"Guantánamo Forever?" - Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA

Tyler Durden's picture

Congress just passed the National Defense Authorization Act in a 283-to-136 vote. 190 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted for; 43 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted "against." Prepare to be arrested, without charge, simply because someone "up there" believes you engage in "terroristy" stuff. Good luck proving them wrong.

From Reuters:

The U.S. House of Representatives approved a defense bill on Wednesday requiring the military to handle suspected militants linked to al Qaeda, acting not long after President Barack Obama removed a veto threat from the controversial legislation.


The bill is expected to pass the Senate this week and then go to Obama's desk for his signature into law.


Shortly before the House vote, the White House announced the president's advisers would not recommend a veto, although they said they still had concerns about the measure.


The measure also imposes new sanctions against Iran's central bank and pre-emptively freezes some aid to Pakistan.

And CNN:

The White House lifted a veto threat against a giant $662 billion defense authorization bill on Wednesday after legislators made changes in language involving detainees.


In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States.


A statement by White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the changes mean that President Obama's advisers will not recommend a veto. The measure is expected to come up for votes in the House and Senate this week.


Democrats to offer changes to payroll tax cut proposal


At issue was the president's authority in deciding whether people detained in terrorism investigations would be held in military or civilian custody.


Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the legislation includes a "national security waiver" that allows the president to transfer a suspect from military to civilian custody if he chooses.

Swell, in other words it won't be a colonel pulling your nails out... it will be some spook in a grey coat.

And now, for an opinion:

Guantánamo Forever? via the NYT

Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.

IN his inaugural address, President Obama called on us to “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.” We agree. Now, to protect both, he must veto the National Defense Authorization Act that Congress is expected to pass this week.

This budget bill — which can be vetoed without cutting financing for our troops — is both misguided and unnecessary: the president already has the power and flexibility to effectively fight terrorism.

One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past. Some claim that this provision would merely codify existing practice. Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States — and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.

A second provision would mandate military custody for most terrorism suspects. It would force on the military responsibilities it hasn’t sought. This would violate not only the spirit of the post-Reconstruction act limiting the use of the armed forces for domestic law enforcement but also our trust with service members, who enlist believing that they will never be asked to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. It would sideline the work of the F.B.I. and local law enforcement agencies in domestic counterterrorism. These agencies have collected invaluable intelligence because the criminal justice system — unlike indefinite military detention — gives suspects incentives to cooperate.

Mandatory military custody would reduce, if not eliminate, the role of federal courts in terrorism cases. Since 9/11, the shaky, untested military commissions have convicted only six people on terror-related charges, compared with more than 400 in the civilian courts.

A third provision would further extend a ban on transfers from Guantánamo, ensuring that this morally and financially expensive symbol of detainee abuse will remain open well into the future. Not only would this bolster Al Qaeda’s recruiting efforts, it also would make it nearly impossible to transfer 88 men (of the 171 held there) who have been cleared for release. We should be moving to shut Guantánamo, not extend it.

Having served various administrations, we know that politicians of both parties love this country and want to keep it safe. But right now some in Congress are all too willing to undermine our ideals in the name of fighting terrorism. They should remember that American ideals are assets, not liabilities.

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Uchtdorf's picture

Not to worry. Active military contribute more to Ron Paul than to all other candidates combined. They know what's going on. The problem is whether their fascist leaders will let them board homebound planes...because...because...blue helmets are coming to Amerika.

Real Estate Geek's picture

Blue helmets in Amerika is guaranteed to incite armed revolt.

SillySalesmanQuestion's picture

Amen!...bullets bitchez...lots of em.

Uber Vandal's picture

I fear that the number of people in the Matrix far outnumbers those of us who have taken the Red Pill.

The people hooked into the Matrix, and the operators of it, will do anything and everything to stay in it and keep it running.


Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez's picture

"Janet you can have my gun, bullets first!"

Weimar Ben Bernanke's picture

If there is a full blown rebellion in America this is what it will look like.



prains's picture

Learn how to hunt???learn how to run at a sustained anaerobic rate for two hours and put twenty miles at night over rough terrain between you and FEMA

Waffen's picture

not sure if you have seen those flir videos from Afganistan, but its pretty hard to outrun 20mm incoming rounds :(

prains's picture

Rough terrain at night is all the help you'll have,didn't say it's what you'll need.

Zgangsta's picture

"So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause"

kreso's picture

Dear Sir,

Please allow me to convey the regards from Mr. Plinkett.

Kind Regards,

Amish Hacker's picture

“A fire broke out backstage in a theatre. The clown came out to warn the public; they thought it was a joke and applauded. He repeated the warning; the acclaim was even greater. I think that's just how the world will come to an end: to general applause from wits who believe it's a joke.” 

? Søren Kierkegaard, Either/Or, Part I

CH1's picture

Yeah... the day they passed the Patriot Act... and now this.

Gohn Galt's picture

"This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause ". Luke's mom



Spaceman Spiff's picture

Not sure if anyone is actually cheering this one.

kinganuthin's picture

You can hear the "yes we can" chant amoung the cheering of Papltien's speech.

Jason T's picture



this is how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause.

Sam Clemons's picture

Junk if you want.  Wanted to get this near the top.  Anyone following this that has some comments:


jballz's picture


As I posted elsewhere, this is a classic long con. Fulford is steping up his game to cash in by way of fraud.

Don't get me wrong, I love his stories and I'm sure he will clean house on this one.


They're recycling the particulars of this scam from 10 years ago... the whole saga is a smokescreen to bilk a few unsuspecting investors with an "inside angle" into buying fake bonds. 

If it walks like horse shit and talks like horse shit, it's horse shit. But truly this isn't even horse shit. It's a back story in creation to facilitate a con job, Not worthy of zerohedge...


topcallingtroll's picture

The guy is delusional also.
Classic paranoid delusional disorder.

pods's picture

So this predates the Leo Wanta thing?


Sam Clemons's picture

Thanks man for the feedback.

Iwanttoknow's picture

Guys,Do read this.this could be big.

uranian's picture

In its review of Gold Warriors: America's Secret Recovery of Yamashita's Gold (one of the alleged gold hoards talked about here), which dealt with allegations that post World War II the CIA had misappropriated billions of dollars of Japanese war loot, BBC History Magazine noted that whilst "numerous gaps remain.... this is an important story, with far-reaching implications, that deserves to receive further attention".

Gully Foyle's picture

Brutus: Only tyrants need to worry about tyrant killers!

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez's picture

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God."           Thomas Jefferson

ilovefreedom's picture

So this is how Democracy dies.... to thunderous applause

Norsky's picture

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." -Padme

Mr. Fix's picture

Good to see you Norsky!

GOSPLAN HERO's picture

ZH is on a DHS shit list now!

San Diego Gold Bug's picture

TD gets some Xmas love on this video!  This is classic.

Zerohedge Silver Bells video

Goldilocks's picture

Merry Christmas to… ya’ll.

God Bless You, One and All!

Happy New Fiat Free Year!!!

…that was a nice Holiday cheer. ;-)

fuu's picture

Scotch and Silver!

Instant Classic!

Taint Boil's picture

The cost of war .. vote Ron Paul and stop this nonsense.

Herkimer Jerkimer's picture

"So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause."


Can you imagine the howls if Bush had brought this legislation?

thurstjo63's picture

Chuck, Amazing I saw it the other day. It was Queen Amadala (Natalie Portman) who said it.

TheEmperor's picture

Senator Amidala: "This is how freedom dies....to thunderous applause"  Something like that.

Palpatine: "I love democracy, I love the Republic.  This power you have vested in me, will be put down when the crisis is ended. 


"Commander Coty, prepare to execute order 66"

<incessant cackling>


dooglio's picture

"So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause."

philipat's picture

Not just unconstitutional but ANTI-constitutional?

navy62802's picture

eh ... deleted after reconsideration.