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"Guantánamo Forever?" - Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA
Congress just passed the National Defense Authorization Act in a 283-to-136 vote. 190 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted for; 43 Republicans and 93 Democrats voted "against." Prepare to be arrested, without charge, simply because someone "up there" believes you engage in "terroristy" stuff. Good luck proving them wrong.
From Reuters:
The U.S. House of Representatives approved a defense bill on Wednesday requiring the military to handle suspected militants linked to al Qaeda, acting not long after President Barack Obama removed a veto threat from the controversial legislation.
The bill is expected to pass the Senate this week and then go to Obama's desk for his signature into law.
Shortly before the House vote, the White House announced the president's advisers would not recommend a veto, although they said they still had concerns about the measure.
The measure also imposes new sanctions against Iran's central bank and pre-emptively freezes some aid to Pakistan.
And CNN:
The White House lifted a veto threat against a giant $662 billion defense authorization bill on Wednesday after legislators made changes in language involving detainees.
In particular, the legislators added language to make clear that nothing in the bill requiring military custody of al Qaeda suspects would interfere with the ability of civilian law enforcement to carry out terrorism investigations and interrogations in the United States.
A statement by White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the changes mean that President Obama's advisers will not recommend a veto. The measure is expected to come up for votes in the House and Senate this week.
Democrats to offer changes to payroll tax cut proposal
At issue was the president's authority in deciding whether people detained in terrorism investigations would be held in military or civilian custody.
Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the legislation includes a "national security waiver" that allows the president to transfer a suspect from military to civilian custody if he chooses.
Swell, in other words it won't be a colonel pulling your nails out... it will be some spook in a grey coat.
And now, for an opinion:
Guantánamo Forever? via the NYT
Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar are retired four-star Marine generals.
IN his inaugural address, President Obama called on us to “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.” We agree. Now, to protect both, he must veto the National Defense Authorization Act that Congress is expected to pass this week.
This budget bill — which can be vetoed without cutting financing for our troops — is both misguided and unnecessary: the president already has the power and flexibility to effectively fight terrorism.
One provision would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past. Some claim that this provision would merely codify existing practice. Current law empowers the military to detain people caught on the battlefield, but this provision would expand the battlefield to include the United States — and hand Osama bin Laden an unearned victory long after his well-earned demise.
A second provision would mandate military custody for most terrorism suspects. It would force on the military responsibilities it hasn’t sought. This would violate not only the spirit of the post-Reconstruction act limiting the use of the armed forces for domestic law enforcement but also our trust with service members, who enlist believing that they will never be asked to turn their weapons on fellow Americans. It would sideline the work of the F.B.I. and local law enforcement agencies in domestic counterterrorism. These agencies have collected invaluable intelligence because the criminal justice system — unlike indefinite military detention — gives suspects incentives to cooperate.
Mandatory military custody would reduce, if not eliminate, the role of federal courts in terrorism cases. Since 9/11, the shaky, untested military commissions have convicted only six people on terror-related charges, compared with more than 400 in the civilian courts.
A third provision would further extend a ban on transfers from Guantánamo, ensuring that this morally and financially expensive symbol of detainee abuse will remain open well into the future. Not only would this bolster Al Qaeda’s recruiting efforts, it also would make it nearly impossible to transfer 88 men (of the 171 held there) who have been cleared for release. We should be moving to shut Guantánamo, not extend it.
Having served various administrations, we know that politicians of both parties love this country and want to keep it safe. But right now some in Congress are all too willing to undermine our ideals in the name of fighting terrorism. They should remember that American ideals are assets, not liabilities.
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"Social Security" just took on a whole new meaning...
So, impending automatic defense cuts circumvented? And everyone can continue to agree to disagree forever, for now?
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/h...
Says it all.
War has officially been declared against the American people
Orange boiler suits must have item for 2012
Now being reported that Obama is against the bill. Amazing leadership going on....veto threat...then acceptable...now wants it completely scrapped.
Guess they discovered the tipping point for the people.
Link please.
Your HOPE
Obummer has CHANGEd
You got screwed again
This is very bullish for private prison stocks.
Dick Chenay has major shares in prison companies in case you are unaware
dreaming of gitmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiJA1LcL4Pc&feature=feedu
December 14, 2011, 'A day that will live in infamy.'
Give me liberty of give me death-Patrick Henry
Sorry Patrick
I wouldn't get your panties in a knot over this vote.
careful with those panties, nylon makes an effective garrotte..
I predicted this outcome in 2004:
What this environment of frenetic paranoia cultivates is a very real scenario where the government turns on its own people. As more and more liberties are extinguished in the name of maintaining and forwarding the Empire, the common man begins to rethink the utility of Empire. The fringe benefits of existing in an empire take second stage to the ghastly reality of creeping fascism. In turn the people, in the eyes of their elected officials, become the enemies of Empire and therefore must be suppressed in a fashion once only thought to apply to external terrorist. In its wake a state of quasi-totalitarianism emerges and the democratic principals of old become little more than an illusion.
Hello, Sheriff?
I'd like to report the theft of my liberties by our government.
Our last Sheriff, now a CongressCritter, voted Yes on this...WTF?
Tyranny is here!
FEMA is taking bids from contractors to operate the detention camps. And tomorrow is the vote on the Protect IP act, so things are falling together for them nicely. Martial law will be next..
i hear the winters are nice in Guantánamo
Well the blackshirts already said they'll torture us so when they come don't let them take you alive because if they get you you'll be begging for an execution. When they bust down the door take some of them traitorous jackboots with you to put the fear of death in them on the next house they bust into. How much scum do they have lined up willing to wage a war of attrition?
If they come with shields and body armor you dont stand a chance unless you use an IED, flamethrower, or shotgun 3 1/2 inch magnum steel buckshot, preferably all three.
Chemical agents will work. Glass jars loaded with hydrochloric acid etc.
Handloaded tungsten steel darts in shotgun.
Also u need plenty of smoke.
Buy it now while u can still find military surplus.
did Tyler get arrested yet??
removed since duplicated
This is not a joke.
The minute Obummer signs the bill all our asses will be up for hauling.
The whole thing is being timed for the financial collapse.
So we cannot bring to account the banksters behind the criminal brood controlling countries and the world.
My best wishes with Tyler . Hope he relocates and helps all of us to fight the criminals running the system.
It is quite clear that Banksters knew no action will ever be taken against them. And now with this act, anyone who opens their mouth can be exterminated.
Same gang, don't read link if you're nervous:
FAMOUS TROTSKY QUOTE (1917):
"We must turn Russia into a desert populated by white negroes upon whom we shall impose a tyranny such as the most terrible Eastern despots never dreamt of. The only difference is that this will be a left-wing tyranny, not a right-wing tyranny. It will be a red tyranny and not a white one. We mean the word ‘red’ literally, because we shall shed such floods of blood as will make all the human losses suffered in the capitalist wars pale by comparison. The biggest bankers across the ocean will work in the closest possible contact with us.
If we win the revolution, we shall establish the power of Zionism upon the wreckage of the revolution’s funeral, and we shall became a power before which the whole world will sink to its knees. We shall show what real power is. By means of terror and bloodbaths, we shall reduce the Russian intelligentsia to a state of complete stupefaction and idiocy and to an animal existence."
— From the ‘Memoirs of Aron Simanovich’, quoted in The Nature of Zionism
by Vladimir Stepin, Moscow, 1993, and translated from Russian into English by Clive Lindhurst.
http://www.darkmoon.me/2011/crimes-of-the-bolsheviks-edited-by-isabella-fanfani/
I've read a lot, but that one is new to me, and it is SICKENING! Why? Because it is literally coming true...if anyone thinks the revolution stopped with WWII, and that it was NOT financed by Western bankers, then they are seriously deluded.
Thanks for the good info....if it can be called "good"!
Someone recently wrote that the current conviction rate in federal court is 97%. I guess now they don't even have to go through the formality of a trial. They don't like you, you go away. Seems like I remember the USSR was much the same, although I am pretty sure they at least gave you some sort or show trial in front of the party judges before they sent you to Siberia never to be heard from again.
That was only if you were an official of some sort. Most were ordinary folks, Solshenitsyn says 66 million were exterminated
Stalin would stay up late at night signing death warrants of huge lists of people and then cry out "More names!". Obama would do the same, I'm sure.
Not to worry -- it's all computerized now. He has more important things to do. Stalin wouldn't understand since he didn't play golf.
Read The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, and you'll see that the Russians already went down this road where we're headed. A.S. says that at first, in 1918, some people resisted the unlawful arrests, but nobody helped them. This is what government goon squads do, pick off people one by one. Just hope it's different here.
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
? Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
That couldn't happen here. We're nicer than Russians.
It won't be different, just more effecient.
This is TERRIFYING! The legislators must be TERRORISTS!
Maybe now people will finally start to wonder why Daddy Bush was busy meeting with the Bin Laden Group on 911.
HOW'S THAT FOR A LINK TO AL-QAEDA?
get ready for a false flag event
Now I get to tell the grandkids a story that they will find as facinating as it is surreal......I'll tell them what it was like to be free.
Sorry, your grandkids will never hear this story. You were identified posting on ZH...
Someone earlier brought up Richard Gage who, for those that don't know, is that architect that formed that group of architects and engineers (1700+ members from leading architectual and engineering firms) asking for an independent investigation of September 11th. Anyway, this group of perfectly sane people were officially listed as 'potential terrorists' by some of those in government that were in charge of briefing the Committee. His letter in reponse to this briefing is below. I read about this in a French newspaper, it said that the targets of the Homegrown & Radicalisation Act could include people like the architects in this organisation, I was really frightened.
http://www2.ae911truth.org/info/23
There you go: question the government line and you are a terrorist!!!
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GTMO4VA
Chin up party people. Strength in numbers and all that.
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Are there any retards out there that still believe the Republicans are the party of Freedom BS?
Not that I buy the lie that the Dems and Rethugs are somehow actually different. They both do the bidding of their owners. Gotta wonder how the Reich-wing radio mouthpieces will spin this for their zombie audience. Not that I can stand listening to any of it for more than few seconds. Doesn't matter anyway.
Isn't it time for "V" to show up?
Lady Liberty just got kicked right in the fucking twat.
Indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KuD0Q8HTBI
RON PAUL 2012 for FREEDOM
apparently the plan to defeat terrorism is to elect them all to
high office and let them destroy the country legally. it
just might work! the pnac zionists are so cunning. anyway
well - with the globe being on the downhill side of peak oil - and because we eat oil - won't take much for folk to beg for a bowl of gruel.
the kill off will spare no one - the power brokers have known this for a very long time.
without cheap unlimited energy - the JIT system collapses - billions will die.
oh - rationing and martial law will be attempted - and it will stick for a while, but at some point the center won't hold - and the trucks will stop coming.
this is ordained - and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
google "overshoot" then read william catton's book "overshoot" (1986)
pretty basic math folks - and when viewed through the lens of overshoot - ALL OF THIS MAKES INFINITE SENSE...
because if you were king of the world - this is exactly how you would do it.
Cutting Medicare to seniors to pay for more military psending may not be the best plan. Where's AARP?
@ Sizzurp
That's because in Federal Court they can use RICO Conspiracy laws which mean that anyone that 'facilitated' an ongoing 'conspiracy' with one single act, by helping in any way shape or form; making a phone call, letting someone use their phone, car, computer, whatever, to commit a crime, they are as responsible, as the person or persons, who committed the crimes, and if convicted, have to do the time for the crimes of the entire conspiracy.
Furthermore, in Federal Court, one is penalized for going to trial. The amount of time that one could get if one chose to go to trial is far greater than one would get from a plea because of the way that the sentencing guidelines are set up, where you are charged with the crimes of all others in the conspiracy, racking up your sentence with years and years. These long 25+ sentences are not manageable for most people, so most plea, and 'cooperate' by becoming witnesses against others as part of the deal. It's set up to be a snitch factory.
That's why when law makers say that it would be so 'difficult' to criminally prosecute financial crimes. Bullshit. Not, if they used RICO. I mean, they could have indicted so many top level people for the Wells Fargo money laundering operation, for example. All the way to Warren Buffet if they wanted to.
It only takes one witness infront of a grand jury to get an 'indictment', and once an indictment is handed down, it's easy to get witnesses using the above tactics. All they would need to do is indict or threaten to indict the accountants, personal secretaries, or support staff with conspiracy wraps, they would have a million witnesses overnight.
That's how drug conspiracy cases/ trials work. 97% plea and cooperate.
@swani
Thanks for the clarification. The whole process sounds very political, in that we already seem to be at the point where if they want you, they get you. That brings me to another comparison with pre-collapse USSR. The communist government was quite adept at creating laws that could not easily be complied with during the task of ordinary life. Everyone was living outside the law in some way or another, so that if you became a political nusance, you could be easily dealt with by selective enforcement of some vague statute. That is the very essence of tyranny. You may have "rights", but you exercise them at your own peril.
How many people & dependants are working in the US (in)directly for the US military?
NASA, Boeing, GE, Lockheed,etc.
Soon to be: Facebook, Google, Twitter
What is the total, per capita and increase in US military spending again?
This Bill is "normal". It is what the US population wants.
Yeah, had some long-time friend (from way back when I was a kid) un-friend me on Facebook because I refuted some war propaganda. The guy's living was/is furnished through the "defense" industry. Bragged about working on the missile defense system. Unlike me, he never even served in the military.
Seems I'm surrounded by this kind of shit.
With "friends" like that, who needs enemies? That's a perfect illustration of how screwed we are!
350 traitors in CONgress with children, wives and parents that can be gotten to?
I like our chances.
We need active duty generals and admirals to come forward and proclaim this bill blatantly unconstitutional. This is not a sideline political issue... this is the kind of thing the military takes an oath to prevent. When the guns of our military point inward, it's no longer the United States of America. Our military leaders better step up quick, and let the renegade branches of government know that they will not follow unlawful orders. We, the 99% are watching, we are waiting. Will they have the courage to do what is right? The Republic waits...
That's a great idea. Pull together a retired group of military men and women to form their own OWS group and take it the White House.
It will never happen.
Instead, the military will become the enforcers of martial law on American soil when the shit begins to hit the fan. You can count on it.
Stick a fork in it, we are done.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57343287/wh-oks-military-detention-o...
Everything went out the window as far as rights were concerned with the creation of the Patriot Act. This abortion/legislation is just icing on the cake.. As Franklin said. If your willing to give up your freedoms for a little more security, in the end you end up with neither. Come this 2012, vote the bums out.
Most here don't know their country's history very well. Not only was this done to the japanese-americans during WW2, this was offical policy during the Civil War in the north, then in the south during "reconstruction". In 1862, Louisville, Kentucky, a union officer placed a local woman in a meat cooler until she died on suspicion of being a confederate spy. No trial, no hearing, no attorney. She was arrested on the word of a neighbor. BTW, This song came out some forty years ago, and it is VERY descriptive of today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc0sSAdmd8
"In 1862, Louisville, Kentucky, a union officer placed a local woman in a meat cooler until she died on suspicion of being a confederate spy."
i heard that a 12 year old kid was held for 6 weeks in a flour sack and finally confessed and was hung.several innocent nuns were tied up in a pastry shop and i dont think they ever got a trial but ended up having to make lunch for everyone...
this new law will make it hard for the restaurant industry in general.
Most here don't know their country's history very well. Not only was this done to the japanese-americans during WW2, this was offical policy during the Civil War in the north, then in the south during "reconstruction". In 1862, Louisville, Kentucky, a union officer placed a local woman in a meat cooler until she died on suspicion of being a confederate spy. No trial, no hearing, no attorney. She was arrested on the word of a neighbor. BTW, This song came out some forty years ago, and it is VERY descriptive of today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc0sSAdmd8
It occurred to me that the outrage inspired by detaining US citizens on US soil seems to have effectively distracted people from the hundreds of billions of dollars of 'military Keynesianism' that lies at the true heart of this bill. "I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SPEND JUST GET THAT DAMN UNCONSTITUTIONAL DETAINING AMERICANS THING OUT OF IT!!!" Well done, amazing misdirection that was cleverly executed.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/charting-60-years-defense-spending-and-why-mean-reversion-will-cost-millions-jobs
your right...i completely missed the other part as you waved that big gun in my face....
Don't worry bitchez - as the politicians keep assuring us, if we've done nothing wrong we have nothing to worry about.
Damn - who is that knocking at the door at this time of the night?
shtfschool.com
A guy survives a year in a bosnian city under seige. A minor city that was mostly ignored so they had it much worse than most.
If u r in that situation food, ammo, cigs, and alcohol are the best currencies.
Your gold will buy you stuff but would get u killed. Couns were a no no. Rings and bracelets were ok barter items.
"Couns were a no no."
my mama always said that too.....i plan to only stay in 'minor' cities just for that very reason.
ok so im a foreigner (not a muslim- i mention this not because i think ill of anyone but just to show that im not being biased against the NDAA) and I dont know much about this country but wtf.
Some elementary questions i want some1 to answer:
1) Obama was supposed to close down gitmo right? why the fuck is the media not fucking him over by playing his past videos in which he was against it?
2) How the fuck do they have $663 billion just sitting around like that, despite all this debt ceiling drama that doesnt exist anywhere else in the world and werent both sides gonna cut shit out of the budget?
WTF AMERICA NEEDS RON PAUL- these people r retarded
The msm dare not turn on the first black president.
In the usa it is difficult to disagree with the left without being charged with racism, conscious or unconscious.
There is extreme progressivism and racial guilt in the msm. They are uncomfortable and find it least controversial to avoid attacking obama for the most part
I hope that you're not really as stupid as you sound/read.
People in the msm have admitted as such.
You cant even draw a political cartoon without risk of someone finding a racist element in it.
Obama was going to lead the nation to a post racial nirvana.
Chris Mathews leg got all tingly. People swooned for him. He was not investigated nearly as aggressively as the clintons nor any of the republican candidates. There is a study looking at the ratio of negative to positive news articles about the various candidates. Guess who had the least negatives? The most positives?
You couldnt attack him without being called a racist. The last thing a progressive wants to do is get labeled as a racist.
Clinton's "fairy tale" comment had nothing to do with the preprosterousness of a black man running for president, yet obama and his followers jumped all over this as a racist outrage, effectively silencing any real criticism that he wasnt experienced or ready to be president.
Seer you apparently dont read daily kos, firedog lake, or huff post.
They even call ron paul a racist, incredible.
People really are afraid to lampoon obama because the race card will get played.
The msm dont want to alienate a monolithic constituency that votes in lockstep. There are many who are heavily invested in making sure the first black presidency is not perceived as a failure. They dont criticise him nearly as much as his predecessers. Do you remember the vitriol in the msm about Bush on vacation and golfing too much?
Obama has long surpassed him in both endeavors. Yet where is the vitriol from cnn or the new york times?
Rather than call me stupid maybe you should watch some of the progressive roundtable discussions of the issues on msnbc. These "difficulties" in criticising the president or lampooning him in the way past presidents have bern lampooned has been openly discussed.
I'd say that the threat of a social "stigma" carried by any attack towards Obama, being branded as anything near as racist, isn't the most important drive of the MSM agenda (except from Fox News).
I'm not disputing any hypothesis, that left/left-centrist MSM have imposed extra vigilant laws upon themselves regarding any avoidance of controversy, since they do lead the way in the ultra liberal democratic parade, but, I suspect that the real and most important reason for never questioning the Commander in Chief, is one of self presrvation.
By self preservation I of course mean presrvation of the perpetual cronyism through governmental revolving doors and lobby favouritism, since many MSM parent companies also enjoy the ample teat which provides the generous largess vis-a-vis government subsidies, made even more generous in a Post - Patriot Act inception America, which very gradually and discretely managed to transform America into a more "soft" Guantánamo.
It's simple: The MSM is owned and controlled by the same ones who "own" the politicians, the corporations, the banks, and the military...the media is the PR arm for the New World Order, whether all of them know it or not.
Military spending: Sacrosanct
Let me be clear, Mr. Obama....you are a traitor and a NWO puppet!
This is an act of treason-- a crime against the US citizen. Members of congress and the white house just waged war upon their own citizens.
ter·ror·ismnoun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. Who is the terrorist and how do you define terrorism? Sounds like the NDAA with this utter disregard for the Constitution.
the last line of defense is your local oath keepers Sheriff Andy Taylor and Deputy Barney Fife, could be our best defense in routing the federals, support your local sheriff.
Absolutely.
In the small towns of arkansas the majority of the police and the democratically elected sheriff are with the people. Of course there is some minor corruption and influence peddling.
Our sherrif hangs out with the good ole boys at the local gunshop. Gives great advice on assault style weapons.
Bill and Hillary Clinton got their political starts in Arkansas. I'm not comforted.
Like hell!
I'm not counting on any local government toadie or hick sheriff to rescue this dying republic. When push comes to shove they all fall in line, and obediently take orders from their masters in D.C. and N.Y.C.
And what do you do when your former sheriff(Nugent) votes Yes on this? Touted as a strict Conservative, I voted for him, now look at this mess...
How to take over the world in 4 easy steps:
Step 1: Declare a (fake) War on Terror, calling it an existential threat to freedom and the nation. Some minor liberties must be surrendered to aid the battle.
Step 2: Identify a (fake) shadowy group (al qaeda) as the main enemy, whose primary goal is to destroy our freedoms, as it causes them to experience tremendous hatred. Additional small concessions to tyranny also ceded in the ongoing struggle to protect America's greatest legacy: Liberty.
Step 3: Create a (fake) state-controlled apparatus (Homeland Security) with all-encompassing powers to be the frontline defender of freedom. Near-gulag is now reality as the cost of preserving freedom rises to stifling new levels. America's under-utilized population of sociopathic morons give up their idyllic trailer-park lifestyles to assist the nation in its struggle, selflessly groping travelers' genitalia as a full-time occupation. Law enforcement actively begins recruiting personnel eager to play out their sadistic power fantasies.
Step 4: Last remaining rights of the People of the United States are removed via Congressional legislation. US jails and FEMA camps at full capacity as millions of Americans are incarcerated for a wide variety of anti-government activities, from tax refusal to thought crimes. War on terror ends. Actual terrorists exit the Capitol building, Armani-suited arms held high in victory, their limousines waiting.
Suddenly, a shot rings out . . . . .
Yes, here is the blueprint they are following almost word for word.
http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm
Fifth step is V for Vendetta style revolutionist blowing everything?
Fifth step is V for Vendetta style revolutionist blowing everything?
That's coming. It will be a false flag attack at which point they will bring in marshall law activate the camps and seize guns.
This might look like some kind of microscopic organism, but it’s actually a high-speed photograph of a nuclear explosion. It was captured less than 1 millisecond after the detonation using a rapatronic camera, which is capable of exposure times as brief as 10 nanoseconds (one nanosecond is one billionth of a second). The photograph was shot from roughly 7 miles away during the Tumbler-Snapper tests in Nevada (1952). The fireball is roughly 20 meters in diameter, and three times hotter than the surface of the sun.
http://www.petapixel.com/2011/12/09/photo-of-a-nuclear-explosion-less-th...
That insane movie with Bruce Willis playing a military general gone nuts, blowing away his fellow Americans with his army, is just about here now. Except in this reality show, Bruce is the perceived hero, not the villian.
Is there any doubt in the world now why Iran requires nuclear weapons? Doh!
the weirdest thing...after reading 7 pages of ZH comments...my nuts always itch...?
Our elected representatives have truly fucked us over just in time for Christmas. Now I am getting really angry whenever I hear stupid XMas songs and commercials ad nauseum. Merry fucking Christmas my ass.
I can relate. I am one of those Christmas fanatics....my kids make fun of me b/c I love all aspects and activities of the holiday so much. But this year it has been hard to feel celebratory. I feel like I am living in parallel universes when I listen to Christmas music, which I usually love. The worst moment came when I was driving and the song "Grown Up Christmas List" came on...I literally wept at the truth of it. Listen to it sometime....it's the only song that's applicable this year.
But I am going to fight those feelings....I refuse to let the evilmongers take all that is sacred and good from me....they can't steal my soul, or my faith.
Difficult times, for sure....try to keep your head up! Don't give them the satisfaction!
"God is in the rain"
I'm actually an agnostic but I feel this was appropriate. Keep your head up brother!
I Got Worms: You need to show Hugh G Rections' post along with ours to the folks!
Me 'n my husband are both 'baby boomers' (husband is honorably discharged Navy Vietnam Vet) and we get on our friend's azzes all the time. One guy is a retired game warden from California, has a pretty good pension and won't even REGISTER to f&*kn' vote so we completely understand where you're coming from.
No, we're not conspiracy theorists, more like realists and even husband's 90 year old aunt and uncle think as we do and they lived through and participated in WWII so they know damn well WTF is going on in this country with our corrupt Congress and the last couple of administrations is WRONG!
Peace Out!
Good thing that the bill was not cut too much. $662B may not be enough.
TRAITORS!
Commie Bastards!
Uh, no. This is not communism we're looking at here, it's naked fascism.
And I'm curious about your account. You've been a member for one year and two weeks, but your first post was 4 days ago, dealing with the Iran drone story. Why is that? Are sleepers required to wait a year before posting?
I love that "it's no longer constitutional" line....since when did they start referencing the Constitution, and how can something magically become unconstitutional all of a sudden? I guess that is the relative truth universe in which we all have been foisted.
Besides...bestiality? For the troops? Wow.....just wow! Well, I certainly will sleep better at night knowing that our troops will no longer be courtmarshalled for his "relationship" with that Middle Eastern goat! Twilight zone stuff, really!
Congratulations America....you are all suspected terrorists now, but your troops can legally screw the flock!
Clearing the decks for the war.
In this war civil populations will be traded.
i.e. If we can get x, just how many million 'civilian' 'merkins, are we prepared to trade, to get that sort of outcome?
In other words, this is total militarization - or mobilization
i.e. there are no civilians now, you're all the military's cannon-fodder at this point, as they can do anything they want with you.
In other words, they can force you to do anything, things that kill you, just like the military does to the military already.
'Civil' law and order are just fig-leaf pretenses at this point.
You're militarized - you just got drafted - and you now have to follow orders - or you will be beaten, tortured, sent to slave labour, put in solitary, or shot.
Yeah, that bit's still coming, it will just take few more years for that to settle in.
The Angels - Walking to Babylon
We are into total feudality in the USA, political power structure wise, ideologically, financial power wise and now legally.
Guantanamo Bay is Montsegur of that age, and the Congressional ACT is the confirmation of INQUISITION mind set. This addition to the existing PAtriot's ACT is like decision of LAtran IV after LATRAN III Papal conclaves; it was in LAtran IV where the official seeds for the Inquistion and ideological intolerance of "free will" were first planted in the Christian world. WHat "God wills it" started by preaching the Crusades relative to the Infidel in Holy Land (in reality local patriots fighting for his own lands by all subsequent standards), and what LAtran III then extended by defining the Cathars as heretics, the Inquisition installed by LAtran IV would nail down for the ages against its OWN nominally christian but non papal theology inclined people. We are there. In the country of democracy free will is now dead. You have to PROVE you are not sympathetic to the NEW INFIDEL aka Al Qaeda. Burden of proof on you now! Just like then. And the judges have already decided where your sympathy lies whatever your arguments.
Its called human progress...
Guantanamo para siempre!
The End of The Bill of Rights House.gov must read
Is it because they hate our freedoms?
Comrades Amerikkans. On belalf of my fuhrer Lukashenko, i congratulate you on your progress to turn your country into a concentration camp, just like Belarusian Soviet Socialistic Rebuplic of modern days.
P.S. Kruschev said "We will bury you!". He never would have guessed that you don't really need an outside help to bury yourselves. Good job, well done!
I'm in Australia, you Americans enjoy your bankruptcy and tyranny. Enjoy getting groped as well.
LOL
Your tyranny is right behind ours, mate.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/justice-peter-mcclellan-calls-for-cou...
Top judge says evidence too complicated in criminal trials
Trials without juries "far less time consuming"
Also, wave to our "visiting" troops
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/us-troops-headed-to-aus...
The Obama administration announced plans Wednesday to establish a permanent military presence in Australia.....
Ignore him UV, it's having a troll to get a rise.
Check it's bio, it's a link reference to Mormanism, but I wouldn't click on it though, the tracking cookies can be read by other sites ... if you know what I mean ...
I would not accept it's in Australia either, just because it claims it is.
All things considered, there are a number of people who will feel that "That would never happen in (Insert destination/country here)."
Problem is, the more you look into various destinations, even those recommended by Mr. Sovereign Man (LOL), there appears to be no place left to run.
You know, the NWO want it to be "one world".
The basic problem with that aim is; it already is one world, and it always has been.
What the NWO wants is not that - that's the very last thing they want.
But what does the world want?
The NWO wants it to want what the NWO wants it to want.
And that's why this is really a war for the inner, the core of a man or woman.
So that is where they attack us.
Where you are does not matter, you either stand alone, or you fall in line - inside.
This sort of bill is to control our core, via fear and pain.
It has already failed.
@Uber Vandal You're absolutley right, there is no place to run. There is only one option left: It is to push forward away from the wall!
Anywhere you go. You will be either a subject of American policy, or a subject to American policy.
I faintly remember heaing that Australia has had internet censorship.
And now you have US military presence in your land, not to mention carbon taxes!
Don't gloat too much...the NWO doesn't exclude Australia.
And why be so smug instead of sympathetic? Why gloat another's demise?
Play nice, or go away!
Careful Tyler - there is a list somewhere with your (real) name on it.
This bill came just in time for the Occupy Wall St. Protesters.
Land of the Free Home of the Brave...
Land of the fleeced home of the slave.
STOP PRESS....
From Red Square, Moscow:
Guards at Lenin's Mausoleum report - as yet unconfirmed - that what appears to be a tear of joy discovered rolling down the Old Bolshevic's left cheek.....
And this just in: Mysterious tremblings reported in vicinity of Kremlin Wall where Stalin interrred....
Clack....Clack....Clack....
Many Henry Bowmans will come into the limelight if Obama signs this!!!
Here is the list of the dirty rotten traitorous congress critters that voted for the evil wicked detention bill. This govt has now declared war on you all!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-375
How does it feel sheeple to have your own govt declare war on you? You are now the enemy of this tyrannous evil govt.
Everyone should make this link go viral now. It is time to declare war on these evil things that are taking this country to the hell it is fast headed to.
Here is the other link to the traitorous senate toads that voted for this tyrannous treasonous Detention Bill.:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2011-218
IT IS PAST DAM TIME TO RECALL AND IMPEACH THESE EVIL THINGS THAT MAKE THESE EVIL LAWS AND CONTINUE TO FUND WARS FOR ISREAL AND THE ROTHSCHILDS THAT CREATED THEM. WAR DOES AMERICA NO GOOD!
Here are links to get you started. Make them pay now, not later.
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16581
http://www.ehow.com/how_2096900_recall-us-senator.html
http://www.impeachcongress.org/
Stand up NOW america, or face your certain death at the hands of your own military.
Our death has always been certain, why speed it up?
They are in the process of failing, and they don't even know it.
How about we let them.
And when they do, we just don't feed them, or give them shelter, or a place in our civilization, we banish them to places that can not support human life, and let critters eat their bones.
Just reject them, and be at peace.
Don't allow them to create a war inside you - that's what they feed on.
If they want to fail, we just help them.
Thanks for the links...I really didn't want to look.
One thing stood out glaringly: In my state of TX, one courageous name stood out in RED amongst all the blue traitorous names....that would be RON PAUL, of course!
It is probably because of BS like this, that most people on this planet think that ALL Americans are COMPLETE morons.
The United states of America, the greatest country in the world.
How would you know? Most of you have never been anywhere else to know! You don't even have a health care system!
Oh, but all that is going to change soon. Simon Black is going to save you all!
Guys, you top only the Germans in their complete stupidity!
Sheeple! Baaaah!
Looks like the Christmas Crash is on.
Trending right now
Hit Man
How to turn politicians and bankers into fertilizer
Truly staggering interview:
Egypt is the camel's ass.....the Nile her slimy twat ! Terrorist bloodthirsty fleas......drop by to sip and squat ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Ode To The Arab Spring !
Defense bill includes funding to check the Russian's "Syrian Strategy" ! First we have to figure out what their brilliant "Syrian Strategy" is ? We're not sure even they know at this point in "Bush's Rout On Terror" ! If the Russian's were smarter....they never would have been seduced by Communism ? Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Pulling No Punches !
All Al qaeda has to do now is flood the nation with phone calls leaving cryptic messages on randon phones. Law enforcement will be busy tracking down American citizens while they sneak in a back door caused by the confusion they create.
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!
Thanks to Lawrence of Arabia for cutting off cheap oil to the bloodthirsty Turks and their "Genocide-of-the-Month" plan ! Go Kurds ! Go Armenians ! Go Jews ! Go Coptic Christians ! UNESCO to re-populate overthrown terrorist states with their Christian and Jewish minorities ! Terrorist oil will be embargoed and sold to pay relocation, restitution and costs of Bush's Rout Of Terror ! Allied taxpayers to be made whole ! All terror victims and fallen warriors families to join class action suit for double indemnification plus "legal fleas" ! Wake up, Monedas ! 2011 Comedy Jihad Dreams Of A Father ! WW I Gallipoli diversion successful as Turkey loses emirate oil rights in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Kurdestan ! They have never recovered from that catastrophic loss ! They took out their impotent rage by commiting genocide on Armenians ! Kind of like Iranian tantrums in overthrowing foreign embassies ! How sweet their stupidity !
Hitch your wagon to Al Qaeda's star and you'll go far, Rob !
Al Qaeda in Syria in quandary as to what to do, now ! Waiting for orders from Putin and clarification of Russia's brilliant "Syrian Strategy" !
You really don't get it do you?
You will be among the hate speechers they round up.
You really are slow on the draw bub.
one of the first things is to find out how your rep voted, and don't vote for him.
I hate cruelty, stupidity and needless suffering ! I'm an open book ! I also happen to be a National and World Class Treasure in my spare time ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Milk Of Human Kindness With Balls....That's All ! I want to see Muslims take their heads out of their asses and catch the fuck up......they're 1000 years behind in the tolerancy game !
We have a contract with Cuba for the Guantanamo base ! I believe both parties should honor that agreement !
hey tyler do a social service and prunt the voting record by state
It is indeed a sad day, but we should not fear the bastards. The Author of Life is the only One that should be feared: The One that has the power to completely destroy those who opposes Him, both physically and spiritually. Therefore, let us not fear these mortal Demon-filled men, but let's rather enclothe ourselves with immortality! Be sober, be sure of your calling and be ready to do your duty when He calls on you. The Sons of God, the True and Living God, will once again be revealed... nothing will pluck us out of His hand or separate us from the love He has for us, EVER! Brothers, forward towards Liberty and Justice without looking back! Today is the day of salvation! Let's be bold in our good race! Our Father is a Consuming Fire and He will unleash His vengeance upon the face of the earth, once again! Let us trust Him and Him alone, let's allow Him to do works of power through us.
Nice speech. You're a terrorist.
CLANK!
Exactly, because I oppose tyranny.
Thomas Paine...The Crisis:
December 23, 1776
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.
If the US catches China on the cyber attack I guess this means they will arrest and detain the Chinese government, no?