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"Guantánamo Forever?" - Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA

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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:32 | 1981468 Rynak
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If someone is so pissed, then why doesn't he recognize that:

regardless of what "everyone else does"...

- YOU still have power over your immediate useful possessions (excluding land). I'm NOT talking about PMs and stuff. I'm talking about stuff DIRECTLY useful to you.

- YOU still have power over where you live, given a low wealth buffer, and willingness to compromise.

- YOU still have power over what you consume, given enough time and will to research

- YOU still have power to form your own secret communities, unpenetrable by your enemies, if only you have the time and will to do the sufficient research, and apply reasonable restraint regarding what you let the outside world know.

Bottom line: If your goal is "to change the world", then yes you may be dissatisfied. And not to seem mean, but if you expect anything else, who the hell do you think you are? You for now have the power and given enough effort, the ressources to design your direct personal trusted environent however you like.

Are you capable of using the potential of that? If not, what kind of overkill expectations do you have regarding changing more than that, if you cannot even design your immediate life as you want?

Disclaimer: Contrary to both camps, i demand no power at all regarding me changing the world, beyond the pratical stuff i myself do in my life. Actually, i do not even think that i can "demand" the survival of the human species. All i may demand is, that i and those whom i collaborate with, get a fair chance, just as everyone else who chooses to live beyond the mindset of a sheeple. A real civilization-wide change, CANNOT be done just at the command of a handful of people - not even the elite. The current popular mindset has centuries of cultural history.... even the influential elite can - absent people changing themselves - just direct and shape it. Not even they have a magic wand.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:20 | 1981677 nmewn
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"Bottom line: If your goal is "to change the world", then yes you may be dissatisfied. And not to seem mean, but if you expect anything else, who the hell do you think you are? You for now have the power and given enough effort, the ressources to design your direct personal trusted environent however you like."

I believe I have to the extent I can. However, no man is an island. I moved away from the city around twenty years ago. And no, speaking honestly, from the heart is not being "mean" Rynak. Its respected here.

My frustration is the same as Conrad's to a large degree.

If the people around me don't desire to be free, to live free, I can't live with them. I recognized this a long time ago in myself. My idea of freedom was apparently different from those around me.

It didn't involve traffic cameras and Gestapo style traffic check points, lawn sprinkling bans for water I paid for, nosy neighbors spying on each other out of spite or envy, permit applications to ask permission/consent on what color to paint the very house I paid taxes on etc.

It was like revenge of the nerds...lol...the preppy little rich kids became the pencil pushing regulators who passed down the laws to the thick necked jocks who barely managed to pass the psych test to become cops. I can tell you...and you must have observed this as well...its a pretty low standard for both of those jobs in regulation and enforcement...lol.

Point being...all we can hope to do at this point is educate the uninformed about freedom and the consequences of giving it away so freely on so many levels.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:56 | 1982000 Rynak
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It was like revenge of the nerds...lol...the preppy little rich kids became the pencil pushing regulators who passed down the laws to the thick necked jocks who barely managed to pass the psych test to become cops. I can tell you...and you must have observed this as well...its a pretty low standard for both of those jobs in regulation and enforcement...lol.

I did. And to be honest, i was faced with the decision of "language barrier" versus "compromising really hard, learning to filter really hard, working to selfsustain one's own life without employers really hard.... so that i may get a fraction of the group of few but trustworthy and "souldbound" friends, plus something like a low- to middleclass lifestyle that i can sustain myself".

The second option was much harder, and at the risk of appearing arrogant, unfair regarding what i'd deserve, but more importantly, way below the potential that i COULD use to further own personal projects (commercial as well as noncommercial).

I personally did opt for the harder option, because the "language barrier" was more important to me, than probably most others - it's not that i'm untalented at languages - actually, i started to learn english as a foreign language at the age of 5, out of own interest without encouragement of my parents. However, "expression" personally to me is something very important - and so i opted for the harder way. Though, at the age where i am now, my language abilities have almost someway equalized (by now, i in chats with close friends arbitrarily switch between german and english, depending on what seems more efficient for a set of sentences) - so maybe i should rethink that decision

But i'm drifting way off with personal matters, that have increasingly less to do with your post.

In the case of the USA, i'd guess even very capable people have it quite hard. I mean, even though germany may be shit (yes, i know, totally opposite to common opinion - but let me just say: the zombie syndrome applies everywhere - just in some countries more than others), despite of this americans in the current age, are in an especially shitty situation.

Please do not take this as a "safe" advice, simply because i know shit about the circumstances and details of your life - BUT: If you current location offers an exceptionally low yield, regarding what you want - not just regarding people, but also regarding atmosphere and "culture" - MOVE to some better place!

I've done it on the "middle scale" (not cross country, but almost). And after just a few years, i never ever wanted to go back again to that "slump" of hopelessnes and absence of any personal chances alltogether. I'm not specifically talking about "career" (fuck, if it were about them, they'll make you move every year anyways). I'm talking about a place where you personally even remotely feel halfway home, and/or have likeminded people. If there are no special circumstances regarding your life, DO IT - just make sure to inform yourself before doing it -at best, getting some "boots on the grounds", before doing it. But don't stay stuck in a location, that is stagnation to your personal life and agenda.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:50 | 1982527 nmewn
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On the language barrier. You're right, for whatever reason, here, a barely intelligible Cockney British accent is accepted better than Romanian or German. Hell, we have entire info-mercials here where the huckster tries to sell his wares and is apparently successful using this accent alone. The stuff is junk but people eat it up because of the salesman...lol.

But this is one of the reasons why wealth accumulation and preservation is so important.

It affords one mobility. You can pick up and move. If there are laws restricting your God given right to mobility it allows you to bribe your way through (if necessary). On a deeper level, this is no doubt a reason or at least a useful consequence for hideously high taxation and cost living. It keeps the poor & lower-middle class in one spot and dependant on the state.

A cage with gold colored bars is still a cage ;-)

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:14 | 1981644 DaveyJones
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like any incestuous, inbred, dyslexic, idiot savant family

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:45 | 1981787 nmewn
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Its amazing looking back on the arguments made here over the last several years.

People came on here and actually argued for more state empowerment. I'm sure, for many of those people, it had to do with their paycheck. But thats self interest. Isn't that enslavement of the many (by taxation) for the benefit of the few? Now there is still more of it.

It is Us and Them.

It always has been.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with viewing any type of government as a potential adversary. A necessary beast that must be controlled. That duty falls to us if we're going to have it at all.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:25 | 1981940 CH1
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It is Us and Them. It always has been.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:32 | 1982228 Cathartes Aura
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ready to stop the voting game yet?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:05 | 1982344 CompassionateFascist
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NO. Ron Paul can split the Repub vote, throw the election via EC to Obama w <than 45% of the vote. Existential political crisis + economic collapse = civil war. Which we will win.  

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:12 | 1981427 Eally Ucked
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I know you're pissed off as I am, that's why maybe you don't see the message,  but that was one GIANT sarcasm, in my mind. Sometimes you don't have to do "/sarc" to pass your message.  We are here grown up's and we don't need to explain all those little nuances because if we do it looses the fine taste to it. Maybe I'm mistaken but that's my point 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:28 | 1981490 Rynak
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Thank you.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:07 | 1981120 Seer
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Screwed again by those fucking libtard republicans!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:13 | 1981148 darkaeye
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If you honestly believe this has anything even remotely to do with Republicans vs Democrats, then you deserve this new law.  You might want to put a fresh dressing on those lobotomy incisions.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:21 | 1981176 Seer
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Untwist your panties.  It's sarcasm, as in I finally found an opportunity to lambast the fucking idiots that are constantly running around tossing around "libtard."  This shows what fucking BS it all is- got it? (there's no right-side up [all we get is upside down])

FYI - I don't fucking vote.  I have no affiliation with ANY party.  I am, opposed to ALL govts.  So, you see, Mr. Quick to Jump, I'm no Party Pussy (and I have no lobotomy incisions).

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:50 | 1981341 darkaeye
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Sorry about that.  Didn't see the sarc flag.

I'm totally with you on your entire response. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:20 | 1981186 goodrich4bk
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The "remote" connection is that while Dems were evenly split, Repubs overwhelmingly supported this law 4 to 1.

So while I agree that the D v R sideshow is solely for our lobotomized entertainment, I think the criticism of the Repub "actors" in this farce is legitimate.  I mean, if their chosen role is that of "freedom lovers", you'd think more of them would find it difficult to line up as they did.

Fascists all of them, but Repubs quite a bit more so.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:46 | 1981310 Rynak
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as i understand it - in the land of US of assholes:

R: Full frontal assholery, dressed as introverted egomaniac power

L: Indirect and subtle assholery, dressed as extroverted exomaniac "compassion"

Or in short, pimp-marketing vs. whore-marketing.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:11 | 1981430 nmewn
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:27 | 1981702 DaveyJones
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or this family affair


with actors faking sacred relationships and a country that dies too young from more than one overdose 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:14 | 1981647 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's not even that complicated.

R: Power hungry psychopaths and the pitcher takes his at-bats.

D: Power hungry psychopaths with a designated hitter.


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:32 | 1981201 Seer
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So, this just goes to show you the pile of hipcrytes here.  Use "libtard" and "democrat" and you don't get up-arrowed.  Use "libtard" and "republican" and you get blasted!  Losers!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:39 | 1981278 Melin
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big baby....I caught the apt reversal of the normal usage and didn't junk you.  I'll go back and +1 you if that'll help.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:21 | 1981681 pods
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Don't get all pissy, I usually down arrow anyone who THINKS in terms of politics.

As with you, a couple of my favorite quotes:

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."
Emma Goldman

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Claire Wolfe




Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:32 | 1981253 papaswamp
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there is no difference between the parties except rhetoric.....they have practically merged at this point. The Ruling Oligarchy (TRO).

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:23 | 1981693 Former Sheeple
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Two headed beast is still only 1 beast, no????

Que the Deer, that's what I saw in the mirror...sad day, it's drawrng near...

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:43 | 1982136 earnyermoney
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You'll be screwed twice by the Democrats. 1st time comes from the Senate 2nd time comes from O's desk.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:08 | 1981126 HANKREARDON

I knew I should not be using my real name. Damn!  Times like this I am glad that I have skin that is as white as the snow. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:28 | 1981226 youLilQuantFuker
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Ah. A lone wolf. The new new terrorist.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:37 | 1981735 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Hey, haven't you seen the DHS propaganda videos?!  9 times out of 10 the whitey is the terrorist suspect reported to "authorities" by a minority.

Prediction.  This year's "Times Man of the Year" is "the protestor".  Next year the "Times Man of the Year" will show photo of a white militia member and caption will read  "Domestic Terrorist".  Book it.  I know how these demons think. 

"If you see tyranny, say something!"

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:09 | 1981132 blu
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It is always darkest just before it goes completely black.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:10 | 1981136 disabledvet
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If John Corzine diappears only to reappear in Gitmo i won't complain.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:20 | 1981183 hmmmstrange
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What's the phone number to report someone as a terrorist?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:26 | 1981210 FEDbuster
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Wouldn't it be interesting, if everyone ripped off by MFG/Corzine called 911 daily to report a theft until the police showed up to take a report?  Think of the thousands of departments investigating Jon Corzine.  I am thinking of calling it in to Silent Witness.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:42 | 1981298 Rahm
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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:00 | 1981586 WaterWings
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"Hey, Romney haz food storage."

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:16 | 1982196 In Fed We Trust
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Big Sis now hiring Snitches.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:18 | 1981662 In Fed We Trust
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Whats the phone number to check?

With all the helicopters in my air space,
I just figured i was .

It would be good to now before i drop coin for a tix.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:12 | 1981440 kinganuthin
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I wll, that place is coosh compaired to the pens citizens get.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:11 | 1981139 lapedochild
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What recession?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:15 | 1981151 user2011
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Sad.... they spend more money on killing than to save our own people.

I had a dream a couple of nights ago... In my dream, US and Japan were researching an extremely potent virus, capable of wiping out most of the populations. Then some "mishap" happened, the virus got released to the air.

Much of the elderly people were dead and the US budget were saved because of the release of obligations to the social security and medi-care etc....

It was a horrible dream....

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:21 | 1981188 tekhneek
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Sounds strangely reminiscent of 2012.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:24 | 1981204 King_of_simpletons
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It is not a dream. That is the collective consciousness reacting to the shitty events happening around, in you.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:28 | 1981224 Eally Ucked
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What's the difference virus or special health care after cutting entitlements?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:14 | 1981152 Melin
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long canned goods

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:50 | 1981344 MsCreant
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Outing yourself as a terrorist eh? Couldn't stand the pressure and you cracked.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:06 | 1981614 Melin
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actually, that secret was already out if we're going by our rulers' definition of terrorist...I store a terrorist's amount of flour as well...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:55 | 1982029 saiybat
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I hope it's whole grain flour

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:14 | 1981153 apu123
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Are you going to vote Simms Red or Simms Blue?  A reference to "Moon over Parador"

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:15 | 1981160 Lord Welligton
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Dumb fucks.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:16 | 1981162 Seasmoke
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shoot 1st, ask questions 2nd

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