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"Guantánamo Forever?" - Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA
Congress just passed the National Defense Authorization Act in a 283-to-136 vote. 190 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted for; 43 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted "against." Prepare to be arrested, without charge, simply because someone "up there" believes you engage in "terroristy" stuff. Good luck proving them wrong.
From Reuters:
The U.S. House of Representatives approved a defense bill on Wednesday requiring the military to handle suspected militants linked to al Qaeda, acting not long after President Barack Obama removed a veto threat from the controversial legislation.
The bill is expected to pass the Senate this week and then go to Obama's desk for his signature into law.
Shortly before the House vote, the White House announced the president's advisers would not recommend a veto, although they said they still had concerns about the measure.
The measure also imposes new sanctions against Iran's central bank and pre-emptively freezes some aid to Pakistan.
And CNN:
The White House lifted a veto threat against a giant $662 billion defense authorization bill on Wednesday after legislators made changes in language involving detainees.
In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States.
A statement by White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the changes mean that President Obama's advisers will not recommend a veto. The measure is expected to come up for votes in the House and Senate this week.
Democrats to offer changes to payroll tax cut proposal
At issue was the president's authority in deciding whether people detained in terrorism investigations would be held in military or civilian custody.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the legislation includes a "national security waiver" that allows the president to transfer a suspect from military to civilian custody if he chooses.
Swell, in other words it won't be a colonel pulling your nails out... it will be some spook in a grey coat.
And now, for an opinion:
Guantánamo Forever? via the NYT
Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.
IN his inaugural address, President Obama called on us to “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.” We agree. Now, to protect both, he must veto the National Defense Authorization Act that Congress is expected to pass this week.
This budget bill — which can be vetoed without cutting financing for our troops — is both misguided and unnecessary: the president already has the power and flexibility to effectively fight terrorism.
One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past. Some claim that this provision would merely codify existing practice. Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States — and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.
A second provision would mandate military custody for most terrorism suspects. It would force on the military responsibilities it hasn’t sought. This would violate not only the spirit of the post-Reconstruction act limiting the use of the armed forces for domestic law enforcement but also our trust with service members, who enlist believing that they will never be asked to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. It would sideline the work of the F.B.I. and local law enforcement agencies in domestic counterterrorism. These agencies have collected invaluable intelligence because the criminal justice system — unlike indefinite military detention — gives suspects incentives to cooperate.
Mandatory military custody would reduce, if not eliminate, the role of federal courts in terrorism cases. Since 9/11, the shaky, untested military commissions have convicted only six people on terror-related charges, compared with more than 400 in the civilian courts.
A third provision would further extend a ban on transfers from Guantánamo, ensuring that this morally and financially expensive symbol of detainee abuse will remain open well into the future. Not only would this bolster Al Qaeda’s recruiting efforts, it also would make it nearly impossible to transfer 88 men (of the 171 held there) who have been cleared for release. We should be moving to shut Guantánamo, not extend it.
Having served various administrations, we know that politicians of both parties love this country and want to keep it safe. But right now some in Congress are all too willing to undermine our ideals in the name of fighting terrorism. They should remember that American ideals are assets, not liabilities.
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Not to worry. Active military contribute more to Ron Paul than to all other candidates combined. They know what's going on. The problem is whether their fascist leaders will let them board homebound planes...because...because...blue helmets are coming to Amerika.
Blue helmets in Amerika is guaranteed to incite armed revolt.
Blue helmets make good targets.
Amen!...bullets bitchez...lots of em.
I fear that the number of people in the Matrix far outnumbers those of us who have taken the Red Pill.
The people hooked into the Matrix, and the operators of it, will do anything and everything to stay in it and keep it running.
5% took down the Brits. We have the numbers!
never forget that
"Janet you can have my gun, bullets first!"
If there is a full blown rebellion in America this is what it will look like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-m_QdeIHfY
Antiseptic. THIS is more like it, @http://youtube.com/watch?v=bu_pkBamDMs
+1000 I have to buy that movie.
Learn how to hunt???learn how to run at a sustained anaerobic rate for two hours and put twenty miles at night over rough terrain between you and FEMA
not sure if you have seen those flir videos from Afganistan, but its pretty hard to outrun 20mm incoming rounds :(
Rough terrain at night is all the help you'll have,didn't say it's what you'll need.
"So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause"
Dear Sir,
Please allow me to convey the regards from Mr. Plinkett.
Kind Regards,
“A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated the warning; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke.”
? Søren Kierkegaard, Either/Or, Part I
Yeah... the day they passed the Patriot Act... and now this.
"This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause ". Luke's mom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNAHjsAnTd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8
Not sure if anyone is actually cheering this one.
You can hear the "yes we can" chant amoung the cheering of Papltien's speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp069Y_P-9M
this is how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause.
Stranger than fiction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NYCuZlteNE
Junk if you want. Wanted to get this near the top. Anyone following this that has some comments:
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny
As I posted elsewhere, this is a classic long con. Fulford is steping up his game to cash in by way of fraud.
Don't get me wrong, I love his stories and I'm sure he will clean house on this one.
http://www.quatloos.com/morganthau_bonds.htm
They're recycling the particulars of this scam from 10 years ago... the whole saga is a smokescreen to bilk a few unsuspecting investors with an "inside angle" into buying fake bonds.
If it walks like horse shit and talks like horse shit, it's horse shit. But truly this isn't even horse shit. It's a back story in creation to facilitate a con job, Not worthy of zerohedge...
Agreed.
The guy is delusional also.
Classic paranoid delusional disorder.
So this predates the Leo Wanta thing?
pods
Thanks man for the feedback.
Guys,Do read this.this could be big.
In its review of Gold Warriors: America's Secret Recovery of Yamashita's Gold (one of the alleged gold hoards talked about here), which dealt with allegations that post World War II the CIA had misappropriated billions of dollars of Japanese war loot, BBC History Magazine noted that whilst "numerous gaps remain.... this is an important story, with far-reaching implications, that deserves to receive further attention".
Brutus: Only tyrants need to worry about tyrant killers!
"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." Thomas Jefferson
So this is how Democracy dies.... to thunderous applause
"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme
Good to see you Norsky!
ZH is on a DHS shit list now!
now ?
TD gets some Xmas love on this video! This is classic.
Zerohedge Silver Bells video
Merry Christmas to… ya’ll.
God Bless You, One and All!
Happy New Fiat Free Year!!!
…that was a nice Holiday cheer. ;-)
Scotch and Silver!
Instant Classic!
The cost of war .. vote Ron Paul and stop this nonsense.
"So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause."
Can you imagine the howls if Bush had brought this legislation?
Chuck, Amazing I saw it the other day. It was Queen Amadala (Natalie Portman) who said it.
Senator Amidala: "This is how freedom dies....to thunderous applause" Something like that.
Palpatine: "I love democracy, I love the Republic. This power you have vested in me, will be put down when the crisis is ended.
Later...
"Commander Coty, prepare to execute order 66"
<incessant cackling>
nvm
"So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause."
Not just unconstitutional but ANTI-constitutional?
eh ... deleted after reconsideration.
Yeah! It's working already.
Can we officially take down the Statue of Liberty now?
No, I think black ops has plans for that to celebrate next fourth of July. Gee, I wonder who they'll blame it on this time Bubba?!
Sorry, it was rehypothecated from the French
She's getting a complete renovation, with a dark goth theme, and will be renamed 'Dominatrix of Oppression,' and is going to be re-unveiled on December 21, 2012.
There's a rumor that the torch is to be replaced with a Taser or Waterboard.
she ?
Lady Liberty, soon to be renamed Nikki Nightshade.
I noticed your name changes with every entry. Just wondering if you have a automated way of doing this or are you changing your profile each time? In any case I thought it was kind of cool !
BTW how long Cuba will allow them to use Gitmo? 1 year, 5 years?
Cuba has NO CHOICE in the matter.
The US Military will crush them if they refuse.
EPIC - thanks POTUS - sock puppet Obama.
Fucking Awsome. Thats the best news i heard all year.
Now i just need some high priced attorneys who practice Constitinal or Supreme Court law, togehther with us ZH's who come with written arguement on how Americans have been occupied since 1913 by foriegn national banks posing as .....,
Flash forward to today when it is obvious that the Downgrade, the crash, and the ongoing collusion between DC and the banking Cartel, it becomes obvious "they are the terrorist". Its obvoius,
Its more difficult to prove it in a court of law,
Especially when the Judges are bought, but lets do it anyway.
I got a billionaire uncle wjo i think would yield to the cause, eventually.
Who knows attroneys that would be down for such a thing?
Cuz i can name about 34 terrorists in places of power
Just in the US alone.
And i am fucking terrorists for blogging?
Blogging isnt Jouralism? Says who?
Booby trapping my building is just a hobby......
But thanx for the heads up.....
Big sis releases the bitchez....
Blogging isnt Jouralism? Says who?
Apparently this Oregon Judge:
http://www.technoflames.com/blogger-charged-2-5-million-lawsuit/
Weep and cry out to God. For at 7 p.m. on December 14th in the year 2011 the Republic has died. Obama has only yet to sign the death certificate. The Constitution is now no longer able to protect you. ALL and everyone who has ever fought for liberty have just been betrayed in the highest order. And the TEA Party, sadly, is MIA.
PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES. I wish all of you the best of luck and Godspeed! Do not loose your soul. Help your neighbor and educate them. This is our only way out now. I hope one day to meet the guys behind the Tyler avatar and others of this community. We shall rejoice one day in the great beyond.
Proverbs 27: 17 – As Iron Sharpens Iron, so one man Sharpens another.
Good luck and best wishes to you too!
We will need it.
Now I get to be the most interesting Grandpa on the block.....I get to tell the story of what it used to be like to be free.
It's official the American Dream is dead....Rest In Peace!
Born July 4th, 1776 - Died December 14, 2011
well, at least we live n a deomocracy................
As I'm an old man, and technogically, ignorant, I ask someone, ANYONE, to post the following YOUTUBE video, A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS, GIVE THE DEVIL BENEFIT OF LAW, DEC. 2009. It was the Best Picture Academy Award Winner in 1966, and as an old man, I wish to share this with all younger patriots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0aLrrnyDhg
Can't find the full movie yet..will keep looking.
thak you Hugh! Seek youtube. The Devil Himself...Dec. 2009, and again, thank you from a tired, old man. God Bless You!
I can't articulate what I'm feeling...
Neurosis Depression Anxiety Anger...
Hey, NDAA! Makes sense!
FUCK YOU MOTHER FUCKING COCKSUCKING TRAITORS!!!
Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
Ovid
Outside Independence Hall when
the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended,
Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin,
"Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded,
"A republic, if you can keep it."
transaccountin, report to interrogation. Who was your German teacher? answer! answer!
deleted
...it´s "Sieg Heil!", not "Seig Heil".
never mind
Yikes!
"If you see something, say something."
--Big Sis
DHS | "If You See Something, Say Something™I will say this, http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution.html
"Si Ve Algo, Diga Algo™" Anuncios de Servicio Público en Español
I see my sense of freedom and pursuit of happiness slipping away. To whom do I report this to?
Big Sis.
If you see something, say something ;-)
At least if RonPaul wins
He will be able to use the new defense laws to put in prison a number if bankers and Congress.
Wouldn't that be awsome?
I hope Ron Paul does win, because that is what it will take to show this country that IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER WHO THE POTUS IS. One man is not going to fix the whole damned system. Christ himself couldn't do it. Fuck man, I realize we need a solution and Ron Paul is a GREAT man.........we're just too far gone. Ron Paul is a distraction..........there is no economic savior, there is no electoral solution, and there is no Santa Clause. It's in the bag for Obama in 2012.......and we all know what comes next. It is truly a sad, sad fucking mess.
You may well be right.
You're right, one man is not going to cut it, it's about team work! This is why Christ said the seed needs to fall into the ground. However, let's not diminish the fact that a man that stands for truth and justice is worth more to our Cause than all the deceived people in the world combined. NEVER despair, the True and Living God, our real Leader, the real Jesus Christ has not left or forsaken us. He is here and is doing works of power through His little flock. His Sons will be revealed and will turn the world the right side up again... the gates of Hell won't prevail! Get away from counterfeit 'Judeo Christianity' and other false religions into the real Christianity as practised by the Founding Fathers of America. In fact, true Christianity is not a religion, but a way of life. The mystery was revealed in a truthful translation of the New Testament: It is God in us and us in Him. He is a Spirit/Mentality, therefore we need to worship Him in Spirit/Mentality and Truth. Don't fall for the lies that He is coming, He is here! Yes, as promised, He will come for you a second time when you address Him in intellectual honesty and from within a biological container that was created by Him. All Biblical prophecies were fullfilled by 70 A.D. when Jerusalem was utterly destroyed by the second Saturday of September (11 September). This is why the false flag 911 operation took place on the given date, because the bastards absolutely hate the Godly race and will do anything to destroy it. Today we are left with mandates and live in the everlasting Christian Age! Lift up the true Christ and the Truth will set us free!
In Fed we trust +1000 Best way to look at it IMHO.
GO RON PAUL
Executive orders.
If Ron Paul wins, he will be snuffed out like a cigarette in an ashtray.
No, no, no! "If you see tyranny, say something!TM
Is having a map still a terrorist act?
Yes it is ... unless you can prove you were using a map to determine the shortest route to WalMart to buy a house full of cheap shit made in China on credit FTW.
And remember to salute and kiss the sky. The jarheads just love that.
yes...so is taking a picture that has "no aesthetic value".
Maps, cameras, cell phones, large handbags, adult diapers or comfortable walking shoes? Probably.
7 days worth of food? Definitely!
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&cp=18&gs_id=36&xhr=t&q=7+days+food+terrorism...
Shit, today I received my pallet of dehydrated food and went to the bank to make good with Hannes and Co. Plus, I received my CCW permit in the mail today. Talk about triple witching. Think I made the list? Fingers crossed!
Having 'fingers' may work in your favor at your trial.
Oops! I Forgot. No trials!
Looks like you are deeply screwed. Ball-lined actually. When they start askin'... cuz they will... leave my name out of it please.
TN, congrats...Tulving has been busy with me as well! Look's like the gov't isnt the only ones doing wires...
Speaking of Tulving and wires, our accounts payable department tells us the privately held Federal Reserve has been fucking with and changing individual ABA/Routing numbers at banks throughout the country. Anybody know what the demons are doing that for?! I am sure it is for our own safety and has to do with The "Patriot" Act.
Tuco, sorry dont have any info on that. My routing codes have not changed and I've sent three wires through to Tulving in the past 10 days without any problems. I didnt think it was the floor price wise, but really think if you wait for the lowest price, it may not be available or the banks may be down with system glitches like B of A.
awesome handle! (I'm one too)
Worms,
Welcome! This site has opened my eyes and educated me more than anything else has in my past 40+ years. I'm much later to the party then most here, but will still be ahead of the masses! Good luck to you!
yes TNJ, we have it all on drone video
If you are caught with a map, you'd better either have the right code, or a damn good reason.
Maps are mischievous tools in the hands of rabble.
Possibly. But having seven days worth of food definitely is a terrorist act. Missing fingers too. It's becoming difficult to be a Yacuza in the US.
http://phoebe53.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/more-than-7-days-worth-of-food-...
LOL I suppose I should stay away from Google Maps.
Paperz Pleaze Bitchez
BLAUSCHEIN! WO IST DEIN BLAUSCHEIIIIIN!!!!!!
Molon Labe, Bitchez
Amen brother, be sure to check your six.
Will reading Zero Hedge get me arrested?
I think now just saying Bitchez will get you arrested - er detained.
comes later....Hannity viewers first
Chuck Norris can't be arrested......
Pee Wee Herman got arrested for masturbating in public. The same day, Chuck Norris got an award for masturbating in public.
Chuck Norris's One Wish (with the Help of Ron Paul)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6efKKFFLZJs
Not arrested, disappeared. Arrested implies you're being handled by the justice system. NDAA is extrajudicial.
I am sure this is all part of the plan, ultimately. Thought experiment time:
It's a few years in the future, and in spite of denials, it's patently obvious that dissenters are being disappearred, and never heard from again.
At this point, a rational actor will realize that if someone shows up to "disappear" them, they have absolutely nothing to lose by a massively violent response, eliminating everyone who shows up to do the disappearing act on the rational actor. Such as response will be used as justification by the state for sending the disappearing team to begin with, and be implied confirmation that the country is just rife with homegrown terrorists (who happen to have no police records, but questional voting histories and write too many letters to the editor.) This cycle will continue to escalate until the police state collapses.
When the Berlin wall fell, approximately 10% of the population were paid informants to the Stasi.
Hopefully we'll see enough electoral retaliation to reverse this, or a express-track challenge to the constitutionality of this, as even retarded monkeys can see this can't possibly be constitutional -- meaning congress has no excuse on this one.
I pray to the FSM that RP wins this cycle. Civil wars are ugly.
Ugly but necessary.
When the time comes we will know what to do.. so many others who don't won't make it.
That is natural selection it is necessary and logical..here is what is perverse:
Many live without any benefit to society they are parasites..Just like non working Roman citizens who lived on their slaves and tributes from far away lands. Being paid to make unproductive children will cease to be rewarded; that is coming to an end.
the lucky sperm club's POWER OVER ALL! will not end a second too soon for me.
It needs to be more organized than that. Are you going to fight it on your own? You can't. Organize now and send out certain messages to certain people throughout your organizations throughout the country. That's what I have done. If I am suicided or eliminated, I have already set up message alerts through other people throughout the country so they can resist. As soon as I am gone, they know its time to resist.
I and other people have met with the Fedcoats in the last several months, they are like parasitic maggots. One of my friends is an 80+ yr old man. He is a Patriot. He is the largest one I know who has more balls than anybody I know.
Live free or die.
Do you want a Chinese style "freedom" or an Original American Style?
Its your choice.
People need to start growing balls in this country!!!!
I would rather be dead than not be free.
NO PROVOCATION!!! That's what the Fedcoats want. Let them bring it first, second and third. We wait, we'll be patient and then we'll bring fourth, fifth and sixth till we have won the war!!!!
To continue the experiment: think social networks, they already have direct control over the internet, so can choose to allow or deny communications (per use), thereby controlling your message/understanding, but beyond that; they will know the conversations and relations to those that knew you, meaning, if someone that matters(to the structure) would know you were gone and cares about it, they would have to create an elaborate cover to eliminate them as well, or buy them off, and so forth throughout the chain of interrelations for each individual..
If your entire social network was against such actions, then they would have to kill every link, or use propaganda to enforce complacency in your removal, they could no longer silently disappear single people without the forced subservience of essentially the whole populace, which would seem historically to lead to armed rebellions.
If everything was already censored and watched, than if you can access something that seems subversive, wouldn't it most likely be because it is a trap to gain access to someone with a higher potential to cause dismay within the system through their relation to you?
just some thoughts. paranoia will destroya.
You're right, and yes they are.
tell them your illiterate
No, only if you post. Oooops!!!!!!!!
Will reading Zero Hedge get me arrested?
Soon, Chuck, soon. They already have your name, your comments, the number of times you've viewed each page, and the names of all your friends.
One of these days they'll decide to use it all. My guess is 2013.
No, getting arrested will get Chuck Norrised.
We need the names of the terrorists who voted for this.
I'll second that!
Sad indeed. We are all screwed no matter what the Fed does. Not we have the idiots in the congress who are adding fuel to the fire.
And to those who did vote for it, send a copy of the bill (law) in the body of a message and the following in the subject line:
"You're Fired"
But calling them terrorists makes you a terrorist, didn't you know that?
Everyone needs to read the document to answer these sorts of questions. Please reference section 278 subsection 128 paragraph 51.2: "Nobody Can Fuck with Us Especially Those Whining Pukes Posting Comments on ZeroHedge."
"But calling them terrorists makes you a terrorist, didn't you know that?
I'm pretty sure this is not an infringement on my speech. And I haven't blown up anything in quite awhile...lol.
In all seriousness...the Levin-McCain amendment should not have been in there...under any pretense. We don't send the army after our own citizens, on our own soil and suspend habeas corpus.
This chest thumping bullshit (if its the same language that I read before) will be stripped out by SCOTUS when it gets there, probably unanimously.
Or we might as well live in Iran ;-)
How about we send THEM! to iran since THEY are so in Love with that bullshit lifestyle!
Now theres an #Occupy movement I can get behind ;-)
Rollcall in the house :
http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2011&rollnumber=932&TB_ifra...
Rollcall in the senate :
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm...
Good man.
I have my copy!
and enough silver to offer 1 per scalp and still throw a hellava party when the works all done!
I guess I am a Terrorist!
Interesting, Ron Paul did not vote....I assume because he's on the campaign trail (?)
Probably.
I noticed that as well.
Thanks!
At least my congressman voted against this abomination.
As a veteran who once raised my right hand and swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and yada yada...
The fuckers that voted for this are guilty of treason, and should be arrested and tried for same - in civilian courts, if you please.
I am truly heartsick for what has happened to my country. Time to rearm...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-218 << Senate
www.facebook.com/...Voted-for-the-NDAA/248343955227401 << House
The slaves lose again hahaha! And now, as with every other time, not another peep will be heard. No protests, no riots, no hangings. Just a bunch of defeated fat asses facebooking themselves to sleep at night.
Keep paying your taxes slave.
Riiiight.
You have been "weird" for quite some time, but after this post, i've come to the conclusion that you are neither a "realist" nor an "optimist"... actually, according to your above post, not even "pessimist" applies.
You quite simply are SATISFIED, asshole.
That, or maybe you're just a jerk with unknown "motivations". Who knows in the age of the zombie intanet and masspropaganda. Actually, who the fuck cares: Fuck you!
I think you grossly misread him
Please explain?
If so, i'll honestly apologize.
Was his post meant as one giant SARCASM, to neutralize everything he wrote, or what?
(If so, i'd have to say that there are posters around here, who mean this kind of stuff dead seriously. If you want to play sarcasm on such a level, you better make sure that you post has at least one unambigious aspect hinting, that it ridicules itself - so, sarcasm. Yes, i know, i despite of my best efforts failed at just that task myself recently, and got masjunked on a recent post, that was mistaken for real, even though it was meant as sarcasm)
I take him as sarcastic and resigned to how impossible it seems to change the course of this. I read the post as a "bitchez slap."
The "how impossible it seems to change this", would have been something i would have considered.... if it weren't, that there are hard limits to how low one can push societies before they revolt.
I.e. IN THEORY it may seem that one can devaluate infinitely, RELATIVE to other currencies.... but as long as wages and current usable wealth ABSOLUTELY decreases (thus does not catch up - the whole point of the wealth-transfer/stealth-taxation), there obviously is a range where people will revolt, if only because at that range it will be DEATH OR CHANGE.
And considering current speeds and degrees devaluation of lifestandards, i did not consider "no way they will resist" anything, anyone familiar with the matter would honestly consider.
Read The Gulag Archipelago to see what a nation falling on its own sword looks like. First chapter: Arrests.
Chapter 3: The Interrogation
excerpt:
First of all: night. Why is it that all the main work of breaking down human souls went on at night? Why, from their very earliest years did the Organs select the night? Because at night, the prisoner torn from sleep, even though he has not yet been tortured by sleeplessness, lacks his normal daytime equanimity and common sense. He is more vulnerable.
Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
Methinks the sarcasm was there for all to see..........
Unfortunatelly, i've seen multiple members in the past posting stuff like this, that to my judgement were NOT sockpuppets, and who in replies made it clear that they meant this seriously.
Basically, a bit like stockholm-syndrome: After one got comfortable enough with one's own enemies, one may not want them to leave anymore, else they would disturb one's own established one-way-street worldview.
Conrad is pissed.
It was sarcasm...of the gallows humor variety ;-)
But what is everyone supposed to do...start killing our neighbors who might support this kind of crap out of fear & ignorance?
They (the fearful & ignorant) need to be brought along to the concept that the first act of any government is its own self perpetuation. From there everything else flows.
This is not to say government is all bad or all good. But like any family, it will always act in its interests first. This is just how it "thinks".