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"Guantánamo Forever?" - Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA

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Congress just passed the National Defense Authorization Act in a 283-to-136 vote. 190 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted for; 43 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted "against." Prepare to be arrested, without charge, simply because someone "up there" believes you engage in "terroristy" stuff. Good luck proving them wrong.

From Reuters:

The U.S. House of Representatives approved a defense bill on Wednesday requiring the military to handle suspected militants linked to al Qaeda, acting not long after President Barack Obama removed a veto threat from the controversial legislation.


The bill is expected to pass the Senate this week and then go to Obama's desk for his signature into law.


Shortly before the House vote, the White House announced the president's advisers would not recommend a veto, although they said they still had concerns about the measure.


The measure also imposes new sanctions against Iran's central bank and pre-emptively freezes some aid to Pakistan.

And CNN:

The White House lifted a veto threat against a giant $662 billion defense authorization bill on Wednesday after legislators made changes in language involving detainees.


In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States.


A statement by White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the changes mean that President Obama's advisers will not recommend a veto. The measure is expected to come up for votes in the House and Senate this week.


Democrats to offer changes to payroll tax cut proposal


At issue was the president's authority in deciding whether people detained in terrorism investigations would be held in military or civilian custody.


Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the legislation includes a "national security waiver" that allows the president to transfer a suspect from military to civilian custody if he chooses.

Swell, in other words it won't be a colonel pulling your nails out... it will be some spook in a grey coat.

And now, for an opinion:

Guantánamo Forever? via the NYT

Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.

IN his inaugural address, President Obama called on us to “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.” We agree. Now, to protect both, he must veto the National Defense Authorization Act that Congress is expected to pass this week.

This budget bill — which can be vetoed without cutting financing for our troops — is both misguided and unnecessary: the president already has the power and flexibility to effectively fight terrorism.

One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past. Some claim that this provision would merely codify existing practice. Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States — and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.

A second provision would mandate military custody for most terrorism suspects. It would force on the military responsibilities it hasn’t sought. This would violate not only the spirit of the post-Reconstruction act limiting the use of the armed forces for domestic law enforcement but also our trust with service members, who enlist believing that they will never be asked to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. It would sideline the work of the F.B.I. and local law enforcement agencies in domestic counterterrorism. These agencies have collected invaluable intelligence because the criminal justice system — unlike indefinite military detention — gives suspects incentives to cooperate.

Mandatory military custody would reduce, if not eliminate, the role of federal courts in terrorism cases. Since 9/11, the shaky, untested military commissions have convicted only six people on terror-related charges, compared with more than 400 in the civilian courts.

A third provision would further extend a ban on transfers from Guantánamo, ensuring that this morally and financially expensive symbol of detainee abuse will remain open well into the future. Not only would this bolster Al Qaeda’s recruiting efforts, it also would make it nearly impossible to transfer 88 men (of the 171 held there) who have been cleared for release. We should be moving to shut Guantánamo, not extend it.

Having served various administrations, we know that politicians of both parties love this country and want to keep it safe. But right now some in Congress are all too willing to undermine our ideals in the name of fighting terrorism. They should remember that American ideals are assets, not liabilities.


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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:58 | 1981374 Seer
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Sorry, voting ain't going to work.  This is TPTB in charge.  If you think that they'll let the people decide for once you're mistaken.

Further, and I mean no disrespect, but Paul voted against this.  Even if he were to win he'd still be facing the very folks who passed this shit.  Oh, yes, he could veto it; but, before you get all excited to proclaim such, I'm afraid to say that the thunder will be stolen by Obama, that he'll veto this thing: reason being is that it's quite likely all set up such that he can finally come on the scene and look like he's a hero; really, Levin speaking that Obama was pushing this?  In politics the game is to say one thing and do the other, depending on who promoted a bill and or what kind of bill it is (vote against something knowing bloody well that i'll get passed- cover your ass and look good; or, not all conversely, vote for something knowing bloody well that it'll get voted down).

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:46 | 1981546's picture

Levin said that the administration requested the removal of the language exempting Americans from detention. Today the administration is signalling that Obama will not veto.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:07 | 1981621 Seer
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"Today the administration is signalling that Obama will not veto."

Well, there you go.  It's NEVER been the case that an administration has said one thing and done another.  My bad!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:16 | 1981653's picture

We'll just wait and see. And then we'll know.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:43 | 1981774 Seer
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Yeah.  I guess I'm just hoping for some of that Hopey stuff... maybe I won't be getting any this Christmas?

But, kind of sad that one has to root for the puppet, when we know that the puppet masters are rigging it all.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:03 | 1981404 Money 4 Nothing
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I'm getting the destinct feeling we were lied to?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:35 | 1981514 Ms. Erable
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Really? Was the first clue the zip-tie around your wrists, or the 14-inch studded strap-on they just rammed up your ass?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:44 | 1981538 MobBarley
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Not so fast..the ass is very sensitive..have to be gentle. :)


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:50 | 1981561 Vagabond
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If and when Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination and then the election I for one am leaving this country.  It may already be too far gone.  The detention centers have been built.  The police forces have been ramped up.  The combat technology is incredible.  The laws have been passed.  Now we just await the inevitable war.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:48 | 1981794 Seer
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I'm figuring that they'll be closing the borders soon enough.  And, as has been hashed countless times on ZH, if you're a white American (US flavor) you may not be all that welcomed elsewhere.  Oh, and the US military machine will called in to distract US citizens- it'll do what it's been doing for oh so long now, drop shitloads of bombs elsewhere; do you feel lucky that you'll land on a piece of land that isn't going to be a target?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:47 | 1981326 apu123
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Exactly the problem, most people don't know about this bill, most would not understand it, maybe a few would but they don't care.  If you take away the oft mentioned TV shows and they could not get a burrito supreme and bladder buster 120oz mountain dew at taco bell then you might get a reaction from the general populace.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:03 | 1981401 Seer
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"most people don't know about this bill"

Yeah, try the Congress for starters!

Anyone remember that libtard Feingold voting against the USA PATRIOT ACT?  Yeah, the nerve of that commie/socialist pig.  The ONLY US Senator to vote against it!  Boy was it great when he got his comeuppance!

(yeah, pure fucking sarcasm)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:31 | 1982226 Calmyourself
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Blind squirrel meets nut..

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:55 | 1981831 Seer
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"then you might get a reaction from the general populace."

Sadly, the "reaction" will be that which they've been pre-programmed for: the lot of us (those who were warning everyone) will be seen as the reason for it all going to hell... (and thanks to the folks who have blasted the OWSers [Wall Street/Banks = bad] there will be more disfavor).

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:47 | 1981327 Westcoastliberal
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This is a very sad day in America.  I watched part of the debate on C-Span..John Conyers looked like he was totally exasperated and ready to cry.  I'm right there with him.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:54 | 1981352 vintageyz
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It is a sad day; and to think a past prisoner of war, McCain, was one of the staunchest supporters of the bill.  How sad that his own experience only translates to being a sell out.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:54 | 1981353 vintageyz
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It is a sad day; and to think a past prisoner of war, McCain, was one of the staunchest supporters of the bill.  How sad that his own experience only translates to being a sell out.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:54 | 1981354 vintageyz
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It is a sad day; and to think a past prisoner of war, McCain, was one of the staunchest supporters of the bill.  How sad that his own experience only translates to being a sell out.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:36 | 1981515 Seer
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He's no sellout.  He's been true to his ideals from day one.  He's a fucking fake and a fascist.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:40 | 1981985 Gringo Viejo
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John McCain is a dishonorable fuck and an excreble human being.

Reference his role in the deaths of more than 160 US Servicemen aboard the Aircraft Carrier USS Foresstall in 1967. He is, in short, a 5 foot 6 inch piece of shit.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 10:29 | 1982966 my puppy for prez
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The combination of military brainwashing and NWO kickbacks can really be effective.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:49 | 1981333 swani
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:49 | 1981336 Seer
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Coincidence that this happens at the same time that gold was trashed?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:50 | 1981342 alien-IQ
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I guess "they" won't hate us for our freedoms anymore.

We're all Palestinians now.

RIP America.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:37 | 1981356 navy62802
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According to Newt Gingrich, that would make all of us "invented people."

Three cheers for the "invented people"

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:54 | 1981574
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:12 | 1981635 Gringo Viejo
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Great scene Crockett. Don't even have to watch it; know it by heart. May we all be "a river to our people."


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:56 | 1981362 junkyardjack
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I suspect that OWS will be detained immediately

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:21 | 1981679's picture

To be rechristened "ODC" -- Occupy Detention Camps.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:56 | 1981367 newstreet
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Carthago delenda est.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:57 | 1981368 lolmao500
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In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States.

It just means that the military won't be REQUIRED to arrest people... they CAN do it but are not REQUIRED TO every time. It doesn't mean the military will not come and arrest you if you are labelled a terrorist, it just mean they MIGHT NOT come.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:59 | 1981850 Seer
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I think that the recent addition of the National Guard to the Joint Cheifs of Staff might be a tip of the hand...

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 10:27 | 1982956 my puppy for prez
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OMG....really?  Even I didn't know that.  When did this happen?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:58 | 1981369 Martial
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It's Ron Paul 2012 or bust....and this NDAA bill means that 'bust' is your door being busted down and/or your head busted open in a police state that would make Nazi Germany and Hitler green with envy.


MASSIVE kudos to Mr. Drudge......2 days in a row MAJOR headline is pro-ron paul...drudge report gets over 30 MILLION hits a day...this has gotta be a big push in RP's favor.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:57 | 1981371 TeMpTeK
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Another draconian act with no legislative bite in any one of the 50 states of the union..

A big gold star for the first person that can correctly identify congress's sole legislative jurisdiction.

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 00:19 | 1990731 geekgrrl
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the District of Columbia

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:58 | 1981372 sabra1
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are the fema camps co-ed, and do you have to supply your own toilet paper?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:30 | 1981497 Jendrzejczyk
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Free corncobs. Ethanol subsidies do have their benefits.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:17 | 1982078 FeralSerf
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They use the Indian (east) system.  You have your finger, there's a finger bowl to rinse it and the water in the bowl is changed every year for Christmas.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:59 | 1981378 pakled
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In my view Congress has just crossed the Rubicon.


The frog has just had the heat turned up so dramatically that he/she must know he is being cooked for dinner.


And, Obama's advisors recommending to NOT veto?? He was our last hope.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:00 | 1981381 Youri Carma
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And right on cue: December 14, Associated Press – Washington: White House issues statement saying it will not veto defense bill

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:11 | 1981892 Westcoastliberal
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Holy Flip-Flop Batman!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:01 | 1981384 luna_man
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Not to worry...$662 Billion, from where?

Proof, the CRIMINALS are still living in fantasy land.

Their scared and when scared, just react without good thought!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:01 | 1981386 newstreet
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Mein Furher, I can walk!!!!!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:08 | 1981388 SeanJKerrigan
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NDAA also includes a provision that would prevent private contractors from disclosing their political contributions when applying for government work.  So much for transparency.

Sumarized from an article in Washington's Blog:  According to the conservative Washington Times, this bill declared a few days after 9-11, this authorizes the president to suspend the constitution. In essence, since 9-11, any constitutional rights you thought you had existed only at the mercy of the government. The Times notes: "Simply by proclaiming a national emergency on Friday, President Bush activated some 500 dormant legal provisions, including those allowing him to impose censorship and martial law."

This belief is held by legal professionals as well as the US Senate. In 1973, the Senate Special Committee noted:

Taken together, [they] confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal constitutional processes. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communications; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.

So the President already claims these powers. We lost our right to a trial in 2001. The ACLU reported that the President might provide a veto based on this memo, but its clear that the President only objects to the bill because he doesn't recognize congressional authority to even comment on whether or not he can detain American citizens indefinitely without trial.

Finally, don't listen to all that BS chatter out there saying the bill was reformed or doesn't say what everyone says it does.  They are ignorant and lack reading comprehension ability.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:02 | 1981389 alien-IQ
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Just called my best friend to tell him about this.

He said he didn't want to hear about it now because he was watching "X Factor".

I feel like crying.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:02 | 1981395 SeanJKerrigan
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Jesus Christ that is fucking sad.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:06 | 1981416 TheAkashicRecord
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Was his girlfriend making him watch it?  One of those "you watch my shitty TV shows and you can get blowjobs" type situations?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:15 | 1981454 alien-IQ
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I wish I could say that was the case in his defense...but it's not. I love him like a brother...but I am completely ashamed of him.

It's fucking heartbreaking.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:41 | 1982128 rodocostarica
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sometimes you need to look for new friends but still keep the old ones.


Dont worry still time for people to turn around.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 06:16 | 1982452 Element
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When you been doing this a few years you realise it's not anyone's job to enlighten anyone.

It's 100% their job and their responsibility - to pay attention and to learn directly.

Watching some TV show is avoiding paying attention and learning, it is deeply irresponsible, and there is a cost involved.

If they don't naturally (as a part of them) pay attention and to learn directly, you can't do anything to change that.

If you then happen to find someone who is paying attention and learning.

You also can't do anything to change that either - and likewise - you don't need to.

We're totally responsible for our own development - and no one else's - you can't even help your family, those you love.

In this you can't be coached.

And as it should and must be.

How else are you ever going to know your own mind if you're only coached about it, rather than actually came to see it and know it directly?

It just doesn't work.

Any burning clarity or spark inside you can't ever be transferred to another. It is you.

You move on - water in a river. The cosmos has compassion, if you pay attention to it and learn.

Apparently that is what we are supposed to be doing.


(and no, I don't care if you think I'm nuts for saying this)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:13 | 1982293 palmereldritch
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You should have told him it was new reality show...sadly, they will probably roll out the final police state as one to keep the proles entertained to the very end...

All D-tain TV! All Day!  (Look honey, the camera teams are in OUR neighbourhood!...How exciting!!)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 10:24 | 1982942 my puppy for prez
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Way to keep your sense of's therapy.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:18 | 1981459 lolmao500
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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 10:22 | 1982936 my puppy for prez
my puppy for prez's picture sorry....maybe it's time to find a new best friend, or go over there and slap the shit out of him to wake him up!

Fear and denial does funny things to the people we love.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:02 | 1981396 Georgesblog
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This is a disaster. It opens the door to political enemies lists, bureaucratic intimidation and extortion, extreme suppression of free speech, and as I've pointed out before, mission creep into areas that were never discussed, at the time of passage.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:03 | 1981405 SeanJKerrigan
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The good news is, this authority was already claimed by the president.  So technically this doesn't change much, but it does write the authority the president already claimed into the law, which is definitely bad.  Still, there's gonna be a lot worse stuff coming down the pike soon.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:05 | 1981408 EBR MOD 0
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their time is ticking away WAKE THE HELL UP anybody you can. Payback is HELL

tick tock

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:06 | 1981415 High Plains Drifter
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congress passed it?  well of course they did.   why do any of you even bother voting or sending these traitors letters or anything else. why indeed.  traitors , just about everyone of them. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:09 | 1981422 Cruzan Stomp Revival
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This is why I live in the US Virgin Islands and will never return to the states. The USVI is a failed society which cannot educate children, pave roads, refund taxes on time (don't get me started), fund a competent police force, etc. but they aren't pussies.

If the multitude of federal gubmint SWAT teams want to come here to subjugate people, then they actually HAVE TO STAY HERE. And there lies the problem. People know where you live and you can't get away with fucking with folks on an island. Cruzans are incredibly violent/emotionally incontient and take to tyranny like fireants do to feet. We celebrate "Fireburn" every year which is a reminder what happens to TPTB when you fuck with savages.

I find the Third World under the US flag infinitely better than the land of Big Box Sheeple.

You bitchez can have that noise. I'll take living in a land of totally ungovernable (and dangerous) people any day to a creeping police state any day. But I'm silly that way.



Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:59 | 1981592 papaswamp
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Yea but if the economy goes, the islands will be one of the first places on their own. Without even the measly injections of govt capital and tourism $ total anarchy will occur. Hope you have a bunker or a nice sailboat.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:31 | 1982108 FeralSerf
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Nah -- Rulers never want to give up territory no matter how unprofitable it becomes.  Remember Russia and Cuba?  Russia had to collapse before they could stop sending money to Cuba.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:50 | 1982156 rodocostarica
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Costa Rica rocks. No military since 1948. Lots of cute chicks. Easy to get along with government.

Not perfect by any means. But what country is?

Only problem have to pay $1,200 per year for full health insurance with Mayo trained  doctors. The $10.00 copay is a bitch.

Never going back.

Still working for Ron Paul cause I love my country though.

Donate to RP friday folks. $5.00 or whatever









Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:11 | 1981436 jonjon831983
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I hope they develop some sorta... appeal process.  Didn't people in the past label their neighbors as terrorists/dissidents to get them arrested even though they had never done anything?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:31 | 1981501 Bastiat
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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:11 | 1981438 Lmo Mutton
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There has been no justice in this land for a long, long time.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:13 | 1981443 Gringo Viejo
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I am old and saddened beyond words to have lived to see this moment.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:20 | 1981464 Matt
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I wish I was an American General. As soon as this was signed into law, I would detain the president and all the senators and congressmen who voted for it, ship them off to Guantanamo. No charges, no legal representation, nothing.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:47 | 1981548 ZeroPoint
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That is our only hope now - a military coup. The military will have to decide if its oath to the constitution means anything. They will have to make that decision very quickly.



Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:31 | 1981957 Seer
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Sorry, they're a bit busy right now, engaged in unconstitutional wars...  Ha ha, "oath to the constitution" seriously, ha ha...

Where's Smedley Butler?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:35 | 1981969 Seer
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Also, wouldn't these be the SAME people who have been garnering huge profits from defense contractors (revolving doors)? And, I suspect, that that money is channeled through our illustrious banksters.

And then there's the small issue of who would get propped up in the throne.  John McCain?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 05:28 | 1982441 dolph9
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Sorry, not going to happen.  The military is the one organization that will in fact, to the very end, enforce every law on the books of this corrupt Empire.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:36 | 1982123 FeralSerf
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A military coup?  Those usually work out nicely for some officers.

The coup of Nov. 1963 appears to have been done with the cooperation of some top brass, besides the CIA.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:24 | 1981477 papaswamp
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Watch for an 'event' to encourage passage if congressional members get 'weak'.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:25 | 1981484 TheAkashicRecord
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I've said before, hopefully they have a special spot in FEMA camps or wherever for all of us ZH'ers, I look forward to meeting you all.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:03 | 1981607's picture

Meeting behind the delousing station at midnight. Pass it on.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:20 | 1982206 FeralSerf
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I'd rather be in Patagonia.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:20 | 1982211 FeralSerf
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I'd rather be in Patagonia.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 10:18 | 1982914 my puppy for prez
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Yes, just look for the barrack labeled "Bitchez"!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:31 | 1981495 Yousif
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What a waste.  A waste of human life and a waste of human intellect.

This is one of the sadder days of my life.

This is not what I thought the 21st century will look like at all.  It almost feels like history has been rebranded and we're living the past again.

"History always repeats itself".  Funny they should say that.

If you haven't heard it already, please listen to "The Ultimate Revolution" by Aldous Huxley, it puts a lot of things in perspective.

I regret to say, I think we are about to enter a new totalitarian era.  What a waste.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:46 | 1981999 Seer
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Wouldn't it be great if Huxley was still around and that everyone who was a "leader" would be forced to sit down and debate with him?

The movie Brazil gave us an actual PICTURE (literally) of what it's going to be like.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:30 | 1981498 San Diego Gold Bug
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A very sad day indeed!  Buy more silver and gold before they screw with our bank accounts!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:32 | 1981502 San Diego Gold Bug
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Tyler,  you get some love on this Christmas video.  This is classic.

Zerohedge Silver Bells video here

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:59 | 1981783 Goldilocks
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Merry Christmas to… ya’ll.

God Bless You, One and All!

Happy New Fiat Free Year!!!

…that was a nice Holiday cheer. ;-)

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:32 | 1981505 RobD
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I went and found the bill and here is the section in question:

Covered Persons.--A covered person under this section is any
person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided
the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or
harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported
al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in
hostilities against the United States or its coalition
partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent
act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such
enemy forces.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:43 | 1981527 youLilQuantFuker
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I wouldn't have used belligerent but rather bellicose. There is just no need for hostility. We have all sorts of pharma in this country.

We need a national healthcare program to address the poor lost unmedicated souls.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:22 | 1981666 bob_dabolina
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Could speech be a belligerent act? 

Can you be detained for speech?

Obama is a piece of shit. 

Can I go to jail for that? I wouldn't get a trial, yet it would be considered belligerent. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:44 | 1981996 SheepleLOVEched...
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directly supported such hostilities in aid of such
enemy forces.


so does the CIA count then?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:22 | 1982089 Kiwi Pete
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How about criminal incompetence in leaving your airspace undefended, Dick Cheney? How about ignoring warnings from one of your best low-level FBI agents, Dale Watson? How about ignoring warnings from foreign inteligence services, CIA? The Israelis knew, all vacated both buildings in time. Silverstein & his son knew & didn't breakfast in the twin towers that morning as was their custom.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:27 | 1982220 FeralSerf
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They're so understaffed and underpaid they can't possibly arrest all the violators of the law.  They just have the resources to get the most important violators (and some pot growers too).  They'll probably need to recruit many more brave and valiant officers to fight the War on Terror in the Homeland.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:21 | 1983484 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The new recruits will be given a snappy uniform: a red shirt with a Starfleet logo.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 10:15 | 1982902 my puppy for prez
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Toddlers commit beligerent acts several times a day.....round them up!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:33 | 1981506 Jeff in Atlanta
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Globalits: Alll we got left in our bag of tricks is WWIII. Iran, those guys suck.

People: No they don't.

Globalists: Okay, well Russia sucks.

People: Well, they kind of suck because we equally suck.

Globalists: Okay. Well China sucks!

People: They suck worse then us!

Globalists: Okay, then let's blame it on the BROWN / BLACK again because eveybody hates them.

People: We love those people too. We protect our fellow human beings against people like you.

Globalists: Well, who do we blame?

People: Look in your collective mirrors.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:37 | 1981518 q99x2
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Head em up. Move em out. Head em up. Move em out. And, so on.

Where is the list of the ones that voted for it? Each one of them should be voted out of office next election.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:42 | 1981531 Everybodys All ...
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There is no way this is constitutional. If it isn't then the US Constitution does not mean a thing anymore. I will be amazed if this is allowed to stand. Call me naive but the ACLU and others will line up to challenge this law. The Supreme Court will eventually have to strike this foolishness down.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:01 | 1981601 Farcical Aquati...
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I'm not sure how a Constitution is defended against a populace who no longer seems to want it.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:01 | 1981602 Ms. Erable
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OK; you're naive.

Even if the Supremes agree to hear a relevant case at some point in the hazy, distant future, how long will it take for that case to work its way through the system? And how many people will be languishing as guests of the state or feeding the daisies from a subterranian position between now and then?

Stop lying to yourself that this is (and has been, at least for a long time now) a nation governed by the rule of law; it's a nation governed by the rule of (petty, worthless, juvenile) men, where the scum rises to the top.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:19 | 1981670 Tuco Benedicto ...
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What makes you think the Supreme Court gives two shits about the Constitution?!  Hell, this year the Supreme Court of the State of Indiana stated that fourth amendment does not exist in their state.  The cops can come into your home without a signed warrant noting the places to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:43 | 1981534 ArsoN
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Disaster.  Same feeling as when TARP passed.  A lot of congressmen that voted for this will lose their jobs in the next election cycle.


Just in case anyone was up on the fence about the whole Ron Paul thing... 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:47 | 1981549 One World Mafia
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The trick is they don’t have to repeal the Posse Comitatus Act. It is current law up until the NDAA supersedes it. Once approved, the NDAA becomes the current law at the same time as it supersedes the Posse Comitatus Act, and Feinstein’s amendment is of no help to US citizens.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:16 | 1981651 Tuco Benedicto ...
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"All laws repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."  Marbury v. Madison  1803

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:26 | 1981704 pods
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Yep, but to quote any decisions prior to about 1933 you will have to convene your own court of record.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:24 | 1982305 FeralSerf
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"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." -- Mao Tse-Tung

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 00:17 | 1996586 One World Mafia
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S.Amdt 1456 to NDAA is designed to fool people into thinking US citizens are exempt from indefinite detention without trial:
(e) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.

BUT existing law allows military authority (Public Law 107-40 Authorization for Use of Military Force (cited in the NDAA)).

"That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001..."


From NDAA under Detainee Matters:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

In the NDAA, they spell out what they ridiculously claim is "necessary and appropriate force," i.e. indefinite detainment without trial.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:50 | 1981556 catch edge ghost
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We're all enemies now. Still. Again.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:50 | 1981560 hannah
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this is how puberty dies.. with thunderous apple sauce.....

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:52 | 1981568 lolmao500
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:53 | 1981570 distopiandreamboy
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Remember this is the same gov't that held over 100,000 of its own citizens in intermment camps claiming it was impossible to know whether or not they were spies. Nothing has changed. FYI Bradley Manning pretrial begins on Firday.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:21 | 1981924 hannah
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the mormans could have been spies ...those rat bastard sob's..oh wait meant the japs...never mind.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:53 | 1981573 KickIce
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Looks like we're moving from soft takeover (debt) to hard takeover at a high rate of speed.  Perhaps there won't be any additional QE.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:33 | 1982118 Seer
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"Perhaps there won't be any additional QE."

Well, then it's all good, right?  See, something good CAN come out of what otherwise would be labeled as a bad situation!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:54 | 1981575 Dr. Gonzo
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So all's it takes is an acusation? After that you get put in prison without trial...FOREVER? In Communist China and Russia didn't they at least give you a show trial after they leveled bogus charges against you so your family would know your fate? This is why we fight for our "freedoms"?

Got my passport this year. Don't know where I'm going to escape too but a passport is at least a start. Next up abolish peaceful assembly. Oh wait. Did that last month. Freedom of speech? not yet. Coming after the 2012 election is out of the way. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:39 | 1981979 saiybat
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High profile people got a show trial but the average person just disappeared.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:54 | 1981577 MobBarley
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I've become impossible
holding on to when
when everything seemed to matter more
the two of us
all used and beaten up
watching fate as it flows down the path we
have chose

you and me
we're in this together now
none of them can stop us now
we will make it through somehow
you and me
if the world should break in two
until the very end of me
until the very end of you

awake to the sound as they peel apart the skin
they pick and they pull
trying to get their fingers in
well they've got to kill what we've found
well they've got to hate what they fear
well they've got to make it go away
well they've got to make it disappear

the farther I fall I'm beside you
as lost as I get I will find you
the deeper the wound I'm inside you
for ever and ever I'm a part of

you and me
we're in this together now
none of them can stop us now
we will make it through somehow
you and me
if the world should break in two
until the very end of me
until the very end of you

all that we were is gone we have to hold on
when all our hope is gone we have to hold on
all that we were is gone but we can hold on

you and me
we're in this together now
none of them can stop us now
we will make it through somehow
you and me
even after everything
you're the queen and I'm the king
nothing else means anything

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:30 | 1981723 Yes_Questions
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and/or: they want to F*** us like an animal?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:56 | 1981584 lolmao500
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:10 | 1981628's picture

Even Hilter didn't press the Justin Bieber Brigade into service until the final days of the Reich.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:58 | 1981590 Crassus
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Congratulations. You all have UCMJ, too. Enjoy!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:01 | 1981599 Freewheelin Franklin
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Yo, FUCK YOU, Obama. If you sign this, I hope your dick falls off.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:02 | 1981604 agNau
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We should have known when Joe told us!

“I wish these guys who thought it was temporary, I wish they had some notion of what it was like to be on the other side of a gun, or [to have] a 200-pound man standing over you, telling you to submit,”

We are there.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:04 | 1981608 LouisDega
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I just drank a gallon and a half of Carlo Rossi merlot and all of a sudden i dont give a fuck. Yipeee, Im gonna die!!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:28 | 1981714 Yes_Questions
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That reminds me, need to stack more of the good stuff STAT!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:39 | 1981757 LouisDega
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Two gallons of Merlot is the bodys threshold before you slip into euphoria and render yourself to the point of no return.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:12 | 1981609 LouisDega
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I just green arrowed myself. Im so silly... OOPS, I just did it again.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:10 | 1982185 Seer
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Careful or you'll go blind!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:05 | 1981613 overthehill
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Isn't it ironic that we all might be better off emigrating to Germany!!!!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:08 | 1981623 A Lunatic
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Occupy your cubicles, Bitchez. There is nothing to see here.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:09 | 1981625 Rob130
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Dear Senator/Representative ______________. Please provide a comprehensive list of terrorist activities so I don't make a silly mistake and get hauled off and tortured for giving the guy begging on the corner a buck. I swear I didn't know he was AQ bag man. Your constituants are terrified they might fuck up. The entirety of Washington politicians have lost your minds!

PS Do you guys mean International Terrorist?

Signed, Scared Shitless in __________________

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:24 | 1981699 Yes_Questions
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Wachowski Brothers

Santa Claus

Billy Jack

Oliver Stone

Justice League

US Military


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:10 | 1981629 Pumpkin
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There are a lot of treason cases to procecute here.  Let's get started.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:13 | 1981642 Catullus
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Time to roll out of this country.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:16 | 1981650 Yes_Questions
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Time again for this, well represented rant:

The torri$t$ have won yet another battle.

$662MMM huh?


Here's your jobs bill, America (they don't care about you)

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:16 | 1981652 warezdog
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Once a few people independent thinkers, radio/tv hosts, teachers, and political editorialists are suddenly and without warning removed from society I'm sure we'll all fall in line like good little lemmings, it only takes a few to make a good examples out of to scare the heard into submission.

We're completely screwed, unless you live near the top of a mountain off the grid with a fresh water supply, then you might have a chance.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 04:55 | 1982418 Nobody For President
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Actually, I do live near a top of a mountain, off the grid, and spring water.

You left out being in a good community - neighbors always count a lot in the country.

I got good ones.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 10:08 | 1982866 my puppy for prez
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First on the list:  Alex Jones

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:18 | 1981664 hmmmstrange
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Good news is the NDAA now gets rid of the "No Fly List" as these terrorists will now be in FEMA camps.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:20 | 1981676 Midwest Prepper
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Does that mean I could be detained just for writing this? Urban Survival Manual

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:38 | 1981751 lolmao500
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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:24 | 1981697 moonstears
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:24 | 1981700 UGrev
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Well, we're all terrorists now.. might as well start acting like it or something..

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:29 | 1981718 Cheesy Bastard
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Guess I better learn this before it's too late:


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:29 | 1981720 topcallingtroll
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I am beginning to think that the EZ politicians and usa government know that there is about to be a banking collapse and wave of nationalizations.

All this dhs and fema planning and new laws may be in response to the pending bank and sovereign insolvency.

The simplest way to maintain the peace is build a dossier on everyone considered a possible threat. Round up those who show leadership potential, are already organized, or who have large supplies ahead of time.

If syria had been that well organized they could have rounded up the top 20,000 who could lead or materially support the rebellion, possibly nipping it in the bud.

My, werent those innocent days when we were upset over disclosures the fbi kept a few paper files on martin luther king and a few 60's protesters.

It has gone levels of magnitude beyond that now.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:23 | 1981933 dark pools of soros
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the aliens will be farming our souls soon

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:17 | 1982197 Seer
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No calories.

Put two and two together.  Lots of starving people.  Lots of overweight people.  Overweight people are getting uppity.  Starving people will sell their souls...

Table is reset and McDonald's et al are called in to start prepping for the next harvest.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:30 | 1981726 anolmec
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"And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls"
And whispered in the sounds of silence"..............simon & garfunkel

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:35 | 1981743 LouisDega
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Dont call us, We'll call you. On second thought, No we wont

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:42 | 1981769 Money 4 Nothing
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Thanks for the link, I just emailed it to 26,000 LEO and active Military in one shot.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 05:04 | 1982421 Nobody For President
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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:34 | 1981741 hmmmstrange
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I'm heading down to my local ink shop to get my social security number tattooed on my wrist. At least i'll be able to pick the font and color.

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