as crossing over the line, i.e. what would be needed to get their attention? Posting here?

passwordis's picture

 You're crazy!

The next thing you're going to tell us is the Jews run Hollywood, the publishing industry, the music industry and the news media and thus have complete control of the airwaves. Well do us a favor and save your anti Semitic views because I personally contacted the following people...

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited


....and every last one of them assured me that Jews do not control the media.


Yellow Tang's picture

Indeed.  Please offer a similar list to expunge the anti-semitism in the banking sector.

passwordis's picture

Ok but I'm only doing this in the name of fighting antisemitism.



1) Ben Shalom Bernanke: Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2020.

2) Donald L. Kohn: Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2016.

3) Randall S. Kroszner: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve.

4) Frederic S. Mishkin: Member of Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Term ends 2014.

5) Alan Greenspan: Advisor to Board of Governors of Federal Reserve. Recent Chairman


 In order to present a balanced picture I have intentionally not mentioned the fact that all 12 federal reserve banks in America are headed by Jewish presidents.  


CompassionateFascist's picture

True. And now, all, stop whining and arm yourselves. We are within sight of Concord Bridge.

Real Money Wins's picture

Weep for those who for generation's have sacrificed their blood , sweat and tears for our Freedom and Liberty as their sacrifice has been in Vain! The Tree of Liberty has been cut down by its roots.

On this Day Freedom and Liberty has ended not by the sound of terrible war but by the sound of thunderous applause in Congress.

A storm is coming, dark and terrible and with it death and destruction.

God Help us all, for no one else will.