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Consumer Credit Rises As Uncle Sam Funds More Subprime Car And Student Loans; Revolving Credit Drops

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Superficially, it was all smiles following the announcement of the September consumer credit number which rose by $7.4 billion on a seasonally adjusted basis, on expectations of $5.2 billion (and down from the revised $9.7 billion borrowed in August). However a quick look under the surface reveals the same old trickery we have grown to know and love: revolving credit declined by $627 million, while the entire growth was in Non-revolving borrowing, which rose by $8 billion. What does non-revolving credit fund? Why auto loans (read subprime GM car loans) and student loans of course, the latter being the very same loans which even the president now is saying have to be reduced. As for the former, the G.19 now no longer even bother to report such data as Loan to Value, Interest Rates, Maturity and Amount Financed: analysts are left to imagine the best possible outcome. And just to confirm where consumer credit in 2011 has come from, of the $32 billion in credit issued YTD, $89.7 billion of it comes from the US government. The only other positive source of credit in 2011, for the whopping amount of $1 billion are savings institutions. Every other traditional source of credit is now... a drain.

Monthly consumer credit by revolving and non-revolving.

Sources of Credit monthly:

and total YTD:

 


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Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:07 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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So, no liquidity problem then?  I am confused.  Just out of curiosity, was there ever a period in history when the largest part of that graph was actually savings?  In particular, saving of those with currency backed by gold.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:47 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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That's the miracle of the modern financial system.   You can charge interest on debt funded by money created out of thin air (or random electrons).   No need for any REAL money backed by meaningless metals or actually earned by the labor of actual people.  

No real liquidity problem either- as long as money can be created without limits.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:16 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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Probably, before central banks and central bankers.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 17:58 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Can I sell my diplomas and save some starving moron the trouble of getting edicated?

Or is it edijumacated.....

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:01 | Link to Comment deez nutz
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...sell the bastard a Chevy too, he deserves it.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:07 | Link to Comment infinity8
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probably gone in 60 seconds on craigslist.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:02 | Link to Comment mynhair
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" of the $32 billion in credit issued YTD, $89.7 billion of it comes from the US government"

Just luv math.

Pesos for peons!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:17 | Link to Comment MarketTruth
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Can the US Gov go deeper into debt?

YES WE CAN!

Can the US Gov owe more than any other country?

YES WE CAN!

Can the US Gov manipulate interest rates?

NO WE CAN'T (because that job is the privately owned central bankers who of course own the US Gov).. so YES WE CAN!?!?! 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Gross is not net.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:06 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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Almost like in the good old days: Buy a house and get a car for free.

 

 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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Credit? You said It!

No Phone? No Loan!

 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:12 | Link to Comment BennyBoy
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We need more debt! I am manging the world's biggest debt based ponzi, er, monetary system.

I like these numbers: $32 billion in credit issued YTD, $89.7 billion of it comes from the US government.

Now that's credit growth the way Goldman ordered it!

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:14 | Link to Comment youngman
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And Obama will allow defaults on those student loans.....for votes...you just watch...executive order coming up...

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:14 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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Under the new student loan deal, they can pay back $1,000 per year for 20 years and the rest is forgiven -- no matter how big the original loan. So much for responsibility. So much for contract law.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:21 | Link to Comment agent default
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Student loans... the next shoe to drop.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:48 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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obama is going to give them a break on that one and make everyone else pay for it............

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:38 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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I doubt it. There's no way that plan will fly longterm. Education will be sacrificed before SS and other old fuck programs.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:11 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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The whole 'stick taxpayers with student loan' thing was in the Obama-care legislation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Care_and_Education_Reconciliation_Act_of_2010

OB must have figured out that Obama-care's DOA.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:08 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:40 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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if you have a job, we will get you a new car................its biz as usual in the sheepdom.........

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 18:52 | Link to Comment navy62802
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Should I feel guilty as I watch my savings grow and my gold accumulate?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:04 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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this is pretty funny, tho!

i was trying to understand wtf this means when i had this thought:

they do this to geese to make pate, right?

 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:58 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Nearly all "foie gras" is in reality "foie gras de canard" these days. Like over 90%, I think.

But yes - force fed goose/duck = same difference!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 01:05 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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You can make the argument that Foie Gras d'Oie is ever so slightly better...

 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 10:02 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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Pate is mealoaf. But they're eating us alive, that's for sure.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:15 | Link to Comment ThisIsBob
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OK, so who are the players in student loans?  Anybody we know?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:06 | Link to Comment navy62802
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I can name you a big one ... the US government. And SURPRISE!!! They failed miserably once again. Go figure. While there are other pawns in the game, the government is the driving force behind this madness.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:57 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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Not exactly. It's the central banks.

http://www.abjpress.com/htwpage.html

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 01:07 | Link to Comment foofoojin
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McGrawl-Hill. parent company of S and P

Sallie May.  AKA the devil.

 

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:22 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Can I get a subprime loan on an Escalade? My family of four finally has one full time income (wife is teaching at a Catholic school). We have no other debt, and we only eat into our savings a little bit each month to pay for rent, food, health insurance, and other necessities.

I would like to do my part in supporting our economy.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:03 | Link to Comment El Gordo
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Just cut back a little on the cell phone bill and the tats at the family tattoo parlor and it should be no problem to finance that new Caddy.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment itstippy
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Could this type of data delay implementation of the Fed's exit plan?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 20:52 | Link to Comment s2man
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Wait.  Can't I get a sub-prime loan on a Chrysler, too?  Did the gov stop subsidizing them?

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 21:49 | Link to Comment Snakeeyes
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Consumer Credit Rises In September By More Than Reported, But Student Loans and Federal Government Is The Fastest Growing Segment

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/

Look at the charts. If we subtract student loans and subprime gov't loan, CONSUMER CREDIT GROWTH HAS BEEN NEGATIVE SINCE 2009!!!!!!

 

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:55 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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RESIST!

Don'tborrow, don't spend, don't own real estate, don't work, don't pay taxes.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 22:09 | Link to Comment navy62802
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And by the way, student loan debt should be dischargeable in bankruptcy. It is unconscionable to me that legislation was passed making student loan debt non-dischargeable. In fact, your social security benefits will be garnished in order to pay off your outstanding student loans. How about them apples? I wonder who got paid off by the big banks to push that legislation through.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:53 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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...you wouldn't mean the body that makes the laws would you? Congress....?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:05 | Link to Comment Dr. Nancy
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His free video

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Dr. Nancy

 

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:21 | Link to Comment knowless
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:32 | Link to Comment AndrewCostello
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This is typical Americans - they just cannot live within their means and save.  All they know how to do is spend.

When they were asked to pay their mortgages, they walked away and the same will happen with auto loans and student loans.  They will just print more money to cover up the defaults and make the problem bigger and bigger until it all collapses.

 

Get on the winning team.

http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Wealth-Mr-Andrew-Costello/dp/1463523017/ref

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:50 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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Costello:

Read HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS. It IS a plot.

 

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:41 | Link to Comment MSimon
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of the $32 billion in credit issued YTD, $89.7 billion of it comes from the US government.

Bummer. About 3X as much credit issued as asked. 

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 03:18 | Link to Comment Kickaha
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Student loan programs exist solely for the benefit of diploma and certificate mills.  The "schools" get the money and graduate people who have little chance of finding a job.  Hey, learn how to drive the big rigs!  Learn medical transcription!  Go to law school!

Under the pretext of learning a career, the owners of the schools get wealthy, and the banks collect on government loan guarantees, while unemployed graduates drown in a lifetime of unpayable debt.

Getting what looks like free money to go to school eliminates any need to do a personal cost/benefit analysis regarding the project.  Another boondoggle guaranteed to result in a complete misallocation of precious capital.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:48 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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Kickaha:

No, for the central banks and banksters.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 09:51 | Link to Comment happydude
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We’ve had enough of the official mantra: Work more, enjoy less, pollute more, eat toxic foods and suffer illnesses, all for the sake of increasing the GDP. Why not develop ways to work less and enjoy it more; spend more time with our friends and families; consume, pollute, destroy and owe less; and live better, longer and more meaningfully? To do all this, we need fresh solutions that engage America’s people in redefining goals for the economy (what we want from it) as opposed to the economy’s goals (what it demands from us).   An economy based on a high quality of life that makes people happy may sound revolutionary, Thomas Jefferson enshrined the pursuit of happiness  as a human right when he drafted our Declaration of Independence. Jefferson emphasized that America’s government was, “to secure the greatest degree of happiness possible for the general mass of those associated under it.” Likewise, the Constitution of the United States declares that government is to promote, among other things, the general welfare of the people. r u happy yet? 
Thu, 11/10/2011 - 09:47 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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The FED's most recent BANKRUPT AMERICA program.

Tue, 04/10/2012 - 08:32 | Link to Comment leo_21
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