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"Guantánamo Forever?" - Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA
Congress just passed the National Defense Authorization Act in a 283-to-136 vote. 190 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted for; 43 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted "against." Prepare to be arrested, without charge, simply because someone "up there" believes you engage in "terroristy" stuff. Good luck proving them wrong.
From Reuters:
The U.S. House of Representatives approved a defense bill on Wednesday requiring the military to handle suspected militants linked to al Qaeda, acting not long after President Barack Obama removed a veto threat from the controversial legislation.
The bill is expected to pass the Senate this week and then go to Obama's desk for his signature into law.
Shortly before the House vote, the White House announced the president's advisers would not recommend a veto, although they said they still had concerns about the measure.
The measure also imposes new sanctions against Iran's central bank and pre-emptively freezes some aid to Pakistan.
And CNN:
The White House lifted a veto threat against a giant $662 billion defense authorization bill on Wednesday after legislators made changes in language involving detainees.
In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States.
A statement by White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the changes mean that President Obama's advisers will not recommend a veto. The measure is expected to come up for votes in the House and Senate this week.
Democrats to offer changes to payroll tax cut proposal
At issue was the president's authority in deciding whether people detained in terrorism investigations would be held in military or civilian custody.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the legislation includes a "national security waiver" that allows the president to transfer a suspect from military to civilian custody if he chooses.
Swell, in other words it won't be a colonel pulling your nails out... it will be some spook in a grey coat.
And now, for an opinion:
Guantánamo Forever? via the NYT
Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.
IN his inaugural address, President Obama called on us to “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.” We agree. Now, to protect both, he must veto the National Defense Authorization Act that Congress is expected to pass this week.
This budget bill — which can be vetoed without cutting financing for our troops — is both misguided and unnecessary: the president already has the power and flexibility to effectively fight terrorism.
One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past. Some claim that this provision would merely codify existing practice. Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States — and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.
A second provision would mandate military custody for most terrorism suspects. It would force on the military responsibilities it hasn’t sought. This would violate not only the spirit of the post-Reconstruction act limiting the use of the armed forces for domestic law enforcement but also our trust with service members, who enlist believing that they will never be asked to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. It would sideline the work of the F.B.I. and local law enforcement agencies in domestic counterterrorism. These agencies have collected invaluable intelligence because the criminal justice system — unlike indefinite military detention — gives suspects incentives to cooperate.
Mandatory military custody would reduce, if not eliminate, the role of federal courts in terrorism cases. Since 9/11, the shaky, untested military commissions have convicted only six people on terror-related charges, compared with more than 400 in the civilian courts.
A third provision would further extend a ban on transfers from Guantánamo, ensuring that this morally and financially expensive symbol of detainee abuse will remain open well into the future. Not only would this bolster Al Qaeda’s recruiting efforts, it also would make it nearly impossible to transfer 88 men (of the 171 held there) who have been cleared for release. We should be moving to shut Guantánamo, not extend it.
Having served various administrations, we know that politicians of both parties love this country and want to keep it safe. But right now some in Congress are all too willing to undermine our ideals in the name of fighting terrorism. They should remember that American ideals are assets, not liabilities.
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If someone is so pissed, then why doesn't he recognize that:
regardless of what "everyone else does"...
- YOU still have power over your immediate useful possessions (excluding land). I'm NOT talking about PMs and stuff. I'm talking about stuff DIRECTLY useful to you.
- YOU still have power over where you live, given a low wealth buffer, and willingness to compromise.
- YOU still have power over what you consume, given enough time and will to research
- YOU still have power to form your own secret communities, unpenetrable by your enemies, if only you have the time and will to do the sufficient research, and apply reasonable restraint regarding what you let the outside world know.
Bottom line: If your goal is "to change the world", then yes you may be dissatisfied. And not to seem mean, but if you expect anything else, who the hell do you think you are? You for now have the power and given enough effort, the ressources to design your direct personal trusted environent however you like.
Are you capable of using the potential of that? If not, what kind of overkill expectations do you have regarding changing more than that, if you cannot even design your immediate life as you want?
Disclaimer: Contrary to both camps, i demand no power at all regarding me changing the world, beyond the pratical stuff i myself do in my life. Actually, i do not even think that i can "demand" the survival of the human species. All i may demand is, that i and those whom i collaborate with, get a fair chance, just as everyone else who chooses to live beyond the mindset of a sheeple. A real civilization-wide change, CANNOT be done just at the command of a handful of people - not even the elite. The current popular mindset has centuries of cultural history.... even the influential elite can - absent people changing themselves - just direct and shape it. Not even they have a magic wand.
"Bottom line: If your goal is "to change the world", then yes you may be dissatisfied. And not to seem mean, but if you expect anything else, who the hell do you think you are? You for now have the power and given enough effort, the ressources to design your direct personal trusted environent however you like."
I believe I have to the extent I can. However, no man is an island. I moved away from the city around twenty years ago. And no, speaking honestly, from the heart is not being "mean" Rynak. Its respected here.
My frustration is the same as Conrad's to a large degree.
If the people around me don't desire to be free, to live free, I can't live with them. I recognized this a long time ago in myself. My idea of freedom was apparently different from those around me.
It didn't involve traffic cameras and Gestapo style traffic check points, lawn sprinkling bans for water I paid for, nosy neighbors spying on each other out of spite or envy, permit applications to ask permission/consent on what color to paint the very house I paid taxes on etc.
It was like revenge of the nerds...lol...the preppy little rich kids became the pencil pushing regulators who passed down the laws to the thick necked jocks who barely managed to pass the psych test to become cops. I can tell you...and you must have observed this as well...its a pretty low standard for both of those jobs in regulation and enforcement...lol.
Point being...all we can hope to do at this point is educate the uninformed about freedom and the consequences of giving it away so freely on so many levels.
I did. And to be honest, i was faced with the decision of "language barrier" versus "compromising really hard, learning to filter really hard, working to selfsustain one's own life without employers really hard.... so that i may get a fraction of the group of few but trustworthy and "souldbound" friends, plus something like a low- to middleclass lifestyle that i can sustain myself".
The second option was much harder, and at the risk of appearing arrogant, unfair regarding what i'd deserve, but more importantly, way below the potential that i COULD use to further own personal projects (commercial as well as noncommercial).
I personally did opt for the harder option, because the "language barrier" was more important to me, than probably most others - it's not that i'm untalented at languages - actually, i started to learn english as a foreign language at the age of 5, out of own interest without encouragement of my parents. However, "expression" personally to me is something very important - and so i opted for the harder way. Though, at the age where i am now, my language abilities have almost someway equalized (by now, i in chats with close friends arbitrarily switch between german and english, depending on what seems more efficient for a set of sentences) - so maybe i should rethink that decision
But i'm drifting way off with personal matters, that have increasingly less to do with your post.
In the case of the USA, i'd guess even very capable people have it quite hard. I mean, even though germany may be shit (yes, i know, totally opposite to common opinion - but let me just say: the zombie syndrome applies everywhere - just in some countries more than others), despite of this americans in the current age, are in an especially shitty situation.
Please do not take this as a "safe" advice, simply because i know shit about the circumstances and details of your life - BUT: If you current location offers an exceptionally low yield, regarding what you want - not just regarding people, but also regarding atmosphere and "culture" - MOVE to some better place!
I've done it on the "middle scale" (not cross country, but almost). And after just a few years, i never ever wanted to go back again to that "slump" of hopelessnes and absence of any personal chances alltogether. I'm not specifically talking about "career" (fuck, if it were about them, they'll make you move every year anyways). I'm talking about a place where you personally even remotely feel halfway home, and/or have likeminded people. If there are no special circumstances regarding your life, DO IT - just make sure to inform yourself before doing it -at best, getting some "boots on the grounds", before doing it. But don't stay stuck in a location, that is stagnation to your personal life and agenda.
On the language barrier. You're right, for whatever reason, here, a barely intelligible Cockney British accent is accepted better than Romanian or German. Hell, we have entire info-mercials here where the huckster tries to sell his wares and is apparently successful using this accent alone. The stuff is junk but people eat it up because of the salesman...lol.
But this is one of the reasons why wealth accumulation and preservation is so important.
It affords one mobility. You can pick up and move. If there are laws restricting your God given right to mobility it allows you to bribe your way through (if necessary). On a deeper level, this is no doubt a reason or at least a useful consequence for hideously high taxation and cost living. It keeps the poor & lower-middle class in one spot and dependant on the state.
A cage with gold colored bars is still a cage ;-)
like any incestuous, inbred, dyslexic, idiot savant family
Exactly.
Its amazing looking back on the arguments made here over the last several years.
People came on here and actually argued for more state empowerment. I'm sure, for many of those people, it had to do with their paycheck. But thats self interest. Isn't that enslavement of the many (by taxation) for the benefit of the few? Now there is still more of it.
It is Us and Them.
It always has been.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with viewing any type of government as a potential adversary. A necessary beast that must be controlled. That duty falls to us if we're going to have it at all.
It is Us and Them. It always has been.
Amen.
agreed.
ready to stop the voting game yet?
NO. Ron Paul can split the Repub vote, throw the election via EC to Obama w <than 45% of the vote. Existential political crisis + economic collapse = civil war. Which we will win.
I know you're pissed off as I am, that's why maybe you don't see the message, but that was one GIANT sarcasm, in my mind. Sometimes you don't have to do "/sarc" to pass your message. We are here grown up's and we don't need to explain all those little nuances because if we do it looses the fine taste to it. Maybe I'm mistaken but that's my point
Thank you.
Screwed again by those fucking libtard republicans!
If you honestly believe this has anything even remotely to do with Republicans vs Democrats, then you deserve this new law. You might want to put a fresh dressing on those lobotomy incisions.
Untwist your panties. It's sarcasm, as in I finally found an opportunity to lambast the fucking idiots that are constantly running around tossing around "libtard." This shows what fucking BS it all is- got it? (there's no right-side up [all we get is upside down])
FYI - I don't fucking vote. I have no affiliation with ANY party. I am, opposed to ALL govts. So, you see, Mr. Quick to Jump, I'm no Party Pussy (and I have no lobotomy incisions).
Sorry about that. Didn't see the sarc flag.
I'm totally with you on your entire response.
The "remote" connection is that while Dems were evenly split, Repubs overwhelmingly supported this law 4 to 1.
So while I agree that the D v R sideshow is solely for our lobotomized entertainment, I think the criticism of the Repub "actors" in this farce is legitimate. I mean, if their chosen role is that of "freedom lovers", you'd think more of them would find it difficult to line up as they did.
Fascists all of them, but Repubs quite a bit more so.
as i understand it - in the land of US of assholes:
R: Full frontal assholery, dressed as introverted egomaniac power
L: Indirect and subtle assholery, dressed as extroverted exomaniac "compassion"
Or in short, pimp-marketing vs. whore-marketing.
Its a family affair...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Uzikag7Xo&feature=related
or this family affair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihKT9Qpu0Ss
with actors faking sacred relationships and a country that dies too young from more than one overdose
It's not even that complicated.
R: Power hungry psychopaths and the pitcher takes his at-bats.
D: Power hungry psychopaths with a designated hitter.
So, this just goes to show you the pile of hipcrytes here. Use "libtard" and "democrat" and you don't get up-arrowed. Use "libtard" and "republican" and you get blasted! Losers!
big baby....I caught the apt reversal of the normal usage and didn't junk you. I'll go back and +1 you if that'll help.
Don't get all pissy, I usually down arrow anyone who THINKS in terms of politics.
As with you, a couple of my favorite quotes:
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."
Emma Goldman
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
Claire Wolfe
pods
there is no difference between the parties except rhetoric.....they have practically merged at this point. The Ruling Oligarchy (TRO).
Two headed beast is still only 1 beast, no????
Que the Deer, that's what I saw in the mirror...sad day, it's drawrng near...
You'll be screwed twice by the Democrats. 1st time comes from the Senate 2nd time comes from O's desk.
I knew I should not be using my real name. Damn! Times like this I am glad that I have skin that is as white as the snow.
Ah. A lone wolf. The new new terrorist.
Hey, haven't you seen the DHS propaganda videos?! 9 times out of 10 the whitey is the terrorist suspect reported to "authorities" by a minority.
Prediction. This year's "Times Man of the Year" is "the protestor". Next year the "Times Man of the Year" will show photo of a white militia member and caption will read "Domestic Terrorist". Book it. I know how these demons think.
"If you see tyranny, say something!"
It is always darkest just before it goes completely black.
If John Corzine diappears only to reappear in Gitmo i won't complain.
What's the phone number to report someone as a terrorist?
Wouldn't it be interesting, if everyone ripped off by MFG/Corzine called 911 daily to report a theft until the police showed up to take a report? Think of the thousands of departments investigating Jon Corzine. I am thinking of calling it in to Silent Witness.
1-800-WHITEHOUSE SWITCHBOARD
"Hey, Romney haz food storage."
Big Sis now hiring Snitches.
Whats the phone number to check?
With all the helicopters in my air space,
I just figured i was .
It would be good to now before i drop coin for a tix.
I wll, that place is coosh compaired to the pens citizens get.
What recession?
Sad.... they spend more money on killing than to save our own people.
I had a dream a couple of nights ago... In my dream, US and Japan were researching an extremely potent virus, capable of wiping out most of the populations. Then some "mishap" happened, the virus got released to the air.
Much of the elderly people were dead and the US budget were saved because of the release of obligations to the social security and medi-care etc....
It was a horrible dream....
Sounds strangely reminiscent of 2012.
It is not a dream. That is the collective consciousness reacting to the shitty events happening around, in you.
What's the difference virus or special health care after cutting entitlements?
long canned goods
Outing yourself as a terrorist eh? Couldn't stand the pressure and you cracked.
actually, that secret was already out if we're going by our rulers' definition of terrorist...I store a terrorist's amount of flour as well...
I hope it's whole grain flour
Are you going to vote Simms Red or Simms Blue? A reference to "Moon over Parador"
Dumb fucks.
shoot 1st, ask questions 2nd
Let them shoot first, we'll be the ones asking the questions. They want us to shoot first, don't take the bait.
I understand your statement, but can you tell me if we allow them to shoot first, HOW we are going to be able to ask questions?
pods
CAN SOMEBODY LINK US OVER TO WHO VOTED FOR/AGAINST?
What are you going to do with that information?
Roll your eyes and put on a pout face?
WGAS! It's over.
Look! Linsey's handlers told her not to wear her bra today.
Why give me a negative for this? Did my comment upset you so much that you lashed out with negative retributions?
Roll Call HR 1540
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-932
Go back a couple pages on these comments - links there for house (and senate) votes.
A WARNING TO THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT and THE BANKERS THAT CONTROL IT.
This bill (National Defense Authorization Act) is a declaration of war against the people of America by their own government. All U.S citizens will immediately have the right to take up arms to reclaim their country if this law passes. None will be terrorists. All will be freedom fighters, fighting for a just society against an odious government, legal and financial system. If this law passes, America will no longer be a country governed by the rule of law, as it undermines the very basis of law itself, as a structure for maintaining civilization. When law is usurped for the purpose of tyranny, all bets are off.
The rule of law will die in America, if this law passes as it is. Full scale civil war, will only be a matter of time. Abduction, torture and murder is the cursed trinity at the heart of all odious systems of government. The passing of this bill will qualify the American government as a fully odious regime, with no remaining basis in morality. All of humanity and every American citizen, will be fully justified in opposing the U.S government and it’s enforcers, to bring about it’s downfall.
Every senator who votes this into law, is in reality committing the crime of treason against the nation and citizens of America and a heinous crime against all humanity, for which they can and should be tried and sentenced to life-imprisonment or death. Because together with torture and murder, this law puts in place the final element of the legal framework for the genocide of American citizens. “Legalized” Abduction, torture and murder, means that Satanic government is here. Therefore genocide is not far behind. No human being is obliged to obey the laws, of any odious regime.
WITH THE PASSING OF THIS LAW THE U.S GOVERNMENT HEREBY FORFEITS ALL AUTHORITY OVER THE CITIZENS AND STATES OF AMERICA. The passing of this law, will be looked back on as the day when the citizens and states of America became legally and morally free to fully oppose and ignore the authority of the government of the United States of America. Unless the ability to abduct American citizens is removed from this bill, the day that this bill is signed into law, will be the day when the rule of law ends in the United States.
Obama, you have been warned. When genuine (as opposed to odious) government is restored you will be tried in a court of law, along with the Senators who supported it, if this bill is allowed to pass, as it is. For it -along with the laws put in place by recent U.S governments – is treasonous and genocidal. Therefore, for all law makers who have supported abduction, torture and murder (thus creating the conditions for genocide) the day is not far away, when the sentence for your actions, will be life imprisonment or death.
You will not escape the restoration and elevation, of the legal basis of society, that is coming. In fact, your convictions and sentencing, will be the much needed proof, that civilization is restored. So don’t fool yourself that you will be walking away. The same applies to the previous administrations also. All odious rulers, Obama, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Clintons and satanic politicians and bankers everywhere – your day in court is coming. You think you are protected by your corruption of the law, when in fact you are creating the conditions for it’s improvement that will leave you with no defense for your actions.
All odious politicians, bankers, bureaucrats, agents and executives will be sentenced and punished accordingly, when the time comes. You have been warned. Do not push the world over the edge.
Do not destroy the integrity & authority of the rule of law, if you want any chance of a reprieve.
The conditions of the French revolution are being re-created. You know what happened there !
I'm with you here, but the U.S. Feral Gubbermint declared war against the people of the U.S. in '93 when Clinton and Reno murdered 76 people in Waco. With the NDAA, they're just upping the campaign to 'total war' status.
Don't forget the Bonus Marchers or Kent State.
Ruby Ridge
Justus
To name two more
Philadelphia law enforcement bombs an apartment building, burns a city block to the ground, killing women & children, 1985.
"black radicals" y'know.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/MOVE-Alice-Walker1988.htm
They were playing revolutionary songs over loudspeakers 24 hours per day.
If I were a neighbor I would have bombed them too.y
In retrospect, Waco was a warning against setting up self-sufficient communes, even if the people in that commune were crazies and were abusing children, which of course justified the violent repression.
I am in and ready to fight. I have had enough and this was the final straw. Do not donate a dime to any Republican or Democrat, we need Ron Paul or we are done.
I agree dont donate to any mainstream politician. But Ron Paul needs $5.00 from everyone here for the big push to the Iowa and NH battles.
Big money bomb on Friday. With all of the money we have made on Robotrader and Mathmans top picks we can afford a few bucks to the good doctor.
here is the link. Help out the campaign. It will make you feel good and part of the team.
http://ronpaul2012.com/
AMEN BROTHER!
For he who sheds his blood here with me today....
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." -- George S. Patton
I don't intend to die. I intend to win, but I am prepared to die
The Revolution will not be televised, let's see if it get's signed into law then do your obligation to uphold the Constitution ASAP. We will become a lawless Nation if it does pass, end of story.
Its interesting to me if you got some inspiration from Solidarity Movement in Poland or it's just original American thinking?
Chupac, you may have just sealed your fate. Strong, sincere words of valor may result in objectionable responses now.
@Chupacabra-322 Amen Brother!
Will this work like "treason", where you would just need two people to swear the person planned an act of terrorism?
That's crazy! No way it works like that! Get a grip for chri-sake.
It will only take the sworn testimony of one person. And they can do it anonymously via Twitter tweet.
Yeah, if you're not a Demo or a Republican you'll get ratted out...
To be convicted of treason is a legal process. There is no legal process to this. The Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta have been shreded. We are all the way back to King John.
We're all witches in Salem now.
She's. a witch! Burn her!
Witchez Bitchez!
Ohhhhhhhhh Noooooooooo
Must be the season of the wiiiiiiiiiiiiitch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwxMVV_EdTM
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."
Soooo. The Cloward/Piven thing that the negros have been working on for years is looking ripe for participation?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
Game on!!!!
A declaration of war against individual Americans who support the US Constitution, are opposed to US Govt imperialism and resist the globalist bankster agenda.
OWS was defined as a terrorist organization in the UK recently and while I don't agree with many of their philosophies or solutions, I will not sit back and allow them to be rounded up in America.
So to all you Ron Paul haters out there. NOW do you understand what we are talking about?
Your move first traitors!!!!
I'm already on their list for exercising my God given natural right to free speech, guess I can get an another one. I working on a hat-trick now I suppose.
"So to all you Ron Paul haters out there."
Jeff! Jeff! Face the other direction, you're preaching to the choir here!
Thanks Seer. We're all in now!
I'll have that reboot of the original Declaration of Independence ready to re-sign shortly. Either we all hang together or we will most assuredly all hang separate.
I'd rather be dead than not be truly free.
Paranoia strikes deep:
Into your life it will creep.
It starts when you’re always afraid.
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.
"For what it's worth" -Buffalo Springfield
"For What it's Worth"
I wonder how much of that is going to go to the F-35 project? A jet which has been in development for 2 decades and which is still not a combat-capable aircraft ... and has cost over $300 Billion to date.
Are you speaking out against a "jobs" program? </sarc>
The main reason no one wants to kill the F-35 is that they spread their freaking manufacturing base across all 48 lower states. Thus, you have senators and congressmen from all states except HI and AK bitching about jobs when you want to cut the program. Common tactic among the major defense contractors.
Trust me, I could go on for days about wasteful DOD spending, how the bureaucracy enables it and how tactics like the aforementioned ensure the wasteful spending survives. But I'll spare the ZH readers from an even longer rant.
::applause::
Communist!
There are 350 millions guns in the US.
This will resolve itself.
+ 1.
Sorry, you will be outgunned.
"The Pentagon program is getting military-grade weapons in the hands of local law enforcement in the US to use on American citizens. The Department of Defense has handed over $500 million worth of weapons this year."
http://www.disclose.tv/forum/pentagon-provides-military-grade-weapons-to...
Number of law enforcement officers in the US (2008): 883,600.
Approximately one for every 340 people. And that's assuming they're all on one side (trust me, they are not.)
"one for every 340 people. . . assuming they're all on one side. . ."
not sure how that works, given the low percentage of people who are awake, let alone can agree on anything.
Wrong! If 1,000,000 Americans take up arms the military and police will be wiped out no matter what kind of high tech crap they have at their disposal. Also, a decent percentage of military and police will side with we patriots.
NWO DOA (New World Order Dead on Arrival)
This thing doesn't work without our participation. If folks didn't show up to "work" things would tilt.
Keep on dreaming.
Look, alot of you fools have been raised on video games. There's nothing wrong with that. But actual war is something completely different. God help us if it comes to these shores again.
"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
He was right. The defeat would have to come from within. This bill, soon to be a law of the land, is part of that defeat.
Through Civil War? How exactly does it resolve itself?
Do you honestly think all these gun owners are going to band together and start a new country? Would they be willing to shoot any police officer or soldier that shows up at their door, and have they given thought to what happens if they do?
Guns don't solve squat. They are just a tool. There's nothing magical or religious about them. If you believe that there is, you are not much better than the sheeple who you make fun of.
Sure picked a bad day to sell my AK.
Buy 2 to replace the one you sold while you still can. You can get semi-auto Romanian WASR-10's (basically AKM's) for around $400. Surplus magazines for AK's run $10-$15, and surplus ammo can be found for as cheap as $0.20/round.
Yeah, well let's have each others' back. We are bound to disappear one by one.
Yumm yumm lots of mun to killllllll....................
ATTTACCK KILLL HURT KILL
forget poor, weak, old and sick.....
KILL KILL KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
That is what the US is good for, what do we want.... lots of wars... what do we want... lots of wars...
ATTACK
KILL
Sarc/off
That was sarcasm? I thought maybe we finally had an energy policy with real teeth.
Alice's Restaurant ? Shrink I want to kill...
WAR, what's it good for?!
All the people on my terrorist list work in government,wallstreet, the city of London, and all these global think tanks
Time to remove Carl Levin, John McCain, Liindsey Gram and every person who voted for this bill from office. This is treason. They took an oath of office to preserve the US constitution, they just ignored the constitution and destroyed your rights granted to a fair trail under the 4th amedment. God help this country.
I will never again vote again or give a penny to any candidate, it is time to get the hell out of this facist regime.
While Carl Levin and Lindsay Graham are flagrant war girls (they just adore discipline), it looks like someone has activated John Hussein McCain's Manchurian Candidate programming.
This should be ample prima facia evidence that there was no real difference between the McCain and the Obama tickets in '08, if there's still anyone here that thought there was -- besides which countries they were born it, that is.
All Your You Are Belong To Us.
Time to dust off Solzhenitsyn and reread The Gulag Archipelago.
The Cheka would ask the arrested to tip toe down the stairs at night so as not to spook the other sheep in the building. Usually the arrested complied with the request. It's just a clerical error they thought, I'll make it easy on the police and they'll make it easy on me. But alas, four months of interrogation later they were shot in the back of the head or if they were lucky sent to a slave camp. All to the tune of Hava Nagila.
We are all terrorists now!
So, does this mean that, finally, the govt cares about us?
Especially Zero Hedgers. Thought Crime.
In some cases that's lack-of-thought crime.
Fuck 'em. I fly a terrorist flag on the front of my house.
Stooge: Suggest you take it down. Your efforts are needed elsewhere.
Just getting eveything in place before the ensuing riots that are coming once the banking system collapses!
Just getting everything in place before the ensuing riots that are coming once the banking system collapses!
"Just getting everything in place before the ensuing riots that are coming once the banking system collapses!"
Well here is a great idea for these stupid mfer's, you should have fixed the banker gambler's instead of declaring war on the U.S. population.
If the terrorists "hate us for our freedoms" shouldn't they be applauding this?
Yes, the terrorists (CIA, FBI, DHS...) and the former Americans therein are very happy with this legislation. They might consider what happened in Romania in 1989 and East Germany in 1990 and let's throw in France in 1789. Oh, and I almost forgot, 1775 in the colonies when the British came for our guns. Time to decide what side you are on New World Order stooges. When the true Americans take this country back you will turn tail and run like the cowards that you are and we will show you the same mercy that you are showing us today!
Thought I would post this, on a lighter note
1950s Housewife in LSD Experiment
http://tiny.cc/xyuhm
Try not to get lost in the bathroom while tripping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgN7klWGJTo
I've done that before, the patterns on the towels drew me in
Because this is where this type of "well meaning" legislation always takes one:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.
the thing i never get about that, is do you really think the Socialists, Trade unionist or Jews would have spoke out for you , if you went before them......i think not
I am a jew and I was taught to speak out against anyone being unjustly persecuted.
Started getting me in trouble in the 2nd grade when i went toe to toe with the teacher because she was treating one of my fellow students (a russian immigrant) so poorly. Got suspended for 2 days. My parents were proud.
Takeaway from my walk down memory lane, don't generalize. The people you least suspect may have your back. The ones you think you can count on....they are sometimes the quickest to turn their backs.
I'm proud of you tooooooo!
Lizzy, I've tried to stay away from political commentary and I really want ZH to remain completely uncensored, despite some of the ignorant and outright incredulous claims made in the comments section often.
But we all need to have thick skin, because words are words, and a free exchange of ideas leads to the type of stream of consciousness that gets people motivated enough to get interested and involved in doing the actions that lead to positive change.
What prompted me to finally comment on the 'jewish' issue is a) just like with any other group/race/ethnicity/religion/creed, there are good and bad, and b) I have an 88 year old uncle who was among the first American Soldiers to liberate Langenstein, as he was a member of the U.S. Army 83rd Infantry Division and he saw firsthand the survivors, remains, documents, structures and other things that comprised what was a series of camps and areas that, in total, comprised Buchenwald.
I know two things: There's no way my uncle would have lied to me or his family about what he experienced, and b) no one planted a mind control device into my uncle's brain to trick him into hallucinating these events.
It pisses me off that so many people don't realize that there's only one truth as to each issue in the world, and by getting sidetracked into the who that people are, often times buying into trash and garbage and revisionism in that process, rather than the what people believe, they drive a wedge (unknowingly or intentionally) between people who want to effectuate the same virtuous things and to correct the same wicked wrongs in the world.
I don't care if the person fighting next to me is Catholic, Protestant, Agnostic, Black, White, Jewish, Iranian, Polish, Irish, German, French, Brazilian, Rhodesian, Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Argentinian, Australian, Austrian, Cleveland, Macedonian, Armenian, Inuit, Cherokee, Male, Female or . If they're fighting next to me, the only thing that matters to me is that they're a good person.
Everyone needs to judge people on their individual integrity, period, or the divide & conquer strategy will continue to succeed indefinitely.
Stay strong, sister.
lizzy36:
Hopefully you have the courage to speak out against taking us to war with Iran. Hopefully you have the courage to speak out against the treatment of Palestinians. Hopefully you have the courage to speak out against the members of your people causing chaos on Wall Street and inflating the money supply away.
Yes, please do summon the courage to speak up about those things.
First they came for the terrorists...
This is just creepy. I mean even IF you believe the 9/11 story (yea the same one 60% of 9/11 commisioners said wasn't the whole truth) how can this be justified??? It wasn't long ago that officials were saying al-qaeda was pretty much reduced to nothing...they even 'killed' OBL...yet the 'war on terror' continues....actually continues is the wrong word....it's being RAMPED up. Police State 2012. It's now official.
And is $662,000,000,000 really enough?
Some people would call that an obsene amount of money to spend on war. Especially considering the 'peace bonus' you're getting from exiting Iraq early. But I say no! Enough of austerity for the military. Rampi it up ...to infinity and beyond!!!
I see its the Senate's first time in Big City America. They obviously don't get this We The People thing. Perhaps we should hold a modest convention, and find someone who's a little better at it.
The founding fathers would be in tears, the Republic finally died today.
The Republic died in Nov. 1963 and an invisible power elite oligarchy very quietly took the reins of power. They've just been doing some mopping up and consolidating for the last nearly 50 years. It takes time to change the Ship of State's direction. People need to die and be indoctrinated for it to be complete if the oligarchy is to rule indefinitely without undue personal danger.
That consolidation and indoctrination is not finished yet. It is a continuous process if our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is to belong to the elites. Welcome to Serfdom. It ain't much, but it's looking like the best we and our kids are going to get for a while.
Man fuck all this tough talk, its Wednesday! You know what this means? Survivor and America's Next Top Model are both on tonight. The fucking real problem is they are on the same time slot. How in fuck's sake do I watch 2 TV shows at once?
Gentleman, I am just as pissed as you are. All kidding aside.
Just be sure to watch Ron Paul on the Tonight Show Friday night -- after participating in the Tea Party Day moneybomb, of course. Might be a good idea to donate before Leno tapes because the moneybomb and running total will probably get mentioned. And I'll bet that there will be a flood of new pledge after Ron's segment airs.
Kind of paints the picture that we're in, doesn't it? Praying that people will stay up late and watch a TV program (put on by, of all entities, GE! [defense contractor, nuke plant-building disaster master and tax-avoidance extraordinaire]).
We're a fucking parody of ourselves.
But the real degradation comes with having to sit through Leno's monologue.
He's dead! I killed him when I shot my TV!
I'm vetoing the social contract, that silly metaphysical abstraction never really was legally binding me anyway was it
Rousseau? Eurotrash.
You can now be black bagged at night for posting dissenting anti-government, anti-fed opinions or any other actions that a Politboro determines to be detrimental to the United States of America. They can come to your home, throw you in a U-haul and through you in an cargo plane along with the other Constitutionalists and drop you off in Gitmo. 2012 is going to be the last chance we have "MAYBE" to have an election process in the United States. They cannot afford to be on the losing side of this coup against our Bill of rights and due process so to ensure their immunity they are rewriting the rules.
Ask yourself...If all of this is intended to protect agains the terrorists who attacked us because we are so free why is it that ever since 2001 we are losing rights by the month? Next they will shut down independent media which is why sites like Drudge are going all out to splash Ron Paul on the front page because he is our last hope at reversing this. Now let me ask you all..aside from our flag..what about our nation and it's rule of laws resembles America?